Most effective cleanse?

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  • bethannien
    bethannien Posts: 556 Member
    Time out.

    Can someone remind me what it is a cleanse purports to cleanse?

    Yeah, I know, "toxins"...

    ...but can someone name even ONE of these toxins that are cleansed by a cleanse that aren't otherwise cleansed by the body regardless?

    Just one? Please?

    Thanks.

    No kidding. I've been waiting for someone to answer this question in dozens of cleanse threads. Beyoncé and Gwyneth Paltrow cleanse and swear by it, though so it must be necessary.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,222 Member
    Street food in Delhi.......done in a fraction of the time too.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,989 Member
    My stance isn't about being meatless at all, my stance is that juicing is a viable choice for a cleanse, and it is possible to get all the nutrients one needs from it. It IS true that you have to plan your diet (I'm using diet as in what a person habitually eats, not as in restriction of foods to lose weight) out to make sure you're getting your nutrients - I don't see how you can argue with that, but whatever. I don't have little fancy titles in bold under my comments on here, and I never studied nutrition at a University, but I'm subjectively researching my food choices every day. So screw you.
    Wow, you get some questioning feed back (politely I might add) and you get pissed off? :huh:
    You know what? You win. I give up. I bet you still haven't been to the website I suggested. I bet you still haven't seen the documentary I'm referencing. It would make since for you to check it out since you're talking about all the research you do, but you probably know everything about it all ready so why bother? My information was appropriate for the question asked. That's what the point was anyway. I almost wish I had never replied to you.
    You'd lose the bet. I've already stated that actually peer reviewed clinical studies haven't shown any evidence of cleansing or detoxing. If you have one, then please link it. Documentaries, blogs, sites that cater to juicing etc. don't usually provide peer reviewed studies but lots of correlative ones.
    And it's good for you to reply. You might actually learn the truth. I did. At one time I believed in a lot of the BS the fitness/diet industry purported as truth only to find out that lots of it is broscience. And don't you want to learn about truth?

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  • AprilLizbethWire
    AprilLizbethWire Posts: 38 Member
    My stance isn't about being meatless at all, my stance is that juicing is a viable choice for a cleanse, and it is possible to get all the nutrients one needs from it. It IS true that you have to plan your diet (I'm using diet as in what a person habitually eats, not as in restriction of foods to lose weight) out to make sure you're getting your nutrients - I don't see how you can argue with that, but whatever. I don't have little fancy titles in bold under my comments on here, and I never studied nutrition at a University, but I'm subjectively researching my food choices every day. So screw you.
    Wow, you get some questioning feed back (politely I might add) and you get pissed off? :huh:
    You know what? You win. I give up. I bet you still haven't been to the website I suggested. I bet you still haven't seen the documentary I'm referencing. It would make since for you to check it out since you're talking about all the research you do, but you probably know everything about it all ready so why bother? My information was appropriate for the question asked. That's what the point was anyway. I almost wish I had never replied to you.
    You'd lose the bet. I've already stated that actually peer reviewed clinical studies haven't shown any evidence of cleansing or detoxing. If you have one, then please link it. Documentaries, blogs, sites that cater to juicing etc. don't usually provide peer reviewed studies but lots of correlative ones.
    And it's good for you to reply. You might actually learn the truth. I did. At one time I believed in a lot of the BS the fitness/diet industry purported as truth only to find out that lots of it is broscience. And don't you want to learn about truth?

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    You were being polite I guess, but kind of a polite douchy know it all, which is why I got mad. I'll do my own research instead of just taking your word for truth. I'm not some naive person who's had the wool pulled over my eyes by evil juicing scammers - which you seem to think I am.

    Fat sick and nearly dead doesn't promote juicing for cleansing the body. That's why I'm still not sure you've looked into it much. You don't seem to know what the main point of the film/website is. I guess I should have mentioned that I'm not super into cleanses and don't really believe the hype about them detoxing the body. The main guy and the guy he inspired both had a complete life change because of juicing. They got rid of all their medications! Obviously it did them some good. That's why I thought the person who posted this should check it out - it'd be a great experience.

    I am interested in finding alternate opinions of fat sick and nearly dead (peer reviews knocking juicing doesn't count. I'm looking for things specific to this documentary) So hit me up with some links if you've got them to share.

    Also, you should look into T Colin Campbell PhD and Caldwell B Esselstyn's work. Reading back through our exchange I noticed you mentioned eating quite a bit of protein (just under 200gs a day I think I read?). I haven't completely researched it yet, but the few things I've read (especially the work of the doctors I mentioned above) comment on maybe having less protein in our diets. This is just a suggestion for you to look into, though! Like I said, I haven't really looked too far into it yet.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,989 Member
    My stance isn't about being meatless at all, my stance is that juicing is a viable choice for a cleanse, and it is possible to get all the nutrients one needs from it. It IS true that you have to plan your diet (I'm using diet as in what a person habitually eats, not as in restriction of foods to lose weight) out to make sure you're getting your nutrients - I don't see how you can argue with that, but whatever. I don't have little fancy titles in bold under my comments on here, and I never studied nutrition at a University, but I'm subjectively researching my food choices every day. So screw you.
    Wow, you get some questioning feed back (politely I might add) and you get pissed off? :huh:
    You know what? You win. I give up. I bet you still haven't been to the website I suggested. I bet you still haven't seen the documentary I'm referencing. It would make since for you to check it out since you're talking about all the research you do, but you probably know everything about it all ready so why bother? My information was appropriate for the question asked. That's what the point was anyway. I almost wish I had never replied to you.
    You'd lose the bet. I've already stated that actually peer reviewed clinical studies haven't shown any evidence of cleansing or detoxing. If you have one, then please link it. Documentaries, blogs, sites that cater to juicing etc. don't usually provide peer reviewed studies but lots of correlative ones.
    And it's good for you to reply. You might actually learn the truth. I did. At one time I believed in a lot of the BS the fitness/diet industry purported as truth only to find out that lots of it is broscience. And don't you want to learn about truth?

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
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    You were being polite I guess, but kind of a polite douchy know it all, which is why I got mad. I'll do my own research instead of just taking your word for truth. I'm not some naive person who's had the wool pulled over my eyes by evil juicing scammers - which you seem to think I am.
    The information I get is from peer reviewed clinical studies. That would be your best bet for research if you intend to follow up on it.
    Fat sick and nearly dead doesn't promote juicing for cleansing the body. That's why I'm still not sure you've looked into it much. You don't seem to know what the main point of the film/website is. I guess I should have mentioned that I'm not super into cleanses and don't really believe the hype about them detoxing the body. The main guy and the guy he inspired both had a complete life change because of juicing. They got rid of all their medications! Obviously it did them some good. That's why I thought the person who posted this should check it out - it'd be a great experience.
    You're correlating that the juicing help the person to get off the meds. It's much more likely that they got of the meds from weight reduction. That can be verified by just about any organization that deal in weight loss including the AMA, CDC and even obesity clinics. Juicing was just their way of losing weight.
    I am interested in finding alternate opinions of fat sick and nearly dead (peer reviews knocking juicing doesn't count. I'm looking for things specific to this documentary) So hit me up with some links if you've got them to share.
    Problem is opinions aren't factual most of the time. Look at it from a common sense perspective. Was it the juice that caused the weight loss or was it because he was in calorie deficit? I guarantee you that if he had drank the most nutrient dense juice in the world, but remained in calorie surplus, that weight loss wouldn't have occurred. Right?
    Also, you should look into T Colin Campbell PhD and Caldwell B Esselstyn's work. Reading back through our exchange I noticed you mentioned eating quite a bit of protein (just under 200gs a day I think I read?). I haven't completely researched it yet, but the few things I've read (especially the work of the doctors I mentioned above) comment on maybe having less protein in our diets. This is just a suggestion for you to look into, though! Like I said, I haven't really looked too far into it yet.
    Campbell was the guy who authored the China Study which has been debunked even by vegetarians.

    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/385/

    Consider that if your preference is a plant based diet, as I've mentioned it's fine and sustainable to live off of. But you'd be hard pressed to prove that diets with animal products can't be part of a healthy diet. Most of the feedback I'm getting from you is that your approach to diet is just that of plant based only which biases you toward it. Again that would be a subjective and not objective point of view.

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  • Bluizflame
    Bluizflame Posts: 151 Member
    Sugar free gummy bears by Harino. Seriously, look at the reviews on Amazon. Just one small handful needed. :drinker:

    ^^^^ THIS!!!

    Here's the link... I nearly "cleansed" myself laughing!

    http://www.amazon.com/Haribo-Gummy-Candy-Sugarless-5-Pound/product-reviews/B000EVQWKC/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1

    Dying. I'm going to put that link on every single cleanse thread on here from now until forever. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


    OMG!!! Soooooooo worth the read!! hahahaha
  • AprilLizbethWire
    AprilLizbethWire Posts: 38 Member
    My stance isn't about being meatless at all, my stance is that juicing is a viable choice for a cleanse, and it is possible to get all the nutrients one needs from it. It IS true that you have to plan your diet (I'm using diet as in what a person habitually eats, not as in restriction of foods to lose weight) out to make sure you're getting your nutrients - I don't see how you can argue with that, but whatever. I don't have little fancy titles in bold under my comments on here, and I never studied nutrition at a University, but I'm subjectively researching my food choices every day. So screw you.
    Wow, you get some questioning feed back (politely I might add) and you get pissed off? :huh:
    You know what? You win. I give up. I bet you still haven't been to the website I suggested. I bet you still haven't seen the documentary I'm referencing. It would make since for you to check it out since you're talking about all the research you do, but you probably know everything about it all ready so why bother? My information was appropriate for the question asked. That's what the point was anyway. I almost wish I had never replied to you.
    You'd lose the bet. I've already stated that actually peer reviewed clinical studies haven't shown any evidence of cleansing or detoxing. If you have one, then please link it. Documentaries, blogs, sites that cater to juicing etc. don't usually provide peer reviewed studies but lots of correlative ones.
    And it's good for you to reply. You might actually learn the truth. I did. At one time I believed in a lot of the BS the fitness/diet industry purported as truth only to find out that lots of it is broscience. And don't you want to learn about truth?

    A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition


    You were being polite I guess, but kind of a polite douchy know it all, which is why I got mad. I'll do my own research instead of just taking your word for truth. I'm not some naive person who's had the wool pulled over my eyes by evil juicing scammers - which you seem to think I am.
    The information I get is from peer reviewed clinical studies. That would be your best bet for research if you intend to follow up on it.
    Fat sick and nearly dead doesn't promote juicing for cleansing the body. That's why I'm still not sure you've looked into it much. You don't seem to know what the main point of the film/website is. I guess I should have mentioned that I'm not super into cleanses and don't really believe the hype about them detoxing the body. The main guy and the guy he inspired both had a complete life change because of juicing. They got rid of all their medications! Obviously it did them some good. That's why I thought the person who posted this should check it out - it'd be a great experience.
    You're correlating that the juicing help the person to get off the meds. It's much more likely that they got of the meds from weight reduction. That can be verified by just about any organization that deal in weight loss including the AMA, CDC and even obesity clinics. Juicing was just their way of losing weight.
    I am interested in finding alternate opinions of fat sick and nearly dead (peer reviews knocking juicing doesn't count. I'm looking for things specific to this documentary) So hit me up with some links if you've got them to share.
    Problem is opinions aren't factual most of the time. Look at it from a common sense perspective. Was it the juice that caused the weight loss or was it because he was in calorie deficit? I guarantee you that if he had drank the most nutrient dense juice in the world, but remained in calorie surplus, that weight loss wouldn't have occurred. Right?
    Also, you should look into T Colin Campbell PhD and Caldwell B Esselstyn's work. Reading back through our exchange I noticed you mentioned eating quite a bit of protein (just under 200gs a day I think I read?). I haven't completely researched it yet, but the few things I've read (especially the work of the doctors I mentioned above) comment on maybe having less protein in our diets. This is just a suggestion for you to look into, though! Like I said, I haven't really looked too far into it yet.
    Campbell was the guy who authored the China Study which has been debunked even by vegetarians.

    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/385/

    Consider that if your preference is a plant based diet, as I've mentioned it's fine and sustainable to live off of. But you'd be hard pressed to prove that diets with animal products can't be part of a healthy diet. Most of the feedback I'm getting from you is that your approach to diet is just that of plant based only which biases you toward it. Again that would be a subjective and not objective point of view.

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    I don't think that plant based is the only way. I haven't said that once - I don't even feel that I've implied it. It has nothing to do with cleansing or this feed at all. I just mentioned I follow it and get enough protein and fat from it. I am biased towards it because it works for me. But before I chose it I researched it - Objectively. Once I did that - I decided to try it out to see how it works for me. So far so good.

    You have offered me two links in your last comment - that's the first time you've given proof to your claims. Everything else has just been your word. So yeah, it seems like you just want me to take your word for truth. You say you get your information from peer reviews? Prove it and link them. Other than that I'm not really interested in what you have to say.

    Suggesting that you look into how much protein you're eating opened a whole new can of worms that I'm just going to shove the lid right back on. Not really interested in talking with you about it. I'm not all about weight loss - I'm about being healthy. The choices I'm making are for my general health not specifically for weight loss. I don't feel I'm being subjective - I do my research every day. Form whatever opinion you want about me - I don't really care.

    When I said "alternate opinions on Fat Sick and Nearly Dead" I meant peer reviews debunking the health benefits the documentary claims. I should have said that - sorry. I didn't realize you would latch on to the word opinion like that. Whatever you thought I meant - doesn't mean you couldn't have linked some factual peer reviews for me to read anyway. OF COURSE IT WAS THE CALORIE DEFICIT THAT CAUSED THE WEIGHT LOSS. I never said it wasn't. I do have trouble believing that it was just the weight loss that caused him to be able to go off his meds. Common sense tells me that when you switch from a poor diet to nutrient rich juice for a while you are going to have at least a few health benefits besides the weight loss.

    For the record - I do have more to say on all your comments. But this going back and forth is getting us nowhere. We will just have to agree to disagree. Actually, I don't care if you agree to disagree - I just simply won't be coming back to this thread. I just want to be done with this whole thing. I stand by my douchy know it all description of you and am letting this go.
  • I_Will_End_You
    I_Will_End_You Posts: 4,397 Member

    When I said "alternate opinions on Fat Sick and Nearly Dead" I meant peer reviews debunking the health benefits the documentary claims. I should have said that - sorry. I didn't realize you would latch on to the word opinion like that. Whatever you thought I meant - doesn't mean you couldn't have linked some factual peer reviews for me to read anyway. OF COURSE IT WAS THE CALORIE DEFICIT THAT CAUSED THE WEIGHT LOSS. I never said it wasn't. I do have trouble believing that it was just the weight loss that caused him to be able to go off his meds. Common sense tells me that when you switch from a poor diet to nutrient rich juice for a while you are going to have at least a few health benefits besides the weight loss.


    Have you ever read about Mark Haub, the guy who did the Twinkie diet experiment?
  • Wetcoaster
    Wetcoaster Posts: 1,788 Member
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
  • DSTMT
    DSTMT Posts: 417 Member
    Sugar free gummy bears by Haribo. Seriously, look at the reviews on Amazon. Just one small handful needed. :drinker:

    I was curious so I looked these up, and oh my god, I was almost crying I was laughing so hard at some of the reviews. Anyone who wants a high-powered "cleanse" should buy some of these!
  • Muddy_Yogi
    Muddy_Yogi Posts: 1,459 Member
    I find if I drink too many glasses of red wine....I get flushed right out!
  • Paula038
    Paula038 Posts: 42 Member
    Sugar free gummy bears by Haribo. Seriously, look at the reviews on Amazon. Just one small handful needed. :drinker:

    I was curious so I looked these up, and oh my god, I was almost crying I was laughing so hard at some of the reviews. Anyone who wants a high-powered "cleanse" should buy some of these!

    ^^This. I had tears in my eyes from laughing!
  • mammamaurer
    mammamaurer Posts: 418 Member
    Sugar free gummy bears by Harino. Seriously, look at the reviews on Amazon. Just one small handful needed. :drinker:

    ^^^^ THIS!!!

    Here's the link... I nearly "cleansed" myself laughing!

    http://www.amazon.com/Haribo-Gummy-Candy-Sugarless-5-Pound/product-reviews/B000EVQWKC/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1

    Dying. I'm going to put that link on every single cleanse thread on here from now until forever. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


    OMG!!! Soooooooo worth the read!! hahahaha

    damn im only half thro the reviews but....i feel the need to buy this now..... relatives coming to town.... neighbore hood kids..... a dirty dirty prank on the husband... oh the possblities....:devil:
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,989 Member
    I don't think that plant based is the only way. I haven't said that once - I don't even feel that I've implied it. It has nothing to do with cleansing or this feed at all. I just mentioned I follow it and get enough protein and fat from it. I am biased towards it because it works for me. But before I chose it I researched it - Objectively. Once I did that - I decided to try it out to see how it works for me. So far so good.
    Again, I've never stated that a plant based diet was a bad option. Like you, people use diets that work to ensure their nutritional values are met.
    You have offered me two links in your last comment - that's the first time you've given proof to your claims. Everything else has just been your word. So yeah, it seems like you just want me to take your word for truth. You say you get your information from peer reviews? Prove it and link them. Other than that I'm not really interested in what you have to say.
    Fair enough:

    http://www.ideafit.com/fitness-library/detox-diets-myths-vs-reality
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/03/22/do-juice-cleanses-work_n_1372305.html

    There are links to peer review studies in both articles.
    Suggesting that you look into how much protein you're eating opened a whole new can of worms that I'm just going to shove the lid right back on. Not really interested in talking with you about it. I'm not all about weight loss - I'm about being healthy. The choices I'm making are for my general health not specifically for weight loss. I don't feel I'm being subjective - I do my research every day. Form whatever opinion you want about me - I don't really care.
    Your stance was that vegetables and fruit have PLENTY of protein. All I stated was that for someone like myself who wanted to meet their protein goal daily, that 37 cups of spinach (which is high in protein than a lot of other vegetables) would be a lot to eat to meet it. That's all. Why are you so standoffish?
    When I said "alternate opinions on Fat Sick and Nearly Dead" I meant peer reviews debunking the health benefits the documentary claims. I should have said that - sorry. I didn't realize you would latch on to the word opinion like that. Whatever you thought I meant - doesn't mean you couldn't have linked some factual peer reviews for me to read anyway. OF COURSE IT WAS THE CALORIE DEFICIT THAT CAUSED THE WEIGHT LOSS. I never said it wasn't. I do have trouble believing that it was just the weight loss that caused him to be able to go off his meds. Common sense tells me that when you switch from a poor diet to nutrient rich juice for a while you are going to have at least a few health benefits besides the weight loss.
    I don't doubt there were added benefits because nutritional density was better. But any journal of medicine will tell you that weight is the number 1 risk factor for health problems. High blood pressure can't be treated by juicing. Neither can diabetes. Both are effectively affected by the weight of the person who has it. You can disbelieve it all you want, but working in a Wellness Center (where we work with people who are recovering from stroke, heart attack, accidents, surgery, and weight loss surgery as well as other medical issues) reduction of medications is directly due to significant weight loss especially in the terms of dosage.
    For the record - I do have more to say on all your comments. But this going back and forth is getting us nowhere. We will just have to agree to disagree. Actually, I don't care if you agree to disagree - I just simply won't be coming back to this thread. I just want to be done with this whole thing. I stand by my douchy know it all description of you and am letting this go.
    No problem. How you feel about me doesn't trump factual evidence. I know you were just trying to help, but on a public site just using anecdotes aren't gonna be enough to convince people who actually have experience in teaching actual weight loss that's sustainable for the long term, nor is there any reason to use programs that are extreme.

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  • DeputySox
    DeputySox Posts: 78
    A Pepsi enema.

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