This gallery explains why millions of Americans are obese…
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"The Jungle" was about food adulteration in the early 20th century.
Food is still being adulterated in the 21st century.
Food scientists formulate a new food to create cravings for their company's products.
Ninety percent of processed foods on the supermarket shelves
contain added sugar. Look in the ingredient lists for the additives
ending in '-ose', which indicate forms of sugar.
Many supermarket foods also contain hidden gluten,
which can also cause cravings.
Is it possible to find ANY item of packaged food
without High Fructose Corn Syrup? Before I began this journey in July,
a food containing HFCS, could make me want to eat
an entire package of something, because it tasted so great.
Jacques Peretti, a BBC correspondent, made two informative
three-part TV series about the modern food industry:
' The Men Who Made Us Fat ' deals with the evolution of food scientists and
manufacturers coming up with better profits for themselves with"Super-Sizing";
' The Men Who Made Us Thin' deals with the lucrative business
of helping people pay great amounts of money on weight-loss schemes
which prove ineffective in the long run.
Public outcry is effective. Some foods are being marketed to children no longer
include HFCS and artificial colorings.
Best wishes, people.
Let's help others become healthier!0 -
"The Jungle" was about food adulteration in the early 20th century.
Food is still being adulterated in the 21st century.
Food scientists formulate a new food to create cravings for their company's products.
Ninety percent of processed foods on the supermarket shelves
contain added sugar. Look in the ingredient lists for the additives
ending in '-ose', which indicate forms of sugar.
Many supermarket foods also contain hidden gluten,
which can also cause cravings.
Is it possible to find ANY item of packaged food
without High Fructose Corn Syrup? Before I began this journey in July,
a food containing HFCS, could make me want to eat
an entire package of something, because it tasted so great.
Jacques Peretti, a BBC correspondent, made two informative
three-part TV series about the modern food industry:
' The Men Who Made Us Fat ' deals with the evolution of food scientists and
manufacturers coming up with better profits for themselves with"Super-Sizing";
' The Men Who Made Us Thin' deals with the lucrative business
of helping people pay great amounts of money on weight-loss schemes
which prove ineffective in the long run.
Public outcry is effective. Some foods are being marketed to children no longer
include HFCS and artificial colorings.
Best wishes, people.
Let's help others become healthier!
it looks like you've bought into the propaganda hook, line, and sinker.
the more i read the MFP forums, the less hope i have for the future of mankind. :frown:0 -
"The Jungle" was about food adulteration in the early 20th century.
No, it is not, it is a portrayal of immigrant life in America at the turn of the 20th century, part of which just happens to occur in a slaughterhouse (one of the few places immigrants could find work).
It's a sad reflection that so many have forgotten the humans in the book, in favour of the incidental animals.0 -
"The Jungle" was about food adulteration in the early 20th century.
Food is still being adulterated in the 21st century.
Food scientists formulate a new food to create cravings for their company's products.
Ninety percent of processed foods on the supermarket shelves
contain added sugar. Look in the ingredient lists for the additives
ending in '-ose', which indicate forms of sugar.
Many supermarket foods also contain hidden gluten,
which can also cause cravings.
Is it possible to find ANY item of packaged food
without High Fructose Corn Syrup? Before I began this journey in July,
a food containing HFCS, could make me want to eat
an entire package of something, because it tasted so great.
Jacques Peretti, a BBC correspondent, made two informative
three-part TV series about the modern food industry:
' The Men Who Made Us Fat ' deals with the evolution of food scientists and
manufacturers coming up with better profits for themselves with"Super-Sizing";
' The Men Who Made Us Thin' deals with the lucrative business
of helping people pay great amounts of money on weight-loss schemes
which prove ineffective in the long run.
Public outcry is effective. Some foods are being marketed to children no longer
include HFCS and artificial colorings.
Best wishes, people.
Let's help others become healthier!
puts on tin foil hat and heads to the basement!
were the "men who made us fat" the third shooter on the grassy knoll?0 -
False.
This 'gallery' assumes that every single fat American lives on fast food, which is not true.0 -
"The Jungle" was about food adulteration in the early 20th century.
No, it is not, it is a portrayal of immigrant life in America at the turn of the 20th century, part of which just happens to occur in a slaughterhouse (one of the few places immigrants could find work).
It's a sad reflection that so many have forgotten the humans in the book, in favour of the incidental animals.
Not really, it was only superficially about immigrant life. Upton Sinclair was a 'muckraker' who wrote the novel to expose corporate corruption and promote socialist values by showing how the plight of the poor contrasted with the corruption of the rich. It was first published in serial form in a socialist news paper. The socialist side of the story got downplayed by the time of the Red Scare and so many kiddies didn't get that part of the analysis in their high school English classes. I'm not knocking it for being socialist. I am probably more socialist than 90% of the people on here. I just think historical context is important. That said, I agree the piece wasn't written to expose food contamination. Food contamination was just a vehicle that Sinclair could use to tie the social issues to the lives of most Americans.0 -
Not really, it was only superficially about immigrant life.
Plot: immigrant life.
Purpose: advancement of his political ideology.
I don't see it as either-or. What it is about is a different question than what it is for.0 -
I did a little reading on subsidies. Turns out virtually everything we eat is subsidized. Sugar, corn (corn syrup), animal feed for meat, wheat, and lots of other food items.
But not fruits and vegetables.
The article I read stated that the reason these aren't subsidized is that growers of fruits and vegetables don't want subsidized farmers coming in and trying their hand at it, thus driving down prices.
Well I can understand their concern, but when we have a society that subsidizes the unhealthy foods and doesn't subsidize one of the healthiest foods, we have a huge problem.0 -
"The Jungle" was about food adulteration in the early 20th century.
No, it is not, it is a portrayal of immigrant life in America at the turn of the 20th century, part of which just happens to occur in a slaughterhouse (one of the few places immigrants could find work).
It's a sad reflection that so many have forgotten the humans in the book, in favour of the incidental animals.
He said he aimed for the heart and hit the stomach.
Sad that we haven't taken ALL of the lessons from that book to heart and stomach.0 -
right, get the government MORE involved in our lives...because they are already doing such a great job of ruining all the stuff they already control....
Ever read "The Jungle"? Government sucks. No regulations sucks far more.
I think it's funny that everyone always wants to talk about "The Jungle" when we bring up food and safety regulations. (Yes, I am aware that the establishment of the FDA was almost a direct result of this book.) Sinclair's actual intent with this work was to point out how exploited the average factory worker was back in the day, but the common takeaway is, "Omg, that's what happens to my food before it's packed?! Groooossssss!" There's never any thought or consideration beyond that--i.e. working conditions, secondary consequences, etc.
In other news, this thread is all over the place with its wild tangents and things. It's been an interesting read.
That is the creepiest thing I have ever seen. Make it stop!0 -
its not governments job to make someone healthy or not…if person A wants to work out and eat healthy fine; and if person b wants to eat ding dongs and sit on the couch all day than that is fine too…personal choice and personal responsibility..but I guess these are concepts that are 'old fashioned' now a days…
and I sure as hell don't want my tax dollars going to "teach" people how to be healthy or tell them what food to eat...
But it is the job of government to subsidize or not, depending on what society needs (or it should be depending on our needs and not corporate needs). It is also their job to create and enforce sensible laws, such as proper labeling of our food.0 -
Not really, it was only superficially about immigrant life.
Plot: immigrant life.
Purpose: advancement of his political ideology.
I don't see it as either-or. What it is about is a different question than what it is for.
Well if you are going to say the plot is immigrant life then the other poster can probably say the plot is about food contamination since there is nearly as much about that in the novel as there is immigrants. Also, the novel ended up being more successful in changing government oversight of food processing and worker safety than it was in changing the status of immigrants in America. Regardless, I still personally agree that food contamination was not the real inspiration for the novel.0 -
WOW!!!
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I think it's the other way around decrease in the amount of food and increase in the amount of calories cause mcdonalds big mac looks like a biscuit. I don't eat the food because I'm a vegan but my best friend chows down on it!!!!0 -
"The Jungle" was about food adulteration in the early 20th century.
Food is still being adulterated in the 21st century.
Food scientists formulate a new food to create cravings for their company's products.
Ninety percent of processed foods on the supermarket shelves
contain added sugar. Look in the ingredient lists for the additives
ending in '-ose', which indicate forms of sugar.
Many supermarket foods also contain hidden gluten,
which can also cause cravings.
Is it possible to find ANY item of packaged food
without High Fructose Corn Syrup? Before I began this journey in July,
a food containing HFCS, could make me want to eat
an entire package of something, because it tasted so great.
Jacques Peretti, a BBC correspondent, made two informative
three-part TV series about the modern food industry:
' The Men Who Made Us Fat ' deals with the evolution of food scientists and
manufacturers coming up with better profits for themselves with"Super-Sizing";
' The Men Who Made Us Thin' deals with the lucrative business
of helping people pay great amounts of money on weight-loss schemes
which prove ineffective in the long run.
Public outcry is effective. Some foods are being marketed to children no longer
include HFCS and artificial colorings.
Best wishes, people.
Let's help others become healthier!
puts on tin foil hat and heads to the basement!
were the "men who made us fat" the third shooter on the grassy knoll?
*Lights a cigarette*
*Walks up to you and stands around waving it at you while smoking it*
You don't mind, of course, all that talk about tobacco and cancer is a load of crap.
*Walks away to stand and smoke over someone's infant*0 -
fail. :laugh:
blurry pictures of food don't make people fat.
silly clean eating propaganda is silly.
The op isn't posting about clean eating, they're posting about portion size.0 -
Who is is say people 20 years ago weren't just eating two servings of the smaller portions?0
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Who is is say people 20 years ago weren't just eating two servings of the smaller portions?
Well I and the other people who were around 20 years ago might have some insight there
Actually, I can pretty clearly remember the 90's as a period when portion sizes shot up. It was pretty obvious then with many of the big national restaurant chains exploding across the country. In my memory it was places like Chilis, Red Lobster, Olive Garden and the like with big plates and all you can eat specials that seemed to start a portion size arms race. My family was not beyond selecting return units on the merits of their huge portions and the ability to take something home when you left. However, it wasn't long before we adapted and meals just took longer to consume and less was coming home for the next day's lunch. It is funny to think back on it.0 -
This thread has been very interesting. So many different thoughts and views on the subject of portion size and its relation to obesity, and other related topics. Something I would like to add to the discussion. Its true that poverty and education about diet are directly related to obesity. Many areas in the inner cities have no access to good grocery stores, and many may have daily meals of Chinese take out, McD's, and Burger King. Obviously, we are all personally responsible for what we choose to eat. But if your choices are very limited by locality, or lack of education about choosing healthy meals, its easy to see why so many became obese.I would venture to say that all of us are here on Fitness Pal to get healthier, lose weight, etc. That resolve in and of itself takes a certain drive and initiative that not all possess.
I also find it interesting that some are quick to point to some documentaries as "propaganda". But if we are truly honest, every single thing in the media is propaganda of some form. Every. Single. Thing. Hollywood movies, Yahoo news articles, and the various news channels all have a certain bias or "spin". It is up to us to wade through this massive sea of information, and do the research, read between the lines and decide for ourselves what we can and will believe about certain things.0 -
"The Jungle" was about food adulteration in the early 20th century.
Food is still being adulterated in the 21st century.
Food scientists formulate a new food to create cravings for their company's products.
Ninety percent of processed foods on the supermarket shelves
contain added sugar. Look in the ingredient lists for the additives
ending in '-ose', which indicate forms of sugar.
Many supermarket foods also contain hidden gluten,
which can also cause cravings.
Is it possible to find ANY item of packaged food
without High Fructose Corn Syrup? Before I began this journey in July,
a food containing HFCS, could make me want to eat
an entire package of something, because it tasted so great.
Jacques Peretti, a BBC correspondent, made two informative
three-part TV series about the modern food industry:
' The Men Who Made Us Fat ' deals with the evolution of food scientists and
manufacturers coming up with better profits for themselves with"Super-Sizing";
' The Men Who Made Us Thin' deals with the lucrative business
of helping people pay great amounts of money on weight-loss schemes
which prove ineffective in the long run.
Public outcry is effective. Some foods are being marketed to children no longer
include HFCS and artificial colorings.
Best wishes, people.
Let's help others become healthier!
That was a really nice try, but...
Food scientists formulate a new food to create cravings for their company's products.
I supposed you learned that from a 'documentary'? Conspiracy theorists have little credible evidence, but that doesn't stop them from spreading lies.
Ninety percent of processed foods on the supermarket shelves
contain added sugar.
There is nothing wrong with added sugar. We have been adding sugar to food for eons to make it taste better. You don't want it? Fine. Read labels and don't buy what has sugar in it. No nefarious plots to be seen here. BTW, where does the 90% come from? Solid research? No, probably some number someone pulled out of their bottom.
Many supermarket foods also contain hidden gluten,
which can also cause cravings.
It has been scientifically proven that gluten is a problem if you have celiacs or other intolerance. This is the first time I have heard it called 'addictive'. :laugh:
Is it possible to find ANY item of packaged food
without High Fructose Corn Syrup?
High fructose corn syrup is simply sugar. Your body can't tell the difference.
Jacques Peretti, a BBC correspondent, made two informative
three-part TV series about the modern food industry:
' The Men Who Made Us Fat ' deals with the evolution of food scientists and
manufacturers coming up with better profits for themselves with"Super-Sizing";
' The Men Who Made Us Thin' deals with the lucrative business
of helping people pay great amounts of money on weight-loss schemes
which prove ineffective in the long run.
Wooo, let me grab my tinfoil hat! Are we sure it wasn't the MIB who 'made' us either fat or thin?
No one is cramming food down people's throats. I get that it's comforting to shift the burden of one's health and weight off one's own shoulders, but here we are back at personal responsibility for what we put down our pie holes, and how much exercise we get.0 -
Who is is say people 20 years ago weren't just eating two servings of the smaller portions?
Well I and the other people who were around 20 years ago might have some insight there
Actually, I can pretty clearly remember the 90's as a period when portion sizes shot up. It was pretty obvious then with many of the big national restaurant chains exploding across the country. In my memory it was places like Chilis, Red Lobster, Olive Garden and the like with big plates and all you can eat specials that seemed to start a portion size arms race. My family was not beyond selecting return units on the merits of their huge portions and the ability to take something home when you left. However, it wasn't long before we adapted and meals just took longer to consume and less was coming home for the next day's lunch. It is funny to think back on it.
:huh: What makes you think I can't remember being 12?
People are obese for a variety of reasons including but not limited to: being uneducated about proper nutrition, having limited access to whole, fresh foods, living poverty, having an underlying psychological issues, and ALSO having access to excess.
This gallery explains nothing, in and of itself -- it's not comparing what people actually ate then vs. now. It's comparing portion sizes given by resturants.0 -
Who is is say people 20 years ago weren't just eating two servings of the smaller portions?
Well I and the other people who were around 20 years ago might have some insight there
Actually, I can pretty clearly remember the 90's as a period when portion sizes shot up. It was pretty obvious then with many of the big national restaurant chains exploding across the country. In my memory it was places like Chilis, Red Lobster, Olive Garden and the like with big plates and all you can eat specials that seemed to start a portion size arms race. My family was not beyond selecting return units on the merits of their huge portions and the ability to take something home when you left. However, it wasn't long before we adapted and meals just took longer to consume and less was coming home for the next day's lunch. It is funny to think back on it.
:huh: What makes you think I can't remember being 12?
People are obese for a variety of reasons including but not limited to: being uneducated about proper nutrition, having limited access to whole, fresh foods, living poverty, having an underlying psychological issues, and ALSO having access to excess.
This gallery explains nothing, in and of itself -- it's not comparing what people actually ate then vs. now. It's comparing portion sizes given by resturants.
I never said you couldn't remember being 12, but I was probably a bit more aware of the changes occurring in the market place as an adult than you were as a child given I had more prior decades to compare against. However, it was never my intent to claim anything about your age, I was just relaying some anecdotes of my personal experience.
That said, now that you bring up the point, I do find your reaction to the serving size gallery a bit strange. To say in your first sentence that nutrition education and access to excess are important and then to say that serving sizes explain nothing about obesity defies logic. Does something need to have 100% explanatory power to be worthy of consideration your book? Because if that is your criterion you must be awfully disappointed with our understanding of the world overall. Statistical explanation just doesn't work that way. What does explain anything in and of itself? It is also a strange criterion, because the gallery in question is obviously not a scientific publication, it is painfully obvious that it is just a heuristic tool that portrays how serving sizes of common food items have changed over time. Do you really think that people have not increased their consumption, on average, with increasing serving sizes? Studies show they definitely have, along with decreased their exercise levels. Those thing don't obviate one another.0 -
The problem with the gallery is it doesn't actually show what it claims to show. The portion sizes 20 years ago are the same as they are today. In many cases portion sizes 20 years ago were BIGGER than they are today.
It's based completely on 100% false information.0 -
.. I like comparisons like these. Thanks for sharing OP.0
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The problem with the gallery is it doesn't actually show what it claims to show. The portion sizes 20 years ago are the same as they are today. In many cases portion sizes 20 years ago were BIGGER than they are today.
It based completely on 100% false information.
Why do you say this? Where do you get your data? I do admit this diagram is perhaps getting a bit dated and that restraint serving sizes probably started creeping up even a bit before the 90s, but I don't remember super sizing, stuffed crust pizza or all you can eat breadsticks from my early adulthood.0 -
Even when they are completely made up and not real?.. I like comparisons like these. Thanks for sharing OP.0 -
McDonald's launched supersize fries and drinks in 1993. Even before that, they still sold 16, 21, and 32 oz sodas, just like today. They sold quarter pounders and double quarter pounders, just like today. Wendy's still sold their 3/4 pound triple 20 years ago. A local Italian restaurant my mom took me to sold Caesar salads in bowls the size of hubcaps (yes, 20 years ago.)The problem with the gallery is it doesn't actually show what it claims to show. The portion sizes 20 years ago are the same as they are today. In many cases portion sizes 20 years ago were BIGGER than they are today.
It based completely on 100% false information.
Why do you say this? Where do you get your data? I do admit this diagram is perhaps getting a bit dated and that restraint serving sizes probably started creeping up even a bit before the 90s, but I don't remember super sizing, stuffed crust pizza or all you can eat breadsticks from my early adulthood.
None of these things are new. In fact, many portion sizes have decreased over the last 5 years or so.0 -
Even when they are completely made up and not real?.. I like comparisons like these. Thanks for sharing OP.
The calories and ounces comparison....0 -
Those are mostly wrong, too. It's pretty much a bunch of pictures with made up numbers.
Even when they are completely made up and not real?.. I like comparisons like these. Thanks for sharing OP.
The calories and ounces comparison....0 -
Those are mostly wrong, too. It's pretty much a bunch of pictures with made up numbers.
Even when they are completely made up and not real?.. I like comparisons like these. Thanks for sharing OP.
The calories and ounces comparison....
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