How come models never lift heavy ?
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For the last time, I don't want to look like a VS model. And I am at 17% body fat and already eating at a deficit (1500-1700 cals per day). A body fat% lower than that is unsustainable in the long term, I'm not aspiring to reach 10% or anything and neither do I want to be super skinny.
so question... what exactly IS your goal- since you put this big premise about what looks "perfect up" then spend the next 2 pages telling us that's not what you want.
I'm not trying to be mean- I swear- but let's get REALLY specific here.
Her goal is to get someone to agree that a barbie workout is what she needs. She's close, but I don't think anyone has yet.0 -
The retouching doesn't alter their bodies that much . . . . no, it doesn't.
Look closer, there are many changes that the author of the blog missed. Almost all of the shopped images have also had the legs slenderized and the waists raised and narrowed. A few have clearly had their arms shrunk (which seriously, the as-is arms are all twigs so that seems a little redundant).
Aren't these all the little things that women endup worrying about anyways, no matter how small? This is the kind of stuff I know they notice, because the come on here and ask about it (which is fine, my point is that it's not as subtle as it seems).0 -
2 words. air brush
You can't airbrush the VS catwalk when they have the show on TV. Those are their bodies. They've been blessed by the genetic lottery physically speaking. Maybe their personal and emotional lives are train wrecks. I don't know!
OP: All I know is that wanting to look like someone else is not healthy. It takes you off your path and devalues the hard work you've done so far. I want to look like the best me and that's what I work toward.0 -
Hello, everyone. I have a dilemma: apparently, VS models, which are hailed as being the most perfect bodies on Earth and the absolute ideal, never ever touch any weights.
I wouldn't dream of telling anyone what their tastes or goals should be, but I couldn't more stridently object to this. :flowerforyou:
^this...
...and in.0 -
The retouching doesn't alter their bodies that much . . . . no, it doesn't.
Look closer, there are many changes that the author of the blog missed. Almost all of the shopped images have also had the legs slenderized and the waists raised and narrowed. A few have clearly had their arms shrunk (which seriously, the as-is arms are all twigs so that seems a little redundant).
Aren't these all the little things that women endup worrying about anyways, no matter how small? This is the kind of stuff I know they notice, because the come on here and ask about it (which is fine, my point is that it's not as subtle as it seems).
That's my point. The difference are subtle but they are what make the VS pictures into the "ideal" bodies that people think they want. The models have tiny legs and stomachs but VS STILL SHRINKS THEM!0 -
Good Grief.... Where are these Saddle bags you speak of? To look @ your pics you are tiny as all get out!
Here they are !
https://31.media.tumblr.com/6ae8d9275506e2aa82a5c74512856856/tumblr_mxe2fhopLk1qzd8cbo2_r1_500.jpg
That right there is genetics. Some of us store fat in "lumpy" ways instead of having it distributed more evenly across the body. The reality is that no matter what exercise you do, you will have to go the extra mile with fat loss - i.e., you will have to be extra-lean - to make that go away. And the only way to achieve that is through diet.
Look at it this way - the genetic roulette wheel gave you same exceptionally nice outcomes, this is the (small) price to pay for that.
With all that said, as a male with a tremendous amount of appreciation for the female form, I should add that I don't find that unattractive.
ETA: It is true that many images are phototshopped. It is also true that many models do actually look like that, as can be evidenced by seeing them on a runway.0 -
2 words. air brush
You can't airbrush the VS catwalk when they have the show on TV. Those are their bodies. They've been blessed by the genetic lottery physically speaking. Maybe their personal and emotional lives are train wrecks. I don't know!
OP: All I know is that wanting to look like someone else is not healthy. It takes you off your path and devalues the hard work you've done so far. I want to look like the best me and that's what I work toward.
no but all of you are crazy if you think they aren't using a use a crap load of make up on their bodies- including butt's and breasts and mid sections.
I agree work the upper body- the back- build your upper body and create a smaller waist visually- my waist looks hella tiny sometimes because I have an exceptional (well I think) lat spread- AND a nice wide hip.
Bam- two wide lines- and one small one in the middle = visual difference.0 -
VS models are actually very muscular, but their body fat percentage is extremely low as well due to their dietary restrictions and strict exercise regime. If you are ready to commit to something as strict as they endure on the dietary side, then do the leg lifts and expect the body of a goddess. But if you're eating just a smidge more than you need for basic functions, then you like most of us will need heavier weights to boost your metabolism. Many models also claim that they "eat whatever they want" and we all know that's a farce too; so I'm not too concerned with the VS exercise regime.0
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They need to look delicate and willowy. You don't exactly look that way when you're lifting.0
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VS models are actually very muscular, but their body fat percentage is extremely low as well due to their dietary restrictions and strict exercise regime. If you are ready to commit to something as strict as they endure on the dietary side, then do the leg lifts and expect the body of a goddess. But if you're eating just a smidge more than you need for basic functions, then you like most of us will need heavier weights to boost your metabolism. Many models also claim that they "eat whatever they want" and we all know that's a farce too; so I'm not too concerned with the VS exercise regime.
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just no0 -
OP: All I know is that wanting to look like someone else is not healthy. It takes you off your path and devalues the hard work you've done so far. I want to look like the best me and that's what I work toward.
I completely disagree with this. Physical appearance is one of many human attributes. If it is ok to emulate other people's ambition or drive or altruism or education, it is also perfectly ok to emulate their physical fitness and/or physical appearance.0 -
Victoria Secret models work extremely hard to achieve their appearance. They may not lift HEAVY, but they do lift. And they work out far more than I'd likely ever have time for anyways. It's part of their JOB. And like anyone else has said, it's 80% genetics, 20% what you do with them.
If you're trying to look like a runway model, well, the only workout they do is probably in their own head. Unless they naturally look like a rail, they eat next to nothing and do mainly cardio. Most of them walk away from that career with eating disorders and/or drug addictions. They are not a body to aspire to be, they're merely hangers for clothing (sorry to sound harsh, but that's what they are there for). I'd also like to add, food related disorders have the highest mortality rate of all addictions. Mainly anorexia.0 -
I'd rather be strong and muscular, than thin and weak. But that is my opinion. I will always have the look of "saddlebags" because my side oblique muscles pop over my hip bones and can often look like 'fat'. I know it's not. (Although I've gained some weight back, so it's not as cut now).
If you want the VS lean model look - then do lots of cardio and keep a calorie deficit, with no strength training.
If you want lean and somewhat muscly - then do cardio and strength, with deficit
If you want muscly but not ripped... then don't lean out as much. i.e. less deficit.
I think you look great as you are. But YOU have to decide what body type YOU want... and then see if it is possible for YOU... and then do the right stuff to get YOU there.
As for me... I prefer the strong and mildly ripped look to thin and breakable. And VS would never want me... I'm ok with that!
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2 words. air brush
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Some VS models do lift heavy weights (well moderately) and do squats. I read a workout plan from a VS model that said she does that. Some people are slim and slender. Lifting weights doesn't cause bulking up. I highly recommend it.
And then other VS models do pilates and body weight exercise, and if done well that is also highly effective. I did mostly that as a dancer for many years when I was younger and had a beautiful body. I'm 35 now and I think keeping up with weights is essential to maintain muscle as we get older. And the younger you start the better, take advantage of your muscle building potential. You won't get big muscles, just shapely and firm and the "toned" look you want.
I do Strong Curves bretcontreras.com
Here is a helpful article: http://bretcontreras.com/how-to-attain-a-slender-look-like-jessica-alba-zoe-saldana/
I think that VS model Doutzen Kroes, for example, has a beautiful, healthy body.0 -
They're not of a different body type than the rest of the world.
They may be those general shapes, but they are also very genetically blessed in a way the vast majority of women are not.0 -
And just keep in mind that when you see the VS models on the runway, they have gone on a many months long diet similiar to a competition diet. It is not sustainable long term and they do not maintain that year long. They will tell you that.0
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Oyyyyyyyyyyy.
Ladies, we need to stop chasing the ideal of "perfect".
Open your peepers a little and stop letting society shove what we should look like down our throats.
http://www.upworthy.com/5-minutes-of-what-the-media-actually-does-to-women-80 -
You can't spot reduce.0
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OP: All I know is that wanting to look like someone else is not healthy. It takes you off your path and devalues the hard work you've done so far. I want to look like the best me and that's what I work toward.
Then someone needs to refer me to a therapist because I wanna look like The Rock. And before that I always wanted to look like a comic book superhero. There may even be a pic in my profile of me wearing a Batman logo shirt. Although I'm not a Batman fan. Daredevil is what I collected as a kid. But now I'm know I'm off the path, unhealthy, and don't value my hard work.
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Your legs are already very thin in this photo. In fact, the likely reason they aren't "lean" despite being about 17% body fat is because you don't have much muscle mass to provide that lean appearance. To appear lean, you need to have adequate muscle volume occupying space under the skin in combination with low body fat.I beg to differ. If these are not saddlebags, then what are they ? Inesthetic deposits of fat.
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Your legs are already very thin in this photo. In fact, the likely reason they aren't "lean" despite being about 17% body fat is because you don't have much muscle mass to provide that lean appearance. To appear lean, you need to have adequate muscle volume occupying space under the skin in combination with low body fat.I beg to differ. If these are not saddlebags, then what are they ? Inesthetic deposits of fat.
https://31.media.tumblr.com/6ae8d9275506e2aa82a5c74512856856/tumblr_mxe2fhopLk1qzd8cbo2_r1_500.jpg
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They're not of a different body type than the rest of the world. Some are pear shaped, like me, some have other shapes, and so on. But all of them are very lean (and many have been so for decades, not just for a few years). My point is, why does the internet place so much importance on lifting heavy when apparently you can get super lean by just doing lunges and leg raises and lots of cardio with high reps and very low weights ? Women are told that lifting heavy with low reps is the best thing ever, but apparently it's possible to do the exact opposite and be lean too. I'm really confused and I don't know who to believe.
This kind of workouts are the exact opposites of my squats and deadlift sessions, yet she is a lot leaner than I've ever been lifting weights. So why bother with weights when apparently the secret to success are some ankle weights ? She and I have the same body shape, yet she seems to be getting better results by NOT lifting heavy.
http://www.shape.com/fitness/workouts/victorias-secret-butt-workout
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/443073/Train-like-an-angel-Victoria-s-Secret-beauty-Candice-Swanepoel-shares-her-workout-routine
That is their bodies and this is yours, totally different people they have dietitians and trainers and people telling them they need to look a certain way or not work. Not to mention the lighting, oils , lotions and spray on tans and makeup play a part in what you see on the stage and confidence that they appear to have. If you want to do just cardio and lunges etc then do it and see where it gets you if you want to lift heavy weights then go for it and see where that gets you. It is your body and you can play around with your workouts and find out what gets you the results you want and if you don't like those results then change it up.0 -
Celebrities that DO lift. And look hot. (And IMO, vs models are all thin and wafiesh because, well, genetics. That's why they can stay thin and look like that all the time.)0 -
I completely disagree with this. Be the best YOU possible and compete with yourself... take measurements, set goals, whether it is going farther or increasing weight or reps...reach your potential by challenging yourselfOP: All I know is that wanting to look like someone else is not healthy. It takes you off your path and devalues the hard work you've done so far. I want to look like the best me and that's what I work toward.
I completely disagree with this. Physical appearance is one of many human attributes. If it is ok to emulate other people's ambition or drive or altruism or education, it is also perfectly ok to emulate their physical fitness and/or physical appearance.
you will never be someone else, so stop trying....you can admire them, but do not compare yourself to them.0 -
Her goal is to get someone to agree that a barbie workout is what she needs. She's close, but I don't think anyone has yet.
What's up with the *kitten* response ? Like I need to prove to you that I lift heavy enough or some ****. The point of this topic was to discuss if high reps with little weights can be as effective as weightlifting in terms of fat loss. Unfortunately, due to my poor choice of language, people understood that I wanna look like a VS model/that I think they're perfect and now you're throwing in this nonsense that I'm secretly craving a barbie workout. To be honest, I absolutely hate cardio and lifting makes me feel really, really happy, so why would I be seeking someone's approval that I need a barbie workout ?0 -
Because they are starving to DEATH!0
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I'm kind of like you.. When I lose weight it tends to come off the top end first.. But the bottom catches up eventually until it's all proportional. Give it some time.0
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Because they are starving to DEATH!
VS lingerie models are starving to death? No, they are not. This way of thinking is actually pretty ignorant. The VS models are very healthy and not too thin. They are lingerie models (not high fashion models). Yes, in some of the photoshopped photos they can look too thin. On the runway they are not "starving to death". They may be more slender than what you find appealing, but that's not the same as starving to death. They have a job that requires a specific lifestyle and aesthetic. And they go on a competition style diet and workout routine some months before the Christmas runway show. They are also tall, which makes them appear even more slender in the legs.0
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