OMG Everything I know is wrong!
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Why would you close your diary if you want help. Seems like a pointless activity if you ask me.0
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And yet even with a reduced metabolism, at the still high body weight this woman is, with the relatively low caloric input she's claiming is her norm, she'd still be losing.
Slowed metabolism =/= No Metabolism
No metabolism = Death
People starving, whether in Africa, the Americas, Asia, or orbiting the world, all have slowed down metabolisms, but the human body, even in times of starvation, never slows down to the point where basic energy needs are not met.
If a "successful" anorexic can can be dangerously underweight, and STILL lose weight through daily restriction and exercise, but this almost 200 lbs person apparently can't, despite eating so little, and apparently burning huge amounts of calories in her work outs, something is wrong.
And what's even more dangerous for the OP is that, since she in all likelihood is eating FAR more calories than she thinks now, how much worse will it be when she's logging twice as much? She could be getting comfortable one day at eating 3,100 calories of poorly measured, unweighted food, and easily be consuming over 4,000 calories.
Come on bro, we're talking about a professional athlete here, not an African. It doesn't work the same way. Try to keep up.0 -
FYI my "Nutritionist" is also a registered "Dietician". and my maintenance would be so high because of my activity level. Remember I run marathons and lift and cross train. I don't sit on a couch all day and eat pasta.My brother is a marathon runner and it is typical for runners to gain weight. I am not a nutritionist - just sharing what I know. With the amount of running you are doing your exposing your body to internal oxidative stress which triggers your cortisol levels to go up. Check out this video. http://on.aol.com/video/how-to-balance-cortisol-levels-326754334
Hope it helps!
Hugs!
This is very true. OP: Did your doctor test your hormone levels?
Yes and my Thyroid all perfect.
You must be overeating or your HRM isn't working properly anymore and is overestimating calories burned when you exercise because if you don't have anything going on hormonally, then there's no reason why you aren't losing weight.
I certainly don't think increasing calories to 3100 is the right answer. That sounds kind of silly to me.
I'd recommend seeing a dietician instead of a nutritionist for a second opinion before you start eating 3100 calories and end up with a bigger problem and more unhappy.
Well you must be eating something because you aren't losing weight.
Again thank you for your concern but now I am starting to feel like you and a few others are harassing and attacking for the sport of it which is so MFP forums and I should know better than to engage. I am sorry that you feel the need to point out that you think I am doing something wrong. This is why I sought professional help because I thought I was doing something wrong. I don't need a random stranger harassing me through the internet. I closed my diary after leaving it open for 3 years because i felt harassed by one of the other posters. No one here that is offering their opinion in the way you and a few others are is trying to help, it seems to me that you are more bored than anything and like attacking others on the internet and pointing out their shortcomings because you arent ok with yourself.
BINGO!!!
Do not know who she is referring too nor do I care but that seems to be the theme around these parts; Condescending adults who think they know it all and obviously unhappy with themselves! Positive people do not shove ideals down folk's throats. Do not engage yourself with that type of BS! Keep it pushing!0 -
As an aside, I have seen plenty of "nutritionists" that give horrible advice...
Exactly and based on anything I read to become a "Certified Sports Nutrionist" doesn't take 8 years...
You "should" have an undergraduate degree from a college but it doesn't have to be in sports medicine, or kinesiolgy...it can be in liberal arts...even then if you have worked as a personal trainer for 4 years you can write the 220 T/F question exam and get 75% and pass...
Yah I'm gonna listen to a liberal arts grad who manaaged 75% on a 220 question exam...../sarcasm
8 years is usually required to become a registered dietician. /no sarcasm
But she isn't seeing a registere dietician she is seeing a "sports nutrionist" way different.
Not necessarily. Many dieticians refer to themselves as nutritionists.0 -
BINGO!!!
Do not know who she is referring too nor do I care but that seems to be the theme around these part; Condescending adults who think they know it all and obviously unhappy with themselves! Positive people do not shove ideals down folks throats. Do not engage yourself with that type of BS! Keep it pushing!
Pointing out logical errors and giving out correct information is a sign of not liking one's self and being a negative person?0 -
Do not know who she is referring too nor do I care but that seems to be the theme around these part; Condescending adults who think they know it all and obviously unhappy with themselves! Positive people do not shove ideals down folks throats. Do not engage yourself with that type of BS! Keep it pushing!
It's me, dear heart. And I am quite happy with myself. I'm positive that if she takes your advice and that of her nutritionist, she will gain weight, and we'll see a post in a month or two titled "help, I'm eating what my nutrititionist told me to and I gained weight!"0 -
Against my better judgement.... I'm gonna go with 5 on this one.
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Why would you close your diary if you want help. Seems like a pointless activity if you ask me.
The OP says she was sharing her experience in case it might help others. She didn't ask for help.0 -
That's fine. This is the problem I have.
Everyone can say their peace, what works for them, etc and if the OP doesn't agree then keep it pushing.
Why keep on engaging trying to tell an adult what she is doing wrong or what she should be doing?
I know most mean well, but beating a dead horse still doesn't bring them back to life.
Say your opinion, advice and keep it pushing. At the end of the day looking out for yourself is all you need to do.
And I say that with the utmost respect.0 -
Why does everyone who posts improper and perhaps hurtful information feel like they need to be coddled?
Bottom line, you post here you are contributing to the knowledge pool - even if what you're saying is wrong. People reading these things will incline themselves most towards the point of view that closely resembles what they want to hear, not necessarily what is right.
OP - congrats on your weight loss, congrats on your level of activity. Nobody is attacking you. Your assertions are being challenged.0 -
Why would you close your diary if you want help. Seems like a pointless activity if you ask me.
The OP says she was sharing her experience in case it might help others. She didn't ask for help.
but christ she got it in spades! makes me wonder how vile you keyboard warriors would be to someone who actaully ASKED for your "expert" advice0 -
Maybe because we all know the train wreck is coming and are trying to get her to look at this with logic and objectivity so she won't be back in a month having regained half of what she has already lost.That's fine. This is the problem I have.
Everyone can say their peace, what works for them, etc and if the OP doesn't agree then keep it pushing.
Why keep on engaging trying to tell an adult what she is doing wrong or what she should be doing?0 -
Why would you close your diary if you want help. Seems like a pointless activity if you ask me.
She never once asked for help during this thread and has maintained that but people started giving advice (right or wrong) anyway.0 -
Why would you close your diary if you want help. Seems like a pointless activity if you ask me.
The OP says she was sharing her experience in case it might help others. She didn't ask for help.
but christ she got it in spades! makes me wonder how vile you keyboard warriors would be to someone who actaully ASKED for your "expert" advice
No one was vile. We give this exact same advice whenever it's asked for. Because it's correct, and will actually help people.0 -
Just to clarify, the nutritionist told her 3100 is maintenance and suggested cutting at 2100.trust me i've tried every "low calorie" way to lose weight in the past including weighing all my food. It doesn't work because it's not enough food. I'm sorry but as much as I appreciate your advice I think I will listen to the person who has a degree based around this since doing the low calorie thing isn't working.
Ask this nutritionist to explain simple physics -- how does your body create energy from nothing?
unicorn tears and pony farts.
duh.
I'm 5'8" and 165 (ish).. I eat roughly 2000-2500 a day... that high days of 25-2700 include my work out days of heavy lfiting and several hrs of dance. I'm BULKING trying to put on weight and doing so slowly- very slowly.
At 3000+ there is just no way...you are going to lose weight. nope nope nope nope nope nope.
yeah- that's not maintenance. cutting at 2100 isn't going to be helpful because that's probably closer to maintenance.
For a young woman with weight to lose who runs marathons?? Unlikely. That barely over maintenance for me and I'm a 52 yo woman who's been sitting at a desk most days for over 30 years.
where did OP say she runs marathons??? Did I miss that? I saw something about 25 miles a week...0 -
Why does everyone who posts improper and perhaps hurtful information feel like they need to be coddled?
Bottom line, you post here you are contributing to the knowledge pool - even if what you're saying is wrong. People reading these things will incline themselves most towards the point of view that closely resembles what they want to hear, not necessarily what is right.
OP - congrats on your weight loss, congrats on your level of activity. Nobody is attacking you. Your assertions are being challenged.
Exactly. OP: Most people can't eat 2100 calories and lose weight simply because they aren't as active as you. We just don't want others to get the wrong idea and then end up in a bigger mess.0 -
Just to clarify, the nutritionist told her 3100 is maintenance and suggested cutting at 2100.
My mistake. Either way, if she's not losing at 1,300 (and is honestly tracking accurately), she won't lose at 2,100.
From the OP's original post " I should be eating 3100 calories a day and 75 percent carbs" I did not see anything about cutting to 2100..unless I missed that...0 -
Just to clarify, the nutritionist told her 3100 is maintenance and suggested cutting at 2100.trust me i've tried every "low calorie" way to lose weight in the past including weighing all my food. It doesn't work because it's not enough food. I'm sorry but as much as I appreciate your advice I think I will listen to the person who has a degree based around this since doing the low calorie thing isn't working.
Ask this nutritionist to explain simple physics -- how does your body create energy from nothing?
unicorn tears and pony farts.
duh.
I'm 5'8" and 165 (ish).. I eat roughly 2000-2500 a day... that high days of 25-2700 include my work out days of heavy lfiting and several hrs of dance. I'm BULKING trying to put on weight and doing so slowly- very slowly.
At 3000+ there is just no way...you are going to lose weight. nope nope nope nope nope nope.
yeah- that's not maintenance. cutting at 2100 isn't going to be helpful because that's probably closer to maintenance.
For a young woman with weight to lose who runs marathons?? Unlikely. That barely over maintenance for me and I'm a 52 yo woman who's been sitting at a desk most days for over 30 years.
where did OP say she runs marathons??? Did I miss that? I saw something about 25 miles a week...
Yeah, she said she runs marathons. And runs approximately 25 miles a week, cross trains, and lifts. Oh and doesn't sit on her *kitten* all day eating pasta.0 -
Maybe because we all know the train wreck is coming and are trying to get her to look at this with logic and objectivity so she won't be back in a month having regained half of what she has already lost.That's fine. This is the problem I have.
Everyone can say their peace, what works for them, etc and if the OP doesn't agree then keep it pushing.
Why keep on engaging trying to tell an adult what she is doing wrong or what she should be doing?
My last comment on this because like I said above, "BEATING A DEAD HORSE ISN'T GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO LIFE." LMAO!!!
Saying the same thing over and over again and obviously she doesn't agree isn't going to accomplish anything. I know most mean well. I do not take that away from y'all. But, we can sit here and argue all day but shoving ideals or opinions down ones throat who obviously has her mind made up isn't going to accomplish anything but hard feelings.
That is all I'm saying. If you cannot understand that then I do not know what to say. lol0 -
As an aside, I have seen plenty of "nutritionists" that give horrible advice...
Exactly and based on anything I read to become a "Certified Sports Nutrionist" doesn't take 8 years...
You "should" have an undergraduate degree from a college but it doesn't have to be in sports medicine, or kinesiolgy...it can be in liberal arts...even then if you have worked as a personal trainer for 4 years you can write the 220 T/F question exam and get 75% and pass...
Yah I'm gonna listen to a liberal arts grad who manaaged 75% on a 220 question exam...../sarcasm
8 years is usually required to become a registered dietician. /no sarcasm
But she isn't seeing a registere dietician she is seeing a "sports nutrionist" way different.
Not necessarily. Many dieticians refer to themselves as nutritionists.
That's like saying that many brain surgeons refer to themselves as nurses aides.0 -
Why would you close your diary if you want help. Seems like a pointless activity if you ask me.
The OP says she was sharing her experience in case it might help others. She didn't ask for help.
but christ she got it in spades! makes me wonder how vile you keyboard warriors would be to someone who actaully ASKED for your "expert" advice
If the advice was accepted with "OMG, thank you oh intelligent one.", vile factor would be low. If the advice was met with "Thanks for the advice, but I think I'm going to try something else." the claws and fangs would come out. And then the "friends" would come to join in the mob mentality.
I find it amusing that some of these folks are the "Eat more to lose more" crowd.0 -
That's fine. This is the problem I have.
Everyone can say their peace, what works for them, etc and if the OP doesn't agree then keep it pushing.
Why keep on engaging trying to tell an adult what she is doing wrong or what she should be doing?
I know most mean well, but beating a dead horse still doesn't bring them back to life.
Say your opinion, advice and keep it pushing. At the end of the day looking out for yourself is all you need to do.
And I say that with the utmost respect.
Probably because people don't want to spread misinformation to others that are reading this advice and thinking "geez, I workout and I'm not losing weight... maybe 3000 calories is the answer for me too!" Your body simply does not stay the same weight for 2+ years because you are eating too little and the people you're berating know this. So, why tell someone they're wrong? Because they're telling others misinformation and there's already way too much of that on this forum.0 -
Do not know who she is referring too nor do I care but that seems to be the theme around these part; Condescending adults who think they know it all and obviously unhappy with themselves! Positive people do not shove ideals down folks throats. Do not engage yourself with that type of BS! Keep it pushing!
It's me, dear heart. And I am quite happy with myself. I'm positive that if she takes your advice and that of her nutritionist, she will gain weight, and we'll see a post in a month or two titled "help, I'm eating what my nutrititionist told me to and I gained weight!"
Naw it was me pointing out she doesn't weigh her food and her burns were high...and I didn't start the "condescending attitude" go back to the first page....and I am quite happy with myself too...did you not see my NSV today...
*skips away smiling*0 -
As an aside, I have seen plenty of "nutritionists" that give horrible advice...
Exactly and based on anything I read to become a "Certified Sports Nutrionist" doesn't take 8 years...
You "should" have an undergraduate degree from a college but it doesn't have to be in sports medicine, or kinesiolgy...it can be in liberal arts...even then if you have worked as a personal trainer for 4 years you can write the 220 T/F question exam and get 75% and pass...
Yah I'm gonna listen to a liberal arts grad who manaaged 75% on a 220 question exam...../sarcasm
8 years is usually required to become a registered dietician. /no sarcasm
But she isn't seeing a registere dietician she is seeing a "sports nutrionist" way different.
Not necessarily. Many dieticians refer to themselves as nutritionists.
That's like saying that many brain surgeons refer to themselves as nurses aides.
No, not at all the same. Not even close, really.0 -
OP - I think you were given advice that makes sense to you and I am glad that you are going to follow it. Worst case, you gain a few pounds. At least then you can find out if it works or not.
Personally, I went 6-8 weeks of no weight loss on a low cal diet (around 1300 cals). Weighed/measured everything and still did not lose. I upped my cals to 1600 and started losing again. (I do 40% carbs/30% protein/30% fat)
I finally had my RMR tested and I was burning about 250 cals more a day than what the online calculators say I was.
I am now eating 1850 or so a day and still losing .5-1.25 pounds a week. I am not a marathon runner (or any runner for that matter). I weight train 3-4 days week for 60 mins each day. I walk non weight training days for around 4 miles. Weekends I usually go 8-10 miles each day.
Can you eat more to lose? Heck yeah and I am happier for it!
Enjoy more food and let the nay-sayers have their way. Good luck and I hope that you report back what your success was.
increasing from 1500 to 3100 is going to result in a gain of a little more then a "few pounds" Assuming 2100 is maintenance that would put her in a 1000 calorie A DAY surplus, equaling 7,000 calories a week, for just about a two pound per week gain ...Which would be an 8 pound gain over one month....0 -
WOW- 6 pages???!!!! :laugh: on this one little topic. I really appreciate the information. I am 65 and lucky if I spend an hour exercising 6 days a week, so I will probably never use the info but I am sure someone needs it. Everybody is different and even though everyone is calories in-calories out now, everybody uses food differently, exercise affects everybody differently and no one knows it all!!! I think it is great that this person has gone to a professional and shared the advise she was given. And I for one would love to hear more about her journey, if she has the nerve to post ever again. Good luck to you! :flowerforyou:0
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FYI my "Nutritionist" is also a registered "Dietician". and my maintenance would be so high because of my activity level. Remember I run marathons and lift and cross train. I don't sit on a couch all day and eat pasta.My brother is a marathon runner and it is typical for runners to gain weight. I am not a nutritionist - just sharing what I know. With the amount of running you are doing your exposing your body to internal oxidative stress which triggers your cortisol levels to go up. Check out this video. http://on.aol.com/video/how-to-balance-cortisol-levels-326754334
Hope it helps!
Hugs!
This is very true. OP: Did your doctor test your hormone levels?
Yes and my Thyroid all perfect.
You must be overeating or your HRM isn't working properly anymore and is overestimating calories burned when you exercise because if you don't have anything going on hormonally, then there's no reason why you aren't losing weight.
I certainly don't think increasing calories to 3100 is the right answer. That sounds kind of silly to me.
I'd recommend seeing a dietician instead of a nutritionist for a second opinion before you start eating 3100 calories and end up with a bigger problem and more unhappy.
Well you must be eating something because you aren't losing weight.
Again thank you for your concern but now I am starting to feel like you and a few others are harassing and attacking for the sport of it which is so MFP forums and I should know better than to engage. I am sorry that you feel the need to point out that you think I am doing something wrong. This is why I sought professional help because I thought I was doing something wrong. I don't need a random stranger harassing me through the internet. I closed my diary after leaving it open for 3 years because i felt harassed by one of the other posters. No one here that is offering their opinion in the way you and a few others are is trying to help, it seems to me that you are more bored than anything and like attacking others on the internet and pointing out their shortcomings because you arent ok with yourself.
and here we go ..the "I am being bullied" complaint..that train is never late
OP no one is bullying you ..we are questioning the reasoning behind your posts and debating them...0 -
yeah, thats not my problem
but i'm happy for you. what a great thing for a professional to tell you that you arent Ms chubby anymore, but an athlete. If I ever get here, I know I"ll have a hard time seeing myself as an athlete too. 0 -
I'm experiencing a lot of the same thing, actually. I've lost almost 40 pounds and increased my activity level exponentially (I went from 187 and doing some yoga here and there to 149 and taking 10 Mixed Martial Arts classes a week). Recently I noticed that my stamina and strength was decreasing and that recovery time was way longer than it should have been. I increased my food intake significantly and I'm feeling much better, getting stronger and starting to lose weight again.
As long as it's healthy food, it's fuel for all this activity!
Good luck!0 -
OK - I am confused now..where did OP say that she was cutting to 2100? the only thing I see is increasing to 3100? this post is confusing0
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