Spinning my wheels
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@ tavistock toad
I think it's fair to say that this boy in particurlar was in fact abit stupid despite whatever his cert said up on the wall :laugh:0 -
That's gross calories I don't eat back exercise calories
Funny enough I'd much prefer more food than more calorie dense foods , I have a pretty solid appetite I think0 -
That's gross calories I don't eat back exercise calories
Funny enough I'd much prefer more food than more calorie dense foods , I have a pretty solid appetite I think
do you feel satisfied with what you eat now, or are you ignoring being hungry because you dont want to eat more?0 -
If you can, I'd start with 100. 50 is such a small amount (less than one biscuit or piece of fruit, often) that it's easy to be lost in the background.
An extra 500 sounds like a good start. I suspect it's quite likely you may find the that if you stick at 1900 for a while you may STILL need more for maintenance - your body may burn a bit more if it gets a bit more.
Weight lifting is going to bump that up too. As an idea, I can about maintain on 3000 calories when doing weights every other day. when I was around 170-180lb or so. That's a good bit more than maitenance for your average man of that size and I expect the weights are the reason. If you want to then slowly add muscle, maybe 125 calories over your measure maintenance to go for a 'clean bulk'.0 -
That's gross calories I don't eat back exercise calories
Funny enough I'd much prefer more food than more calorie dense foods , I have a pretty solid appetite I think
do you feel satisfied with what you eat now, or are you ignoring being hungry because you dont want to eat more?
Like I'm not starving or anything but ya I could eat more definitely if I wanted to , I just kept choosing not to, to keep calories on the lower side
I have ignored a hunger pang every now and again
I'm def not one of them people who were overweight and then can't manage to eat more food once they are thin
This girl here likes her food , its the mental fear of regaining weight that was stopping me eating more0 -
Like I'm not starving or anything but ya I could eat more definitely if I wanted to , I just kept choosing not to, to keep calories on the lower side
I have ignored a hunger pang every now and again
I'm def not one of them people who were overweight and then can't manage to eat more food once they are thin
This girl here likes her food , its the mental fear of regaining weight that was stopping me eating more
then crack on, and see what happens!
what are your feelings on not weighing yourself for a while?0 -
An extra 500 sounds like a good start. I suspect it's quite likely you may find the that if you stick at 1900 for a while you may STILL need more for maintenance - your body may burn a bit more if it gets a bit more.
Weight lifting is going to bump that up too. As an idea, I can about maintain on 3000 calories when doing weights every other day. when I was around 170-180lb or so. That's a good bit more than maitenance for your average man of that size and I expect the weights are the reason. If you want to then slowly add muscle, maybe 125 calories over your measure maintenance to go for a 'clean bulk'.
i increased my maintenance fom 1800 to 2000 by doing more exercise, specifically lifting and resistance stuff.0 -
If you can, I'd start with 100. 50 is such a small amount (less than one biscuit or piece of fruit, often) that it's easy to be lost in the background.
An extra 500 sounds like a good start. I suspect it's quite likely you may find the that if you stick at 1900 for a while you may STILL need more for maintenance - your body may burn a bit more if it gets a bit more.
Weight lifting is going to bump that up too. As an idea, I can about maintain on 3000 calories when doing weights every other day. when I was around 170-180lb or so. That's a good bit more than maitenance for your average man of that size and I expect the weights are the reason. If you want to then slowly add muscle, maybe 125 calories over your measure maintenance to go for a 'clean bulk'.
Okay so say go to 1500 and stay there for how long before increasing again ?
2 weeks they normally give is it ?
It's funny I've seen the most consistent weight loses in the last 3 weeks since I dropped some cardio so I'd say water was playing havoc for awhile , sure my cortisol was constantly elevated had it tested 4 times
Oh I really hope my lifting improves with calorie increase nothing more frustrating that not getting them weights up0 -
@ Tavistock Toad
Ah ditching the scale would be another battle , I've kind of became accustomed to see water weight changes and stuff like that now and not freaking out so much
I'm just afraid if I was to only weigh so often and then say like today be up nearly 2Ibs more than I was Sunday I'd freak out and be convinced it was fat whereas seeing that 2Ibs up today I know can't be fat so I'm guessing its from upping weight on my lifts this week0 -
I'd be tempted to go for 10 days over 14.
That should be enough to iron most kinks and get a good average.
Remember 100 calories should mean losing .2lb a week less.
I always advise weighing every day and ignoring the daily figures IF YOU CAN. Then use it for an average/graph to show a general trend. But of course that sort of thing doesn't help everyone. I don't particularly do this myself I admit, though I do weigh daily and get an idea - but I'm not too bothered by rates right now as overall I'm happy with what's going on.
When I get back to target weight, hopefully it'll be a different matter.
I will know the feeling with lifts - I've lost over 25lb in the last couple of months and as expected, my lifts stopped going up towards the end of December. I've been bouncing about a bit and may try a different routine, but reality is that losing 1.75lb a week or so I'm not going to see improvements until I can be eating an average of 1125 calories a day more! I am looking forward to that point, however
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I don't have anything else to add except to say that you should learn to TRUST YOURSELF--all the knowledge, tools and support that you've gained that enabled you to lose almost 100 lbs will still be there. If for some reason you up your calories and find yourself gaining fat, just know that you've lost fat in the past and you can do so in a healthy, sustainable manner again.
The body is an amazing, changing thing. We're not meant to stay a static weight or exact body fat percentage. We have to be good to ourselves mentally and not be so hard on ourselves.0 -
Is weight loss that predictable though like especially at my current weight because when I don't see results on the scale I start doubting the whole process and get nervous again that maybe my maintainance isnt where I thought it would be and the thoughts start creeping back in again and bam old patterns start reoccurring
Ya ill keep weighing daily so I can track fluatuations and ignore if needs be otherwise if I just randomly jump on the scale and see a rise I'm afraid ill think oh I've overshot maintainance and start cutting again
That's one thing I keep trying to drill in to my head upping calories means better progress in the weights room im hoping it will keep me on track
Coming from a weight loss mind frame do you think you'll have any problem going into a bulk ?
I think it's hard to get your head around that or is that just me ?0 -
Weight loss isn't entirely predictable.
Less so for women who tend to have more hormonal changes.
I definitely have NO trouble eating more food.
Just checked and yesterday I ate around 3224 calories food (my diary has a -1000 figure for a workout day , which is why it shows up weird) - I could have easily eaten more. But as before, that's of course why I'm here because I do rather like eating.
What's hard for me is going to eating not much from eating loads every day.
In the end, for muscle you DO want to overshoot maintenance a little bit anyway.
As I say, you know that you can lose weight. You've got a boyfriend that would be happy for you to weigh more - so there's no worries there. So, even if you get a run of higher numbers on the scales with a bit more weight (as it could be a little more water weight and so on), I'd suggest it's best to ignore it and keep going like that for a week or two.
Set yourself a sensible time limit like a couple of weeks at least to keep going - the fact that I know I can lose weight is partly why I tend to yo-yo. I just let "a couple of weeks" of bad eating become "five months". As I'm quite 'experienced' at losing weight, it makes it easier for me to say "oh, next week I'll be good", especially as last summer life was rather busy and I was travelling around a bit working in random places etc.0 -
Is weight loss that predictable though like especially at my current weight because when I don't see results on the scale I start doubting the whole process and get nervous again that maybe my maintainance isnt where I thought it would be and the thoughts start creeping back in again and bam old patterns start reoccurring
Ya ill keep weighing daily so I can track fluatuations and ignore if needs be otherwise if I just randomly jump on the scale and see a rise I'm afraid ill think oh I've overshot maintainance and start cutting again
That's one thing I keep trying to drill in to my head upping calories means better progress in the weights room im hoping it will keep me on track
Coming from a weight loss mind frame do you think you'll have any problem going into a bulk ?
I think it's hard to get your head around that or is that just me ?
I have to say, I impressed with your intelligence, humor and (yes) level headedness. I can tell you are actually a level headed person who just happens to feel 'unlevel' at this point in time!
Since you have decided to keep weighing, how are you going to feel about seeing upward changes? Do you feel it might trigger you to restrict?0 -
I have to say, I impressed with your intelligence, humor and (yes) level headedness. I can tell you are actually a level headed person who just happens to feel 'unlevel' at this point in time!
Since you have decided to keep weighing, how are you going to feel about seeing upward changes? Do you feel it might trigger you to restrict?
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Ha thank you , I do feel like this is extremely out of character for me Im surprised at myself for feeling like this
Im suppose its just a fear of ever being that overweight girl i was , and doubting that ability within myself that i now have the knowledge and tools to not go back there something I didnt have before
I think thats where this irrational thinking stems from, Im crazy but not completely crazy :laugh:
I still have a very up/down relationship with the scale , depending on my mood that day i suppose somedays i can hop on see a fluctuation , go ya whatever to myself and move about my day, but if im feeling any way vulnerable that day it can throw me
I have more of a gaining fat phobia that weight increase phobia , but of course seeing a weight increase puts a little fear in my head what if its fat , whereas if i was told it was muscle id be like "hell YA"
now if i was going from lean to fluffy i think id be okay but at the moment id be going from skinny fat to skinny fatter :noway:0 -
Okay guys , just looking for some reassurance
Today is my official weigh in , was 100.8Ibs last week , this week I'm hoovering around 102.4 all week
I'm Guessing it might be because I upped the weight on my lifts
Would my muscles still be retaining fluid ya ?
I know it's most likely just a fluctuation and no biggie but just looking for some reassurance
Agh this is where one side of my brain starts getting the better of me again0 -
Mixture of a lot of things.
But, looking at your diary there is NO WAY you put on that much in fat; not a chance. I doubt you put on ANY fat looking at your diary.
Even further of course and something you ARE trying to solve, not that me mentioning would help... but likely it wouldn't harm and might even help you to put on a bit of fat. 0 -
I would be ok with putting on muscle , not so much fat ! Still have some fat lingering on my lower belly
You see this is what I mean , got a bad nights sleep last night and that little devil on my shoulder is playing up again
I just need talking down again , and unfortuetely for ye , ye are the only ones that know the story so I'm going pick at yer brains ye poor souls :laugh:0 -
As you are only 100lbs, I wonder if maybe you should actually be trying to gain a little fat as well as muscle?0
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It is unlikely you will regain the weight you lost, you are far too controlled for that. But now, you need to take that control and use it in your favour to prove you can get past this mental block you seem to have. At one time, just over a year ago, I went on a months long binging bender due to emotional upset. I had before been obsessed with the scale, terrified of gaining weight, fretting if the number went up. Well, during those months of daily, severe binge eating, I gained 14Ibs. I had hardly exercised during that time. Once the weight was on, I thought, right, might as well start the weights now, do something useful. I upped my protein, hit the weights, and within months I was sitting at 12-14% bodyfat and was very lean, in spite of the fact I was still those 14Ibs heavier than I had been. So, you see, even if you did put on some fat, you would be able to take it off again without needing to resort to undereating. Getting to this low weight has not given you the stomach you desire, so maybe it is time to try a different tactic and to remember that a) putting a little weight back on will not harm you and b) You will not simply keep on gaining as you will be able to experiment and adjust to stop once you hit a point you are happy at.0
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Well I took a leap yesterday and told my boyfriend everything that I told ye
He was shocked that I was still at such low calories , he said he wasn't mad at me about it but was disappointed I had lied for the last few weeks about my intake
He said now he thinks I do have a major problem and he didn't know what to do
I possibly went through every emotion under the sun during that talk
He said the gloves are off now , he was holding back all along because he said he was the last person in the world that wanted to hurt me but he doesn't care anymore its for my good in the long run
His going to be regularly checking my food diary he told me , I have promised to eat 1500 calories every day this week of course he wanted me at 1600 but that was overwhelming to me so we're meeting half way
Today's a fresh week , the excuses need to stop I need to end this today
Positive thoughts lead to positive actions so
I WILL , I CAN , I AM going to do this !!
This has controlled me and my mind for too long it's time to put it to bed0 -
Well done! Glad he's being supportive.
Do try and make sure it doesn't become a wedge between you, if you find yourself having 'problems', then start resenting his nagging, where he's trying to help and so on.0 -
Ya he has already told me that I can kick and scream all I want now he won't be giving in
He said even though his never went through any thing like it he understands that I'm struggling and his willing to help me through it but that he can't help me if I keep lying to him so I'm gunna be honest instead of putting on that brave face I'm going to tell him what I'm feeling and hopefully his perspective will help me through it because the majority of the time I know my thoughts are abit crazy so maybe someone else pointing that out is what I need to snap out of it
Of course he still wants me to put on weight but baby steps we'll get to a maintainance range first , gaining weight is still very overwhelming for me0 -
Good luck hon, wish you all the best.0
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Yeah, you need to talk to someone. Even if you cry you need to talk to them. It's time to get help.
I just dont feel strong enough to talk to someone about it , i keep feeling ill get this under control myself
I feel embarassed about it, i know my thinking isnt rational
I had a problem once, and I didn't want to talk to anyone because every time I thought about it I would start crying. But it didn't get better, in fact it got worse. So I went in and cried. And you know what? It wasn't the end of the world and I got the help I needed. It really is OK to stop pretending that you are OK. :flowerforyou:
I am genuinely afraid to say it out loud! I dont want to be the girl who took her weight loss too far
Ive always been known for being so well grounded and Im very common sense driven usually, i mean people come to me if they need a reality check , this is why im so confused at my feelings now, i would have never imagined id feel this way
id absolutely hate for any of my family to find out
I am sorry to say dear, but it sounds like you are already "that girl". You can not be too afraid to say it aloud and clearly realize there is a problem since you are expressing your feelings here and realize there is a problem. If you continue to keep going the way you are, you will be extremely unhealthy under 100lbs. There is a reason people eat more & up their protein when weight lifting, your muscles need those nutrients! You are not going to fix (what sounds to be the start of) your eating disorder or gain muscle with the route you are going.
While I completely understand the fear of gaining weight, losing more is not the solution and is definitely not healthy. You need to up your calories to maintenance then slowly get into a mind set where you realize in order to gain the muscle you want, you will probably need to gain a good 5-10lbs. I am so glad you saught help with your boyfriend, hopefully this truly helps you and he is able to give you the support and motivation to stay strong. Best of luck!0 -
Good luck hon, wish you all the best.
Thank you so much , means alot 0 -
I am sorry to say dear, but it sounds like you are already "that girl". You can not be too afraid to say it aloud and clearly realize there is a problem since you are expressing your feelings here and realize there is a problem. If you continue to keep going the way you are, you will be extremely unhealthy under 100lbs. There is a reason people eat more & up their protein when weight lifting, your muscles need those nutrients! You are not going to fix (what sounds to be the start of) your eating disorder or gain muscle with the route you are going.
While I completely understand the fear of gaining weight, losing more is not the solution and is definitely not healthy. You need to up your calories to maintenance then slowly get into a mind set where you realize in order to gain the muscle you want, you will probably need to gain a good 5-10lbs. I am so glad you saught help with your boyfriend, hopefully this truly helps you and he is able to give you the support and motivation to stay strong. Best of luck!
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Hi ,
Yep I have came to terms with the fact I do have a problem , how big or small that problem is I don't know to be honest
I have made a promise to myself and my boyfriend if I can't tackle it this time there's no where else to go but get professional help
Will it come to that ? I have no idea , I feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulder telling my boyfriend the truth and I feel so mentally strong at the moment because of it , of course I'll have bad days aswell but I'm going to try and take the good with the bad
I'm going to jot down on paper how I'm feeling today and why I'm feeling like this and then when I'm having a bad day I can sit down and read what I MYSELF wrote down and hopefully that'll help me past it
I think the guilt of lying to my boyfriend was adding more stress and then I was making excuses and continuing to restrict because I already felt weak and helpless
I'm hoping this is what I needed to nip this in the butt
Thank you for your message , I'm truly taking on board and listening to what everyone has to say probably for the first time actually 0 -
Seems you're pretty logicial with a decent head on you - but I still wouldn't rule out seeing what 'professional' help can offer.
There's no shame in at least finding what someone who may have studied the area for a few years and dealt with people who have similar problems day in day out has to say.
Not of course that I always trust such things will work for me - especially as I myself am often coldly-logical and placebos rarely work with me etc.
But I'd still try another appointment when your normal Doctor is back. 0 -
Oh, sweetie, I swear I could've written everything you said myself. You can do it. I'm still working through it, so I don't have a lot of answers, but you don't want to get to where I had to before I started fixing things. I LOVE lifting, and I went through plateaus, then had to start lowering my weights, and then started injuring myself at the lower weights before I conceded that I might need to eat more.
You WILL NOT gain it all back. Keep telling yourself that you know how to lose weight -- you did it once, so you can do it again if you have to. This time, you'll be more conscious of what's going on, so you can make little adjustments along the way. On some days, I'm convinced my body defies the laws of physics and will pack on 25 pounds literally overnight, but every day that goes by when I'm eating more and that doesn't happen, the less I'm afraid of it. It also helps that I started feeling better after only about a week when I started eating more on a regular basis. I didn't realize that I was consistently feeling slightly broken before that.
If you ever want to talk (or vent) about it to someone who knows a little bit about what you're going through, feel free to message me.0 -
MACnificence,
I'm glad to see you are actually considering getting help. It's very important that you follow through with seeking professional help for your health.
If you diary is accurate, I doubt you ARE eating at maintenance, and you seem to have plenty of calories left over at the end of the day. Your weight is very low.0
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