If it is simply calories in and out...
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I don't believe in measurements of size or distance because we are not all the same exact number of centimeters in height.0
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In for circling the drain.
So in...0 -
Hey!
That's not nice. Where are my supports and motivations?
I know the tonging was threatened for someone else, but
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Hey! That's not nice. Where are my supports and motivations?
I know the tonging was threatened for someone else, but
How dare you try to hijack my tonging? 0 -
Hey! That's not nice. Where are my supports and motivations?
I know the tonging was threatened for someone else, but
How dare you try to hijack my tonging?
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Why do I feel this thread is about to go swirling down the Porcelain Bowl of Pedantry?
I like you.
Yup it went down that bowl the minute someone brought up starvation mode and about how our bodies use different types of calories.0 -
All I saw was "in and out"
and I was hooked.0 -
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Because we don't all eat/exercise at the same rate. :huh:
So using that logic, no exercise and equal calories = same weight gain/loss for each persons?
Different muscle mass, different lifestyles, slight variations in hormone levels and such...
Therefore not simply calories in/out, no?
Yes, it still comes down to calories in/out. It is just how to accurately obtain an accurate caloric requirement that is the issue.
Its not that simple, as in/out then, is it?
For example:
Metabolic rates - Two people, identical height and weight and muscle mass.
Different metabolic rate thro hormone levels. Same calories would result in different weight gains/losses.
If it was simply in/out, you would just need height/weight/age/sex and would be able to say what they need. Indeed, some people are more sensitive to carbs than others, for example and lose fat or gain muscle in a harder/easier manner than others.
No, Metobolic rate is part of the cals out side if the equation.
Also if you eat more protein vs carb they take more cals to breakdow, again this would be on the cals out side of the equation.0 -
Why do I feel this thread is about to go swirling down the Porcelain Bowl of Pedantry?
"Porcelain Bowl of Pedantry"? Totally stealing this. Not even gonna be sneaky about it.0 -
All I saw was "in and out"
and I was hooked.
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Because we don't all eat/exercise at the same rate. :huh:
So using that logic, no exercise and equal calories = same weight gain/loss for each persons?
Different muscle mass, different lifestyles, slight variations in hormone levels and such...
Therefore not simply calories in/out, no?
Yes, it still comes down to calories in/out. It is just how to accurately obtain an accurate caloric requirement that is the issue.
Its not that simple, as in/out then, is it?
For example:
Metabolic rates - Two people, identical height and weight and muscle mass.
Different metabolic rate thro hormone levels. Same calories would result in different weight gains/losses.
If it was simply in/out, you would just need height/weight/age/sex and would be able to say what they need. Indeed, some people are more sensitive to carbs than others, for example and lose fat or gain muscle in a harder/easier manner than others.
No, Metobolic rate is part of the cals out side if the equation.
Also if you eat more protein vs carb they take more cals to breakdow, again this would be on the cals out side of the equation.
Unfortunately the difference between energy required to metabolize a protein calorie vs a carbohydrate calorie is so infinitesimally small, it makes no significant difference.0 -
Hey! That's not nice. Where are my supports and motivations?
I know the tonging was threatened for someone else, but
How dare you try to hijack my tonging?
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Why do I feel this thread is about to go swirling down the Porcelain Bowl of Pedantry?
I like you.
Yup it went down that bowl the minute someone brought up starvation mode and about how our bodies use different types of calories.
I'm not entirely certain you understand what the word "pedantry" means.0 -
Because we don't all eat/exercise at the same rate. :huh:
So using that logic, no exercise and equal calories = same weight gain/loss for each persons?
Different muscle mass, different lifestyles, slight variations in hormone levels and such...
Therefore not simply calories in/out, no?
Yes, it still comes down to calories in/out. It is just how to accurately obtain an accurate caloric requirement that is the issue.
Its not that simple, as in/out then, is it?
For example:
Metabolic rates - Two people, identical height and weight and muscle mass.
Different metabolic rate thro hormone levels. Same calories would result in different weight gains/losses.
If it was simply in/out, you would just need height/weight/age/sex and would be able to say what they need. Indeed, some people are more sensitive to carbs than others, for example and lose fat or gain muscle in a harder/easier manner than others.
No, Metobolic rate is part of the cals out side if the equation.
Also if you eat more protein vs carb they take more cals to breakdow, again this would be on the cals out side of the equation.
Unfortunately the difference between energy required to metabolize a protein calorie vs a carbohydrate calorie is so infinitesimally small, it makes no significant difference.
Not really... Got in to a discussion with another guy on another topic about this.
My diet is 2,300 calories.
Carbs 645 calories (28%)
Protein 998 calories (43%)
Fat 667 calories (29%)
Thermogenic effect
carbs = 80.6 calories
Protein = 215 calories
fat = 17 calories
TEF = 312.6 calories.
I do want to reduce more bodyfat, I plan to increase my protein intake and reduce my fat intake for satiety purposes. I am thinking of dropping fat intake to 20%.
Diet
Carbs 645 calories (28%)
Protein 1196 calories (52%)
Fat 460 calories (20%)
Thermogenic Effect
Carbs = 80.6 calories
Protein = 257 calories
fat = 11.5 calories
TEF = 349 calories
In both cases, 300 calories is a cardio session for some people. I believe this is a significant difference. 20-30minutes doing cardio would produce the same calorie difference.0 -
Because we don't all eat/exercise at the same rate. :huh:
So using that logic, no exercise and equal calories = same weight gain/loss for each persons?
Different muscle mass, different lifestyles, slight variations in hormone levels and such...
Therefore not simply calories in/out, no?
Yes, it still comes down to calories in/out. It is just how to accurately obtain an accurate caloric requirement that is the issue.
Its not that simple, as in/out then, is it?
For example:
Metabolic rates - Two people, identical height and weight and muscle mass.
Different metabolic rate thro hormone levels. Same calories would result in different weight gains/losses.
If it was simply in/out, you would just need height/weight/age/sex and would be able to say what they need. Indeed, some people are more sensitive to carbs than others, for example and lose fat or gain muscle in a harder/easier manner than others.
No, Metobolic rate is part of the cals out side if the equation.
Also if you eat more protein vs carb they take more cals to breakdow, again this would be on the cals out side of the equation.
Unfortunately the difference between energy required to metabolize a protein calorie vs a carbohydrate calorie is so infinitesimally small, it makes no significant difference.
Not really... Got in to a discussion with another guy on another topic about this.
My diet is 2,300 calories.
Carbs 645 calories (28%)
Protein 998 calories (43%)
Fat 667 calories (29%)
Thermogenic effect
carbs = 80.6 calories
Protein = 215 calories
fat = 17 calories
TEF = 312.6 calories.
I do want to reduce more bodyfat, I plan to increase my protein intake and reduce my fat intake for satiety purposes. I am thinking of dropping fat intake to 20%.
Diet
Carbs 645 calories (28%)
Protein 1196 calories (52%)
Fat 460 calories (20%)
Thermogenic Effect
Carbs = 80.6 calories
Protein = 257 calories
fat = 11.5 calories
TEF = 349 calories
In both cases, 300 calories is a cardio session for some people. I believe this is a significant difference. 20-30minutes doing cardio would produce the same calorie difference.
Except that the *difference* in your example is <37 calories.0 -
Because we don't all eat/exercise at the same rate. :huh:
So using that logic, no exercise and equal calories = same weight gain/loss for each persons?
Different muscle mass, different lifestyles, slight variations in hormone levels and such...
Therefore not simply calories in/out, no?
Yes, it still comes down to calories in/out. It is just how to accurately obtain an accurate caloric requirement that is the issue.
Its not that simple, as in/out then, is it?
For example:
Metabolic rates - Two people, identical height and weight and muscle mass.
Different metabolic rate thro hormone levels. Same calories would result in different weight gains/losses.
If it was simply in/out, you would just need height/weight/age/sex and would be able to say what they need. Indeed, some people are more sensitive to carbs than others, for example and lose fat or gain muscle in a harder/easier manner than others.
No, Metobolic rate is part of the cals out side if the equation.
Also if you eat more protein vs carb they take more cals to breakdow, again this would be on the cals out side of the equation.
Unfortunately the difference between energy required to metabolize a protein calorie vs a carbohydrate calorie is so infinitesimally small, it makes no significant difference.
Not really... Got in to a discussion with another guy on another topic about this.
My diet is 2,300 calories.
Carbs 645 calories (28%)
Protein 998 calories (43%)
Fat 667 calories (29%)
Thermogenic effect
carbs = 80.6 calories
Protein = 215 calories
fat = 17 calories
TEF = 312.6 calories.
I do want to reduce more bodyfat, I plan to increase my protein intake and reduce my fat intake for satiety purposes. I am thinking of dropping fat intake to 20%.
Diet
Carbs 645 calories (28%)
Protein 1196 calories (52%)
Fat 460 calories (20%)
Thermogenic Effect
Carbs = 80.6 calories
Protein = 257 calories
fat = 11.5 calories
TEF = 349 calories
In both cases, 300 calories is a cardio session for some people. I believe this is a significant difference. 20-30minutes doing cardio would produce the same calorie difference.
Except that the *difference* in your example is <37 calories.
Yet I also said... 300 calories (rounded down of both examples) is a cardio session for some people.0 -
Because we don't all eat/exercise at the same rate. :huh:
So using that logic, no exercise and equal calories = same weight gain/loss for each persons?
Different muscle mass, different lifestyles, slight variations in hormone levels and such...
Therefore not simply calories in/out, no?
Yes, it still comes down to calories in/out. It is just how to accurately obtain an accurate caloric requirement that is the issue.
Its not that simple, as in/out then, is it?
For example:
Metabolic rates - Two people, identical height and weight and muscle mass.
Different metabolic rate thro hormone levels. Same calories would result in different weight gains/losses.
If it was simply in/out, you would just need height/weight/age/sex and would be able to say what they need. Indeed, some people are more sensitive to carbs than others, for example and lose fat or gain muscle in a harder/easier manner than others.
No, Metobolic rate is part of the cals out side if the equation.
Also if you eat more protein vs carb they take more cals to breakdow, again this would be on the cals out side of the equation.
Unfortunately the difference between energy required to metabolize a protein calorie vs a carbohydrate calorie is so infinitesimally small, it makes no significant difference.
Not really... Got in to a discussion with another guy on another topic about this.
My diet is 2,300 calories.
Carbs 645 calories (28%)
Protein 998 calories (43%)
Fat 667 calories (29%)
Thermogenic effect
carbs = 80.6 calories
Protein = 215 calories
fat = 17 calories
TEF = 312.6 calories.
I do want to reduce more bodyfat, I plan to increase my protein intake and reduce my fat intake for satiety purposes. I am thinking of dropping fat intake to 20%.
Diet
Carbs 645 calories (28%)
Protein 1196 calories (52%)
Fat 460 calories (20%)
Thermogenic Effect
Carbs = 80.6 calories
Protein = 257 calories
fat = 11.5 calories
TEF = 349 calories
In both cases, 300 calories is a cardio session for some people. I believe this is a significant difference. 20-30minutes doing cardio would produce the same calorie difference.
Except that the *difference* in your example is <37 calories.
Yet I also said... 300 calories (rounded down of both examples) is a cardio session for some people.
No one is arguing that TEF is meaningless. The argument is that it's a component of the "calories out" for *everyone*. It's important as part of the bigger picture, but not so much in isolation.
So what is it that you're arguing again?0 -
All things being equal then, yes, it is just calories in vs. calories out.0
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Biology. Body chemistry. Heredity. The type of calories (fat/carb/etc.). We are not all created equal in the eyes of fat! Some people gain muscle mass when they exercise (which can cause size loss, but weight gain), and some people lose weight. You can go on the CDC website and find out your BMR - basal metabolic rate - to see how many calories you burn in a day just by doing what you normally do. This basically tells you what your tolerance to calories and fat is, and how much your body burns no matter what. If your body burns a lot of calories but you're still overweight, that means you are eating a lot more bad calories than you realize, or that your body is genetically designed to hold on to fat at that metabolic rate.0
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