WHO: Governments should regulate fast food to slow obesity
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Well we have seen how well out-lawing drugs has worked.....
We don't have any on the streets here in the USA.
RIP Phillip Seymour Hoffman
To be fair, I've never heard the argument that legalizing hard drugs would decrease their use.0 -
Well we have seen how well out-lawing drugs has worked.....
We don't have any on the streets here in the USA.
RIP Phillip Seymour Hoffman
To be fair, I've never heard the argument that legalizing hard drugs would decrease their use.
Ok
So then why do we need to have government regulate fast food?
Did government regulations help you lose all the weight you did?0 -
~considers our little country~
Okay, so we have a KFC and a few generic 'fast' food places, but when it comes down to it, they're not getting enough business to be responsible for the level of obesity we have here.
What people are cooking at home, now, that's another matter.
Personally, if they want to regulate fast food, they should also regulate the size of portions served in ALL restaurants, because it's absolutely insane. We don't eat out often, except when we travel, and I'm always floored by the amount of food served.
I love getting a big portion. I will never eat all of what is put in front of me in one sitting. But, that's ok because I will get at least two more meals out of the one meal I just ordered.0 -
Cigarettes have put the risks on the pack for years. People still smoke. Hell, I just quit and I'm fit and eat 100% whole food diet.
People do what they want. Blaming advertising is a joke. Blaming fast food is a scapegoat for fat lazy ****s.
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Not as much as they used to. Years and years of taxes, campaigning, and demonization have paid off to some degree.
The percentage of people smoking is down, the number of smokers is not. Cutting the rate in half is negated by a doubling of the population.
No idea what point you're trying to make.
exactly.... the population of Wisconsin, for example, has not doubled, and less than 20% of the population of Wisconsin now smokes. This is similar for many states, which is why the smoking bans are passing so easily. much larger portions of the populations now support the bans.0 -
Well we have seen how well out-lawing drugs has worked.....
We don't have any on the streets here in the USA.
RIP Phillip Seymour Hoffman
To be fair, I've never heard the argument that legalizing hard drugs would decrease their use.
Ok
So then why do we need to have government regulate fast food?
Did government regulations help you lose all the weight you did?
I didn't say we do need government to regulate fast food. However, chances are that heavily regulating the food service industry would probably eventually have a positive effect on obesity rates.0 -
Cigarettes have put the risks on the pack for years. People still smoke. Hell, I just quit and I'm fit and eat 100% whole food diet.
People do what they want. Blaming advertising is a joke. Blaming fast food is a scapegoat for fat lazy ****s.
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Not as much as they used to. Years and years of taxes, campaigning, and demonization have paid off to some degree.
The percentage of people smoking is down, the number of smokers is not. Cutting the rate in half is negated by a doubling of the population.
No idea what point you're trying to make.
The bolded part of your statement is false. A smaller percentage of Americans smoke, but just as many people smoke with just as much product sold as in decades past.0 -
Well we have seen how well out-lawing drugs has worked.....
We don't have any on the streets here in the USA.
RIP Phillip Seymour Hoffman
To be fair, I've never heard the argument that legalizing hard drugs would decrease their use.
Ok
So then why do we need to have government regulate fast food?
Did government regulations help you lose all the weight you did?
I didn't say we do need government to regulate fast food. However, chances are that heavily regulating the food service industry would probably eventually have a positive effect on obesity rates.
Well I am not willing to take those chances personally.....I like my dollars in my pocket.
Let people do like you did and make the right choices.
I don't need government or anyone else telling me what I can or cannot eat.....
Let people screw themselves with the bad choices they make.....0 -
Perhaps if they make healthy food more affordable people would buy that with their last dollar instead of the cheeseburger..0
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If anything needs to be regulated it's the weight-loss industry. This is by far the biggest and most vocal source of 'weight-loss' information available to the average person, and it's 99% BS. It specifically glosses over the basic concept of eat less and move more, drowning out any government funded education attempts by promising easy, 'buy yourself skinny' fixes that are attractive to people who are already under-active and over-consuming.
And if you try to tell someone matter of fact 'you are overweight because you eat too much, and move too little', they get offended and say you are 'shaming' them. Sorry, that's not an insult - it's just a simple statement of scientific fact.
Not that I agree with true fat-shaming, of course. I'd never support 'point and laugh' type behavior. But hiding the truth doesn't help anyone.
People need to become aware that you can choose your size.0 -
Perhaps if they make healthy food more affordable people would buy that with their last dollar instead of the cheeseburger..
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I will let Johnnythan take that one.0 -
Personally, if they want to regulate fast food, they should also regulate the size of portions served in ALL restaurants, because it's absolutely insane. We don't eat out often, except when we travel, and I'm always floored by the amount of food served.
You couldn't regulate how much of the food you ate?
We need government to do that??
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If I could have regulated how much I ate, I wouldn't have got to the size I did. Self control was never my strong suit.
Now, that said, no, under no circumstances would I advocate for Government involvement in the matter.
I was just saying that if they did, there are many, many areas in which to turn their attention.0 -
If anything needs to be regulated it's the weight-loss industry. This is by far the biggest and most vocal source of 'weight-loss' information available to the average person, and it's 99% BS. It specifically glosses over the basic concept of eat less and move more, drowning out any government funded education attempts by promising easy, 'buy yourself skinny' fixes that are attractive to people who are already under-active and over-consuming.
And if you try to tell someone matter of fact 'you are overweight because you eat too much, and move too little', they get offended and say you are 'shaming' them. Sorry, that's not an insult - it's just a simple statement of scientific fact.
Not that I agree with true fat-shaming, of course. I'd never support 'point and laugh' type behavior. But hiding the truth doesn't help anyone.
People need to become aware that you can choose your size.
No one is forcing you to buy their product.....
We don't need regulations....
People need to learn to regulate themselves.0 -
Perhaps if they make healthy food more affordable people would buy that with their last dollar instead of the cheeseburger..
"Healthy" food isn't really any more expensive. It just requires more prep time and doesn't taste as good.0 -
My thoughts are: Total rubbish. I hardly ever ate fast food and was 230Lbs at my heaviest. Caloric surpluses cause obesity (and in some cases, medical conditions) but not eating fast food. Sure, most people who eat mostly/only fast food are probably getting too many calories, but if fast food wasn't available, does anybody think for a second that those same people would suddenly start shedding pounds? No. They would still overeat just the same. There are plenty of people (some MFP members can attest) who eat fast food DAILY but make wise choices and continue to lose weight/maintain a healthy weight. Also, I'm fairly certain many, if not MOST sit-down restaurants/diners have a decent selection of menu items that out-calorie a Big Mac. Are we going to regulate those as well?? It's up to the individual what they do with their diet, not the government.0
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I do think it would be good to prohibit the advertising of certain foods to children.0
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I think governments should use education, not regulation, to battle obesity.
This. Although research has shown that publishing the calories of each dish in fast food and restaurant menus has not changed what people order. Baffles me, as it totally changed what I order! I guess even armed with information, people will only change their behavior when they are willing to do so.
It has changed what I order as well! Yes I may want a Big Mac but when I look at how many calories I have I'm not wasting it on something that has that much. People will only change when they want and at least these restaurants publishing the calories has had an impact on a few people. Can't win them all.0 -
People need to learn to regulate
That's a nice sentiment, but it's not a goal or a process. It's not a plan. Waving your hands in the air and saying "oh people should just lose weight" is not an actual method for reducing the average BMI of a populace.0 -
There are exactly zero fast food chains where I live. Look at me all fat. What are they going to do to us? Take away our grocery store?0
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People need to learn to regulate
That's a nice sentiment, but it's not a goal or a process. It's not a plan. Waving your hands in the air and saying "oh people should just lose weight" is not an actual method for reducing the average BMI of a populace.
I fail to see why the US government needs to take my tax dollars and to it then....
They regulate enough here as it is.....they need to stop.
But as I said earlier....
Some how you managed to regulate yourself and lost a lot of weight, and are no on here educating people to do the right thing.....
Didn't need government for that did you.....
I am trying to do the same thing......
So I am not "waving my hands"...0 -
I do think it would be good to prohibit the advertising of certain foods to children.
wouldn't it be the parents that buy the food for children?0 -
People need to learn to regulate
That's a nice sentiment, but it's not a goal or a process. It's not a plan. Waving your hands in the air and saying "oh people should just lose weight" is not an actual method for reducing the average BMI of a populace.
I fail to see why the US government needs to take my tax dollars and to it then....
They regulate enough here as it is.....they need to stop.
But as I said earlier....
Some how you managed to regulate yourself and lost a lot of weight, and are no on here educating people to do the right thing.....
Didn't need government for that did you.....
I am trying to do the same thing......
So I am not "waving my hands"...
Not waving your hands? OK.
What's your actual plan to reduce obesity in America? Plans involve actions, not statements about what "people should do."0 -
I think they should just have narrower doors on the entrance to fast food joints. Or like, Y-shaped ones, so bodybuilders can get in but you keep the fatties out.
LOL, I say make doors detect people's IQs and see just how many are kept out LOL
Oh and remember this. I have known many a person who enjoyed putting down overweight people and sure enough down the road, maybe 10, 20 years later they themselves were fighting weight gain, not so funny for them then LOL0 -
I like the idea. The food industry is putting so much junk in our food that we don't know about. And this stuff kills over time. I like the regulation because I enjoy a little extra help now and again. Not to mention some accountability in the food industry.
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I am trying to do the same thing......
So I am not "waving my hands"...
Not waving your hands? OK.
What's your actual plan to reduce obesity in America? Plans involve actions, not statements about what "people should do."
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the smartest thing to do: don't put more money into useless regulations. Put the money back into the educational system. Start with the children in elementary school, and include education on nutrition, physical fitness, and finances, and have classes on all three in every grade, every year, until they graduate. Then you have educated, healthy people going out into the real world who know how to manage their money, stay fit, make good nutritional choices, and will still keep the fast food industry in business by going there only occasionallly.0 -
The food industry is putting so much junk in our food that we don't know about. And this stuff kills over time.
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I do think it would be good to prohibit the advertising of certain foods to children.
wouldn't it be the parents that buy the food for children?
Children buy it as well. I read something recently about how effective advertising is on children, and their specific examples were food and drink. The kids who saw advertising for specific foods were much, much more likely to consume them than kids who didn't see the ads. The gulf was a lot wider than that seen in adults, too.0 -
Not waving your hands? OK.
What's your actual plan to reduce obesity in America? Plans involve actions, not statements about what "people should do."
I don't need a plan
I have my own.....
Just as you have yours....
Why do we need to have plans???
You want my plan???
OK here it is
Pay your own medical bills
Live with the choices you make, no bailouts
start in that arena, and things will change one way or the other
If you get a plane ticket and you are fat, and spill into the seat next to you....then pay for two seats, not one0 -
It's an interesting concept and while this -
- sounds good to me, I think it would be extremely difficult to put into action.Suggested policies include economic incentives for growers to sell healthy, fresh foods; disincentives for industries to sell ultra-processed foods and soft drinks; cutting subsidies to growers and companies who use large amounts of fertilizers, pesticides, chemicals and antibiotics; and tighter regulation of fast-food advertising, especially to children.
And the advertising for children is unlikely to have much impact. Parents decide where to eat. Too many parents think they are too busy to cook for their children.0 -
We don't need more regulation. we need more education on nutrition and fitness in public schools.0
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