stop overdoing cardio and hit the damn weights!!!

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  • ironanimal
    ironanimal Posts: 5,922 Member
    I love the way some people say the best way to burn more calories is to add more muscle, by lifting weights. Then others say, women don't bulk -- that is, they really do not put on much muscle when they lift.

    Gah! I find myself wondering about this, too. Say if a woman wasn't aware of the impact nutrition could have on her results, decides to exercise by lifting heavy weights but not drop the calories, indeed you only build muscle in a surplus. Couldn't she then get bigger, more shapely muscles, but with the fat over them just appear bulkier? With cardio only they probably just wouldn't by smaller but the look of the muscles would not really change. But when some women say this is their experience they're told to shut up and only the ones who got sexy from lifting can speak. Also when people point out women who've indeed got muscly and ripped from lifting, they're told to shut up and leave those women alone.

    Bulky or not has nothing to do with why I don't lift 140lbs, just thought the information out there can tend to be a bit one sided, and perhaps we let it be since lifting is, after all pretty great for your health

    Here's what you're confusing. If you're eating in a deficit and not lifting, you're losing LBM along with fat. If you're lifting and eating in a deficit you're maintaining as much LBM as you can. You're not gaining muscle, you're maintaining what you have. So yes, it is extremely difficult for a woman to gain muscle mass and/or get bulky, but by lifting you're maining that muscle mass you already have, rather than losing both fat AND muscle.

    It's not necissarily that the best way to burn more calories is to add more mass (as stated, it's really....really hard for a female to put on mass due to testosterone levels), it's to maintain what you've got.

    I think you've addressed a caloric deficit quite well, but what about a surplus? This is evidenced by people on here asking why they're exercising but either gaining weight or losing no weight. Also, the sub 150lb women who gain weight but get smaller would have to have built muscle, regardless of how hard it is, correct? So it makes me wonder if it's really impossible for a woman to feel "big" or "bulky" because although she may have exercising her diet is not entirely in check and the muscles have grown. Or even in other cases what if the muscle does grow or get some definition, but the fat decides not to come off that location at first? I just think there's a bit more to the, "you're stupid, women can't gain muscle" that I usually see in response to people who say weight lifting has made them look or feel bigger
    Addressing improved definition in deficits; when you exercise a muscle, it will retain water post workout to facilitate repair, causing it to appear larger. Now, if you lose fat around it and continue to exercise that muscle, it will remain "larger", and appear leaner, giving the illusion of growing.

    In a surplus, you completely can build muscle, but for women most will be doing very well to put on 2lbs a month of lean mass, due to the limitations of your physiology.

    And finally, if you build muscle at a higher rate than fat, so say you put 8lbs of muscle in 6 months, and 4lbs of fat - by all likelihood you will also look leaner.

    Hope that helps somewhat.
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    I just send them this article:
    http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2011/07/21/meet-staci-your-new-powerlifting-super-hero/

    Seems to help explain most of it.

    staci was MY inspiration to start lifting.
  • LuLuChick78
    LuLuChick78 Posts: 439 Member
    The scale moves slower in a weights-only routine because you burn fewer calories, leading to slower weight loss progress given the same diet.

    I don't know where you got that tidbit of information, but you may want to check your source. Just saying.
  • SezxyStef
    SezxyStef Posts: 15,267 Member
    Lift your weights. I'll do my cardio, but if the zombies start chasing us I'm tripping you.

    Go ahead but when we can "pull ourselves up" over that fence you will wish you had done more then just cardio.
  • SezxyStef
    SezxyStef Posts: 15,267 Member

    You summed it up very nicely :smile:

    Yay for your sister, that's awesome!

    You look fantastic btw :flowerforyou:

    thanks :blushing:

    As others have said I get told about my weight loss all the time...what is funny I just took compare pics I lost more "weight" doing cardio/circut training eating at a deficet but I am "smaller" with only 5lbs gone in 10 weeks from lifting.

    Love body recomp
  • MstngSammy
    MstngSammy Posts: 436 Member
    Lift your weights. I'll do my cardio, but if the zombies start chasing us I'm tripping you.

    Go ahead but when we can "pull ourselves up" over that fence you will wish you had done more then just cardio.

    :drinker:
  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member
    I love the way some people say the best way to burn more calories is to add more muscle, by lifting weights. Then others say, women don't bulk -- that is, they really do not put on much muscle when they lift.

    Gah! I find myself wondering about this, too. Say if a woman wasn't aware of the impact nutrition could have on her results, decides to exercise by lifting heavy weights but not drop the calories, indeed you only build muscle in a surplus. Couldn't she then get bigger, more shapely muscles, but with the fat over them just appear bulkier? With cardio only they probably just wouldn't by smaller but the look of the muscles would not really change. But when some women say this is their experience they're told to shut up and only the ones who got sexy from lifting can speak. Also when people point out women who've indeed got muscly and ripped from lifting, they're told to shut up and leave those women alone.

    Bulky or not has nothing to do with why I don't lift 140lbs, just thought the information out there can tend to be a bit one sided, and perhaps we let it be since lifting is, after all pretty great for your health

    Here's what you're confusing. If you're eating in a deficit and not lifting, you're losing LBM along with fat. If you're lifting and eating in a deficit you're maintaining as much LBM as you can. You're not gaining muscle, you're maintaining what you have. So yes, it is extremely difficult for a woman to gain muscle mass and/or get bulky, but by lifting you're maining that muscle mass you already have, rather than losing both fat AND muscle.

    It's not necissarily that the best way to burn more calories is to add more mass (as stated, it's really....really hard for a female to put on mass due to testosterone levels), it's to maintain what you've got.

    I think you've addressed a caloric deficit quite well, but what about a surplus? This is evidenced by people on here asking why they're exercising but either gaining weight or losing no weight. Also, the sub 150lb women who gain weight but get smaller would have to have built muscle, regardless of how hard it is, correct? So it makes me wonder if it's really impossible for a woman to feel "big" or "bulky" because although she may have exercising her diet is not entirely in check and the muscles have grown. Or even in other cases what if the muscle does grow or get some definition, but the fat decides not to come off that location at first? I just think there's a bit more to the, "you're stupid, women can't gain muscle" that I usually see in response to people who say weight lifting has made them look or feel bigger

    Whey they are exercising and gaining weight can come from multiple sources. Water retention, incorrect caloric burn estimation/eating too much, possibly some noob gains

    A professional body building female would struggle to put on much more than 2lbs of muscle in 4-6 weeks. Unless the 150 lb female is spending the same amount of time a said professional body building female is, the amount of muscle they're going to "pack" on that will actually affect the scale is going to take months, if not years to develop. The other factor against women "bulking" is it takes a fair amount of testosterone. It's hard enough for a male to put on substantial muscle mass with the testosterone levels we have. A woman has 1/10th - 1/16th the level of a male.

    I have a feeling that you are more of a "I'm gonna believe what I want to believe" type and most of this (and other posts) will go out the window.

    EDIT: From the threads I've seen/taken part in most individuals who come on here and state they started exercising and gaining weight are A) Usually in the first week or two and retaining water. B) Overestimating caloric burn and eating in a surplus.
  • Erindolly
    Erindolly Posts: 35 Member
    It is all about a balance--both are good. Believe it or not, cardio also makes your heart healthier. Some of us ladies exercise for both health and fitness. I prefer to do it all.
  • pinkraynedropjacki
    pinkraynedropjacki Posts: 3,027 Member
    Lift your weights. I'll do my cardio, but if the zombies start chasing us I'm tripping you.

    Go ahead but when we can "pull ourselves up" over that fence you will wish you had done more then just cardio.

    I'll be long gone before you get over that fence. You gonna have to stop moving in order to get over it, while I'll just use my ability to outrun to keep going with no chance of being caught.

    I'm all set for zombs.
  • eric_sg61
    eric_sg61 Posts: 2,925 Member
    Lift your weights. I'll do my cardio, but if the zombies start chasing us I'm tripping you.

    Go ahead but when we can "pull ourselves up" over that fence you will wish you had done more then just cardio.

    I'll be long gone before you get over that fence. You gonna have to stop moving in order to get over it, while I'll just use my ability to outrun to keep going with no chance of being caught.

    I'm all set for zombs.
    So your saying the fence is going to magically move out of your way, one way or another your still gonna have to climb over it
  • pinkraynedropjacki
    pinkraynedropjacki Posts: 3,027 Member
    Lift your weights. I'll do my cardio, but if the zombies start chasing us I'm tripping you.

    Go ahead but when we can "pull ourselves up" over that fence you will wish you had done more then just cardio.

    I'll be long gone before you get over that fence. You gonna have to stop moving in order to get over it, while I'll just use my ability to outrun to keep going with no chance of being caught.

    I'm all set for zombs.
    So your saying the fence is going to magically move out of your way, one way or another your still gonna have to climb over it

    Fences do have an end to it & if you have backed yourself into a corner with zombs chasing you...stopping to climb a fence is NOT going to save you.
  • pavrg
    pavrg Posts: 277 Member
    The scale moves slower in a weights-only routine because you burn fewer calories, leading to slower weight loss progress given the same diet.

    I don't know where you got that tidbit of information, but you may want to check your source. Just saying.
    My source is fine. You will not burn the same amount of calories at full exertion strength training that you will for doing cardio given the same workout time.

    I'd be lucky to burn 250 calories in an hour long weight workout, if I were to run for that same hour I would burn 1000 calories, or at 4x the rate of weight training. While running for an hour is fairly intense and unreasonable, running for 20-30 minutes is not and still burns double the amount of calories as weight training. Don't say something stupid in return like "well if you actually lifted heavy weights" without knowing my routine, either.

    I lift weights, and I run. I have no skin in the fight of whether one should embark on a weights or cardio only routine. But I recognize what the advantage of each type of exercise is and what they are useful for. If you are looking to drop weight and can't go through the day eating 400-500 calorie meals, then cardio is your most efficient way to keep the net calories down.

    Disclaimer: Doing p90x or zumba with 5-10 lb dumbbells and resistance bands counts as cardio, not strength training.
  • sierra_12
    sierra_12 Posts: 249 Member
    another thread with this same topic...really? okay, I'm in lol
  • eric_sg61
    eric_sg61 Posts: 2,925 Member
    Lift your weights. I'll do my cardio, but if the zombies start chasing us I'm tripping you.

    Go ahead but when we can "pull ourselves up" over that fence you will wish you had done more then just cardio.

    I'll be long gone before you get over that fence. You gonna have to stop moving in order to get over it, while I'll just use my ability to outrun to keep going with no chance of being caught.

    I'm all set for zombs.
    So your saying the fence is going to magically move out of your way, one way or another your still gonna have to climb over it

    Fences do have an end to it & if you have backed yourself into a corner with zombs chasing you...stopping to climb a fence is NOT going to save you.
    The end of that fence could be miles and miles away. While your trying to find the end by running along the fence the zombies are getting closer and closer, while we are over the fence already safe and having drinks laughing at the runner
  • pinkraynedropjacki
    pinkraynedropjacki Posts: 3,027 Member
    Lift your weights. I'll do my cardio, but if the zombies start chasing us I'm tripping you.

    Go ahead but when we can "pull ourselves up" over that fence you will wish you had done more then just cardio.

    I'll be long gone before you get over that fence. You gonna have to stop moving in order to get over it, while I'll just use my ability to outrun to keep going with no chance of being caught.

    I'm all set for zombs.
    So your saying the fence is going to magically move out of your way, one way or another your still gonna have to climb over it

    Fences do have an end to it & if you have backed yourself into a corner with zombs chasing you...stopping to climb a fence is NOT going to save you.
    The end of that fence could be miles and miles away. While your trying to find the end by running along the fence the zombies are getting closer and closer, while we are over the fence already safe and having drinks laughing at the runner

    Miles is nothing to a runner who has done cardio. Zombs are not fast, they shamble at best. I'm already gone by the time you get to the fence. I'm not heading towards a fence in the 1st place. Wonder how you are having drinks though. I'm busy surviving nicely. If you can still see me then that means you are not past that fence cause you have used all your 'strength' up to get over the fence & you are still gonna have to run. Haha
  • WhataBroad
    WhataBroad Posts: 1,091 Member
    Lift your weights. I'll do my cardio, but if the zombies start chasing us I'm tripping you.

    Go ahead but when we can "pull ourselves up" over that fence you will wish you had done more then just cardio.

    I'll be long gone before you get over that fence. You gonna have to stop moving in order to get over it, while I'll just use my ability to outrun to keep going with no chance of being caught.

    I'm all set for zombs.
    So your saying the fence is going to magically move out of your way, one way or another your still gonna have to climb over it

    Fences do have an end to it & if you have backed yourself into a corner with zombs chasing you...stopping to climb a fence is NOT going to save you.
    The end of that fence could be miles and miles away. While your trying to find the end by running along the fence the zombies are getting closer and closer, while we are over the fence already safe and having drinks laughing at the runner

    Miles is nothing to a runner who has done cardio. Zombs are not fast, they shamble at best. I'm already gone by the time you get to the fence. I'm not heading towards a fence in the 1st place. Wonder how you are having drinks though. I'm busy surviving nicely. If you can still see me then that means you are not past that fence cause you have used all your 'strength' up to get over the fence & you are still gonna have to run. Haha

    :huh: Sht got really weird
  • Carnivor0us
    Carnivor0us Posts: 1,752 Member
    i understand cardio is important(depending on what kind you're doing), but where are women getting the idea that lifting weights will make them aminly and bulky from? for the ladies that do lift...can you PLEASE share with us how lifting weights have made a difference to your physique and health?

    The title of this post and the content don't really 'jive'.

    If you want to tell women that lifting weights won't likely turn them into hulk monsters, okay, that's cool.

    But there's no one MFPer. Different people have different goals, abilities, lifestyles and tastes. There's really no "one size fits all" and there's no need to try to control anyone else.

    I don't lift because I don't like it and I'd prefer using my own resistance.

    I'm perfectly fine with the fact that you won't be attracted to me.

    The content and the title jive just fine - he said to stop OVERdoing cardio, not completely STOP cardio...
  • Carnivor0us
    Carnivor0us Posts: 1,752 Member
    Lift your weights. I'll do my cardio, but if the zombies start chasing us I'm tripping you.

    Go ahead but when we can "pull ourselves up" over that fence you will wish you had done more then just cardio.

    I'll be long gone before you get over that fence. You gonna have to stop moving in order to get over it, while I'll just use my ability to outrun to keep going with no chance of being caught.

    I'm all set for zombs.
    So your saying the fence is going to magically move out of your way, one way or another your still gonna have to climb over it

    Fences do have an end to it & if you have backed yourself into a corner with zombs chasing you...stopping to climb a fence is NOT going to save you.
    The end of that fence could be miles and miles away. While your trying to find the end by running along the fence the zombies are getting closer and closer, while we are over the fence already safe and having drinks laughing at the runner

    Miles is nothing to a runner who has done cardio. Zombs are not fast, they shamble at best. I'm already gone by the time you get to the fence. I'm not heading towards a fence in the 1st place. Wonder how you are having drinks though. I'm busy surviving nicely. If you can still see me then that means you are not past that fence cause you have used all your 'strength' up to get over the fence & you are still gonna have to run. Haha

    Don't forget us velociraptors!
  • The_WoIverine
    The_WoIverine Posts: 367 Member
    I love weights, I love cardio, I do both and I'm happy with my athletic performance. To tell someone to stop doing some form of exercising to do another, just because the person saying so prefers it is kind of ridiculous. I'd never tell anyone what to, especially if is working for them.

    Instead, I prefer to direct my energy to promote exercising in general to those who are sedentary and not try to change those who aren't. Then again, that's just the way I am.
  • bepeejaye
    bepeejaye Posts: 775 Member
    Uhm....Zombie stories? Now how did those find their way here?
  • MelodyandBarbells
    MelodyandBarbells Posts: 7,724 Member
    I love the way some people say the best way to burn more calories is to add more muscle, by lifting weights. Then others say, women don't bulk -- that is, they really do not put on much muscle when they lift.

    Gah! I find myself wondering about this, too. Say if a woman wasn't aware of the impact nutrition could have on her results, decides to exercise by lifting heavy weights but not drop the calories, indeed you only build muscle in a surplus. Couldn't she then get bigger, more shapely muscles, but with the fat over them just appear bulkier? With cardio only they probably just wouldn't by smaller but the look of the muscles would not really change. But when some women say this is their experience they're told to shut up and only the ones who got sexy from lifting can speak. Also when people point out women who've indeed got muscly and ripped from lifting, they're told to shut up and leave those women alone.

    Bulky or not has nothing to do with why I don't lift 140lbs, just thought the information out there can tend to be a bit one sided, and perhaps we let it be since lifting is, after all pretty great for your health

    Here's what you're confusing. If you're eating in a deficit and not lifting, you're losing LBM along with fat. If you're lifting and eating in a deficit you're maintaining as much LBM as you can. You're not gaining muscle, you're maintaining what you have. So yes, it is extremely difficult for a woman to gain muscle mass and/or get bulky, but by lifting you're maining that muscle mass you already have, rather than losing both fat AND muscle.

    It's not necissarily that the best way to burn more calories is to add more mass (as stated, it's really....really hard for a female to put on mass due to testosterone levels), it's to maintain what you've got.

    I think you've addressed a caloric deficit quite well, but what about a surplus? This is evidenced by people on here asking why they're exercising but either gaining weight or losing no weight. Also, the sub 150lb women who gain weight but get smaller would have to have built muscle, regardless of how hard it is, correct? So it makes me wonder if it's really impossible for a woman to feel "big" or "bulky" because although she may have exercising her diet is not entirely in check and the muscles have grown. Or even in other cases what if the muscle does grow or get some definition, but the fat decides not to come off that location at first? I just think there's a bit more to the, "you're stupid, women can't gain muscle" that I usually see in response to people who say weight lifting has made them look or feel bigger

    Whey they are exercising and gaining weight can come from multiple sources. Water retention, incorrect caloric burn estimation/eating too much, possibly some noob gains

    A professional body building female would struggle to put on much more than 2lbs of muscle in 4-6 weeks. Unless the 150 lb female is spending the same amount of time a said professional body building female is, the amount of muscle they're going to "pack" on that will actually affect the scale is going to take months, if not years to develop. The other factor against women "bulking" is it takes a fair amount of testosterone. It's hard enough for a male to put on substantial muscle mass with the testosterone levels we have. A woman has 1/10th - 1/16th the level of a male.

    I have a feeling that you are more of a "I'm gonna believe what I want to believe" type and most of this (and other posts) will go out the window.

    EDIT: From the threads I've seen/taken part in most individuals who come on here and state they started exercising and gaining weight are A) Usually in the first week or two and retaining water. B) Overestimating caloric burn and eating in a surplus.

    For the third time, yes!, B: the people eating at a surplus and potentially gaining muscle! Interesting how you've only had that light bulb go off in your head now that it was your idea. And please try not to prejudge me or insinuate that I'm unreasonable just because I do not agree with you. Did you ever stop to think that the idea of women not gaining muscle was so ingrained in *your* mind that you couldn't see any other scenarios? Many of those popping in to ask questions may have only worked out for two weeks but I didn't necessarily refer to time. People have put months into weights and decided they didn't like the outcome. I just think there could sometimes be some legitimacy to their perception of what they looked like under the right circumstances, including not realizing that they still have to lower or watch their food intake despite working out
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    It would take close to a year for a woman to put on enough muscle to actually become bigger, without testosterone supplements. The women who come on here and claim that they put on tons of muscle just by looking at a barbell are generally dealing with a body dysmorphic issue in their head, not reality.
  • DudeistPriest
    DudeistPriest Posts: 665 Member
    Uhm....Zombie stories? Now how did those find their way here?
    Some @as referenced the film Zombieland wherein they say the first rule to surviving the zombie apocalypse is "cardio".
    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=zombieland+rules&id=44AC92195409269E6B25339291442602A196C792&FORM=IQFRBA#view=detail&id=E7ABA463C181429DE9AB0635875565C92075FDF8&selectedIndex=3
  • pinkraynedropjacki
    pinkraynedropjacki Posts: 3,027 Member
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  • MelodyandBarbells
    MelodyandBarbells Posts: 7,724 Member
    It would take close to a year for a woman to put on enough muscle to actually become bigger, without testosterone supplements. The women who come on here and claim that they put on tons of muscle just by looking at a barbell are generally dealing with a body dysmorphic issue in their head, not reality.

    In other words, they just don't know what they're talking about. That's the attitude I'm referring to
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    It would take close to a year for a woman to put on enough muscle to actually become bigger, without testosterone supplements. The women who come on here and claim that they put on tons of muscle just by looking at a barbell are generally dealing with a body dysmorphic issue in their head, not reality.

    In other words, they just don't know what they're talking about. That's the attitude I'm referring to
    It's not an attitude. It's honesty. A normal woman (not a professional athlete) will be lucky to put on about 5 pounds of muscle in a year. 5 pounds of muscle spread out over the human body will not be noticeable to the naked eye. That's also eating a perfect surplus and heavy progressive strength training with numbers and progression hitting perfectly. Most woman will manage far less than that. It's a mental game. Body fat reduces, exposing muscle, and they immediately think they've built large amounts of muscle and are becoming manly and huge, even though all measurements have decreased. It's unfortunate, but the majority of people on the planet have zero understanding of how thir bodies actually function and look.
  • jimmmer
    jimmmer Posts: 3,515 Member
    It would take close to a year for a woman to put on enough muscle to actually become bigger, without testosterone supplements. The women who come on here and claim that they put on tons of muscle just by looking at a barbell are generally dealing with a body dysmorphic issue in their head, not reality.

    In other words, they just don't know what they're talking about. That's the attitude I'm referring to
    It's not an attitude. It's honesty. A normal woman (not a professional athlete) will be lucky to put on about 5 pounds of muscle in a year. 5 pounds of muscle spread out over the human body will not be noticeable to the naked eye. That's also eating a perfect surplus and heavy progressive strength training with numbers and progression hitting perfectly. Most woman will manage far less than that. It's a mental game. Body fat reduces, exposing muscle, and they immediately think they've built large amounts of muscle and are becoming manly and huge, even though all measurements have decreased. It's unfortunate, but the majority of people on the planet have zero understanding of how thir bodies actually function and look.

    This. Times. One. Million.
  • MzzFaith
    MzzFaith Posts: 337 Member
    Thanks really needed this.
  • roxylola
    roxylola Posts: 540 Member
    It would take close to a year for a woman to put on enough muscle to actually become bigger, without testosterone supplements. The women who come on here and claim that they put on tons of muscle just by looking at a barbell are generally dealing with a body dysmorphic issue in their head, not reality.

    In other words, they just don't know what they're talking about. That's the attitude I'm referring to
    It's not an attitude. It's honesty. A normal woman (not a professional athlete) will be lucky to put on about 5 pounds of muscle in a year. 5 pounds of muscle spread out over the human body will not be noticeable to the naked eye. That's also eating a perfect surplus and heavy progressive strength training with numbers and progression hitting perfectly. Most woman will manage far less than that. It's a mental game. Body fat reduces, exposing muscle, and they immediately think they've built large amounts of muscle and are becoming manly and huge, even though all measurements have decreased. It's unfortunate, but the majority of people on the planet have zero understanding of how thir bodies actually function and look.

    This. Times. One. Million.

    Also, to some extent, lifting makes you hungry. If you are lifting and not eating a deficit (easy to do if you are not the strictest about logging) then you will get bigger (a good bit will be fat though) If your muscles get a little bigger and the fat is either still covering them or if also growing then you will be getting bulky.

    The real secret to all this is find something you enjoy and do it. That will help keep you healthy all on it's own, even more so if you can do it and maintain a healthy weight and eat a reasonable diet in the respect of that.

    If you want to change your shape beyond making it smaller however then you are going to need to use weights to do that. You can not change your skeleton, I will never ever have the long willowy figure I would like (5'2" hourglass) but I can work weights to improve the muscle I have and keep my boobs supported with some chest muscle so they don't sag (my waist is not far enough from them to afford for that) I can work my glutes to give me a nicely defined lifted bottom so that I don't look bottom heavy. Cardio won't change these things no matter what I do.
  • BossLadyDSimp
    BossLadyDSimp Posts: 257 Member
    Lift your weights. I'll do my cardio, but if the zombies start chasing us I'm tripping you.

    Go ahead but when we can "pull ourselves up" over that fence you will wish you had done more then just cardio.

    I'll be long gone before you get over that fence. You gonna have to stop moving in order to get over it, while I'll just use my ability to outrun to keep going with no chance of being caught.

    I'm all set for zombs.
    So your saying the fence is going to magically move out of your way, one way or another your still gonna have to climb over it

    Fences do have an end to it & if you have backed yourself into a corner with zombs chasing you...stopping to climb a fence is NOT going to save you.
    The end of that fence could be miles and miles away. While your trying to find the end by running along the fence the zombies are getting closer and closer, while we are over the fence already safe and having drinks laughing at the runner

    Miles is nothing to a runner who has done cardio. Zombs are not fast, they shamble at best. I'm already gone by the time you get to the fence. I'm not heading towards a fence in the 1st place. Wonder how you are having drinks though. I'm busy surviving nicely. If you can still see me then that means you are not past that fence cause you have used all your 'strength' up to get over the fence & you are still gonna have to run. Haha

    :huh: Sht got really weird

    NEVER KNOW WHERE THE CONVO IS GOING TO GO ONCE SOMEONE BRINGS UP ZOMBIES ...

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