If it is simply calories in and out...

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  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    Yes 37 calories is pretty insignificant.


    Wha??? 37 Calories per day is less than 4 lbs per YEAR. No, it's not significant at all.

    37*365/3500 = 3.86.
  • pierrena
    pierrena Posts: 37
    “The food you eat can be either the safest and most powerful form of medicine or the slowest form of poison.”
    ― Ann Wigmore





    The Importance of Fitness and Nutrition in Our Lives http://1topnew.blogspot.com/2013/11/fitness_17.html
  • Holly_Roman_Empire
    Holly_Roman_Empire Posts: 4,440 Member
    Well, that was a fun read.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    For those of you who say "weight is simply calories in and out" I have another complicating factor.

    Salicylate found in fruit and veg and aspirin pills. It does not cause everyone problems but for those who it does it is ultimately debilitating. I am on my way from the poorest of health to the better. Weight continues to be an issue for me and will be until I can control my environment.

    Some may mock the people who line their houses with tin foil and move into the country as far away from large populations, to be somewhere where their tinnitus is no longer a problem for them. Until you experience the bad things which can, and do happen because of salicylate sensitivity, multiple chemical sensitivity, or similar, please do not assume you know it all.

    I know I don't know enough, which is why I am reading as much as I can in the hope of improving my health even further.

    Are you proposing that we change our approach for the 99% because of the 1%?

    Or perhaps every post should carry a disclaimer that if you have a medical condition, please consult with your doctor? I thought this was implied.
  • sloth3toes
    sloth3toes Posts: 2,212 Member
    For those of you who say "weight is simply calories in and out" I have another complicating factor.

    Salicylate found in fruit and veg and aspirin pills. It does not cause everyone problems but for those who it does it is ultimately debilitating. I am on my way from the poorest of health to the better. Weight continues to be an issue for me and will be until I can control my environment.

    Some may mock the people who line their houses with tin foil and move into the country as far away from large populations, to be somewhere where their tinnitus is no longer a problem for them. Until you experience the bad things which can, and do happen because of salicylate sensitivity, multiple chemical sensitivity, or similar, please do not assume you know it all.

    I know I don't know enough, which is why I am reading as much as I can in the hope of improving my health even further.

    Are you proposing that we change our approach for the 99% because of the 1%?

    Or perhaps every post should carry a disclaimer that if you have a medical condition, please consult with your doctor? I thought this was implied.

    It's at the bottom of every page

    Posts by members, moderators and admins should not be considered medical advice and no guarantee is made against accuracy.
  • extra_medium
    extra_medium Posts: 1,525 Member


    I think people are taking me too literally rather than seeing the point I'm trying to put across.

    You pretty clearly implied that you think it isn't as simple as calories in vs calories out by not fully understanding that the factors you listed to try to complicate the matter are all part of the "calorie out" half of the equation. I'm not sure what other point you expected people to see.

    Yes, our calorie out rates vary by person, but it is still calorie in vs calorie out for each person.
  • Carnivor0us
    Carnivor0us Posts: 1,752 Member
    Why do we not all gain/lose weight at the same rate?

    According to this forum, it's because people are just filthy liars.
  • devil_in_a_blue_dress
    devil_in_a_blue_dress Posts: 5,214 Member
    It's not like people lose weight by consuming more calories than they burn, so I'mma gonna say for all people it is calories in vs calories out.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    Because we don't all eat/exercise at the same rate. :huh:

    So using that logic, no exercise and equal calories = same weight gain/loss for each persons?

    Different muscle mass, different lifestyles, slight variations in hormone levels and such...

    Therefore not simply calories in/out, no?

    Yes, it still comes down to calories in/out. It is just how to accurately obtain an accurate caloric requirement that is the issue.

    Its not that simple, as in/out then, is it?

    For example:

    Metabolic rates - Two people, identical height and weight and muscle mass.

    Different metabolic rate thro hormone levels. Same calories would result in different weight gains/losses.

    If it was simply in/out, you would just need height/weight/age/sex and would be able to say what they need. Indeed, some people are more sensitive to carbs than others, for example and lose fat or gain muscle in a harder/easier manner than others.

    It is still a matter of energy in vs energy out if you're discussing change in body weight.

    The complexity lies in a multitude of factors effecting the "out" side of the equation.
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    Why do we not all gain/lose weight at the same rate?

    According to this forum, it's because people are just filthy liars.

    Or the fact that everyone has a different calories out every day.....
  • FlaxMilk
    FlaxMilk Posts: 3,452 Member
    Why do we not all gain/lose weight at the same rate?

    According to this forum, it's because people are just filthy liars.

    Or the fact that everyone has a different calories out every day.....

    People aren't usually lying to the other forum users, they are usually lying to themselves. It's the most likely answer. If someone is eating at what should be a deficit and not losing weight, that person should seek medical attention and advice. Otherwise, they are in some way falling victim to user error. (Not logging everything-taking a day off or forgetting items, eyeballing portions, using generous measuring techniques, overestimating exercise burns, underestimating calories when no nutrition info is available.)
  • Mr_Bad_Example
    Mr_Bad_Example Posts: 2,403 Member
    Why do we not all gain/lose weight at the same rate?

    Because...
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  • bubaluboo
    bubaluboo Posts: 2,098 Member
    Haven't read all through this thread so probably repeating.. But to answer OP yes it is calories in/out. The word simply implies that calories in/out is easy to estimate and therein lies the problem. If everyone could have their personal metabolic rate constantly measured and ate fewer calories than they burned, they would lose weight regardless of health condition. Conversely, if they ate more than they burned they would gain weight As constant metabolic monitoring is not yet possible we have to base it all on estimates. That gives a good starting point but there will be inconsistency on both sides of the in/out equation and so we have to tweak our input until its the right amount lower than output. This may mean that my intake has to be lower or higher than an age/height/weight /activity level matched female to lose at the same rate but its still calories in/out.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    Edit: wrong link
  • SerenaKitty
    SerenaKitty Posts: 142
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    That's just mean. Lol.
  • aggiegirl121
    aggiegirl121 Posts: 84 Member
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    That's just mean. Lol.

    I guess you truly do learn something new everyday! I have gone my whole 22 years of life thinking it was ladder instead of latter! lol
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    I guess you truly do learn something new everyday! I have gone my whole 22 years of life thinking it was ladder instead of latter! lol

    :hi-five:

    :drinker:

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  • Fuzzipeg
    Fuzzipeg Posts: 2,301 Member
    Further to my above.

    I do not think everyone should, do as I do, I was just intending to give someone somewhere some food for thought. Not every situation is the same and the simplistic, in out, view is not true for everyone, because of complicating factors, unfortunately.

    Our bodies are surprising things whether they are working as is expected, arrived with quirks or developed them along the way. All varieties of persons are represented here. What works or does not for me may be enlightening, downright boring or information to another. My experience is no better nor worse than anyone else's, it's mine. Consider with time everything changes, what you are today you may not be tomorrow and do not take anything for granted.
  • Carnivor0us
    Carnivor0us Posts: 1,752 Member
    Why do we not all gain/lose weight at the same rate?

    According to this forum, it's because people are just filthy liars.

    Or the fact that everyone has a different calories out every day.....

    No, it's the lying. I love that the most.
  • Matt_Wild
    Matt_Wild Posts: 2,673 Member
    The OP is either not the sharpest crayon in the box or the greatest troll to ever live! I choose to pick the ladder!

    1. Because he managed to get plenty of people to argue about a topic that we ALL know the answer to!
    2. He has completely vanished, probably to sit back and observe the chaos he created!


    I thoroughly enjoyed this thread!!! :laugh: :laugh:

    Actually no.

    I prep my fiancee to compete for her IFBB Pro card in the Arnold Classic next month, in only her 3rd show (in Columbus, Ohio). She does Body Fitness/Figure. That is to say, she will have competed at her first attempt to go pro within 9 month of ever competing and about 15-16 months since she started training with me in 29 Oct 2012.

    I don't have the time, will nor inclination to sit on a computer and debate for hours.

    This thread was taken so far out of context by people with clearly too much time on their hands to sit there and insult for 7 pages when the meaning of my thread was clear once I'd clarified. Saying simply in/out is far too basic, there are too many complicating factors to say simply in/out (ALTHO once you've found the in/out figure, then you've got a start point).

    Now i'm sure you'll sit here, argue and say it wasn't clarified, that I wasn't clear and that you are right. Frankly I don't care.

    There is also some debate on 3500 = 1lb of fat in the medical/research community for everyone as well, but please don't let that stop from your games on here.
  • SrJoben
    SrJoben Posts: 484 Member
    Probably not.

    But if you consider the inherent inaccuracy of self reported intake and exercise, the difficulty to getting accurate calorie in counts, and of measuring actual expenditure then Calories In/Calories Out is pretty darned close.

    The other factors people go on and on about are tiny relative to the margin of error of the basic process. So what if condition X alters your BMR by 5-10%? Your estimate of that scoop of mashed potatoes is probably off by 10% and the burn calculator on the treadmill is probably off by 20%

    Basically if someone losses 0.35 pounds when they theoretically should have lost 0.5 that doesn't invalidate the calories in calories out concept. The fact that it works AT ALL in the face of all the problems that make it difficult to implement, proves that it's rock solid.

    Calories In/Calories out is the worst system for predicting weight change, except for all the others.

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