Eat McDonald's, lose wight, set terrible example
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Real food (see where I'm going with this?) Most commercial dog foods have nothing but garbage and fillers. Usually the first ingredient is corn, which is not digestible and simply becomes a product of waste, with no nutritional value. It is also the #1 most common allergen in dogs. Over 50% of the dog population will develop an illness or early onset death due to a lack of nutrition (they were fed grocery store food) Do a little bit of research on nutrition. I worked in the dog food industry for years and use it as a basis for what I feed myself. Dogs are not so unlike people in terms of basic nutritional needs. But I digress... My dogs (and my family) get natural food with natural (nutritional) ingredients.
You state corn is the #1 allergen to dogs - the top allergens to humans are milk, eggs, peanuts, fish, soy and wheat. So I hope you don't ever feed anyone these things. Ever. Nevermind if they're actually allergic to it or not.
Corn no nutritional value - humans have similar problems where MOST of the corn offers no real value to us. We eat it anyway.
Corn #1 ingredient in dog food? What dog food are you buying?
Purina Large Dog Breed - chicken, rice,poultry, corn gluten meal, whole grain wheat, soybean meal
Purina One Chicken & Rice - chicken, rice, corn gluten meal, whole grain corn, poultry, whole grain wheat
Iams even sells "grain free" dog food in case your dog DOES have a genuine corn allergy. Just because someone sells it doesn't mean it's awful.
Well to be fair, that second ingredient is just a filler (rice) and takes the place of corn.
Yeah, but chicken and rice is the ultimately ideal food combination.
DYEoptimallyeat, brah?
Carbs are bad, brah. Can't feed those to my dogs, or cat for that matter.
I'd eat nothing but copious amounts of chicken, because bulking, brah...
...but I need some rice carbs to fuel my workouts, brah.
If you don't eat carbs and end up going keto (which is just sciency speak for catabolic, brah), you'll lose all yer mad gainz, brah.0 -
Real food (see where I'm going with this?) Most commercial dog foods have nothing but garbage and fillers. Usually the first ingredient is corn, which is not digestible and simply becomes a product of waste, with no nutritional value. It is also the #1 most common allergen in dogs. Over 50% of the dog population will develop an illness or early onset death due to a lack of nutrition (they were fed grocery store food) Do a little bit of research on nutrition. I worked in the dog food industry for years and use it as a basis for what I feed myself. Dogs are not so unlike people in terms of basic nutritional needs. But I digress... My dogs (and my family) get natural food with natural (nutritional) ingredients.
You state corn is the #1 allergen to dogs - the top allergens to humans are milk, eggs, peanuts, fish, soy and wheat. So I hope you don't ever feed anyone these things. Ever. Nevermind if they're actually allergic to it or not.
Corn no nutritional value - humans have similar problems where MOST of the corn offers no real value to us. We eat it anyway.
Corn #1 ingredient in dog food? What dog food are you buying?
Purina Large Dog Breed - chicken, rice,poultry, corn gluten meal, whole grain wheat, soybean meal
Purina One Chicken & Rice - chicken, rice, corn gluten meal, whole grain corn, poultry, whole grain wheat
Iams even sells "grain free" dog food in case your dog DOES have a genuine corn allergy. Just because someone sells it doesn't mean it's awful.
Well to be fair, that second ingredient is just a filler (rice) and takes the place of corn.
Yeah, but chicken and rice is the ultimately ideal food combination.
DYEoptimallyeat, brah?
Carbs are bad, brah. Can't feed those to my dogs, or cat for that matter.
I'd eat nothing but copious amounts of chicken, because bulking, brah...
...but I need some rice carbs to fuel my workouts, brah.
If you don't eat carbs and end up going keto (which is just sciency speak for catabolic, brah), you'll lose all yer mad gainz, brah.
Sorry brah, I just take a shot of diesel fuel to get me through my WOD...brah.
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I was literally ecstatic when I read this because its a giant **** you punch on the face to all those clean eating holier than thou ****tards who think they deserve an award for eating nothing but Quinoa & oatmeal. Nothing against clean eating if that's what you're about but shut the **** up about how fantastic you are and how those of us that don't shop exclusively at Grain N Simple are slowly killing ourselves while you are just so much better than the rest of the human race with your organic free range chicken cooked in Ghee.
Losing weight+ getting healthier is as simple as Eat LESS and move MORE, It's completely necessary and still 100 percent possible to lose weight and *GASP* be HEALTHY (Yes HEALTHY) while consuming fast food such as Mcd's.
Not to mention Mcd's gets **** on all the time when places like Wendy's, BK, Popeyes, KFC etc are SO SO SO SO much worse. Out of all the fast food MCd's actually has the most as far as healthy options...except for maybe like Chick FIl A or an actual sandwich shop.
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We can't swear on there now? It's like that one episode of Family Guy on here
PS- OP this wasn't directed at you, but at loud mouth clean eaters who feel the need to talk about how much better their methods of weight loss are0 -
Why are people dragging dogs and cats into this? People =/= cats or dogs.
Cats in particular are carnivores. You try to feed a cat a high carb or (worse) a vegetarian diet, and you're going to cause a sick cat
http://www.petmd.com/blogs/thedailyvet/jlee/2011/nov/can_cats_dogs_be_vegetarian-11893
PetMD:"cats are strict carnivores. While there are cat vegetarian and vegan diets commercially available, these are never recommended by veterinarians {...} cats that are fed vegetarian or vegan diets are at high risk for life-threatening deficiencies in amino acids. It’s not worth the fatal risk."
Cats don't belong in the debate about what people should eat.0 -
He was on the Today show yesterday. He was showing what you can do with McDonald's food and be lose weight. He is entering the second stage with his students. March 15th I believe he'll be through stage 2. If you open your mind amazing things can happen.http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/01/06/mcdonald_s_diet_high_school_teacher_john_cisna_loses_37_pounds_sets_terrible.html
So this happened. Is anyone else really bothered by this??
I am over-the-top bothered by this. This guy - a teacher no less - chose McDonald's for this interesting demonstration of watching macros and calories. I don't like McDonald's (except for breakfast stuff like McMuffins). He could have chosen Taco Bell, or Carl's Jr., and I would have a lot more interest and respect.0 -
Oh, and he started walking 45 minutes every day. Eating healthy, at a reasonable caloric level, and exercise. Sound familiar?0
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Why are people dragging dogs and cats into this? People =/= cats or dogs.
Cats in particular are carnivores. You try to feed a cat a high carb or (worse) a vegetarian diet, and you're going to cause a sick cat
http://www.petmd.com/blogs/thedailyvet/jlee/2011/nov/can_cats_dogs_be_vegetarian-11893"cats are strict carnivores. While there are cat vegetarian and vegan diets commercially available, these are never recommended by veterinarians {...} cats that are fed vegetarian or vegan diets are at high risk for life-threatening deficiencies in amino acids. It’s not worth the fatal risk."
Cats don't belong in the debate about what people should eat.
So, cats shouldn't eat cat food? Ever? Vets never recommend cat food at all? Because they have plenty of items in them that aren't carnivorous.0 -
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So much stretching in here. Getting people to read an article is not propaganda. Evidence and information is actually propaganda's kryptonite (sorry, watched Superman last night).
Also, I eat at McDonalds once a week and have never had a Big Mac.
You should try one...they're delicious...
...and if you really want to be healthy, ask them to omit the superfluous middle bun.
Isn't that just a double quarter pounder?0 -
So, cats shouldn't eat cat food? Ever? Vets never recommend cat food at all? Because they have plenty of items in them that aren't carnivorous.
This is how debates on MyFitnessPal get stupid.
Talk to a vet.
This isn't controversial material or even in veterinary debate. Cats are carnivores. Commercially available cat foods that are not primarily (at times virtually exclusively) meat or meat and bone meal by-products HAVE to have taurine (as well as a host of other amino acids) specifically added to the feed or the food will be recalled. Without those supplemental amino-acids and additives, grain-based feed will kill the cat. (See any list of pet food recalls. If taurine and other amino acid additives are left out -- even by accident -- the companies are required to recall the food.) The supplements aren't necessary for a cat living off of meat because they naturally occur in meat. They are necessary and required in commercial feed because they are absent in plant-based food (or may be at inadequate levels in a food with more grain than meat in it). Without those additives to the feed, the cats would eventually die of heart failure. It's not a debate. Additives such are taurine are regulated in commercial cat food because of this. They are required because cats are carnivores and a vegetarian or primarily grain-based diet without such additives are lethal to cats.
Again, dragging cats into the high carb/low carb debate for humans is absurd. People are not cats and cats are not people. It's dumb to think they're interchangeable. See also: the fact that chocolate will kill a cat or dog, while humans find it to be delicious.0 -
I work at McDonald's i have to eat there 5 times a week and still lose weight!0
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I was literally ecstatic when I read this because its a giant **** you punch on the face to all those clean eating holier than thou ****tards who think they deserve an award for eating nothing but Quinoa & oatmeal. Nothing against clean eating if that's what you're about but shut the **** up about how fantastic you are and how those of us that don't shop exclusively at Grain N Simple are slowly killing ourselves while you are just so much better than the rest of the human race with your organic free range chicken cooked in Ghee.
Losing weight+ getting healthier is as simple as Eat LESS and move MORE, It's completely necessary and still 100 percent possible to lose weight and *GASP* be HEALTHY (Yes HEALTHY) while consuming fast food such as Mcd's.
Not to mention Mcd's gets **** on all the time when places like Wendy's, BK, Popeyes, KFC etc are SO SO SO SO much worse. Out of all the fast food MCd's actually has the most as far as healthy options...except for maybe like Chick FIl A or an actual sandwich shop.
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We can't swear on there now? It's like that one episode of Family Guy on here
PS- OP this wasn't directed at you, but at loud mouth clean eaters who feel the need to talk about how much better their methods of weight loss are
Nice rant! This thread was missing an angry rant but you came to the rescue :flowerforyou: Extra points for the use of "****tards," a personal favorite! Missed points for not including "hamplanet."0 -
He was on the Today show yesterday. He was showing what you can do with McDonald's food and be lose weight. He is entering the second stage with his students. March 15th I believe he'll be through stage 2.http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/01/06/mcdonald_s_diet_high_school_teacher_john_cisna_loses_37_pounds_sets_terrible.html
So this happened. Is anyone else really bothered by this??
I am over-the-top bothered by this. This guy - a teacher no less - chose McDonald's for this interesting demonstration of watching macros and calories. I don't like McDonald's (except for breakfast stuff like McMuffins). He could have chosen Taco Bell, or Carl's Jr., and I would have a lot more interest and respect.
I didn't see any interviews - is Stage 2 going to involve anything other than McD's? I'd like to see him do it by eating only at Chevy's - that would be tough! Edit - Jack in the Box! I'd like to try JitB.If you open your mind amazing things can happen.
Opening your mind lets the bugs in.0 -
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So much stretching in here. Getting people to read an article is not propaganda. Evidence and information is actually propaganda's kryptonite (sorry, watched Superman last night).
Also, I eat at McDonalds once a week and have never had a Big Mac.
You should try one...they're delicious...
...and if you really want to be healthy, ask them to omit the superfluous middle bun.
Isn't that just a double quarter pounder?
If it were, the Big Mac wouldn't be so ridiculously sub-par for a flagship burger.0 -
I hope you are all happy now. You made Jared Fogle cry. Congratulations!!0
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Good call. I think that the fact that he is promoting a balanced diet is more meaningful than where he was eating was.0
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HOw is this a terrible example? Isn't showing that you can make healthy choices and stick to a diet even if you are rushed for time or on a short budget a good thing?
This.
Except, those arent healthy choices. Healthier than, say supersizing a Big Mac meal? Sure. But healthier and healthy are not the same thing.
Being rushed for time or on a short budget are cop-out excuses. Nothing mentally healthy about being dishonest about motivations.
People eat fast food because they like it.
Just out of curiosity, what counts as a healthy choice in your world? In mine, oatmeal, salads, eggs, and grilled chicken are staples and I'm doing alright. Having someone else put it together for me wouldn't change the nutritional makeup of the ingredients. I'm probably doing it all wrong, though - organic free range unicorn meat is sadly out of my price range.
It's really not as expensive as you think. Look for it near the SPAM.
Sorry, that comes in a can so it must not be real.0 -
Oh I love watching the jimmies being rustled by the "clean", "paleo", "organic","natural" eaters. They must be jelly that this teacher lost more weight than they did.
Know what's funny? I actually prefer fresh food over fast food. I eat more broccoli & fruit than most vegans. That being said, I think this teacher is terrific. Obviously.
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So, cats shouldn't eat cat food? Ever? Vets never recommend cat food at all? Because they have plenty of items in them that aren't carnivorous.
This is how debates on MyFitnessPal get stupid.
Talk to a vet.
This isn't controversial material or even in veterinary debate. Cats are carnivores. Commercially available cat foods that are not primarily (at times virtually exclusively) meat or meat and bone meal by-products HAVE to have taurine (as well as a host of other amino acids) specifically added to the feed or the food will be recalled. Without those supplemental amino-acids and additives, grain-based feed will kill the cat. (See any list of pet food recalls. If taurine and other amino acid additives are left out -- even by accident -- the companies are required to recall the food.) The supplements aren't necessary for a cat living off of meat because they naturally occur in meat. They are necessary and required in commercial feed because they are absent in plant-based food (or may be at inadequate levels in a food with more grain than meat in it). Without those additives to the feed, the cats would eventually die of heart failure. It's not a debate. Additives such are taurine are regulated in commercial cat food because of this. They are required because cats are carnivores and a vegetarian or primarily grain-based diet without such additives are lethal to cats.
Again, dragging cats into the high carb/low carb debate for humans is absurd. People are not cats and cats are not people. It's dumb to think they're interchangeable. See also: the fact that chocolate will kill a cat or dog, while humans find it to be delicious.
I feed my cat ALL the meat!!0 -
I'm glad, I'n going to spam it to everyone i know that complains that losing weight through dieting is sooooo hard and soooo boring cos all you can eat is salad (although I love salad) and vegetables (I also love vegetables) and that yes, you can have what you want (in my case normally a footlong Spicy Italian from Subway ughghhh) and still lose weight within your limits!0
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Everyone jumps on the hate McDonalds bandwagon when a guy makes a movie about eating 5000 calories a day at McDonalds and not exercising. But someone loosing weight with McDonalds food is evil witchery. Oh the propaganda0
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I agree with this. I think that it's a great educational experience for the students.Watched the video, I find it fascinating and actually quite educational for the students involved. First he is showing kids how to track their calories and nutrients in a fun interactive and experiential way. This will have a long term effect on students, that is a win. But he is also teaching about personal responsibility meaning if you eat McDonalds everyday and take great care to eat appropriately you may even lose weight. He is showing his students that they need to really think about what they are putting in their mouth and that it is their choice (much of the time). I do not think eating McDonalds everyday or drinking huge quantities of diet soda is good, but that is not what this is about really. The bigger lesson, one that I really wish I was taught early on in a way that I would understand is that we choose the calories that go into our body and they have to be less than what we are burning in order to lose weight. I would be interested to see what his menu was on a daily basis, however the kids have to have worked hard with not only mathematics (to have calories in check), nutrients and it sounds as if they worked together to make the "diet" happen which team work is great for life skills. I applaud the teacher for finding something his kids were interested in and to get children involved in their education. They will now know how to track their calories for the rest of their life and think about what goes in their mouth...I see it as a win.
I also like the fact that McDs has expanded their repertoire to include salads and wraps and oatmeal (sadly no oatmeal on the regular menu here in Australia) which I believe formed part of his menu plan.0 -
I need to try this but at Sonic. The happy hour slushies will be my downfall.0
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How is it not real food?Personally... I don't eat McDonalds. I'd rather eat real food. But... if you can't cook... don't care to.. and Love crappy fast food... I guess its good to know you can make better choices whilst you're there to keep youself from packing on the lbs. Their choice, their life. As long as they don't tie me to a chair and force feed it to me we're cool.
I try my very best not to eat anything that is uber-processed, frozen, out of a box, etc. For me, fast food falls directly into that category. Just as I don't eat hamburger helper or drink coca-cola... I don't eat McDonalds. I also won't feed my dog Purina either. But like I said, I don't look down on those who do... your life, your body, your choice.
I don't think "out of a box" is a synonym for "not real".
If i put a steak in a box, does it become "not real" steak?
Step one - Cut a hole in the box,
Step two - Put your steak in that box!
Step three - Make her open the box...0 -
So, cats shouldn't eat cat food? Ever? Vets never recommend cat food at all? Because they have plenty of items in them that aren't carnivorous.
This is how debates on MyFitnessPal get stupid.
Talk to a vet.
This isn't controversial material or even in veterinary debate. Cats are carnivores. Commercially available cat foods that are not primarily (at times virtually exclusively) meat or meat and bone meal by-products HAVE to have taurine (as well as a host of other amino acids) specifically added to the feed or the food will be recalled. Without those supplemental amino-acids and additives, grain-based feed will kill the cat. (See any list of pet food recalls. If taurine and other amino acid additives are left out -- even by accident -- the companies are required to recall the food.) The supplements aren't necessary for a cat living off of meat because they naturally occur in meat. They are necessary and required in commercial feed because they are absent in plant-based food (or may be at inadequate levels in a food with more grain than meat in it). Without those additives to the feed, the cats would eventually die of heart failure. It's not a debate. Additives such are taurine are regulated in commercial cat food because of this. They are required because cats are carnivores and a vegetarian or primarily grain-based diet without such additives are lethal to cats.
Again, dragging cats into the high carb/low carb debate for humans is absurd. People are not cats and cats are not people. It's dumb to think they're interchangeable. See also: the fact that chocolate will kill a cat or dog, while humans find it to be delicious.
Most of this is correct, though both cats and dogs can consume fairly large amounts of chocolate - especially if it's milk chocolate (which isn't really much chocolate at all) without ill effects. Even high cacao chocolate would take a fairly significant amount. Humans have a toxicity level with chocolate as well, we're just somewhat less sensitive to it.
You can keep a cat alive on processed "cat food" just as you can keep a person alive on McDonalds. Neither equates to optimum or even satisfactory health.0 -
Good for the teacher who lost weight. Maybe he will choose to lose more weight by eating something that is of higher quaility.0
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Its simple math. Regardless of the quality of food you are ingesting if your body eats at a deficit you will loose. I try to eat 90% of healthy unprocessed foods, but sometimes I do have a cheeseburger, I don't deny my cravings I just make smarter choices. He may not have the best choice in diet out there but what ever works for you. Of course the media will try to spin this and make people believe in the fallacy that if you eat any meal at McDonald's, but if you are gullible enough to fall into this trap without doing the proper research then its your fault. I mean look how many people bought into Lipozine, Hydroxycut, Atkins, Subway...There is a market out there for everyone0
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Wow. Just wow. The headline gets people to watch /read the story
Yes, this is how propaganda usually works... so stop before you hurt yourself.
You are confusing the word "propaganda" with the word "sensationalism."
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Wow. Just wow. The headline gets people to watch /read the story
Yes, this is how propaganda usually works... so stop before you hurt yourself.
You are confusing the word "propaganda" with the word "sensationalism."
^THIS^. :bigsmile:0
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