Plus size model

doughnutwretch

It isn't Cosmo who's setting the standard, people. It's fashion designers. In today's view of models, Cindy Crawford would be considered plus sized because she's curvy.

beernpizza2

Lets start using the terms "King Sized" and "Fun Sized". It works for candy bars, and you don't see candy bars getting mad at their labels.

DamePiglet

plus sized is anything larger than sample size in it's corresponding category.

sample size is a 0-2 cause you want to use as little fabric as possible for samples that may get completely edited out.

so yeah, she is larger than sample. She looks like an 8/10, possibly a 12. Which is the highest size available in contemporary fashion - the second smallest sizing standard available with a price point of $200-$500/piece, before you get into cusp/bridge/missy sizing. This isn't Old Navy.

So yes, she is a plus sized model. She isn't a Misses or Missy or Women's clothing model. She is the top size available in one category of fashion, just one.

There is Designer/Premier, Contemporary/Cusp, Bridge, Modern, Relaxed, Moderate, Budget - she is just a plus sized model for contemporary.

This does not mean that she is a plus sized woman.

JC

interesting post. thanks

mister_universe

What then if you get a big girl who has nice but generous proportions? Like Wonder Woman. Is she King Fun sized?

mccindy72

plus sized is anything larger than sample size in it's corresponding category.

sample size is a 0-2 cause you want to use as little fabric as possible for samples that may get completely edited out.

so yeah, she is larger than sample. She looks like an 8/10, possibly a 12. Which is the highest size available in contemporary fashion - the second smallest sizing standard available with a price point of $200-$500/piece, before you get into cusp/bridge/missy sizing. This isn't Old Navy.

So yes, she is a plus sized model. She isn't a Misses or Missy or Women's clothing model. She is the top size available in one category of fashion, just one.

There is Designer/Premier, Contemporary/Cusp, Bridge, Modern, Relaxed, Moderate, Budget - she is just a plus sized model for contemporary.

This does not mean that she is a plus sized woman.

JC

So as a size 2/3 can I get offended because you just called my clothing "sample sized"? They really should all just be models and it shouldn't matter what size they are.

DrMAvDPhD

She's probably in the lower 20s for bf %... these body definitions are just becoming ridiculous.

No, she's probably in the 28-30 range. Well proportioned though. People on here seem to really underestimate their own (and consequently others') bf%.

DrMAvDPhD

So as a size 2/3 can I get offended because you just called my clothing "sample sized"? They really should all just be models and it shouldn't matter what size they are.

Seriously? Sample size in the fashion world LITERALLY means the size that a sample of clothing is made in.

A designer only makes a few samples of an outfit that they plan on marketing to show on the runway. They don't make every single garment in 20 sizes. Those garments are hand sewn and usually cost a few thousands of dollars to produce. I think it's perfectly fair for the designers to want their models to generically fit into all of the sample clothing they make. Mind you, I think that generic size could stand to be increased a little, but part of being a model is the ability to fit clothing with minimal alteration.

BusyRaeNOTBusty

She's probably in the lower 20s for bf %... these body definitions are just becoming ridiculous.

No, she's probably in the 28-30 range. Well proportioned though. People on here seem to really underestimate their own (and consequently others') bf%.

I'd put her at 25%. And yes, well proportioned. I don't look that nice at 25%.

DamePiglet

She's probably in the lower 20s for bf %... these body definitions are just becoming ridiculous.

No, she's probably in the 28-30 range. Well proportioned though. People on here seem to really underestimate their own (and consequently others') bf%.

I'd put her at 25%. And yes, well proportioned. I don't look that nice at 25%.

I agree with the 25%.

DamePiglet

She's probably in the lower 20s for bf %... these body definitions are just becoming ridiculous.

No, she's probably in the 28-30 range. Well proportioned though. People on here seem to really underestimate their own (and consequently others') bf%.

Not meaning to be ugly, just curious.
What makes you think that everyone else underestimates, and that you don't overestimate?

jofjltncb6

In...

...for misunderstandings.

squirrelzzrule22

I was reading about her recently! It seemed that the size 16 thing may be an error because she is listed closer to an 8-12 most places. MIND YOU European and Australian sizes are not the same as US so we may be saying about the same thing (a 16 could equate to about a 12). Basically, if she is 6'2" and a US 12 then she is probably quite slim and simply solidly built, which is why she is plus size but looks so great and well proportioned with no visible fat. Basically she has a very unique and beautiful body type.Totally frustrating how even the standard for "larger" beauty is slim and virtually unattainable.

Also, for anyone interested Cosmo put out this article to try and make up for the negative feedback: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/celebrity/news/plus-sized-models

ETA the full shoot. Personally I think she looks like less than 25% BF but I'm no expert. Love the blue bikini, kinda want to buy it. http://www.cosmopolitan.com/celebrity/news/robyn-lawley-swimwear

redladywitch

I was a little surprised but I don't really follow things like this.

kdb247

I am more offended by the hideous bathing suit.

No matter how gorgeous she is you are not selling me on that swim wear!

^^:drinker:

mccindy72

So as a size 2/3 can I get offended because you just called my clothing "sample sized"? They really should all just be models and it shouldn't matter what size they are.

Seriously? Sample size in the fashion world LITERALLY means the size that a sample of clothing is made in.

A designer only makes a few samples of an outfit that they plan on marketing to show on the runway. They don't make every single garment in 20 sizes. Those garments are hand sewn and usually cost a few thousands of dollars to produce. I think it's perfectly fair for the designers to want their models to generically fit into all of the sample clothing they make. Mind you, I think that generic size could stand to be increased a little, but part of being a model is the ability to fit clothing with minimal alteration.

You kind of missed my (sarcastic) point. I don't get offended by people who say things about the size I wear, so I think it's a bit silly to get offended by the reference to any size, which are usually (as you pointed out) terms used within the industry.

mccindy72

She's probably in the lower 20s for bf %... these body definitions are just becoming ridiculous.

No, she's probably in the 28-30 range. Well proportioned though. People on here seem to really underestimate their own (and consequently others') bf%.

Not meaning to be ugly, just curious.
What makes you think that everyone else underestimates, and that you don't overestimate?

Definitely this.

BlueAngelChar

She's gorgeous!! so if that's what they call plus size, I'd take her sexy body over a match stick any day!!

kie_kie

I always thought I was striving to be regular size not plus size but this sure does look a lot like my goal body

Joannesmith2818

For the people saying...well yes she is plus sized compared to a "normal model".

See this is the issue.....The "normal" model should be her, why cant we call the tinier model "micro models", that way at least the masses are not reading and seeing a perfectly normal women as being plus sized!

Edited to say - I agree with above comments that a model should just be called a model despite size.

JohnMessmer

Wow, she is certainly plus sized. Perhaps her bathing suit is misleading, I wouldn't object to seeing some photos of her without anything on to be able to more accurately define her bf%. ;-)

rainbowbow

For the people saying...well yes she is plus sized compared to a "normal model".

See this is the issue.....The "normal" model should be her, why cant we call the tinier model "micro models", that way at least the masses are not reading and seeing a perfectly normal women as being plus sized!

Edited to say - I agree with above comments that a model should just be called a model despite size.

A size 12 is not "normal" by any standard or means...

BusyRaeNOTBusty

For the people saying...well yes she is plus sized compared to a "normal model".

See this is the issue.....The "normal" model should be her, why cant we call the tinier model "micro models", that way at least the masses are not reading and seeing a perfectly normal women as being plus sized!

Edited to say - I agree with above comments that a model should just be called a model despite size.

A size 12 is not "normal" by any standard or means...

:huh: A size 12 is the average size of American Women. It's also very "normal" for someone who is 6'2" tall. Now it might not be "healthy" for all women, especially those who are short, but it is certainly normal by several standards.

delicious_cocktail

For the people saying...well yes she is plus sized compared to a "normal model".

See this is the issue.....The "normal" model should be her, why cant we call the tinier model "micro models", that way at least the masses are not reading and seeing a perfectly normal women as being plus sized!

Edited to say - I agree with above comments that a model should just be called a model despite size.

A size 12 is not "normal" by any standard or means...

:huh: A size 12 is the average size of American Women. It's also very "normal" for someone who is 6'2" tall. Now it might not be "healthy" for all women, especially those who are short, but it is certainly normal by several standards.

(edited to post a more reasonably-scaled image)

(edited to add this clarification of my meaning: just because "normal" is plus-sized now doesn't mean that we aren't then now normally plus-sized. We needn't pretend like we're not a big fat society.)

DrMAvDPhD

So as a size 2/3 can I get offended because you just called my clothing "sample sized"? They really should all just be models and it shouldn't matter what size they are.

Seriously? Sample size in the fashion world LITERALLY means the size that a sample of clothing is made in.

A designer only makes a few samples of an outfit that they plan on marketing to show on the runway. They don't make every single garment in 20 sizes. Those garments are hand sewn and usually cost a few thousands of dollars to produce. I think it's perfectly fair for the designers to want their models to generically fit into all of the sample clothing they make. Mind you, I think that generic size could stand to be increased a little, but part of being a model is the ability to fit clothing with minimal alteration.

You kind of missed my (sarcastic) point. I don't get offended by people who say things about the size I wear, so I think it's a bit silly to get offended by the reference to any size, which are usually (as you pointed out) terms used within the industry.

Lol okay, so then not seriously ;-)

DrMAvDPhD

She's probably in the lower 20s for bf %... these body definitions are just becoming ridiculous.

No, she's probably in the 28-30 range. Well proportioned though. People on here seem to really underestimate their own (and consequently others') bf%.

Not meaning to be ugly, just curious.
What makes you think that everyone else underestimates, and that you don't overestimate?

wh

...... Well established fact? 9 people out of 10 on this site and bodybuilding.com put themselves at unreasonably low bf%s. That woman is 25% at absolute minimum, most definitely not "lower 20s"

ETA: Seriously this is true even for me. I tell myself I'm at 20 but in reality when I look at unflexed photos I look more like 25ish. My husband was convinced he was at about 12 and got bodpod tested at 18%, way higher than either of us would've ever thought.

CrazyAnimalLady

For years I've been told I should be a plus size model, my reply has always been that I'm too "plus size" for modeling. Robin is gorgeous, but I don't consider her to be plus size. In the model world anything higher than a 4 is considered big. So sad.

Capt_Apollo

i want everyone to post up a picture of what "normal" is.

MoreBean13

i want everyone to post up a picture of what "normal" is.

Normal model or normal woman?

BusyRaeNOTBusty

For the people saying...well yes she is plus sized compared to a "normal model".

See this is the issue.....The "normal" model should be her, why cant we call the tinier model "micro models", that way at least the masses are not reading and seeing a perfectly normal women as being plus sized!

Edited to say - I agree with above comments that a model should just be called a model despite size.

A size 12 is not "normal" by any standard or means...

:huh: A size 12 is the average size of American Women. It's also very "normal" for someone who is 6'2" tall. Now it might not be "healthy" for all women, especially those who are short, but it is certainly normal by several standards.

(edited to post a more reasonably-scaled image)

(edited to add this clarification of my meaning: just because "normal" is plus-sized now doesn't mean that we aren't then now normally plus-sized. We needn't pretend like we're not a big fat society.)

I wouldn't say a size 12 is "obese" for most women. It isn't for me. I'm still in the healthy body fat range in a size 12. I am "bigger" than most woman (5'9" and large framed) But yes, 50% of Americans are obese, and this is the reason the average size is so high.

jwdieter

i want everyone to post up a picture of what "normal" is.

Whatever it is, it's not someone 9" taller than average. This topic is like discussing clothing sizes for a 6'8 guy. She's plus size because she's huge.