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  • lavaughan69
    lavaughan69 Posts: 459 Member
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    Why does dieting have to be that miserable? Surely you could squeeze a dessert in without derailing your entire diet? Sure, if you have an issue with portion control I could maybe see your point but I'm not quite understanding why you cant have fun and indulge?

    Its not "a dessert", its one even after another after another after another. That is my point. Thanksgiving results in a two pound gain, I get it off, then hubby immediately wants to take me out for dinner. That doesn't result in a gain, but prevents a loss... I work that out and then hubby doesn't understand why I don't go to a woman's event at my church where there is a ton of dessert food, the very next day, he wants to take me out to a dessert event... two days after that he will most likely be trying to talk me into eating some of my son's and my birthday cake, two days later he will try to talk me into going to wednesday night potluck with him, a couple of days after that he will want to go out to dinner again... it is never ending. And while an occasional date or dinner out doesn't hurt, doing so every week, in addition to all the holiday stuff... is resulting in a NET LOSS of zero for November and December.

    I feel your pain, I really do, and when I first started MFP last March I was quite frantic about avoiding social outings, restaurants, etc. But here's the thing, it doesn't ever end! I have a meeting that I go to every other week that has food laid out and I just ignore it or look for the healthy stuff. You have the ability to say no to the desserts if you don't have the calorie room to eat it, or you could just save room and have a dessert.

    The other approach is a 5/2 fast. If you know you have a lot of events that you're going to then pick two days that week where you know you're not going out and only eat 500 calories. I often compensate for fun times on the weekend by restricting my diet during the week. This has turned out to be a great way to manage my life. I get to have fun and I'm still seeing losses on the scale. It's slow, but then again, it's not a race.
  • suziepoo1984
    suziepoo1984 Posts: 915 Member
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    I think I understand what you're saying regarding why this is potentially problematic. You already understand that you can try to "make it fit your macros" as some people are suggesting, but they apparently aren't taking into consideration the adherence/preferential factors involved in substituting restaurant food/deserts for other options.

    It sounds to me like you get it, you're just overwhelmed with the frequency at which these events are coming up and if you feel that you are continually forced to "fit" some dessert or other energy dense food into your macros, the remainder of that day is probably not going to be very satisfying and you risk going over.

    Additionally, while I'm a big promoter of flexible dieting, I think people may be overlooking the fact that given 1600 calories and 100g protein as your target intake, your available fat/carb macros aren't all that high, and those restrictions make it a lot harder for you to try and fit things in. Someone like me who bulks on 3400+ and cuts on 2200-2400 will have a significantly easier time with food selection simply because my bank of discretionary intake is much larger.

    As far as solutions to this, I think you need to look at this from multiple directions.

    1) Consider which of these events it's more important for you to eat at and which of these events would YOU be more comfortable just having a coffee. This would potentially allow you to "skip" some of these from a dietary perspective while not actually skipping the event itself.

    2) Consider having a very polite and non-attacking chat with your husband, not to tell him that he can't take you out, but to explain to him your goals, the challenges you face, and how you feel. Then, when you're done telling him these things, close your mouth and listen to his reply. You really should feel lucky that he wants to take you out. It's not his fault that you are dieting but at the same time it may be helpful for him to understand you on this, and vise versa.

    3) Look to see if there are ways you can increase food volume and satiety on days surrounding the events and consider ways to shave off calories so that you can provide a small buffer on the days you go out. For example, if you have a week where you're going to go out 3 nights, can you reduce your intake the other 4 nights to 1400, and be a bit more strict with food selection (more fibrous green vegetables for one example, since that would provide you with good nutrient density, a lot of food volume, likely promoting satiety at a low calorie cost)...? This would give you another 800 calories to work with in terms of providing a bit of a buffer on the "days out". Furthermore, if you decide to only eat on 2 of those 3 days and just have some coffee or socialize on the other day, that's another 400 calories on each of those two nights. That should make things substantially easier.

    4) Finally, I would really urge you to not give up on the idea of going out. I would think about ways to make compromises so that you aren't putting stress on your relationship with your husband, you aren't doing harm to your progress or goals, but you also aren't becoming scared of a night out, or several nights out.

    5) Edited to add: Perhaps this is an obvious one, but in case it's not -- you should be able to order something like grilled chicken breast, or a steak, and steamed vegetables, and specify that you would like it without cream sauces or butter/etc. This would allow you opportunity to better control total energy intake. I bet at least some places would provide this for you even if it's not on the menu.


    There is nothing wrong with choosing not to eat on some (in fact, all) of these occasions. It's going to be a matter of figuring out where you draw the line on that, and then utilizing some of the above to make it easier when you do decide to partake.

    Best of luck.

    OP: ^^ is everything you need. I can understand what you are trying to say. Good luck to you :)
  • srslybritt
    srslybritt Posts: 1,618 Member
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    Just a tip that I've been using: When I go out to eat, no matter what I get, whether it be sirloin or salad, I get a to-go box WITH my food. I then split ALL of my food in half, no matter how small the portions look, and take half of it home with me and eat half at the restaurant. It doubles as being awesome because then I get two meals out of it, and also because it keeps me from overeating.
    It has never occurred to me to ask for a to-go box at the same time the food arrives. Thanks for the tip.
    I can't take full credit for it, I got the idea from my mom. :) Regardless, happy to help!

    I also feel that I should clarify my comment. I meant for this to help you on those "date night" situations. If you don't want to do certain things on dates with your husband, help him plan things and give input on what you would rather do. It's a two-way street. He's reaching out to you for quality time, and if you reciprocate his request with "no, I don't want to do that," and don't offer any alternatives, he will take it personally and probably get discouraged. Gently remind him that you are trying to gain control over your health and you would appreciate if he would consider healthy options along with you. Research restaurants with health-friendly choices on the menu, suggest new things to do (when was the last time you went on a hike together?), and remember to acknowledge that you appreciate his willingness to spend time with you.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    I think I understand what you're saying regarding why this is potentially problematic. You already understand that you can try to "make it fit your macros" as some people are suggesting, but they apparently aren't taking into consideration the adherence/preferential factors involved in substituting restaurant food/deserts for other options.

    It sounds to me like you get it, you're just overwhelmed with the frequency at which these events are coming up and if you feel that you are continually forced to "fit" some dessert or other energy dense food into your macros, the remainder of that day is probably not going to be very satisfying and you risk going over.

    Additionally, while I'm a big promoter of flexible dieting, I think people may be overlooking the fact that given 1600 calories and 100g protein as your target intake, your available fat/carb macros aren't all that high, and those restrictions make it a lot harder for you to try and fit things in. Someone like me who bulks on 3400+ and cuts on 2200-2400 will have a significantly easier time with food selection simply because my bank of discretionary intake is much larger.

    As far as solutions to this, I think you need to look at this from multiple directions.

    1) Consider which of these events it's more important for you to eat at and which of these events would YOU be more comfortable just having a coffee. This would potentially allow you to "skip" some of these from a dietary perspective while not actually skipping the event itself.

    2) Consider having a very polite and non-attacking chat with your husband, not to tell him that he can't take you out, but to explain to him your goals, the challenges you face, and how you feel. Then, when you're done telling him these things, close your mouth and listen to his reply. You really should feel lucky that he wants to take you out. It's not his fault that you are dieting but at the same time it may be helpful for him to understand you on this, and vise versa.

    3) Look to see if there are ways you can increase food volume and satiety on days surrounding the events and consider ways to shave off calories so that you can provide a small buffer on the days you go out. For example, if you have a week where you're going to go out 3 nights, can you reduce your intake the other 4 nights to 1400, and be a bit more strict with food selection (more fibrous green vegetables for one example, since that would provide you with good nutrient density, a lot of food volume, likely promoting satiety at a low calorie cost)...? This would give you another 800 calories to work with in terms of providing a bit of a buffer on the "days out". Furthermore, if you decide to only eat on 2 of those 3 days and just have some coffee or socialize on the other day, that's another 400 calories on each of those two nights. That should make things substantially easier.

    4) Finally, I would really urge you to not give up on the idea of going out. I would think about ways to make compromises so that you aren't putting stress on your relationship with your husband, you aren't doing harm to your progress or goals, but you also aren't becoming scared of a night out, or several nights out.

    5) Edited to add: Perhaps this is an obvious one, but in case it's not -- you should be able to order something like grilled chicken breast, or a steak, and steamed vegetables, and specify that you would like it without cream sauces or butter/etc. This would allow you opportunity to better control total energy intake. I bet at least some places would provide this for you even if it's not on the menu.


    There is nothing wrong with choosing not to eat on some (in fact, all) of these occasions. It's going to be a matter of figuring out where you draw the line on that, and then utilizing some of the above to make it easier when you do decide to partake.

    Best of luck.

    ^^very good advice.

    I also get that you feel that you at least need to limit the frequency of these events (I assume that is what you are saying). People can go on about 'why can't you do it' or 'it's a lifestyle change'...the issue is...going out all the time often led a lot of us here in the first place...so people often need to make alterations to their usual MO. Sometimes this involves going out to eat a little less - I know it does for me, especially to ensure I hit my macros, and there is nothing wrong with that as long as it does not 'take over' and negatively alter other aspects of your life.

    Maybe look to have dinner dates that also more active - like bowling, ice skating etc. as a longer term compromise.
  • jenniferarnold619
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    Having just dated a guy for a while who loved food and always wanted to go out for doughnuts or ice cream, I can sympathize your situation. I encourage you to take this time as a new lesson in lifestyle. I think you are absolutely correct that dates do not always have to revolve around food. However you shouldn't hamper relationships with friends and your husband for the fear of caloric in take. Use this as a time to learn moderation.

    Moderation is what is going to help you keep your weight off. You will eventually get to the weight goal you want to be at and then what? You will have to continue to watch what you are eating, stay active and practice moderation.

    Perhaps for this outing he is taking you out on, you can split a dessert? Surely you can prepare that day by doing some morning exercising, eat light (ie soup and salad for lunch), cook a healthy supper that night and then enjoy splitting a dessert. Sharing can be romantic and then your slice of cheese cake will only be 300 calories v. 600.

    It is incredibly frustrating when folks are not on the same page as you when it comes to your health/ diet goals. However, you should remember how blessed you are to have a husband who wants your company and attention. Think of how many folks out there who are not in a relationship OR their spouse has forgotten how special their significant other is.

    Just look at food and your calorie count like a budget. You can plan and save for big ticket items. If you over spend you have two options, trim back on your spending the next few days to make the difference and/ or make an extra side hustle (exercising) to make up the difference. This is doable. Don't let your health goals hurt your relationship. Plus if you set an example and show how it is enjoyable or at least not miserable it is, he may follow in time. Good luck and way to go with your 47 down!
  • briana12077
    briana12077 Posts: 128 Member
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    wow just reading two pages of replies is making me mad. I understand where you're coming from. I get annoyed when my mom offers me cookies or something. I don't get mad if they are in the house... its when she puts them in front of me so I have to resist even more than just knowing they are in the cabinet. I have a hard time resisting. And I understand the whole thing about going to bed hungry because you can't eat enough of a high calorie meal. I'd say suggest doing things that have nothing to do with food and then come home and eat, or eat at home before you go out. Or ask him to take you places where he can eat and you can just eat before or after at home. Nothing wrong with that. I don't think you are wrong for feeling how you do because it really is hard to plan. People are so annoying on here sometimes. In one breath... log everything, keep your macros, blah blah blah... and in another.... live a little who cares if you go over! portion control like um duh ever heard of it??? Its not that easy for everyone to resist for one, and two... if you are given a high calorie meal and do resist eating it all YOU ARE STILL HUNGRY yet wasted a ton of calories. You can't always eat out 3 or 4 times a week every week. Theres nothing wrong with her. Are you reading her replies?

    I do agree though that maybe you can't make him understand so you will either have to just ask him to cooperate in the best way possible and both of you meet in the middle. Talking is the best way to get anything to happen in a relationship. Good luck girl.
  • bcnewell27
    bcnewell27 Posts: 21 Member
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    Lifestyle/diet changes/weightloss seemed to be like a grieving process for me. I spent a lot of time planning for it. I kept saying "I'm going to do it but I'm just not ready right now." Life was crazy and there was too much to focus on and I couldn't "get my head in the game". There was enough emotional stuff going on inside that I had ACCEPT. Not let go, but ACCEPT. I accepted that I weighed 163ish,

    I accepted that I could barely breath when walking up stairs, and I accepted that I wore a size 16 and that my boobs were the same size as when I was 9 months pregnant and even those bras were getting tight. I had to change the way I thought about myself and accepted the fact that I am a worthy individual, a great friend, and that I did not want to associate with negative people or people who think that I should lose weight the way they lost weight. In fact a few weeks ago I lost a friend over a butterfinger.

    My husband brought me a butterfinger because he got beer. We used to have a deal that if he got beer he had to get me a 'treat' too and it was usually chocolate because that's what I couldn't get enough of. Anyway I knew chocolate bars were empty calories and I had already used my calories for the day and I texted her "holy crap there's 270 calories in a butterfinger...grrrrr....guess I'll just cut it in half and have it over the next two days" She texted me back and said "Here's an honest question why not just NOT eat it at all??" I was a little taken aback and was like wow what a *****, but I responded with "Because I want it and I can have it" and she went on about how I was always complaining about all the foods I ate and I'm sitting here thinking I rarely talk to her and no I don't talk about food with her all the time she's the one telling me about all the frappe's that have made her gain back ten pounds and how her mother in law added all kinds of oil to the foods her mother in law cooked when they lived with her etc etc.

    Of course I never said "well why didn't you cook your own foods or skip the frappes?" nope I just listened. She said she told me she was just being a good friend and trying to help me and I'm sitting here thinking 'I'm not stupid I know I don't have to eat something and I know I can have something if I want it because I am the only person in control of my body'.....so got rid of her and I'm perfectly happy. I don't suggest getting rid of your hubby though. :) Sometimes it just takes a while for people to wrap their brains around major changes. which you will be going through. Some people will try to grasp at control when it's only an illusion in the first place. At first I could swear my sister in law and her husband were starving themselves because every time we saw them they had dropped so much weight. It just took a while of seeing them to get used to the way they looked. So changes like that can be unsettling but it's okay.

    I also said the only way I was going to lose weight is by eating things I like and doing (for now) as little extra exercise as possible. I said I was going to make diet changes my main focus until I reach 130lbs and then I would move onto extra curricular exercises like cardio and strength training. My sister in law and her hubby ate lots of kale and tofu and all the other awesome nutrient packed alternatives. My former friend got on the treadmill every single night and ate almost nothing but fruit (according to her) to lose weight. That is too restrictive and stressful for me and I don't like tofu and the only cooked veggies I like are green beans and corn. The rest I'll occasional ate in a salad. I said I am going to do things MY way. So I looked up a lot of low cal recipes via pepperplate.com because I was also very bored with the food we were eating and got to the point where I just didn't want to eat any of it so I had to make some changes for my taste buds. That was probably the best decision I ever made because I've lost 14lbs so far and I am still dedicated to the lifestyle. I also don't fear food. I don't believe donuts or cake or cookies are evil, but they also aren't that filling for me so I choose to limit them. I also chose to make breakfast as filling as possible while still being better than what I ate previously which was usually two slices of toast with butter or some very non filling cereal or a glass of chocolate milk. Now I switch between egg/egg whites with turkey bacon, vanilla greek yogurt with a banana and granola mixed in, and baked oatmeal with rolled oats and walnuts in it.

    I also had to practice self control. I constantly want to snack between meals. I still do, but I'll have some special k crackers with hummus, or those 100 calorie popcorn bags, or something 'low calorie' like that and I usually just have one in the morning and the other in the after noon. I also have dessert. Which wasn't something we did prior..what with all the butterfingers and reese cups and all that.... I'll make some strawberry short cake or have a 40 calorie fudgepop or something which usually gets a handle on my sweet cravings.

    Date nights can be tricky. I'll usually treat them as a 'cheat day' and be mindful of what I eat earlier that day. Also I surprised myself when we went to Applebee's for our date night one night. I loooooooooooooove their Queso Blanco and chips. Nice and salty! Before I would eat almost the whole plate of that by myself, plus the steak, and most of my fries. The last time we went I nibbled on the chips and dip. Ate all my steak (no stopping me there) and barely touched my fries. I found that I just did not want them as much as I used to because I had learned to recognize without even thinking about it when I was satisfied or full. I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that I had started weighing all my food and serving proper portion sizes for myself. Sometimes I wouldn't need the full portion size, for example I had plenty of hummus left over after eating my crackers and hummus so I just cut the hummus portion down to 1tbsp instead of 2tbsp like it says on the package.

    There are soooo many changes that can be made and soooo many that can still make you just as happy. You just have to handle them one at at time and decide what is right for you.
  • srslybritt
    srslybritt Posts: 1,618 Member
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    Now that I reread the post. It's not really about her husband is it? It's more about fear. About lack of control. It's about dealing with all the events that come up with daily life and having a plan of attack for staying the course.
    I think it's less about fear and more that the OP is frustrated that she was feeling overwhelmed with the holidays and how to control herself as it was, and she feels hurt by the fact that her husband doesn't seem to care that he's contributing to her stress.

    On the other hand, he may not even realize he's causing an issue. I think the best solution is for OP to sit down with her husband and have a real, non-aggressive talk about what she would like to do to solve the situation. Surely if alternatives were put forth, some of them might stick. Since when does a date ALWAYS mean going out to dinner? Go to the roller (or ice) skating rink, take a walk in the park if you live in an area where that's an option, make a veggie tray at home and curl up with a Redbox movie together. The most important thing is quality time with each other, whether that's in a restaurant or your own living room.

    This gave me a brilliant idea: Twister!
  • ARDuBaie
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    I usually try to stay positive on these forums but it sounds like you've made up your mind to be miserable, bitter, and a little bit angry. I don't know why you posted if that is the case.

    Unfortunately, I kind of agree with you here


    Please let's stop beating up on the OP. I know exactly where the OP is coming from. You can complain about something and not be miserable, you know. Are you all missing this one thing that the OP stated:

    Her husband didn't like eating out before and now, all of a sudden, he has decided that they need to eat out all the time.

    Here she was doing great because everything was the same. They ate at home and he was okay with that. Now, he wants to eat out all the time. I know what that is like. My best friend wanted to eat out everytime we got together, which was about three times a week. You can't plan around that amount of eating out. Once a week eating out is doable, maybe even two times, but three times is tough.

    Many times, potluck food has hidden fat and carbs. People add butter to things that I normally would not add butter to. They may add extra sugar to foods. Potlucks are called pot lucks because you are lucky if you can discern what is in the pot.

    Eating at restaurants is also perilous. A simple Cobb salad can clobber your diet because of all the hidden ingredients. The same with chef salads. Look at Applebees menu. Check out the salads. Then plug them into a calorie counter and you will see what I mean. What looked harmless isn't.

    I often take my scale out to restaurants along with a tupperware container. That way I can weigh my food (yes, people stare at me) and take home the extras for another meal.

    The problem here is that something happened that her husband wants to eat out all the time. You can't plan calories around eating out all the time. Yep, some of you can do McDs on Monday, Wendy's on Tuesday, Taco Bell on Wednesday, and so forth, but I can't do that. I would be back to my old weight if I did that. Some restaurants specialize in having hidden calories (Applebees) whereas some are good with keeping things low in calorie and label it as such (Ruby Tuesday). Ruby is my favorite place to eat because they are so accomodating and they don't add butter to their broccoli or other veggies.

    I believe that the husband is a bit insecure about the OP losing weight. I also think that he is being selfish in not taking into consideration the OP's needs. Who would schedule something without considering the other person's feelings? Somewhere there is a compromise to be had.

    I feel that the OP needs to sit down and talk openly about her feelings with her husband, stressing those health issues that she may still have as needing to be resolved and also stressing how hard it is to lose weight, and even maintain a loss, when eating out so many times during the week.
  • AlabasterVerve
    AlabasterVerve Posts: 3,171 Member
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    One strategy that's been working really well for me the last year was to mark an X on the calendar with a highlighter anytime I indulge and eat food that's not part of my everyday diet -- holidays, birthdays, celebrations etc. That way my husband and I can both see if it's getting out of hand.

    If the calendar is clear he knows it's ok if the "something nice" he wants to do for me is food related. But if it's covered in X's I'm not going to appreciate the pint of Ben & Jerry's he brings home for me because he knows it's my favorite. It's a great reminder and it completely eliminates the problem. I can see it's not a big deal to just site back and enjoy whatever and my husband sees that I'm not carrying the diet thing too far. I know he really appreciates knowing ahead of time what's going to make me happy without having to ask.

    It's not easy finding that balance, I know. Best wishes.
  • twixlepennie
    twixlepennie Posts: 1,074 Member
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    My husband likes me to eat too. So I save a good portion of my calories for when he will be around. Usually dinner time. Since your husband seems to focus on your diet or be around every two days, perhaps you can invent the very first "alternate day" diet.

    Actually alternate day IF is not a new concept :) It's more commonly called JUDDD (there's a mfp group here if you want more info)
  • Myhaloslipped
    Myhaloslipped Posts: 4,317 Member
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    It seems many people have given you advice and tried to offer opinions and answers to your question, but you have an argument for every one of them. I'll tell you what you want to hear: you're right and he's wrong. stay in the house and never leave and never indulge and never try to eat anything unhealthy. if he doesn't like it then he's a shmuck! good luck!

    U mad? :laugh:

    She is right. He is wrong. If someone is trying to lose weight, and someone else is always "hey, let's go get dessert!" they ARE being a schmuck. It is not the duty of the wife to always accommodate the schmucky behavior of the husband. Sometimes the wife has to put her own goals first, and the husband can just get glad in the same pants he got mad in.

    I love the glad/mad pants! I'm keeping that one.

    If I came home and my husband decided to change plans without asking me and just announced "We are going out." I'd pretty much tell him to pound sand. Why does he get to decide everything? No way would I just go along. It's not compromise if it's one-sided...

    This sounds like a sweet thing for a husband to do in my opinion. As for the dessert stuff, how far should it go? No birthday cake? No Valentine's Day chocolates? Not everyone is on a diet, so those of us who are need to learn to adjust to the rest of the world or stay home and complain about never being taken out anywhere. This really seems like a no win situation.
  • baldmitch
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    Understanding and agreement are not prerequisites of cooperation.

    20+ years of marriage wisdom: you cannot put important things in your partner's head, you can't expect your partner to comply with the small things even when they are important to the big picture. You do what you have to do. And if he feels that he has to go to every potluck and every Christmas party, then he should do what he has to do.

    Be confident and bold in your decisions, be kind to others, understand first, then seek to be understood. Set boundaries and enforce them jealously, and respect the boundaries of others.

    And compromise...when it is in your interest to do so, and only if it is win-win. Can you eat before the potluck? Cut your time short? Can you bake cookies for the Christmas party without eating half the batch?

    You'd be surprised what a little air of mystery you can add to what people think of you by showing up for 10 minutes and quietly leaving at these social events. To quote Oscar Wilde, it's better to have them talking about you than not :)
  • Saramelie
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    May I say something? The world does not stop spinning when we start dieting. I don't not want to sound mean. I'm just (re)starting again, and december is hard with all the food temptations, so I get it. But i REFUSE to isolate myself because I've decided to take care of my body. If you calculate it right, you CAN stay within your objective. Do you know about ""calories cycling""? Let's say your daily allowance is 1800 calories. You do 1800 calx7 (for the week) = 12600 cal/week. Then, you devide this number how you want during the week. Example : 1400, 1800, 1600, 1400, 1800, 2300, 2300. So this means that on the days that you are in total control, you plan a ""low day"" (1400, 1600) and on days that you have potlucks or date nights, you use one of your ""high days""(2300 cal). In the end it still adds up to 1800 cal/day. (or whatever number you eat). You can do this and still enjoy going out :-)
  • husseycd
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    Anyway, at my age, eating 1600 calories a day and exercising 90 minutes a day, trying to get a minimum of 100 grams of protein every day results in a loss of 1-2 pounds a week, which is what I am aiming for. And if I am told in advance of special events I can plan for them by reducing my calories on surrounding days to 1200-1300 so that I still average out about the same 1600 a day for the week.

    Quite honestly, I think this is too strict. I'm not much younger than you, weigh 128 lbs, exercise less and eat 1800-2000 calories a day M-Th, and more like 2300-2500 on the weekends. If I ate1600/day, I'd lose weight.

    Go to Fat2Fit radio, put in your numbers and see what they give you. They recommend eating at your goal weight unless you have a lot to lose and then they recommend breaking your goal weight into smaller chunks.

    Many people decide to make a change and then decide they want to lose as quickly as possible. IMO, it's better to take it slower so it isn't such a punishment. After all, you still have to balance everything at the thinner you.
  • bcnewell27
    bcnewell27 Posts: 21 Member
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    Understanding and agreement are not prerequisites of cooperation.

    20+ years of marriage wisdom: you cannot put important things in your partner's head, you can't expect your partner to comply with the small things even when they are important to the big picture. You do what you have to do. And if he feels that he has to go to every potluck and every Christmas party, then he should do what he has to do.

    Be confident and bold in your decisions, be kind to others, understand first, then seek to be understood. Set boundaries and enforce them jealously, and respect the boundaries of others.

    And compromise...when it is in your interest to do so, and only if it is win-win. Can you eat before the potluck? Cut your time short? Can you bake cookies for the Christmas party without eating half the batch?

    You'd be surprised what a little air of mystery you can add to what people think of you by showing up for 10 minutes and quietly leaving at these social events. To quote Oscar Wilde, it's better to have them talking about you than not :)

    That is well written advice. :)
  • SideSteel
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    Anyway, at my age, eating 1600 calories a day and exercising 90 minutes a day, trying to get a minimum of 100 grams of protein every day results in a loss of 1-2 pounds a week, which is what I am aiming for. And if I am told in advance of special events I can plan for them by reducing my calories on surrounding days to 1200-1300 so that I still average out about the same 1600 a day for the week.

    Quite honestly, I think this is too strict. I'm not much younger than you, weigh 128 lbs, exercise less and eat 1800-2000 calories a day M-Th, and more like 2300-2500 on the weekends. If I ate1600/day, I'd lose weight.

    Go to Fat2Fit radio, put in your numbers and see what they give you. They recommend eating at your goal weight unless you have a lot to lose and then they recommend breaking your goal weight into smaller chunks.

    Many people decide to make a change and then decide they want to lose as quickly as possible. IMO, it's better to take it slower so it isn't such a punishment. After all, you still have to balance everything at the thinner you.

    Her rate of loss would indicate that her combination of intake and exercise is quite reasonable.
  • WhiteRabbit1313
    WhiteRabbit1313 Posts: 1,091 Member
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    Please let's stop beating up on the OP.

    Well, I don't think anyone was beating up on her. They were just being direct.
    Are you all missing this one thing that the OP stated:

    Her husband didn't like eating out before and now, all of a sudden, he has decided that they need to eat out all the time.

    I do think you have a point here. It's absolutely possible that he's afraid of her getting better/smaller and is sabotaging her weight loss. I DID consider that, but I was focusing on what she had the ability to change. It's good to know those who are on your side and those who aren't, even if they're doing it subconsciously, though.
  • vwbug86
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    It seems many people have given you advice and tried to offer opinions and answers to your question, but you have an argument for every one of them. I'll tell you what you want to hear: you're right and he's wrong. stay in the house and never leave and never indulge and never try to eat anything unhealthy. if he doesn't like it then he's a shmuck! good luck!

    U mad? :laugh:

    She is right. He is wrong. If someone is trying to lose weight, and someone else is always "hey, let's go get dessert!" they ARE being a schmuck. It is not the duty of the wife to always accommodate the schmucky behavior of the husband. Sometimes the wife has to put her own goals first, and the husband can just get glad in the same pants he got mad in.

    I love the glad/mad pants! I'm keeping that one.

    If I came home and my husband decided to change plans without asking me and just announced "We are going out." I'd pretty much tell him to pound sand. Why does he get to decide everything? No way would I just go along. It's not compromise if it's one-sided...

    This sounds like a sweet thing for a husband to do in my opinion. As for the dessert stuff, how far should it go? No birthday cake? No Valentine's Day chocolates? Not everyone is on a diet, so those of us who are need to learn to adjust to the rest of the world or stay home and complain about never being taken out anywhere. This really seems like a no win situation.

    The OP has stated that she does eat desserts and her diet isn't very restrictive (has ice cream several times a week). Desserts are High Cal Low Volume food and messes with the OPs Sugar and makes her feel shaky.

    She's not saying she can't have desserts. It's that she doesn't want to 4-6 days a week 4 weeks in a row. I didn't eat that much dessert before I started losing weight.

    It sounds like your husband is just caught up in the Holiday Season/ Birthdays. I understand how frustrating that can be. I need to remind my BF every couple of months that I am trying to lose weight.

    Also don't be afraid to be that annoying person at restaurants. (no croutons on my salad, dressing on the side, no sauce on my meat entree, can I get that grilled instead of fried...ect)
  • Sanders119
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    I wish my husband would plan a three day trip for me. Or a date. Or anything for that matter.
    I'm sorry, but I can't give any sympathy. You should be trying to incorporate you goals into your life, not making your life and everyone in it revolve around your goals.

    Couldn't have said it better. Is it not possible to just have one dessert? Is it not possible to just say no to the food or choose wisely? I would love it if my husband wanted to spend more time with me and actually booked something. What are you going to do next year, or the year after, etc.? If it's all a willpower problem and he's simply putting temptation in your way then you need to learn skills to manage these situations, because they're going to keep cropping up in life.

    As you can see, I rarely post, but I feel very sorry for your husband in this instance.