Holy sexism, batman!

whitebalance

Well, since the women in this thread have been informed multiple times how not to be harassed (when the logical answer is "Men should not harass women") the tables have been turned. Sure, the logical answer should be "Women shouldn't make false claims of rape" but, instead, we're going to tell men not to have sex with women they don't trust or with women who are incapacitated in any way. Sound fair to you?

seems fair.

Yup, that's part of what I taught my son from the age of 13 or so. Since he also had combat skills and was a teetotaler, he was the go-to guy to escort drunk girls safely back to their dorm rooms from campus parties. I understand a few of them were very grateful for his reactions to their behavior, once they sobered up.

It's about personal responsibility. Nothing more, nothing less. The only behavior you can ever really control is your own.

whitebalance

To exude power over another does not require a specific gender formula nor a rating of hot or not. That is one of the biggest misconceptions about being attacked or sexually assaulted. Sounds like they were seeking to victimize someone they deemed weak. I am glad that you were not harmed!

Well stated.

Mrsallypants

I would also like to point out that false accusations of rape are very rare. And that unreported rapes are fairly common.

And you know this how? :huh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#FBI_statistics

FBI statistics say unfounded accusations of rape (which is false accusations AND accusations where there is little evidence) is 8%.

The FBI is interesting, but here is a link that alludes to many studies (police stats can be sloppy): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

The statistics vary greatly.

wiscck

I would also like to point out that false accusations of rape are very rare. And that unreported rapes are fairly common.

And you know this how? :huh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#FBI_statistics

FBI statistics say unfounded accusations of rape (which is false accusations AND accusations where there is little evidence) is 8%.

What are the statistics on unreported rapes, specifically the ones that clearly indicate that they are 'fairly common?'

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates
60% will go unreported.

Myhaloslipped

I'll bet that those catcalling dudes don't even lift!

WhoHa42

When you get into guessing the numbers of unreported crimes it's exactly that... a guess. Also LOL at people using wikipedia as a source.

There will be a lot of edits so I can fit everything in one post.

Also Joy saves yet another thread with the perfect gif lol

Once again, everyone knows that rape and harassment are wrong. Telling people not to do it isn't going to stop them. So the people giving advice on being more confident an how to protect yourself are far more practical than the people saying "well they shouldn't have to do that"

Mrsallypants

With the Kanin and Mcdowell studies (and their criticisms), and the FBI stat for when the feminist Brownmiller (the 70's) exclaimed her notorious 2% claim, I would say the rate for false accusations are unknown. With the ideological bias today when it comes to trying to figure out if false rape accusations are false or not, and when police rarely charge those who do falsely accuse...good luck.

Police stats or UCR stats are not reliable. This questions will have to be answered with perhaps a survey despite the many problems of a victimization survey.

False accusations could very well by 50%.

RllyGudTweetr

I would also like to point out that false accusations of rape are very rare. And that unreported rapes are fairly common.

And you know this how? :huh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#FBI_statistics

FBI statistics say unfounded accusations of rape (which is false accusations AND accusations where there is little evidence) is 8%.

What are the statistics on unreported rapes, specifically the ones that clearly indicate that they are 'fairly common?'

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates
60% will go unreported.

I'm fascinated to learn how they accurately compile statistics on crimes that aren't reported. . . particularly when one considers the variable claims on the reported numbers.

Mrsallypants

When you get into guessing the numbers of unreported crimes it's exactly that... a guess. Also LOL at people using wikipedia as a source.

Wikipedia is a terrible source to assert any point as it can be leftist slanted, but it does have references to some studies. Probably the majority of those studies being bad, but it is a start. A very weak start.

WhoHa42

When you get into guessing the numbers of unreported crimes it's exactly that... a guess. Also LOL at people using wikipedia as a source.

Wikipedia is a terrible source to assert any point as it can be leftist slanted, but it does have references to some studies. Probably the majority of those studies being bad, but it is a start. A very weak start.

It was the fact that both sides of the argument were using the same website (which can be edited by anyone) to get drastically different statistics that made me laugh.

WhoHa42

One more thing, why do feminists hate men's rights activists so much? As we've talked about before in this thread men's rights in the judicial system are almost non-existent when the trial is against a woman in certain cases such as divorce and rape accusations.

wiscck

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2009/10/how_often_do_women_falsely_cry_rape.2.html

This debunks the low (2%) number and the high (40-90%) number and comes up with 8-10% of rapes being falsely reported.

And again, this includes women who falsely accused a specific man of rape, women who said they were raped (but didn't give a name) but weren't, and reported rapes that have little to no evidence.

wiscck

Still pretty rare. That means that by far most reported rapes are not false reports.

WhoHa42

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2009/10/how_often_do_women_falsely_cry_rape.2.html

This debunks the low (2%) number and the high (40-90%) number and comes up with 8-10% of rapes being falsely reported.

And again, this includes women who falsely accused a specific man of rape, women who said they were raped (but didn't give a name) but weren't, and reported rapes that have little to no evidence.

Is this a reputable site? Serious question, I've never heard of it before. I was always taught to use sources from peer reviewed articles.

wiscck

http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/the_voice_vol_3_no_1_2009.pdf

This is from the National Center for Prosecution of Violence Against Women. It's a long, but interesting read. And, actually most false reports are women saying "I was raped" but not naming a rapist. So of that 8-10% of false reports, a minority of them are women saying a specific man raped her.

wiscck

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2009/10/how_often_do_women_falsely_cry_rape.2.html

This debunks the low (2%) number and the high (40-90%) number and comes up with 8-10% of rapes being falsely reported.

And again, this includes women who falsely accused a specific man of rape, women who said they were raped (but didn't give a name) but weren't, and reported rapes that have little to no evidence.

Is this a reputable site? Serious question, I've never heard of it before. I was always taught to use sources from peer reviewed articles.

I don't have access to JSTOR any more.

Mrsallypants

The Slate article is pretty slanted; Slate tends to be leftist (feminist).

Kanin had two samples, one in a small midwestern town where a polygraph was used (if polygraph produces false positives), and one at a university where a polygraph wasn't used. - false reporting rape rate was the same in both samples.

Not really sure why the McDowell study is rarely analyzed: http://www.mediaradar.org/mcdowell_kanin_credible.php.

Occasionally you come across oddly high false rape stats like here (30%): http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-md-ci-rapes-20100519,0,5338041.story?page=1&track=rss

In Ottawa (31%): http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/02/31-percent-of-all-sexual-assault-claims.html

WhoHa42

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2009/10/how_often_do_women_falsely_cry_rape.2.html

This debunks the low (2%) number and the high (40-90%) number and comes up with 8-10% of rapes being falsely reported.

And again, this includes women who falsely accused a specific man of rape, women who said they were raped (but didn't give a name) but weren't, and reported rapes that have little to no evidence.

Is this a reputable site? Serious question, I've never heard of it before. I was always taught to use sources from peer reviewed articles.

I don't have access to JSTOR any more.

Ah ok. I'm actually reading an article from 2006 on JSTOR right now. About halfway through but from what I've read so far it's around 10% for "false allegations", this does not include cases that were withdrawn or cases that actually went through in court (which does happen from time to time).

I'll be back with more once I finish it.

Edit: Here's a chart used in the article that I just got to. These are the results of other studies on the subject.

WhoHa42

One last thing before I get back to reading.

This shows how significant false rape claims are compared to false murder and other crimes.

Mrsallypants

One last thing before I get back to reading.

This shows how significant false rape claims are compared to false murder and other crimes.

wow