This gallery explains why millions of Americans are obese…
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Aside from this...fast food used to be a special treat 20 years ago. Today its an every meal thing for many. Oh wait...no, it was a special treat about 30-35 years ago. Twenty years ago it was already an every day meal for many.0
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Stinks of Big Government to me. :frown:
Nothing wrong with big government if it does what we want it to do.
...and that's exactly how a huge majority of the German people felt in the 1930's.
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Stinks of Big Government to me. :frown:
Nothing wrong with big government if it does what we want it to do.
...and that's exactly how a huge majority of the German people felt in the 1930's.
:noway:
Actually, many of our wealthiest business people here in America supported the rise of fascism. Not just in spirit, monetarily.0 -
I've ate 5 of these things today already
This is why I keep you around.0 -
right, get the government MORE involved in our lives...because they are already doing such a great job of ruining all the stuff they already control....
Ever read "The Jungle"? Government sucks. No regulations sucks far more.
ever read "the road to serfdom" - government involvement sucks more.
I haven't. I'll check it out.
But nothing will convince me that a return to pre-1940s working and living conditions for the average worker and purchaser is a viable option.
Maybe there is another way that doesn't involve government or corporations that are free to do as they please?
You just want someone else to pay for YOUR food that YOU think is healthy.
Personal responsibility flies right out the window again.0 -
DENVER, Oct. 28, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Sweden has become the first western nation to recommend a lower-carbohydrate higher-fat, diet – in alignment with the Atkins™ approach to eating – as part of an effort to reduce the national prevalence of obesity, diabetes, and to improve markers of heart health. This bold move stems from a literature review of 16,000 studies on diet and obesity, published by Swedish government advisors at the Council on Health Technology Assessment. This published report was released by the Council in September and the Swedish government announcement followed shortly thereafter.[1]
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In addition, advisors to the Swedish government speak to other benefits of an Atkins-like diet that permits higher-fat foods. Those benefits highlighted include both satisfaction and satiety, which are in large part, responsible for greater long-term sustainability. This news also follows suit with research released in the June issue of the British Journal of Nutrition, which showed that a carbohydrate-managed approach, such as the Atkins Diet, is more effective for long-term weight loss and maintenance than a conventional low-fat diet.[2] Investigators on that study also showed that low-carbohydrate diets were both beneficial and safe for the highly-insulin resistant, carbohydrate-intolerant population, who need to keep carbohydrate consumption low long-term.
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right, get the government MORE involved in our lives...because they are already doing such a great job of ruining all the stuff they already control....
Ever read "The Jungle"? Government sucks. No regulations sucks far more.
ever read "the road to serfdom" - government involvement sucks more.
I haven't. I'll check it out.
But nothing will convince me that a return to pre-1940s working and living conditions for the average worker and purchaser is a viable option.
Maybe there is another way that doesn't involve government or corporations that are free to do as they please?
You just want someone else to pay for YOUR food that YOU think is healthy.
Personal responsibility flies right out the window again.
Not at all. I want every worker in America to keep enough of the value of their own labor to be able to afford a healthy diet that will allow them and their children to continue to be productive, healthy people with a high quality of life.
Oh, and I want proper labeling on foods so we know what we're buying. That includes GMO.0 -
Wow, that really gives some perspective.0
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Stinks of Big Government to me. :frown:
Nothing wrong with big government if it does what we want it to do.
But I better get off this part of the topic before I get my posts deleted.
the government that governs best governs least...0 -
Stinks of Big Government to me. :frown:
Nothing wrong with big government if it does what we want it to do.
But I better get off this part of the topic before I get my posts deleted.
the government that governs best governs least...
Tell that to children who lost limbs and lives in meat packing plants before the advent of child labor laws.0 -
Not at all. I want every worker in America to keep enough of the value of their own labor to be able to afford a healthy diet that will allow them and their children to continue to be productive, healthy people with a high quality of life.
ok, so you're in favor of lower taxes then.
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Not at all. I want every worker in America to keep enough of the value of their own labor to be able to afford a healthy diet that will allow them and their children to continue to be productive, healthy people with a high quality of life.
ok, so you're in favor of lower taxes then.
I'm in favor of higher wages and no taxes on wages.0 -
In reply to Justine.
Yeah, that's been posted before. You like lo-carb. We all get that. Have at it. Just quite trying to get someone else to pay for it for you.
And btw, lo-carb does not need to be expensive. If you go all fancy smanzy with the grass-fed/organic meat, then yeah. It can be. But the last time I checked, tuna is still cheap and so are eggs. Both excellent sources of delicious protein.
Sheesh this topic is moving fast. I like that.
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Yeah, that's been posted before. You like lo-carb. We all get that. Have at it. Just quite trying to get someone else to pay for it for you.
And btw, lo-carb does not need to be expensive. If you go all fancy smanzy with the grass-fed/organic meat, then yeah. It can be. But the last time I checked, tuna is still cheap and so are eggs. Both excellent sources of delicious protein.
You're a vegetarian, correct:?
If not, you better check out meat subsidies, because someone is paying for your food, too.0 -
Yeah, that's been posted before. You like lo-carb. We all get that. Have at it. Just quite trying to get someone else to pay for it for you.
And btw, lo-carb does not need to be expensive. If you go all fancy smanzy with the grass-fed/organic meat, then yeah. It can be. But the last time I checked, tuna is still cheap and so are eggs. Both excellent sources of delicious protein.
You're a vegetarian, correct:?
If not, you better check out meat subsidies, because someone is paying for your food, too.
Now you are running out of arguments. The strawman tells the tale. :laugh:0 -
Yeah, that's been posted before. You like lo-carb. We all get that. Have at it. Just quite trying to get someone else to pay for it for you.
And btw, lo-carb does not need to be expensive. If you go all fancy smanzy with the grass-fed/organic meat, then yeah. It can be. But the last time I checked, tuna is still cheap and so are eggs. Both excellent sources of delicious protein.
You're a vegetarian, correct:?
If not, you better check out meat subsidies, because someone is paying for your food, too.
Now you are running out of arguments. The strawman tells the tale. :laugh:
How is that a strawman? You can afford meat because it is subsidized. Unless you are very wealthy or vegetarian that means everyone's tax dollars contributes to your menu.0 -
Yeah, that's been posted before. You like lo-carb. We all get that. Have at it. Just quite trying to get someone else to pay for it for you.
And btw, lo-carb does not need to be expensive. If you go all fancy smanzy with the grass-fed/organic meat, then yeah. It can be. But the last time I checked, tuna is still cheap and so are eggs. Both excellent sources of delicious protein.
You're a vegetarian, correct:?
If not, you better check out meat subsidies, because someone is paying for your food, too.
Now you are running out of arguments. The strawman tells the tale. :laugh:
Oh, and about eggs and tuna: I have never tolerated nor liked fish but I am thinking of trying it again to see if that has changed. As for eggs, I can eat them twice a week, maybe three times. After that things happen to my digestive system. I'll be nice by being vague.0 -
Reading through this thread makes me wonder how much my household spends on groceries versus the average...Hmmm, off to google!0
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Stinks of Big Government to me. :frown:
Nothing wrong with big government if it does what we want it to do.
...and that's exactly how a huge majority of the German people felt in the 1930's.
:noway:
This is false and over simplified.0 -
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You're absolutely right on that. Being thin isn't necessarily a sign of health. But people perceive it as a sign of someone who not only does control their food choices and possibly physical activity, but who also CAN choose it.
And that's my point - I see no evidence that just being thin is being equated with wealth. I see negative reactions to even celebrities that appear to be 'too' thin. I think without the healthy appearance the thinness means little.0 -
Yeah, that's been posted before. You like lo-carb. We all get that. Have at it. Just quite trying to get someone else to pay for it for you.
And btw, lo-carb does not need to be expensive. If you go all fancy smanzy with the grass-fed/organic meat, then yeah. It can be. But the last time I checked, tuna is still cheap and so are eggs. Both excellent sources of delicious protein.
You're a vegetarian, correct:?
If not, you better check out meat subsidies, because someone is paying for your food, too.
Now you are running out of arguments. The strawman tells the tale. :laugh:
How is that a strawman? You can afford meat because it is subsidized. Unless you are very wealthy or vegetarian that means everyone's tax dollars contributes to your menu.
Because I am not the one complaining that I can't afford to eat the foods I choose to eat.
ETA: I am FAR from wealthy. We don't each much meat to be honest. But plenty of cheese and eggs.0 -
Yeah, that's been posted before. You like lo-carb. We all get that. Have at it. Just quite trying to get someone else to pay for it for you.
And btw, lo-carb does not need to be expensive. If you go all fancy smanzy with the grass-fed/organic meat, then yeah. It can be. But the last time I checked, tuna is still cheap and so are eggs. Both excellent sources of delicious protein.
You're a vegetarian, correct:?
If not, you better check out meat subsidies, because someone is paying for your food, too.
Now you are running out of arguments. The strawman tells the tale. :laugh:
How is that a strawman? You can afford meat because it is subsidized. Unless you are very wealthy or vegetarian that means everyone's tax dollars contributes to your menu.
Because I am not the one complaining that I can't afford to eat the foods I choose to eat.
If you eat beef in particular, unless you are rich, you would have to give it up. Kudos to you if you would be willing to do so to end subsidies, but I doubt you'll find many people willing to join you!0 -
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You're absolutely right on that. Being thin isn't necessarily a sign of health. But people perceive it as a sign of someone who not only does control their food choices and possibly physical activity, but who also CAN choose it.
And that's my point - I see no evidence that just being thin is being equated with wealth. I see negative reactions to even celebrities that appear to be 'too' thin. I think without the healthy appearance the thinness means little.
There is a really good documentary in several parts on this.
In one of the segments a woman who works in health and nutrition for the government states that she can tell you accurately the average BMI of a zipcode.
I'm trying to find a link, frustrated that I can't. Before you say it, I know information also plays a role. If you grow up thinking donuts are a food group you might still choose unhealthy foods even if you can afford healthy food. Our education system could help with that, but since it labels pizza as a vegetable now, I don't see much hope.0 -
Yeah, that's been posted before. You like lo-carb. We all get that. Have at it. Just quite trying to get someone else to pay for it for you.
And btw, lo-carb does not need to be expensive. If you go all fancy smanzy with the grass-fed/organic meat, then yeah. It can be. But the last time I checked, tuna is still cheap and so are eggs. Both excellent sources of delicious protein.
You're a vegetarian, correct:?
If not, you better check out meat subsidies, because someone is paying for your food, too.
Now you are running out of arguments. The strawman tells the tale. :laugh:
How is that a strawman? You can afford meat because it is subsidized. Unless you are very wealthy or vegetarian that means everyone's tax dollars contributes to your menu.
Because I am not the one complaining that I can't afford to eat the foods I choose to eat.
If you eat beef in particular, unless you are rich, you would have to give it up. Kudos to you if you would be willing to do so to end subsidies, but I doubt you'll find many people willing to join you!
I'm not going to get sucked into your strawman arguments, Jestinia. *I* am not complaining about the price of 'healthy' foods. I will stand by my personal choices and take responsibility for them. And I can buy very healthy food, even though I am NOT well off. And I would be perfectly FINE with far less government interference in any realm be it food or healthcare (don't get me started on that one).0 -
http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/USDAFoodCost-Home.htm
My household falls between the low cost and the low end of moderate cost plan from week to week.
Now here is a whole new thread!
What kind of diet are YOU on and WHERE do YOU fall?
*insert evil smile here* ;-)
This may help with the cost factor.0 -
Yeah, that's been posted before. You like lo-carb. We all get that. Have at it. Just quite trying to get someone else to pay for it for you.
And btw, lo-carb does not need to be expensive. If you go all fancy smanzy with the grass-fed/organic meat, then yeah. It can be. But the last time I checked, tuna is still cheap and so are eggs. Both excellent sources of delicious protein.
You're a vegetarian, correct:?
If not, you better check out meat subsidies, because someone is paying for your food, too.
Now you are running out of arguments. The strawman tells the tale. :laugh:
How is that a strawman? You can afford meat because it is subsidized. Unless you are very wealthy or vegetarian that means everyone's tax dollars contributes to your menu.
Because I am not the one complaining that I can't afford to eat the foods I choose to eat.
If you eat beef in particular, unless you are rich, you would have to give it up. Kudos to you if you would be willing to do so to end subsidies, but I doubt you'll find many people willing to join you!
I'm not going to get sucked into your strawman arguments, Jestinia. *I* am not complaining about the price of 'healthy' foods. I will stand by my personal choices and take responsibility for them. And I can buy very healthy food, even though I am NOT well off. And I would be perfectly FINE with far less government interference in any realm be it food or healthcare (don't get me started on that one).
But your tax dollars will still pay to treat the medical problems of those who can't afford healthy food. Unless you advocate throwing them out of the hospital to die.
But I admit, I'm getting waaaaay off topic here. Suffice to say, let us agree to disagree.0 -
http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/USDAFoodCost-Home.htm
My household falls between the low cost and the low end of moderate cost plan from week to week.
Now here is a whole new thread!
What kind of diet are YOU on and WHERE do YOU fall?
*insert evil smile here* ;-)
This may help with the cost factor.
I already listed my two diets. Gaining weight on the cheaper one and losing weight on the healthier, more expensive one. *innocent smile*0 -
<snip - shortened for brevity>
You're absolutely right on that. Being thin isn't necessarily a sign of health. But people perceive it as a sign of someone who not only does control their food choices and possibly physical activity, but who also CAN choose it.
And that's my point - I see no evidence that just being thin is being equated with wealth. I see negative reactions to even celebrities that appear to be 'too' thin. I think without the healthy appearance the thinness means little.
There is a really good documentary in several parts on this.
In one of the segments a woman who works in health and nutrition for the government states that she can tell you accurately the average BMI of a zipcode.
I'm trying to find a link, frustrated that I can't. Before you say it, I know information also plays a role. If you grow up thinking donuts are a food group you might still choose unhealthy foods even if you can afford healthy food. Our education system could help with that, but since it labels pizza as a vegetable now, I don't see much hope.
Do you not realize that documentaries are propaganda driven? :noway: So you found some people who think like you do, who made a 'documentary'. I could probably find just as many that appose that viewpoint if I wanted to. But I don't watch social comment documentaries because I know they are skewed and biased.0 -
<snip - shortened for brevity>
You're absolutely right on that. Being thin isn't necessarily a sign of health. But people perceive it as a sign of someone who not only does control their food choices and possibly physical activity, but who also CAN choose it.
And that's my point - I see no evidence that just being thin is being equated with wealth. I see negative reactions to even celebrities that appear to be 'too' thin. I think without the healthy appearance the thinness means little.
There is a really good documentary in several parts on this.
In one of the segments a woman who works in health and nutrition for the government states that she can tell you accurately the average BMI of a zipcode.
I'm trying to find a link, frustrated that I can't. Before you say it, I know information also plays a role. If you grow up thinking donuts are a food group you might still choose unhealthy foods even if you can afford healthy food. Our education system could help with that, but since it labels pizza as a vegetable now, I don't see much hope.
Do you not realize that documentaries are propaganda driven? :noway: So you found some people who think like you do, who made a 'documentary'. I could probably find just as many that appose that viewpoint if I wanted to. But I don't watch social comment documentaries because I know they are skewed and biased.
I am not willing to concede all documentaries are propaganda driven, but if by 'propaganda' you mean 'obviously created to highlight a specific issue that the creators think it is vital for society to solve' yes, this is a propaganda piece, no doubt about it. Doesn't mean it isn't informative and well researched.
Peer reviewed: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1636719/
Results
The spatial distribution of fast food restaurants and supermarkets that provide options for meeting recommended dietary intake differed according to racial distribution and poverty rates. Mixed-race or white high-poverty areas and all African American areas (regardless of income) were less likely than predominantly white higher-income communities to have access to foods that enable individuals to make healthy choices.
Conclusion
Without access to healthy food choices, individuals cannot make positive changes to their diets. If certain eating behaviors are required to reduce chronic disease and promote health, then some communities will continue to have disparities in critical health outcomes unless we increase access to healthy food.0 -
http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/USDAFoodCost-Home.htm
My household falls between the low cost and the low end of moderate cost plan from week to week.
Now here is a whole new thread!
What kind of diet are YOU on and WHERE do YOU fall?
*insert evil smile here* ;-)
This may help with the cost factor.
I already listed my two diets. Gaining weight on the cheaper one and losing weight on the healthier, more expensive one. *innocent smile*
Oh dear, I know.
That wasn't aimed toward you. But I'm just curious in general about the argument that lack of money contributes to how one eats.
Fyi:
- I grew up in poverty. I'm the overweight person in my family @ 5'5 and 158. Everybody else weighs no more than 130
- I was once a vegetarian for 2 years, and then a vegan for 2 years, and even a vegan chef. My doctors advised me to stop because of my epilepsy and sugar, carb intake, and the battle of my vitamins versus my medication (I have epilepsy)
-So I am now on a doctor advised Keto diet. While my fiance is...not.
So, the whole topic intrigues me, and for many reasons0
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