I have a slow metabolism

usmcmp

so I am probably under-counting my peanut butter = D and oreos....oh no! :sad: :sad:

I'll watch the docu later. I do believe this. There is no magic pill

I usually just scoop and call it good with peanut butter. When I'm being accurate I put the jar on the scale, zero it and then scoop the number of grams out for a serving (2 tablespoons is usually 32 grams). That way I can lick the spoon guilt free.

SideSteel

so I am probably under-counting my peanut butter = D and oreos....oh no! :sad: :sad:

I'll watch the docu later. I do believe this. There is no magic pill

I usually just scoop and call it good with peanut butter. When I'm being accurate I put the jar on the scale, zero it and then scoop the number of grams out for a serving (2 tablespoons is usually 32 grams). That way I can lick the spoon guilt free.

In other news, I've changed my name to "the spoon".

usmcmp

so I am probably under-counting my peanut butter = D and oreos....oh no! :sad: :sad:

I'll watch the docu later. I do believe this. There is no magic pill

I usually just scoop and call it good with peanut butter. When I'm being accurate I put the jar on the scale, zero it and then scoop the number of grams out for a serving (2 tablespoons is usually 32 grams). That way I can lick the spoon guilt free.

In other news, I've changed my name to "the spoon".

:blushing:

CallMeCupcakeDammit

so I am probably under-counting my peanut butter = D and oreos....oh no! :sad: :sad:

I'll watch the docu later. I do believe this. There is no magic pill

I usually just scoop and call it good with peanut butter. When I'm being accurate I put the jar on the scale, zero it and then scoop the number of grams out for a serving (2 tablespoons is usually 32 grams). That way I can lick the spoon guilt free.

In other news, I've changed my name to "the spoon".

I've changed mine to "the dishwasher".

jonnythan

But the spoon goes in the dis.......... oooo.

DebraYvonne

so I am probably under-counting my peanut butter = D and oreos....oh no! :sad: :sad:

I'll watch the docu later. I do believe this. There is no magic pill

I usually just scoop and call it good with peanut butter. When I'm being accurate I put the jar on the scale, zero it and then scoop the number of grams out for a serving (2 tablespoons is usually 32 grams). That way I can lick the spoon guilt free.

In other news, I've changed my name to "the spoon".

I've changed mine to "the dishwasher".

BAHAHAHA!!! I love it!!

_Terrapin_

This is exactly what I thought. Then I had my metabolism tested, expecting to see a ridiculously low number, and my RMR came back over 1600. The nutritionist said my metabolism was actually higher than average for someone with my stats. It came down to inconsistent logging. Shocker!

we have ways of helping; when I figure them out, I'll let you know

SideSteel

so I am probably under-counting my peanut butter = D and oreos....oh no! :sad: :sad:

I'll watch the docu later. I do believe this. There is no magic pill

I usually just scoop and call it good with peanut butter. When I'm being accurate I put the jar on the scale, zero it and then scoop the number of grams out for a serving (2 tablespoons is usually 32 grams). That way I can lick the spoon guilt free.

In other news, I've changed my name to "the spoon".

I've changed mine to "the dishwasher".

LMFAO

SLLRunner

It's much easier to blame something else for weight gain rather than admiting we are eating too much.

Excellent information you've provided.

SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish

Great post, but I'd reverse numbers you wrote 1-3 to 3-1, most (including myself) have the accuracy of caloric intake problem first and foremost, "metabolism" is an "ah that's interesting" point. Even studies done with dietitians and health professionals showed they ALSO under estimated food intake, and they are supposed to be good at this, right?

All the "why am I gaining weight, I track everything" posts should look here first: so who are you to think you are perfect and not over eating, are you so good at recording your calories that you are better at it than people who get paid to do it for a living and probably have more education on it than you? Of course you aren't. You are almost always under-reporting. I can always find SOMETHING later that I'd forgotten to record...so I'm probably not remembering or over-portioning something else...

And 2) most MFP activities could benefit with a calorie calculation subtracting the BMR for that hour before recording that hour of activity for "credit". Yes you raised your burn, however sitting on your *kitten* you'd burn a significant amount thats counted in your activity level: subtract that, you cant double count!

NycoleML

Thanks! Watching the video later...

MrsK20141004

Bump to read later!

usmcmp

Great post, but I'd reverse numbers you wrote 1-3 to 3-1, most (including myself) have the accuracy of caloric intake problem first and foremost, "metabolism" is an "ah that's interesting" point. Even studies done with dietitians and health professionals showed they ALSO under estimated food intake, and they are supposed to be good at this, right?

All the "why am I gaining weight, I track everything" posts should look here first: so who are you to think you are perfect and not over eating, are you so good at recording your calories that you are better at it than people who get paid to do it for a living and probably have more education on it than you? Of course you aren't. You are almost always under-reporting. I can always find SOMETHING later that I'd forgotten to record...so I'm probably not remembering or over-portioning something else...

And 2) most MFP activities could benefit with a calorie calculation subtracting the BMR for that hour before recording that hour of activity for "credit". Yes you raised your burn, however sitting on your *kitten* you'd burn a significant amount thats counted in your activity level: subtract that, you cant double count!

I didn't write those points. That came from the video's description. I only wrote the first paragraph. When I get messages from people who say they are doing it all correct here's my order of correction:

1. Checking TDEE and setting an appropriate calorie goal. (I stress that exercise is part of TDEE and not counted as extra)
2. Weigh and measure everything. Zero nibbles or bites or tastes. Log ahead of time and stick with it.
3. Adequate protein (depends on person and goals)
4. Drink water and be active.

Usually if someone follows all those for two weeks they will see weight loss.

EvenThatNameIsTaken

Great post. I found the rest of the video on vimeo if anyone is interested:

https://player.vimeo.com/video/18339967

Hope it's ok to share that.

runninghome

Thank you for posting this. Just finished watching it. So helpful and making me look at the "reasons" why I think I cannot lose weight.

Ninkyou

Great post.

kbkeats

Good post

ashleypip

bump

tracydr

I've had sleep apnea patients lose weight from cpap. There is something going on there. I had an Army soldier lose 50 lbs without trying when he got on cpap.

evileen99

Late to the party, but had to chime in.

I used to do metabolic testing at a hospital, and only about 3% of the population has what can be considered a "slow" metabolism. Almost universally the overweight people I teses blamed their weight gain on a slow metabolism and did not believe the test results because they all believed that they hardlt ate anything.

evileen99

I've had sleep apnea patients lose weight from cpap. There is something going on there. I had an Army soldier lose 50 lbs without trying when he got on cpap.

That's because they are now getting good, restful sleep.
Sleep deprivation makes you crave carbs (for the blood glucose spike) and you overeat.

Serah87

:drinker:

Psysix

I agree. I always thought I must have a slow metabolism too but a couple weeks ago I had a test done and found my metabolism is just below the normal mark, but still in the normal range. With diet and exercise, I'm sure I can get it above that number too.

usmcmp

I've had sleep apnea patients lose weight from cpap. There is something going on there. I had an Army soldier lose 50 lbs without trying when he got on cpap.

How many? Were they tested for other potential medical issues or metabolic disorders? Most likely they started getting better sleep and started eating less.

There is an association between sleep apnea, sleepiness, inflammation, and insulin resistance, all promoting atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease. If you reverse that by increasing sleep thereby decreasing sleepiness, reducing inflammation and reducing insulin resistance you improve cardiovascular condition.

There are studies where patients who face sleep restriction due to sleep apnea show increased plasma glucose, fasting insulin, total cholesterol, triglycerides and oxidative stress markers while HDL-cholesterol level and glucose tolerance were decreased. Combine that with increased carbohydrate intake to improve levels of serotonin, endorphins and glucose you have a recipe for weight gain. Increasing restful sleep could potentially reverse that with little effort.

usmcmp

I've had sleep apnea patients lose weight from cpap. There is something going on there. I had an Army soldier lose 50 lbs without trying when he got on cpap.

How many? Were they tested for other potential medical issues or metabolic disorders? Most likely they started getting better sleep and started eating less.

There is an association between sleep apnea, sleepiness, inflammation, and insulin resistance, all promoting atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease. If you reverse that by increasing sleep thereby decreasing sleepiness, reducing inflammation and reducing insulin resistance you improve cardiovascular condition.

There are studies where patients who face sleep restriction due to sleep apnea show increased plasma glucose, fasting insulin, total cholesterol, triglycerides and oxidative stress markers while HDL-cholesterol level and glucose tolerance were decreased. Combine that with increased carbohydrate intake to improve levels of serotonin, endorphins and glucose you have a recipe for weight gain. Increasing restful sleep could potentially reverse that with little effort.

can you cite the study?

I can't find the original (of course).

Here's one. It says that insulin resistance was increased, so I may have been wrong about that.

*After 6 months on CPAP* CPAP effectively improved hypoxia. However, subjects had increased insulin and insulin resistance. Fasting ghrelin decreased significantly while leptin, adiponectin and resistin remained unchanged. Forty percent of patients gained weight significantly. Changes in body weight directly correlated with changes in insulin and IR.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3146428/

There is a similar experiment done on rats, but almost verbatum what I said for the outcome of sleep disruption. (*I do understand that rodent studies and trials are not able to directly translate to humans in many cases).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24486392

There is one about better subjective sleep quality increasing the likelihood of weight-loss success,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22402738

Trying a reverse search for it only yields results for weight loss helping sleep apnea, not sleep apnea causing weight loss. Rather, several articles talk about how CPAP may cause weight gain.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2546451/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24127141

Now that I've indulged you can we maybe move this discussion to a different post? It isn't exactly relevant to my OP.

My original post is about how many of us think we have a slow metabolism, but for the majority of the population it is a matter of under reporting food intake.

AlwaysInMotion

I do have PCOS (verified by multiple blood tests and by ultrasound) but I am not a special snowflake either.. If I eat a lower carb diet and count calories and exercise, I can lose weight. If I quit losing weight, I have either started slacking on exercise/logging OR I have been eating way too many simple carbs

^^^ Whoa! Exact same boat here! ^^^
And I never play the "slow metabolism" card, either! When I broke my leg, I also discovered I'm not "big boned" - quite the opposite actually. So, pretty much all my tired old excuses went right out the window. I totally know why I'm fat. And I know what I have to do to fix it. Now it's just about executing the plan correctly.

calibriintx

Bump!

I can't decide if I was relieved or crushed when I realized that a) I don't have a slow metabolism, b) my frame really isn't that large, and c) my Dr was wrong when he told me that b/c of my PCOS it would be almost impossible for me to lose weight.

NeIIaBeIIa

bump to watch video later

AlwaysInMotion

I can't decide if I was relieved or crushed when I realized that a) I don't have a slow metabolism, b) my frame really isn't that large, and c) my Dr was wrong when he told me that b/c of my PCOS it would be almost impossible for me to lose weight.

When anyone (doctors included) tells me I likely can't do, change, or improve something, well... that's all the motivation I need to prove them so very, very wrong. And if they are ultimately right (hasn't happened yet), well at least I can say I did everything I possibly could. (BTW: I lost 120 lbs *after* my diagnosis. So there, PCOS.)

Many people have health issues & disorders <pick your diagnosis>, but that doesn't mean they *have* us.

Francl27

Bump!

I can't decide if I was relieved or crushed when I realized that a) I don't have a slow metabolism, b) my frame really isn't that large, and c) my Dr was wrong when he told me that b/c of my PCOS it would be almost impossible for me to lose weight.

Yeah it's a bit sad when you realize that your metabolism is actually pretty good :laugh:

My frame IS large though. But down the road it doesn't seem to make much of a difference, I still have too much fat at 138 lbs... I just will never be able to fit in a S shirt (unless the brand also has XS, lol) or size 0 jeans (or 2.. or 4).