Cardio vs Weights
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lulz.BTW, I don't do cardio (though I do play tennis and racquetball).
"I don't always do cardio, but when I do, I call it something else."
:laugh:
I see the point both of you are making.
But im kind of with jonnythan here.
Those activities are cardio but he's not doing them for that reason.
Just like I go hiking and running because I enjoy them not because I feel I need to do cardio. For that purpose, I use the elliptical or some other machine.
Liking or not liking something doesn't change what it is, but your post confuses me. If you are hiking and running for enjoyment, why would feel you needed to "do cardio" on a machine?
Quirt arguing semantics. The meaning here is very clear.0 -
lulz.BTW, I don't do cardio (though I do play tennis and racquetball).
"I don't always do cardio, but when I do, I call it something else."
:laugh:
I see the point both of you are making.
But im kind of with jonnythan here.
Those activities are cardio but he's not doing them for that reason.
Just like I go hiking and running because I enjoy them not because I feel I need to do cardio. For that purpose, I use the elliptical or some other machine.
Liking or not liking something doesn't change what it is, but your post confuses me. If you are hiking and running for enjoyment, why would feel you needed to "do cardio" on a machine?
Quirt arguing semantics. The meaning here is very clear.
It's not clear to me. She's already doing cardio (hiking or running) but still feels the need to go to the gym and do cardio. Why? Not thinking of a cardio exercise as cardio doesn't create a need for more cardio.
ETA: Or are we just talking about when weather prohibits hiking or running?0 -
lulz.BTW, I don't do cardio (though I do play tennis and racquetball).
"I don't always do cardio, but when I do, I call it something else."
:laugh:
I see the point both of you are making.
But im kind of with jonnythan here.
Those activities are cardio but he's not doing them for that reason.
Just like I go hiking and running because I enjoy them not because I feel I need to do cardio. For that purpose, I use the elliptical or some other machine.
Liking or not liking something doesn't change what it is, but your post confuses me. If you are hiking and running for enjoyment, why would you feel you needed to "do cardio" on a machine?
Ah steady state cardio for exercise vs non steady state/steady state for enjoyment...maybe they only run for 5mins
I do not consiered hiking a "cardio workout", nor do I personally consider tennis a cardio workout...fun probably but not a workout..
But as said *shakes head* why argue the point...semantics is all it is...and you wont be happy until one of them says
"oh your right blah blah is cardio"...0 -
i do the strong lifts program and it has transformed my body quicker and better than any cardio i used to do. if i do any cardio at all, its either lifting weights faster or doing a 15-20 min kettlebell routine. i love kettlebell workouts because you are constantly doing something different every minute instead of just running in place, you burn twice as many calories in half as much time and its working your muscles at the same time as your heart (muscle) so you get the added benefit of continued calorie burn after the workout is done.
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lulz.BTW, I don't do cardio (though I do play tennis and racquetball).
"I don't always do cardio, but when I do, I call it something else."
:laugh:
I see the point both of you are making.
But im kind of with jonnythan here.
Those activities are cardio but he's not doing them for that reason.
Just like I go hiking and running because I enjoy them not because I feel I need to do cardio. For that purpose, I use the elliptical or some other machine.
Liking or not liking something doesn't change what it is, but your post confuses me. If you are hiking and running for enjoyment, why would feel you needed to "do cardio" on a machine?
Quirt arguing semantics. The meaning here is very clear.
It's not clear to me. She's already doing cardio (hiking or running) but still feels the need to go to the gym and do cardio. Why? Not thinking of a cardio exercise as cardio doesn't create a need for more cardio.
ETA: Or are we just talking about when weather prohibits hiking or running?
why do you care if she gets on machines...
I think we no know how you got 15k posts wow0 -
lulz.BTW, I don't do cardio (though I do play tennis and racquetball).
"I don't always do cardio, but when I do, I call it something else."
:laugh:
I see the point both of you are making.
But im kind of with jonnythan here.
Those activities are cardio but he's not doing them for that reason.
Just like I go hiking and running because I enjoy them not because I feel I need to do cardio. For that purpose, I use the elliptical or some other machine.
Liking or not liking something doesn't change what it is, but your post confuses me. If you are hiking and running for enjoyment, why would feel you needed to "do cardio" on a machine?
Quirt arguing semantics. The meaning here is very clear.
It's not clear to me. She's already doing cardio (hiking or running) but still feels the need to go to the gym and do cardio. Why? Not thinking of a cardio exercise as cardio doesn't create a need for more cardio.
ETA: Or are we just talking about when weather prohibits hiking or running?
I only go to the gym and 'do cardio' as a warm up for lifting or the weather sucks so I can't be outside or I've broken myself again and need to use an elliptical0 -
Of course the more you can get exercise in the better. I see people all the time at the gym who are heavy and only come 2-3 times a week. 3 months later they still look the same. You have to be in it to win it.
There are 3 sides to this game. Training, diet and rest and they all hold equal importance. It is not necessarily better to workout more. Those people who don't change who you've seen in the gym more than likely don't train intensely or they're eating too much or both! I used to train 4-5 times a week, I now train 3 times, sometimes only twice but my workouts a far more intense and I see much better results. I ran my body into the ground training 4 plus times, the rest simply wasn't adequate. Of course I could lower theiintensity but I want my body to change and I know the more intensely I train the more it will.
^^ Totally This!
I see much better results when I train intensively for 2-3 times a week than if I just do some steady-state cardio 4-5 times a week. I also schedule in longer breaks. Every few months or so I take one week off and just do light calisthenics and a few bodyweight exercises, then back to it.Some people overlook the rest component, but it's on your rest day that your body rebuilds the muscles.0 -
Surely people can agree that not all cardio is the same. When I use an elliptical machine, my goal is to keep my heart rate around 80% of my HRM for about an hour. If I go hiking for enjoyment, I'm pretty sure my heart rate isn't anywhere near 80% of my HRM. Cardio machines, although boring, provide a good way to control your exertion and your heart rate if that's your goal. This is much harder to do with recreational activities.0
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Sadly, rather than take our advice, Chrs86 has closed his diary.0
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lulz.BTW, I don't do cardio (though I do play tennis and racquetball).
"I don't always do cardio, but when I do, I call it something else."
:laugh:
I see the point both of you are making.
But im kind of with jonnythan here.
Those activities are cardio but he's not doing them for that reason.
Just like I go hiking and running because I enjoy them not because I feel I need to do cardio. For that purpose, I use the elliptical or some other machine.
Liking or not liking something doesn't change what it is, but your post confuses me. If you are hiking and running for enjoyment, why would you feel you needed to "do cardio" on a machine?
Ah steady state cardio for exercise vs non steady state/steady state for enjoyment...maybe they only run for 5mins
I do not consiered hiking a "cardio workout", nor do I personally consider tennis a cardio workout...fun probably but not a workout..
But as said *shakes head* why argue the point...semantics is all it is...and you wont be happy until one of them says
"oh your right blah blah is cardio"...
To me, hiking is very much a cardio workout, and enjoyable one at that. So is taking a walk during my lunch break, climbing stairs instead of the taking the elevator, playing soccer or volleyball, doing jumping jacks, etc. I don't track any of these activities in any way, but I have mentally noted that my cardiovascular endurance has improved substantially from doing these types of things on a regular basis. Back in 2012, I couldn't walk more than a block or climb a flight of stairs without feeling like I might keel over and die. Now I can jump, run, or climb, or anything I choose to do without fear or pain. Taking enjoyment from an activity does not preclude gaining health or fitness benefits from the activity.0 -
IDK.
I enjoy running but when I go for a run I still consider it "doing cardio"
If I were to grab a racket and play tennis I'd consider it "doing cardio".
If I go for a hike for fun at the end I usually turn to my husband and say "That was a good cardio workout!"
SO . . . .
Yeah. Even when I do fun things that I enjoy that aren't really considered a workout it still is one and I still call it such.0 -
As tempted as my inner linguist is to delve into a discussion over the connotations that surround "doing cardio" within specific fitness discourse communities, I'll just say...
I dislike being active. Period. I also dislike being overweight with a flabby body composition; I imagine I'd also dislike being skinny with a flabby composition. Sadly, finding solutions that compensate for those dislikes is a challenge. To add insult to injury (pun intended), when I am active, I seem to be bad at it. Running, and even walking, any significant distance will eventually cause problems for my joints. And that "eventually" seems to be much shorter in either distance or time for me than other people. It's probably my own fault through poor form. I also have an irregular heartbeat that sometimes causes issues.
I still walk, and try to do lower impact cardio (walking or elliptical), but I don't enjoy it. Streaming content on my phone makes it tolerable. I just don't enjoy moving. Moving seems to invariably cause me injury eventually. I do it anyway because some sort of cardio is usually considered "healthy", which I find ironic.
I also lift weights. I also don't enjoy it. I do it anyway because of the aforementioned composition preferences.
So while I think it would be ideal to find something I enjoy, it seems unlikely. I accept that fact, and try to be active most days anyway.0 -
Surely people can agree that not all cardio is the same. When I use an elliptical machine, my goal is to keep my heart rate around 80% of my HRM for about an hour. If I go hiking for enjoyment, I'm pretty sure my heart rate isn't anywhere near 80% of my HRM. Cardio machines, although boring, provide a good way to control your exertion and your heart rate if that's your goal. This is much harder to do with recreational activities.
Yes, I can agree. It depends on where you hike. I live in a very hilly area. While I may hike steadily, it's not the same as steady state cardio on a machine. Climbing can definitely push me past the aerobic zone.
But it's still good for cardiovascular health. Actually I think this type workout improves my steady state ability more than just doing steady state.0 -
why do you care if she gets on machines...
why do you care if I care?0 -
I can't believe people are still debating the semantics of what constitutes "cardio".0
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Surely people can agree that not all cardio is the same. When I use an elliptical machine, my goal is to keep my heart rate around 80% of my HRM for about an hour. If I go hiking for enjoyment, I'm pretty sure my heart rate isn't anywhere near 80% of my HRM. Cardio machines, although boring, provide a good way to control your exertion and your heart rate if that's your goal. This is much harder to do with recreational activities.
Yes, I can agree. It depends on where you hike. I live in a very hilly area. While I may hike steadily, it's not the same as steady state cardio on a machine. Climbing can definitely push me past the aerobic zone.
But it's still good for cardiovascular health. Actually I think this type workout improves my steady state ability more than just doing steady state.
I agree. The idea that it isn't cardio just because you had fun seems kinda silly.0 -
I can't believe people are still debating the semantics of what constitutes "cardio".
I can't believe you came in this thread just to make this comment.
Oh, wait. yes, I can. This is what Hornsby does. :laugh:0 -
Surely people can agree that not all cardio is the same. When I use an elliptical machine, my goal is to keep my heart rate around 80% of my HRM for about an hour. If I go hiking for enjoyment, I'm pretty sure my heart rate isn't anywhere near 80% of my HRM. Cardio machines, although boring, provide a good way to control your exertion and your heart rate if that's your goal. This is much harder to do with recreational activities.
Yes, I can agree. It depends on where you hike. I live in a very hilly area. While I may hike steadily, it's not the same as steady state cardio on a machine. Climbing can definitely push me past the aerobic zone.
But it's still good for cardiovascular health. Actually I think this type workout improves my steady state ability more than just doing steady state.
I agree. The idea that it isn't cardio just because you had fun seems kinda silly.
I don't think anyone said that tennis and hiking aren't cardio.
This whole thing started when I said I don't "do cardio." There are no activities in which I participate that I would ever refer to as "doing cardio."
I am active and do things like play tennis and ski. Those are indeed activities that include cardiovascular exercise.
My point in saying "I don't do cardio" was twofold:
1) It's not necessary for weight loss to engage in specific cardiovascular exercise
2) It's more rewarding and sustainable to find activities you enjoy instead of engaging in an activity that can best be described as "doing cardio."
Here's the takeaway: if you're about to do something you would refer to as "doing cardio," just skip it. Either do something else active that you're doing because it's fun, not because it's "cardio," or just rest instead.0 -
IDK.
I enjoy running but when I go for a run I still consider it "doing cardio"
If I were to grab a racket and play tennis I'd consider it "doing cardio".
If I go for a hike for fun at the end I usually turn to my husband and say "That was a good cardio workout!"
SO . . . .
Yeah. Even when I do fun things that I enjoy that aren't really considered a workout it still is one and I still call it such.
Huh, Usually when I head out the door to the rink or to play hoops I usually say I'm going to play hockey or basketball, not "honey, going to do cardio."
I think we all know what he meant.0 -
IDK.
I enjoy running but when I go for a run I still consider it "doing cardio"
If I were to grab a racket and play tennis I'd consider it "doing cardio".
If I go for a hike for fun at the end I usually turn to my husband and say "That was a good cardio workout!"
SO . . . .
Yeah. Even when I do fun things that I enjoy that aren't really considered a workout it still is one and I still call it such.
Huh, Usually when I head out the door to the rink or to play hoops I usually say I'm going to play hockey or basketball, not "honey, going to do cardio."
I think we all know what he meant.
Same thing for me. When I go ride my bike, I don't consider it doing cardio. I know that I am getting more/better cardio than I would at the gym on a stationary, but it's fun, so I just consider it an activity.0 -
I happen to believe you need both resistance training and cardio to be healthy. You can lose weight with no exercise at all so anything in between should work provided you track calories and don't overeat.
I totally agree. Both cardio AND resistance training is needed to stay healthy. If you just so happen to be one of those people who loves sports and physical activity then lucky you. If not, cardio is needed and required to stay healthy and fit. As they say "Just Do It!" 0 -
Surely people can agree that not all cardio is the same. When I use an elliptical machine, my goal is to keep my heart rate around 80% of my HRM for about an hour. If I go hiking for enjoyment, I'm pretty sure my heart rate isn't anywhere near 80% of my HRM. Cardio machines, although boring, provide a good way to control your exertion and your heart rate if that's your goal. This is much harder to do with recreational activities.
Yes, I can agree. It depends on where you hike. I live in a very hilly area. While I may hike steadily, it's not the same as steady state cardio on a machine. Climbing can definitely push me past the aerobic zone.
But it's still good for cardiovascular health. Actually I think this type workout improves my steady state ability more than just doing steady state.
I agree. The idea that it isn't cardio just because you had fun seems kinda silly.
I don't think anyone said that tennis and hiking aren't cardio.
This whole thing started when I said I don't "do cardio." There are no activities in which I participate that I would ever refer to as "doing cardio."
I am active and do things like play tennis and ski. Those are indeed activities that include cardiovascular exercise.
My point in saying "I don't do cardio" was twofold:
1) It's not necessary for weight loss to engage in specific cardiovascular exercise
2) It's more rewarding and sustainable to find activities you enjoy instead of engaging in an activity that can best be described as "doing cardio."
Here's the takeaway: if you're about to do something you would refer to as "doing cardio," just skip it. Either do something else active that you're doing because it's fun, not because it's "cardio," or just rest instead.
Meh. My "journey" has been about being honest with myself. I don't need to play word games and convince myself of things that aren't entirely true. If I start back down that road, I will right back to making excuses and rationalizing laziness. :flowerforyou:0 -
I can't believe people are still debating the semantics of what constitutes "cardio".
You must be new here.0 -
I'm a firm believer in well balanced fitness regimens that include aspects of both cardiovascular fitness and resistance/strength training.
I personally loath cardio for the sake of cardio...i.e. going in and droning away on an elliptical/stationary bike, etc. I do enjoy cycling, hiking, pickup basketball games, etc. All of these things do improve my cardiovascular fitness...but as others have pointed out, I'm not thinking to myself, "time to do some cardio"...I'm just going for a ride or a hike and hopefully enjoying the weather/scenery, etc. and being outdoors and improving my heart health along the way.
I think you need to further understand that losing weight is largely about diet...you don't have to create a calorie deficit with exercise...that's why you eat back exercise calories with MFP or include an estimate of them with TDEE. Exercise in general increases your calorie requirements and therefore you can eat more and still lose...but it is not necessary to losing weight.
Diet for weight control; exercise for fitness.0 -
Wow...I am so hoping the OP got some answers for her question...
jonnythan, I got what you were saying about doing what you enjoy, and I'm sorry some felt the need to nitpick how you said it. I love to rollerblade...and hike...both get my heart rate up, and don't consider them a workout, simply because when I get to go do them they are a treat and a fun activity that happens to get my heart rate up at the same time. (So does sex, and I don't consider that a workout, either, but a much more regular treat than hiking and blading, LOL...) :bigsmile:
Ok, sorry...back on topic - OP, as a few others have mentioned, if you enjoy it, do check out the StrongLifts 5x5 program. The guy has videos on how to over on youtube; it's compound lifts, only five to remember, and is a really great place to start. I started doing 5x5 last February and doing only a little running sprinkled in over that year, I managed do get down to my goal weight by October. (And that was only lifting three times per week...
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If you don't enjoy it, you won't do it. Good luck, OP!!! I hope you enjoy lifting! :flowerforyou:0 -
Wow...I am so hoping the OP got some answers for her question...
jonnythan, I got what you were saying about doing what you enjoy, and I'm sorry some felt the need to nitpick how you said it. I love to rollerblade...and hike...both get my heart rate up, and don't consider them a workout, simply because when I get to go do them they are a treat and a fun activity that happens to get my heart rate up at the same time. (So does sex, and I don't consider that a workout, either, but a much more regular treat than hiking and blading, LOL...) :bigsmile:
Ok, sorry...back on topic - OP, as a few others have mentioned, if you enjoy it, do check out the StrongLifts 5x5 program. The guy has videos on how to over on youtube; it's compound lifts, only five to remember, and is a really great place to start. I started doing 5x5 last February and doing only a little running sprinkled in over that year, I managed do get down to my goal weight by October. (And that was only lifting three times per week... )
If you don't enjoy it, you won't do it. Good luck, OP!!! I hope you enjoy lifting! :flowerforyou:
"Hey baby... let's go do some cardio." :laugh:0 -
Hi, I do dread going to the gym, so i starting going swimming, which i enjoy much more 3/4 times a week doing an hour each time. So far not seen any weight loss except 2lb and been doing it regular since beginning of January. But i will keep going. I am watching my calories too and sticking to 1250 per day.0
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Wow...I am so hoping the OP got some answers for her question...
jonnythan, I got what you were saying about doing what you enjoy, and I'm sorry some felt the need to nitpick how you said it. I love to rollerblade...and hike...both get my heart rate up, and don't consider them a workout, simply because when I get to go do them they are a treat and a fun activity that happens to get my heart rate up at the same time. (So does sex, and I don't consider that a workout, either, but a much more regular treat than hiking and blading, LOL...) :bigsmile:
Ok, sorry...back on topic - OP, as a few others have mentioned, if you enjoy it, do check out the StrongLifts 5x5 program. The guy has videos on how to over on youtube; it's compound lifts, only five to remember, and is a really great place to start. I started doing 5x5 last February and doing only a little running sprinkled in over that year, I managed do get down to my goal weight by October. (And that was only lifting three times per week... )
If you don't enjoy it, you won't do it. Good luck, OP!!! I hope you enjoy lifting! :flowerforyou:
"Hey baby... let's go do some cardio." :laugh:
Nope, she's mine.
Back off! =P
Julie, there are legitimate answers in here. Poor OP is gonnah ave to weed thru me and jonny arguing with chrs something. And the semantics argument on cardio lol0 -
Currently, I try do at least 4 days strength training, 2 days of 30-45 min. of cardio (running) and 1 rest day. But mainly, I like the way I feel after a great run.0
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Wow...I am so hoping the OP got some answers for her question...
jonnythan, I got what you were saying about doing what you enjoy, and I'm sorry some felt the need to nitpick how you said it. I love to rollerblade...and hike...both get my heart rate up, and don't consider them a workout, simply because when I get to go do them they are a treat and a fun activity that happens to get my heart rate up at the same time. (So does sex, and I don't consider that a workout, either, but a much more regular treat than hiking and blading, LOL...) :bigsmile:
Ok, sorry...back on topic - OP, as a few others have mentioned, if you enjoy it, do check out the StrongLifts 5x5 program. The guy has videos on how to over on youtube; it's compound lifts, only five to remember, and is a really great place to start. I started doing 5x5 last February and doing only a little running sprinkled in over that year, I managed do get down to my goal weight by October. (And that was only lifting three times per week... )
If you don't enjoy it, you won't do it. Good luck, OP!!! I hope you enjoy lifting! :flowerforyou:
"Hey baby... let's go do some cardio." :laugh:
Nope, she's mine.
Back off! =P
Julie, there are legitimate answers in here. Poor OP is gonnah ave to weed thru me and jonny arguing with chrs something. And the semantics argument on cardio lol
:flowerforyou:
LOL...Lishie I know...It shouldn't have had to be that complicated...
We should all get together...wait...no...that would just be the wrong thing to say. :blushing:0
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