Fast Food Workers Striking?!?!?
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Exactly.....more money for me, as bettering myself to get a different job is too difficult.I don't understand why this is over complicated.
Working in the fast food industry sucks. I think we can all agree to that.
I did it myself when I was in high school and it sucked.
So, instead of complaining about it, I bettered myself.
I couldn't afford college and my parents were not going to pay for it.
What is a boy to do?
I joined the Army.
The pay STILL sucked but, at least I got an education.
And, more importantly, I got the G.I. Bill.
I went to college while in the Army and, once I got out, I finished college.
Now, I make quite a bit more then I did flipping burgers but, if for some reason I feel I deserve more, I have two choices:
1: Ask for a raise
2: find another job.
Look, making minimum wage is impossible to live on alone. That is why there are roommates out there.
That is why some people work two jobs (I have done that too).
I don't feel sorry for minimum wage workers because they are working in a start up job.
Seriously, if they are unhappy with the pay, climb, scratch, fight, or run to get out of the job and into a better one.
And that's what they're doing.
Why do you feel that you're entitled to rights that they aren't?
They are not asking, they are demanding. that is the difference. He worked his *kitten* to improve, what are they people doing? They are saying pay me or else.0 -
BOOTSTRAPS!0
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I work in an office and I make just under 15 dollars. I'm sorry but I really don't think that fast food workers should be making the same amount as me lol. Fast food is pretty much the lowest on the totem pole of jobs. There's no shame in working fast food, a job is a job...HOWEVER, fast food jobs have ALWAYS been a minimum wage job designed for teenagers and college students. I understand what it's like to struggle with money, but if you need more money, you need to try to find a better job, not demand more money from the job that you knew from the beginning didn't pay well!! The dumbest part about it all is that if they do indeed raise their pay, the price of everything is going to go up as well. In the end it won't make any difference lol.0
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14-15 seems a bit high, but I don't think I could realistically pay my rent (even though it is split in half!) and live on $7-$8 PRE-taxes. Let's be realistic, here.0
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Asking for a raise while refusing to work seems like the world's stupidest way to ask for a raise. Maybe crapping on their desk and defiling their household pets would make it worse...
And that's what they're doing.
Why do you feel that you're entitled to rights that they aren't?
While it may seem stupid to you, it has shown to be effective throughout our history.
This is not the first time a labor force has gone on strike. Many of the employment perks we all enjoy today are because of striking employees demanding better conditions.
Or do you all think that corporations stopped hiring children to work in mines out of the kindness of their hearts?0 -
Begone with your common sense and logic!I work in an office and I make just under 15 dollars. I'm sorry but I really don't think that fast food workers should be making the same amount as me lol. Fast food is pretty much the lowest on the totem pole of jobs. There's no shame in working fast food, a job is a job...HOWEVER, fast food jobs have ALWAYS been a minimum wage job designed for teenagers and college students. I understand what it's like to struggle with money, but if you need more money, you need to try to find a better job, not beg for more money from the job that you knew from the beginning didn't pay well!!0 -
did not read this thread really.
But has anyone actually seen a fast food restaurant that people are striking at?
seriously asking, cause i never have0 -
This post has made me lose faith in humanity. Thanks......:grumble: There's a reason I usually avoid these discussions....It just makes me see people for the heartless asshats that they are....0
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did not read this thread really.
But has anyone actually seen a fast food restaurant that people are striking at?
seriously asking, cause i never have
NOPE! Everything in my area is open for business as usual.0 -
This is absolutely absurd. Fast food workers are paid too much now as it is. It is an entry level job. If you want more pay than find a better paying job!! How about go to college? Entitlement generation.0
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Anyone who's upset because he can't get his Big Mac because the people who make it actually want a fair wage is a tool.
Said the {french word for shower] with the chicken on his head.0 -
Asking for a raise while refusing to work seems like the world's stupidest way to ask for a raise. Maybe crapping on their desk and defiling their household pets would make it worse...
And that's what they're doing.
Why do you feel that you're entitled to rights that they aren't?
While it may seem stupid to you, it has shown to be effective throughout our history.
This is not the first time a labor force has gone on strike. Many of the employment perks we all enjoy today are because of striking employees demanding better conditions.
Or do you all think that corporations stopped hiring children to work in mines out of the kindness of their hearts?
we need to go back to 14 hour work weeks, child labor, and insanely dangerous working conditions!0 -
McDonald employees $1.5 million people world wide. Doubling pay means increasing costs by $11,250,000 an hour projecting costs that is.
No way they go for this.0 -
I'm not disagreeing. But those higher prices for consumers...these workers are part of that pool. So when prices go up, cost of living goes up. And then they need higher wages. It's a never ending spiral upward.
It isn't to me. I say more power to 'em. If they can convince the owners that they must pay a higher wage because it makes economic sense to do so, good for them. It means higher prices for consumers, but I can live with thatSo who has the next bad idea that would allow this giant company to pay people next to nothing? Because it's clearly very important to some of you that these people not earn a decent wage.0 -
I work in an office and I make just under 15 dollars. I'm sorry but I really don't think that fast food workers should be making the same amount as me lol. Fast food is pretty much the lowest on the totem pole of jobs. There's no shame in working fast food, a job is a job...HOWEVER, fast food jobs have ALWAYS been a minimum wage job designed for teenagers and college students. I understand what it's like to struggle with money, but if you need more money, you need to try to find a better job, not demand more money from the job that you knew from the beginning didn't pay well!! The dumbest part about it all is that if they do indeed raise their pay, the price of everything is going to go up as well. In the end it won't make any difference lol.
easy way for inflation0 -
I'm not disagreeing. But those higher prices for consumers...these workers are part of that pool. So when prices go up, cost of living goes up. And then they need higher wages. It's a never ending spiral upward.
It isn't to me. I say more power to 'em. If they can convince the owners that they must pay a higher wage because it makes economic sense to do so, good for them. It means higher prices for consumers, but I can live with thatSo who has the next bad idea that would allow this giant company to pay people next to nothing? Because it's clearly very important to some of you that these people not earn a decent wage.
I don't understand why people don't understand this very simple concept lol.0 -
Thanks to MFP, I rarely patronize fast food restaurants and very rarely even eat out anywhere.
However, what happens if the industry does increase workers wages to $15.00 and the costs are passed on to customers, many of whom will choose to no longer eat out because of the higher costs? Does anyone consider the consequences?
Could mean layoffs and closures of some stores.
I worked two jobs for years, many have worked more than two jobs to make ends meet. At what wage does the "I am entitled to make more money" end? I am sure there are many workers, some probably highly educated and very highly skilled, that feel they are underpaid. Who decides what is a livable wage? When, or where, does personal responsibility enter in to the equation? Or isn't personal responsibility an issue at all?0 -
did not read this thread really.
But has anyone actually seen a fast food restaurant that people are striking at?
seriously asking, cause i never have
not in person. just in photos from the news....that are looking for them.0 -
A business can't pay a worker more money than they can produce. You can't arbitrarily pay somebody 15 dollars an hour when their job only produces 6 dollars an hour of value. If you do that for any extended period of time, the business will go out of business, then nobody makes any money at all (business, employees, suppliers, etc).
If you want a better job that pays better than "living wages" - get yourself some skills that are worth something to society. Flipping burgers is not a skill - sorry.
Kind of you to worry about a small Mom & Pop operation like McDonalds. They, and their billions in yearly profits, appreciate your concern for their well being.
(serious answer) If the work of front line employees only produced that much value they wouldn't be profitable in the first place. The truth is those employees generate very large sums of money for the company. They are not paid nearly what they are worth to the business.0 -
did not read this thread really.
But has anyone actually seen a fast food restaurant that people are striking at?
seriously asking, cause i never have
not in person. just in photos from the news....that are looking for them.
so it's not really an issue?0 -
you angry?Just to show how ignorant most of the people in this thread are of the very basics of labor actions such as strikes, McDonald's can't simply fire all these people. It would literally be illegal.
Now, by all means, continue this incredibly stupid "debate" full of BS and people who don't know a damn thing about economics, labor action, social stratification, etc.
I am a little bit, yeah. I posted on my wall a little while ago that privilegd white folk who think they attained their position in society through nothing but their own darned hard work have joined people who don't vaccinate their kids on my list of people who make me unreasonably angry.
If their employment is "at will" that means that McDonalds can fire their employees for any reason and they can quit for any reason. Hence the "at will". It's not illegal. As far as I know there is no contractual agreement between McDonalds and their employees. THAT would make it illegal for McD's to decide to fire someone as it would be a breach of contract.
Says the girl who worked in Insurance for 13 years and provided Employment Practice Insurance to some of the largest companies in the US and has had to read handbooks and pretty much know the ins and outs of what is legal and what isn't.
So if an employee(s) intentionally skips their work shift could they be fired?
If you mean not show up for work? Yes.
I would be hard pressed to find an EPL insurance policy that covers collective bargaining agreements.0 -
I get it, and I agree with you on that point. It raised awareness for the plight of the children being forced to work in deplorable conditions, and it raised awareness about things like the disgusting practices in the slaughterhouses of 100 years ago and suchlike. I'm not opposed to collective bargaining. But I think it behooves us all to examine what they're asking for and decide if it's worth the higher prices we'll all have to pay as consumers. That's why I said earlier I'd rather pay higher prices as a consumer than have it forcibly taken from me, have some of the value siphoned off by a middle-man, and redistributed to the poor people who are then beholden to the bureacratic middle-men who are the gatekeepers to those resources. At least then I have the choice to buy or not buy the higher-priced product.
Asking for a raise while refusing to work seems like the world's stupidest way to ask for a raise. Maybe crapping on their desk and defiling their household pets would make it worse...
And that's what they're doing.
Why do you feel that you're entitled to rights that they aren't?
While it may seem stupid to you, it has shown to be effective throughout our history.
This is not the first time a labor force has gone on strike. Many of the employment perks we all enjoy today are because of striking employees demanding better conditions.
Or do you all think that corporations stopped hiring children to work in mines out of the kindness of their hearts?0 -
I'd like to go back to a 14 hour work week...
we need to go back to 14 hour work weeks, child labor, and insanely dangerous working conditions!0 -
Just to show how ignorant most of the people in this thread are of the very basics of labor actions such as strikes, McDonald's can't simply fire all these people. It would literally be illegal.
Now, by all means, continue this incredibly stupid "debate" full of BS and people who don't know a damn thing about economics, labor action, social stratification, etc.
Depends on your state laws. They could be fired in Indiana because we are an at-will state.0 -
you angry?Just to show how ignorant most of the people in this thread are of the very basics of labor actions such as strikes, McDonald's can't simply fire all these people. It would literally be illegal.
Now, by all means, continue this incredibly stupid "debate" full of BS and people who don't know a damn thing about economics, labor action, social stratification, etc.
I am a little bit, yeah. I posted on my wall a little while ago that privilegd white folk who think they attained their position in society through nothing but their own darned hard work have joined people who don't vaccinate their kids on my list of people who make me unreasonably angry.
If their employment is "at will" that means that McDonalds can fire their employees for any reason and they can quit for any reason. Hence the "at will". It's not illegal. As far as I know there is no contractual agreement between McDonalds and their employees. THAT would make it illegal for McD's to decide to fire someone as it would be a breach of contract.
Says the girl who worked in Insurance for 13 years and provided Employment Practice Insurance to some of the largest companies in the US and has had to read handbooks and pretty much know the ins and outs of what is legal and what isn't.
So if an employee(s) intentionally skips their work shift could they be fired?
If you mean not show up for work? Yes.
I would be hard pressed to find an EPL insurance policy that covers collective bargaining agreements.
Hence point made. If a person skips their work shift to strike they can be fired. I do not understand why that is so hard to understand for that guy.0 -
I'd like to go back to a 14 hour work week...
we need to go back to 14 hour work weeks, child labor, and insanely dangerous working conditions!
lol, yeah actually i would too.0 -
I'm not disagreeing. But those higher prices for consumers...these workers are part of that pool. So when prices go up, cost of living goes up. And then they need higher wages. It's a never ending spiral upward.
It isn't to me. I say more power to 'em. If they can convince the owners that they must pay a higher wage because it makes economic sense to do so, good for them. It means higher prices for consumers, but I can live with thatSo who has the next bad idea that would allow this giant company to pay people next to nothing? Because it's clearly very important to some of you that these people not earn a decent wage.
I don't understand why people don't understand this very simple concept lol.
Oh we do. It's just that some of us understand that it's not the truth. Because it's the same argument that's been made since the creation of a minimum wage, is trotted out every time someone talks about raising it, and when examined it's shown to not be the case. More money in the hands of workers leads to increased consumer spending and even greater profits, not higher prices.
But still it's said everytime the poor fight for better wages.
Where were any of you when the CEO of McDonalds gave himself a $14 million dollar raise? Why is that ok? Why is increased wages only bad for the poor?0 -
Something I'm amused about in this thread. The lack of logic. People working in fast food at minimum wage can't afford to even support themselves and their family. So what's the solution being suggested? Get an education. Yes, because people who can't afford to pay rent can certainly afford the thousands of dollars it takes to go to college.
You are obviously unaware of how much assistance is available, and how easy it is to get, for education. Student loans are no problem if you don't qualify for anything else.
Agreed...
But hey, I have a roof over my head and I only graduated high school. You do not need a degree to get a decent job.0 -
I get it, and I agree with you on that point. It raised awareness for the plight of the children being forced to work in deplorable conditions, and it raised awareness about things like the disgusting practices in the slaughterhouses of 100 years ago and suchlike. I'm not opposed to collective bargaining. But I think it behooves us all to examine what they're asking for and decide if it's worth the higher prices we'll all have to pay as consumers. That's why I said earlier I'd rather pay higher prices as a consumer than have it forcibly taken from me, have some of the value siphoned off by a middle-man, and redistributed to the poor people who are then beholden to the bureacratic middle-men who are the gatekeepers to those resources. At least then I have the choice to buy or not buy the higher-priced product.
Asking for a raise while refusing to work seems like the world's stupidest way to ask for a raise. Maybe crapping on their desk and defiling their household pets would make it worse...
And that's what they're doing.
Why do you feel that you're entitled to rights that they aren't?
While it may seem stupid to you, it has shown to be effective throughout our history.
This is not the first time a labor force has gone on strike. Many of the employment perks we all enjoy today are because of striking employees demanding better conditions.
Or do you all think that corporations stopped hiring children to work in mines out of the kindness of their hearts?
Actually, no it doesn't behove you at all. It behoves the management of McDonalds to decide if it is worth ploughing some of the billions they made in profit back into the workforce, and whether, at this point deploying some of their funds in this direction will make for a better-run (and possibly more profitable in the long run) company. The logic that burgers will have to go up is flawed in the extreme.0 -
Something I'm amused about in this thread. The lack of logic. People working in fast food at minimum wage can't afford to even support themselves and their family. So what's the solution being suggested? Get an education. Yes, because people who can't afford to pay rent can certainly afford the thousands of dollars it takes to go to college.
You are obviously unaware of how much assistance is available, and how easy it is to get, for education. Student loans are no problem if you don't qualify for anything else.
Agreed...
But hey, I have a roof over my head and I only graduated high school. You do not need a degree to get a decent job.
True! My biggest regret was believing the lie that college was the right place to be.0
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