phil robertson suspended from duck dynasty
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Yes, he can have an opinion, but in this case, his opinion was bigoted. Good riddance.
Spoken like a true liberal bigot.
Do tell how my post was bigoted. This should be good.
By definition, your intolerance of his opinion/viewpoint makes you a bigot as well.
I don't care about the definition. Being against bigotry doesn't mean you're a bigot. What a dumb statement.
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Silly all of us non libs;)
Yes, he can have an opinion, but in this case, his opinion was bigoted. Good riddance.
Spoken like a true liberal bigot.
Do tell how my post was bigoted. This should be good.
By definition, your intolerance of his opinion/viewpoint makes you a bigot as well.
I don't care about the definition. Being against bigotry doesn't mean you're a bigot. What a dumb statement.
Ah I forgot, you liberals just take any term, change its meaning, then force everyone else to conform to what you want it to mean. Silly me.0 -
No worries, people will get all amped up on my post tooIn all fairness if the situation was reversed and a gay person said the same thing about a straight person, what would happen??? Thoughts on this?
My thought, nothing....as special interest groups are pretty much running America.
Agreed and I'm sick of it.
ETA: Oops, I guess I shouldn't have said that. I probably offended someone. :sick:
Didn't offend me...I am right there with you.0 -
Freedom of speech and freedom of religion. He was suspended based on sharing his religious beliefs. He was honest about his beliefs and also went on to say he "loved all humanity" and several times stated it was " just his belief and opinion that it was a sin" If you are a christian and believe what the Bible says then it has several references to "homosexuality is a sin" "an abomination". I share a lot of the same opinions as he does but I also respect others decisions and treat everyone the same. It is not for me to judge others. I think that is what he was trying to say also. He believes it is a sin just like the other things he listed were sins according to the Bible. This country is going to crap. We have no freedoms any longer. He should not have been suspended for this. People need to stop getting so offended about every little thing. It is absolutely ridiculous that people have to walk on eggshells in a "free" country. I am a Christian and I believe what the Bible says, but guess what, I don't treat someone differently just because I don't agree with their lifestyle. That is not my place. I have friends that are gay, lesbian, atheist , Christian, Mormon, Buddhist, all races and religions. They all know my beliefs and respect my beliefs as I do theirs. This is the perfect example of "making a mountain out of a molehill" . If you are comfortable with your way of life and don't think you are somehow doing the wrong thing then why are you so worried about the possibility you " may' be judged. If your gonna choose it, be proud of it, other wise your heart really isn't in it as much as it should be. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and not everyone is going to agree or share the same opinion. That is the beautiful thing about this country. We DONT have to think the way we are told to think. If we did this would be a communist country and NOBODY wants that right?!:noway:
Well said! This explains my thoughts exactly.
and yet people are offended that he was suspended...go figure0 -
Has nothing to do with his rights or whether he was right or wrong. He didn't represent his employer the way they wanted. Gotta play the game.
By the way, what is Duck Dynasty?
I never saw the show and don't plan to see it either, but they are everywhere. It looks like the show is about a bunch of dudes with lots of face hair living somewhere in the middle of the country and running after some ducks in the lake.
I read what Robertson said because it was in the news last night, and it was tasteless and offensive; obviously the guy has not class and his beard is weighting on his brain. Yes, he had the freedom of speech on this side, but sometimes people takes freedoms to unhealthy levels. And as posted in this forum, he was suspended by the network and not persecuted by the government, so the Constitution is safe.
If I remember correctly an anchor was dismissed by CNN few weeks ago for expressing his opinion about Sarah Palin (aka duck dynasty without the beard), and nobody complained much about it. So this is karma.0 -
Yes, he can have an opinion, but in this case, his opinion was bigoted. Good riddance.
Spoken like a true liberal bigot.
Do tell how my post was bigoted. This should be good.
By definition, your intolerance of his opinion/viewpoint makes you a bigot as well.
I don't care about the definition. Being against bigotry doesn't mean you're a bigot. What a dumb statement.
Ah I forgot, you liberals just take any term, change its meaning, then force everyone else to conform to what you want it to mean. Silly me.
Kind of hard to take anyone seriously that claims only liberals can take a term and turn its meaning into whatever they want. Just wanted to throw out there that conservatives do that too just as much :grumble:
Carry on0 -
Yes, he can have an opinion, but in this case, his opinion was bigoted. Good riddance.
Spoken like a true liberal bigot.
Do tell how my post was bigoted. This should be good.
By definition, your intolerance of his opinion/viewpoint makes you a bigot as well.
I don't care about the definition. Being against bigotry doesn't mean you're a bigot. What a dumb statement.
Reread your original statement. I helped you with it. One small nuance can "bigot" your entire "dumb statement"
Oh, for my opinion that I don't care that he isn't on TV anymore, that's bigoted. I get it now....lol. Sorry, if you are a bigot, I don't want you on TV making money. That's not bigotry.0 -
For the record, I am not sorry that I spelled beastiality wrong twice in my earlier post. Sometimes, there are words that it's OK to screw up.0
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A&E isn't the US Government.
Nobody's freedom of speech was impacted. Phil said what he was free to say, and A&E had a response that they are free to have.
Yep - QFT.
He has the right to say what he wants - but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences.0 -
If I remember correctly an anchor was dismissed by CNN few weeks ago for expressing his opinion about Sarah Palin (aka duck dynasty without the beard), and nobody complained much about it. So this is karma.
That anchor said Sarah Palin should be forced to eat feces.
Phil Robertson didn't threaten any kind of violence against anyone.
Just so we're clear on what ACTUALLY happened.0 -
For the record, I am not sorry that I spelled beastiality wrong twice in my earlier post. Sometimes, there are words that it's OK to screw up.
Lol that is definitely one of them. Ick.0 -
my problem stands with why is one person/organizations view considered right or wrong......why is a gay persons view that homosexuality is right ok but his view that its wrong isnt ok.....just seems un-american to me
Amen brotha.
Double Amen
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Freedom of speech... period. The media is saying he compared homosexuality to bestiality which is not what he said. He said he thought homosexuality was a SIN. Then they asked him what else he thought a sin was... that's when he said bestiality, polygamy, being unfaithful to your mate etc.... Despite what he said, it's a matter of opinion. I wonder if he would've been fired if he AGREED with homosexuality?? Probably not. It's a double standard in the media and that's wrong.0
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Yes, he can have an opinion, but in this case, his opinion was bigoted. Good riddance.
Spoken like a true liberal bigot.
Do tell how my post was bigoted. This should be good.
By definition, your intolerance of his opinion/viewpoint makes you a bigot as well.
I don't care about the definition. Being against bigotry doesn't mean you're a bigot. What a dumb statement.
Ah I forgot, you liberals just take any term, change its meaning, then force everyone else to conform to what you want it to mean. Silly me.
Kind of hard to take anyone seriously that claims only liberals can take a term and turn its meaning into whatever they want. Just wanted to throw out there that conservatives do that too just as much :grumble:
Carry on0 -
Violation of his first amendment rights. I hope the rest of the family quits A&E and takes their show elsewhere .
HOLY ****!! THEY ARRESTED PHIL?!?!?!0 -
Freedom of speech... period. The media is saying he compared homosexuality to bestiality which is not what he said. He said he thought homosexuality was a SIN. Then they asked him what else he thought a sin was... that's when he said bestiality, polygamy, being unfaithful to your mate etc.... Despite what he said, it's a matter of opinion. I wonder if he would've been fired if he AGREED with homosexuality?? Probably not. It's a double standard in the media and that's wrong.
That's like asking if you agree with racism or not. Sometimes, there is a right answer.0 -
Did we get 10 pages of reply for the Food Network firing Paula Deen and the idiotic things she said?0
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Did we get 10 pages of reply for the Food Network firing Paula Deen and the idiotic things she said?
Probably even more. That woman loved butter even more than I do.0 -
Did we get 10 pages of reply for the Food Network firing Paula Deen and the idiotic things she said?
As I recall, yeah I think we did.0 -
Did we get 10 pages of reply for the Food Network firing Paula Deen and the idiotic things she said?
and she made delicious buttery food for us to enjoy. Way more relevant than these knuckleheads.0 -
For the record, I am not sorry that I spelled beastiality wrong twice in my earlier post. Sometimes, there are words that it's OK to screw up.
Thanks for clarifying that we can all sleep better now.0 -
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Freedom of speech... period. The media is saying he compared homosexuality to bestiality which is not what he said. He said he thought homosexuality was a SIN. Then they asked him what else he thought a sin was... that's when he said bestiality, polygamy, being unfaithful to your mate etc.... Despite what he said, it's a matter of opinion. I wonder if he would've been fired if he AGREED with homosexuality?? Probably not. It's a double standard in the media and that's wrong.
That's like asking if you agree with racism or not. Sometimes, there is a right answer.
Not really..... racism and sexuality are not the same. My point was that the media is taking what he said and turning it into a hate statement when in reality, he was just answering a question honestly with his honest opinion. I'm SURE there are things said on the show that could be misconstrued that they don't put on TV. I'm tired of the double standard....0 -
Although we may not agree with someone else's opinions, they are just that. I don't agree with what he said but I also don't think he should have been suspended for answering a question. That is how he personally feels. But I also see the other side. He is a public figure (whether he likes it or not) and he should watch his words closely. At that same time - he was exercising his first amendment rights.
Precisely. Christians are expected to be extremely tolerant and yet the rest of the world doesn't feel the need to hold themselves to that same standard. Such a double standard. He merely expressed his personal opinion, not the opinion of the network, and was fired? From a show that documents the lives of a Christian family so you know that's where they stand on the matter. I feel like he was baited. The people on reality shows can do drugs, be promiscuous, violent, and hateful yet not get fired but you can't be a Christian and express your beliefs without being fired.0 -
I am not reading all 9 pages of posts! So if I repeated something, oh well!
Phil Robertson is a great man in my opinion. Very inspiring. He is a Christian. DUH! The christian bible has a view point on homosexuality. He is just sticking up to it. No surprises there! The fact that he answered the question the way he did should be no surprise to anyone. In fact, some may set he was set up, because there are some people that have a predijice towards christianity.
Hats off to Phil for sticking with his beliefs.
Now, does A&E have a right to suspend him? Yup! This is a free market society in America. I believe in free enterprise.
Because of free market and enterprise, I as a consumer have the right to continue toi watch the show or not watch the show because.... I want to or don't want to for whatever reason I feel. I watch the show, watch their advertisements, buy their Chia Pets or Bearded blankets, or D&D bandaids, and they make money. I decide to no longer be a fan of the show, then I can decide to take my money elsewhere. That is my exercise and right!
So? I considered myself a huge fan of D&D. Now A&E made their decision? I can chose to react however I choose. And many other people may decide to continue to watch the show, start watching the show, or stop watching the show. Free market works both ways. So we will see if A&E made the right decision or not by how America and it's fans react. You can say a whole bunch but if you continue to watch the show, then you basically by default agree with A&E's decision and throw Phil Robertson under the bus. Or maybe you don't like what Phil Robertson said and you support what A&E did. Free market!
Now, I know many Christians who watch the show or became really big fans of the show. I would love to see them all put their money where their mouth is and see if all the christian fan base continue to watch the show and buy the products or not. It's a great show. It sucks that politics and predijuices get in the way.
You may say that christians are predijuice against homosexuals. But there are people in general that are predijuice against christianity as well. it works both ways baby. Now is the time for Christians to stand up for what they really believe in and show corporate pansies what they are made of.
Well said! I don't think anyone should stop buying the products because A&E don't make the products , The Robertson family does and that would hurt them. I do however think they should stop watching the show. In fact I think the Robertson family should pull out of the show if they don't want the man that made this all possible. Duck Dynasty was the # 1 most viewed show this year... pulling out or people boycotting A&E would hit them where it hurt. I love Duck Dynasty but I will not watch another episode nor anything else that comes on A&E. The majority of my friends and family have made the same commitment. I am a Christian and I stand by my fellow Christians!
All fellow Christians?0 -
Although we may not agree with someone else's opinions, they are just that. I don't agree with what he said but I also don't think he should have been suspended for answering a question. That is how he personally feels. But I also see the other side. He is a public figure (whether he likes it or not) and he should watch his words closely. At that same time - he was exercising his first amendment rights.
Precisely. Christians are expected to be extremely tolerant and yet the rest of the world doesn't feel the need to hold themselves to that same standard. Such a double standard. He merely expressed his personal opinion, not the opinion of the network, and was fired? From a show that documents the lives of a Christian family so you know that's where they stand on the matter. I feel like he was baited. The people on reality shows can do drugs, be promiscuous, violent, and hateful yet not get fired but you can't be a Christian and express your beliefs without being fired.
Not fired, suspended.
An aside:
You do realize that religious arguments were used to justify slavery and racism in the past. Condemning someone because they were born different than you should not be acceptable regardless of what a 200 year old book translated repeatedly says.0 -
Did we get 10 pages of reply for the Food Network firing Paula Deen and the idiotic things she said?
I was thinking the same thing about lululemon and what the founder said about their yoga pants not being meant for all body types, particularly those people whose thighs rub together...0 -
Freedom of speech... period. The media is saying he compared homosexuality to bestiality which is not what he said. He said he thought homosexuality was a SIN. Then they asked him what else he thought a sin was... that's when he said bestiality, polygamy, being unfaithful to your mate etc.... Despite what he said, it's a matter of opinion. I wonder if he would've been fired if he AGREED with homosexuality?? Probably not. It's a double standard in the media and that's wrong.
That's like asking if you agree with racism or not. Sometimes, there is a right answer.
Not really..... racism and sexuality are not the same. My point was that the media is taking what he said and turning it into a hate statement when in reality, he was just answering a question honestly with his honest opinion. I'm SURE there are things said on the show that could be misconstrued that they don't put on TV. I'm tired of the double standard....
Both are groups that have been discriminated against for something they were born into and had no control over.
All am saying is he is a PUBLIC figure. Public figures have to watch what they say. He said something that many of the world would consider bigoted. It's not the same thing as him expressing his opinion on what flavor soda he likes. He has the right to say it, but A&E has the right to can him for it.0 -
Honestly why does the LGBT community care if Phil Robertson thinks homosexuality is a sin? They are not religious for the most part, and from what I can tell from his comments he is not taking any actions against any individuals in the LGBT community or actively protesting them, or saying they are going to burn in hell. He compares homosexuality to adultery and most adults (myself included) are guilty of this. His point is sin is sin and when it is of the sexual nature it is equally bad in God's eyes. As far as I can tell he himself is not passing judgment on anyone and in fact he says he loves all humanity.
As a christian my beliefs are just that, mine. I do not expect anyone else to conduct themselves in the manner that I believe I should act myself. I, as a christian do think homosexuality is a sin, just like adultery (I am a sinner too) and do not judge anyone based on their actions. I do have friends that are gay and they are great people and I do not judge them based on their actions or hold their sexual preference against them as people.
If I had to guess Phil probably has a similar view point but he did not express it the best way possible but they did ask him for his beliefs. I do not agree with A&E actions but I understand it. The LGBT rights groups are very organized and outspoken and if A&E did nothing it could have led to boycotts, protests, and loss of sponsorship. As a business move this was probably the right move to make because it saves face with the LGBT groups and gives them a boost of publicity.0 -
Happy to help.For the record, I am not sorry that I spelled beastiality wrong twice in my earlier post. Sometimes, there are words that it's OK to screw up.
Thanks for clarifying that we can all sleep better now.0
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