Motivation or "hate speech"?

rml_16

Morning hypoglycemia is not a recognized medical diagnosis for the normal healthy adult not taking diabetic drugs.

So STOP saying that it is.
It is NOT a "legitimate serious health condition."
It is NONSENSE!

Overweight people who are reluctant to come to terms with their food addiction use this as an excuse. It is shameful that some health care professionals go along with it.

Are YOU a doctor?

People skip breakfast all the time and, amazingly, don't pass out.

How come?

What is happening is people mistake the anxiety of not having food in their stomach with a diabetic crisis- a serious condition. Plus, it gives them an excuse for not dealing up front with their weight issues.

Hypogylcemic episodes in the morning or through the night are a recognized medical issue.
Aside from idiopathic hypogylcema there is ketotic hypoglycemia which may occur in some children after a night fast and results in morning malaise, etc.

Ketotic hypoglycemia is a real thing and can be quite dangerous.

This guy isn't even worth arguing with. I put him on ignore in the last thread because he kept insisting that a woman who was eating so little she was sick and faint that she just had to "get used to it" and wouldn't even consider any other point of view, that you know, maybe an ounce of almonds for a mid-afternoon snack was perfectly reasonable ...

EvgeniZyntx isn't worth arguing with or steve098?

Steve098. Sorry. :-)

EvgeniZyntx

Morning hypoglycemia is not a recognized medical diagnosis for the normal healthy adult not taking diabetic drugs.

So STOP saying that it is.
It is NOT a "legitimate serious health condition."
It is NONSENSE!

Overweight people who are reluctant to come to terms with their food addiction use this as an excuse. It is shameful that some health care professionals go along with it.

Are YOU a doctor?

People skip breakfast all the time and, amazingly, don't pass out.

How come?

What is happening is people mistake the anxiety of not having food in their stomach with a diabetic crisis- a serious condition. Plus, it gives them an excuse for not dealing up front with their weight issues.

Hypogylcemic episodes in the morning or through the night are a recognized medical issue.
Aside from idiopathic hypogylcema there is ketotic hypoglycemia which may occur in some children after a night fast and results in morning malaise, etc.

Ketotic hypoglycemia is a real thing and can be quite dangerous.

References?

Studies?

We are talking healthy adults with weight issues here.

Pediatrics- well, let me just say that there are probably NO kids on glucose supplements to prevent "idiopathic" morning hypoglycemia.

The physiology involving glucose metabolism evolved over hundreds of millions of years.

A situation where not eating breakfast caused UNCONSCIOUSNESS would mean the organism would probably die at some point, and well before puberty where they could pass on their defective gene set.

People faint all the time from panic attacks. Doesn't mean their glucose is low.

References for ketotic hypolgycemia? Srs?

But sure -
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/921936-overview#showall
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/92/11/4080

When glucose is tested and the result is low glucose, then it isn't "panic attack".

Insulinoma as a possible cause
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20930440

Dawn phenomena
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22548951
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24265365

Nocturnal hypoglycemia
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23883408
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19833577

ILiftHeavyAcrylics

Morning hypoglycemia is not a recognized medical diagnosis for the normal healthy adult not taking diabetic drugs.

So STOP saying that it is.
It is NOT a "legitimate serious health condition."
It is NONSENSE!

Overweight people who are reluctant to come to terms with their food addiction use this as an excuse. It is shameful that some health care professionals go along with it.

Are YOU a doctor?

People skip breakfast all the time and, amazingly, don't pass out.

How come?

What is happening is people mistake the anxiety of not having food in their stomach with a diabetic crisis- a serious condition. Plus, it gives them an excuse for not dealing up front with their weight issues.

Hypogylcemic episodes in the morning or through the night are a recognized medical issue.
Aside from idiopathic hypogylcema there is ketotic hypoglycemia which may occur in some children after a night fast and results in morning malaise, etc.

Ketotic hypoglycemia is a real thing and can be quite dangerous.

References?

Studies?

We are talking healthy adults with weight issues here.

Pediatrics- well, let me just say that there are probably NO kids on glucose supplements to prevent "idiopathic" morning hypoglycemia.

The physiology involving glucose metabolism evolved over hundreds of millions of years.

A situation where not eating breakfast caused UNCONSCIOUSNESS would mean the organism would probably die at some point, and well before puberty where they could pass on their defective gene set.

People faint all the time from panic attacks. Doesn't mean their glucose is low.

She's not a healthy adult with weight issues.

She's an adult with health problems and her weight is in the healthy range.

jonnythan

"And, with the hypoglycemia, No, I can NOT skip a meal unless I want to pass out. Been there, done that"

So if you miss a morning meal, you pass out.

Right?

Well, what happens next? Does someone come around and force sugar down your throat?

Logically, if you pass out because of a low glucose, THEN YOU WILL DIE unless someone sees you and calls 911.

Right?

I will bet you hard cash that if you skip breakfast, your sugars remain right in the normal range.

There was a big thread on it on this board not long ago.

But throwaway lines like "I have morning hypoglycemia so I have to eat breakfast" are false and people who say them are incredibly and sadly misinformed.

Don't anyone else believe it.

Are you a doctor? Or a specialist in blood sugar issues? If not, then please do not give out medical advice, especially to someone who is under a doctor's care. It sounds like you are simply passing on info you read in another thread, written by non-professional posters. Making blanket statements like you are doing, about legitimate serious health conditions, can be possibly dangerous if someone actually listens to you and takes your advice. So please stop.

Morning hypoglycemia is not a recognized medical diagnosis for the normal healthy adult not taking diabetic drugs.

So STOP saying that it is.

It is NOT a "legitimate serious health condition."

It is NONSENSE!

Overweight people who are reluctant to come to terms with their food addiction use this as an excuse. It is shameful that some health care professionals go along with it.

Are YOU a doctor?

People skip breakfast all the time and, amazingly, don't pass out.

How come?

What is happening is people mistake the anxiety of not having food in their stomach with a diabetic crisis- a serious condition. Plus, it gives them an excuse for not dealing up front with their weight issues.

Steve, I've asked you this before but received no answer:

Can you tell us about your qualifications/education/experience, please?

rml_16

Steve, I've asked you this before but received no answer:

Can you tell us about your qualifications/education/experience, please?

I believe the only response he ever gave to this was he read a book commonly used to educate doctors.

EvgeniZyntx

Morning hypoglycemia is not a recognized medical diagnosis for the normal healthy adult not taking diabetic drugs.

So STOP saying that it is.
It is NOT a "legitimate serious health condition."
It is NONSENSE!

Overweight people who are reluctant to come to terms with their food addiction use this as an excuse. It is shameful that some health care professionals go along with it.

Are YOU a doctor?

People skip breakfast all the time and, amazingly, don't pass out.

How come?

What is happening is people mistake the anxiety of not having food in their stomach with a diabetic crisis- a serious condition. Plus, it gives them an excuse for not dealing up front with their weight issues.

Hypogylcemic episodes in the morning or through the night are a recognized medical issue.
Aside from idiopathic hypogylcema there is ketotic hypoglycemia which may occur in some children after a night fast and results in morning malaise, etc.

Ketotic hypoglycemia is a real thing and can be quite dangerous.

This guy isn't even worth arguing with. I put him on ignore in the last thread because he kept insisting that a woman who was eating so little she was sick and faint that she just had to "get used to it" and wouldn't even consider any other point of view, that you know, maybe an ounce of almonds for a mid-afternoon snack was perfectly reasonable ...

facepalm.gif .....

A complete misrepresentation.

Here are a couple of myths that folks should mull over today:

“Hunger is my body telling me that I need to eat.” Not true. Hunger is a complex sensation that reflects more on the state of the stomach and the levels of blood nutrients than anything else. Additionally, the sensation is influenced by many other parts of the brain with a significant psych overlay. Rarely, if at all, does hunger signal that food is immediately needed to provide calories to the body.

“I need to eat in the morning in order to get my metabolic machinery going and keep my glucose from going too low.” Not true. Glucose is very tightly regulated by the body. If the serum glucose drops to low-normal levels, the storage form of glucose, glycogen, is broken down for glucose. The body has an 8-12 hour supply of glycogen on hand most of the time. If glycogen stores run low the body makes glucose from amino acids, with adequate glucose levels being able to be maintained for days if not weeks. In fact, there is no physiologic reason to eat a morning meal. The concept of starting up “metabolic machinery” in the morning is nonsensical.

Your herring is red.

No one here is arguing that hunger is not a complex signal nor has someone suggested that glucose isn't tightly regulated. However, for some individuals (pre-diabetic, other syndromes and medical conditions) hypoglycemia can occur, isn't as "instant deadly" as you suggest (i.e. that regulation sometimes kicks in after a faint - epinephrine release activates glucagon mediated glucose release, etc.). It is a clinical sign to be respected not just "panic attacks".

In the simplest terms,

1) it case of a faint, it is generally accepted to provide a little sugar and see if the malaise goes away in 15 mins or so,
2) in case unconciousness remains, seizures or continued signs of malaise we still tested for plasma glucose levels and provide glucose when these are low.

jonnythan

Steve, I've asked you this before but received no answer:

Can you tell us about your qualifications/education/experience, please?

I believe the only response he ever gave to this was he read a book commonly used to educate doctors.

Is he the one that referred to Guyton & Hall? Cause I have a copy of that book. I believe I asked him for a page reference for something he quoted from there so I could look it up myself, but he refused.

rml_16

Steve, I've asked you this before but received no answer:

Can you tell us about your qualifications/education/experience, please?

I believe the only response he ever gave to this was he read a book commonly used to educate doctors.

Is he the one that referred to Guyton & Hall? Cause I have a copy of that book. I believe I asked him for a page reference for something he quoted from there so I could look it up myself, but he refused.

I don't remember the name of the book, but I remember that conversation quite clearly, so probably.

kuroi19

This woman is obviously a complete as*****. The poster itself is fine, whatever it's actually pretty catchy, but she shouldn't get jealous of other women getting attention, and a lot of the plus size models are ten times healthier than her skinny *kitten*. They are nearly always actually within a healthy weight, we are just becoming a stupid society. Ah yea dying of anorexia, under eating and looking like a meth addict is fine, but God forbid a cm of fat on the hips! That's unhealthy!

EvgeniZyntx

Steve, I've asked you this before but received no answer:

Can you tell us about your qualifications/education/experience, please?

I believe the only response he ever gave to this was he read a book commonly used to educate doctors.

Is he the one that referred to Guyton & Hall? Cause I have a copy of that book. I believe I asked him for a page reference for something he quoted from there so I could look it up myself, but he refused.

I'm oooold.

This was my textbook.

jonnythan

Steve, I've asked you this before but received no answer:

Can you tell us about your qualifications/education/experience, please?

I believe the only response he ever gave to this was he read a book commonly used to educate doctors.

Is he the one that referred to Guyton & Hall? Cause I have a copy of that book. I believe I asked him for a page reference for something he quoted from there so I could look it up myself, but he refused.

I'm oooold.

This was my textbook.

Yours doesn't even have a Hall! Must be old :laugh:

rml_16

a lot of the plus size models are ten times healthier than her skinny *kitten*.

You know this how?

Ah yea dying of anorexia, under eating and looking like a meth addict is fine

If you think that woman looks like someone who suffers from anorexia or is addicted to meth, you have an extremely distorted idea of a healthy weight.

Though I agree a lot of "plus-sized" models are at healthy weights, since in the modeling industry, "plus-sized" started at size 6. They, however, in the real world are NOT plus-sized.

The woman in the original photo would probably in the workld of fashion moodeling be considered plus-sized herself. She looks healthy to me.

ironanimal

This woman is obviously a complete as*****. The poster itself is fine, whatever it's actually pretty catchy, but she shouldn't get jealous of other women getting attention, and a lot of the plus size models are ten times healthier than her skinny *kitten*. They are nearly always actually within a healthy weight, we are just becoming a stupid society. Ah yea dying of anorexia, under eating and looking like a meth addict is fine, but God forbid a cm of fat on the hips! That's unhealthy!

The only one on meth here is you. Jeez.

4daluvof_candice

MstngSammy

I think she is exactly correct that America is becoming far too tolerant of obesity. In most cases, obesity is the result of poor decisions rather than bad luck. Furthermore, it is just as harmful to individuals and society as alcoholism or smoking. People should stand up and say that obesity is not something that should be encouraged. If that makes the obese feel bad, they can do something to change. I'm not some skinny person saying this - I am still obese and have a long way to go to reach my goal.

Agreed^^^

People should take responsibility for themselves.

MstngSammy

*snort* :laugh:

melham

This woman is obviously a complete as*****. The poster itself is fine, whatever it's actually pretty catchy, but she shouldn't get jealous of other women getting attention, and a lot of the plus size models are ten times healthier than her skinny *kitten*. They are nearly always actually within a healthy weight, we are just becoming a stupid society. Ah yea dying of anorexia, under eating and looking like a meth addict is fine, but God forbid a cm of fat on the hips! That's unhealthy!

Where's your proof of all of the plus size models who are ten times healthier than her? You also insinuate that she has eating disorders and is not within a healthy weight. Again, where's that coming from? I'm not defending her necessarily, but statements like those you made are not productive.

meeper123

I think it is very wrong to ban someone just because they are in the lime light for the moment and they posted something they didn't like. Is she in the right uh no? But what about the other not famous *kitten* holes posting way worse things and not getting the ban hammer? She has the right to say what she wants.

AllonsYtotheTardis

I think it is very wrong to ban someone just because they are in the lime light for the moment and they posted something they didn't like. Is she in the right uh no? But what about the other not famous *kitten* holes posting way worse things and not getting the ban hammer? She has the right to say what she wants.

that's the way MFP works, isn't it?

jonnythan

I think it is very wrong to ban someone just because they are in the lime light for the moment and they posted something they didn't like. Is she in the right uh no? But what about the other not famous *kitten* holes posting way worse things and not getting the ban hammer? She has the right to say what she wants.

It was temporary; probably automatic based on how many people reported it.

She was unbanned shortly after.