Skinny people who think they know better...
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The skinny people I know eat horribly. Just this morning. Strawberry milk and doughnuts one posted. Just because someone is skinny doesnt make them healthy. THATS what I cant stand lol. I know a few who eat awful everyday. Well just bc youre skinny doesnt mean your arteries and heart are in great shape!
Please stop. :noway:
^I agree with this. You have no clue about their bloodwork. Just because someone had a doughnut and strawberry milk doesn't make them unhealthy.0 -
The skinny people I know eat horribly. Just this morning. Strawberry milk and doughnuts one posted. Just because someone is skinny doesnt make them healthy. THATS what I cant stand lol. I know a few who eat awful everyday. Well just bc youre skinny doesnt mean your arteries and heart are in great shape!
Please stop. :noway:
^I agree with this. You have no clue about their bloodwork. Just because someone had a doughnut and strawberry milk doesn't make them unhealthy.
If she doesn't mention yummy treats people will say she probably starves and has no fun, etc.
If she mentions her Valentine's doughnut and strawberry milk then she is skinny and unhealthy.
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Exactly spot on...we are all here for one purpose really, to help one another. Take everything as it comes, store the knowledge everyone is sharing and keep moving forward.0
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The skinny people I know eat horribly. Just this morning. Strawberry milk and doughnuts one posted. Just because someone is skinny doesnt make them healthy. THATS what I cant stand lol. I know a few who eat awful everyday. Well just bc youre skinny doesnt mean your arteries and heart are in great shape!
Please stop. :noway:
^I agree with this. You have no clue about their bloodwork. Just because someone had a doughnut and strawberry milk doesn't make them unhealthy.
If she doesn't mention yummy treats people will say she probably starves and has no fun, etc.
If she mentions her Valentine's doughnut and strawberry milk then she is skinny and unhealthy.
Etc...
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Just asking....
Do you think shes never had a weight problem because she watches her diet and works out? I used to be a skinny gal until I wasnt, lol. Ate what I wanted and stayed thin. When I turned 28 things changed. Anyway, my point is, when I realized I had crossed over to the dark side I started to work out. I saw all the skinny girls really working out hardcore. I thought to mysef "why are they here, they are skinny". I came to realize they were skinny because they were working for it and always had.
She's healthy and has healthy eating habits. That's why it bothered me actually... I don't think someone who has always had healthy eating and exercising habits is the best person to give her opinion about weight loss, when she probably has no idea what it's like to love calorie-heavy food, have binge issues etc.
But apparently, because I've learned most of what I know from MFP, it's wrong too. Whatever...
I know others have commented on this, but seriously are you for real? Do you honestly think that everyone of a healthy body weight is there because they dont love calorie heavy food? Leaving aside all the people on this site who promote flexible dieting etc, do you realise that the large proportion of the western world are of a health body weight? That most of those people love cake, pizza, chips etc? Do you think that they are that way because they actually prefer kale and getting up at 6am to go for a run? Do you think they have never had an emotional crisis and cured it with an entire tub of Ben and Jerrys and a late night family size pizza are on their own?
Or could it be that they have learnt to manage food and exercise so they can enjoy life and still remain in shape. Perhaps they know what they are talking about?0 -
The skinny people I know eat horribly. Just this morning. Strawberry milk and doughnuts one posted. Just because someone is skinny doesnt make them healthy. THATS what I cant stand lol. I know a few who eat awful everyday. Well just bc youre skinny doesnt mean your arteries and heart are in great shape!
Please stop. :noway:
^I agree with this. You have no clue about their bloodwork. Just because someone had a doughnut and strawberry milk doesn't make them unhealthy.
If she doesn't mention yummy treats people will say she probably starves and has no fun, etc.
If she mentions her Valentine's doughnut and strawberry milk then she is skinny and unhealthy.
Etc...
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Everything comes down to self control in the end. It's just very difficult to achieve that once the balance has been lost. Thank god for places like this! I skirt around my own eating disorders all the time and have done since discovering crash diets when I was a teenager and losing my LBM. Exercise and MFP help me channel these issues to a manageable and healthy place.
I'm not skinny but I'm pretty lean and slim, I've never been overweight but it's a miracle. You would never know just how much difficult stuff regarding food is going on in my head. I've learned a lot about health and nutrition to deal with that. I try to stick to facts, but I haven't always been interested in the truth. Preferred short cuts.
Some of the fit and slim people I know, who were never fat, work really really hard to keep that way. No, not in the gym, but with every meal or at some point every day, where they go, nope, that's enough, don't eat for the sake of it, not hungry anymore, put the bag/box away. They aren't different from us, they just exercise self control. They also tend to have good boundaries and strong emotional self control and moderate in all the right places. Maybe MFP can teach me that, but I can't stray for too long coz of the carb creep that sneaks up on my greedy self.0 -
It's not just girls. My favorite piece of advice from skinnier guys is "just do 100 crunches every day".0
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The skinny people I know eat horribly. Just this morning. Strawberry milk and doughnuts one posted. Just because someone is skinny doesnt make them healthy. THATS what I cant stand lol. I know a few who eat awful everyday. Well just bc youre skinny doesnt mean your arteries and heart are in great shape!
Please stop. :noway:
^I agree with this. You have no clue about their bloodwork. Just because someone had a doughnut and strawberry milk doesn't make them unhealthy.
If she doesn't mention yummy treats people will say she probably starves and has no fun, etc.
If she mentions her Valentine's doughnut and strawberry milk then she is skinny and unhealthy.
Etc...
QFT
Also agree.
What is wrong with a little strawberry milk and doughnuts?
OP, the TDEE -35% may not be valid or doable for some or even most, but there is room for adjustment on this. A person who is morbidly obese absolutely can eat at TDEE -35%, and with the proper exercise regimen and macros, lean mass can be preserved. A person who has a few pounds to lose really shouldn't go under TDEE-20% on a regular basis, but what about flexible eating, intermittent fasting, cheat days, 5:2 plans (which I don't support really), gastric bypass and medically supervised VLCDs etc.? Even a couple days of TDEE-35% isn't going to have a negative health impact on a person with only a little to lose if the overall calorie consumption and macros are within the mean. Honestly, if I don't feel like eating, I don't force myself to eat. My overall calorie consumption is still pretty high, upwards of 2100-2200 on average. But you can bet that I have 1200 days here and there with no negative impact on my health or body composition. I also have 4000 calorie days with no negative impact on my health or body composition.
Point is, what you may see as bad advice, because you've "learned" on here that TDEE-20% is the most that a person should go into a deficit, may actually be sound advice in certain contexts. The whole concept of TDEE-20% (or -10% or -5%) is simplified for mass consumption and, frankly, easier to stick to. And for people who don't have a lot to lose, it remains sound advice.
But it doesn't make her advice any less correct.0 -
Just asking....
Do you think shes never had a weight problem because she watches her diet and works out? I used to be a skinny gal until I wasnt, lol. Ate what I wanted and stayed thin. When I turned 28 things changed. Anyway, my point is, when I realized I had crossed over to the dark side I started to work out. I saw all the skinny girls really working out hardcore. I thought to myself "why are they here, they are skinny". I came to realize they were skinny because they were working for it and always had.
Not all skinny people work for it, like what you said happened to you. Fit people, work for it. My sister was anorexic/skinny her whole life. She never exercised or watched what she ate once, was always shoving candy and junk food down her face, then when she started taking medication for her hyperthyroidism. BAM she ignored the doctor telling her to start eating healthy, she became fat and lazy and sits there eating VLCD shakes wondering why they aren't making her look like a model. Same thing happened with my brother only his age cough up with him. Now he always says, he can't eat ice cream without his butt inflating. As well as a friend of mine who is still skinny at 35 and eats hungry jacks all day everyday and can't even go for a walk, go up a flight of stairs or lift a few KG weights without complaining its too hard. I guess we are all different.
Skinny doesn't = healthy. Which is how i looked at this. I think when looking at someone who is fit and healthy i'd take there advice over someone who is skinny just as i would take advice from someone who has lost a lot of weight and has maintained for years. Then again i don't want to be skinny. I want to be fit like an athlete again. =D
I know the 'skinny' woman in question. She is healthy and strong, has muscles and can dead lift more than a lot of men I know. This woman knows her stuff. This thread is misconstrued from the original convo.0 -
Just asking....
Do you think shes never had a weight problem because she watches her diet and works out? I used to be a skinny gal until I wasnt, lol. Ate what I wanted and stayed thin. When I turned 28 things changed. Anyway, my point is, when I realized I had crossed over to the dark side I started to work out. I saw all the skinny girls really working out hardcore. I thought to myself "why are they here, they are skinny". I came to realize they were skinny because they were working for it and always had.
Not all skinny people work for it, like what you said happened to you. Fit people, work for it. My sister was anorexic/skinny her whole life. She never exercised or watched what she ate once, was always shoving candy and junk food down her face, then when she started taking medication for her hyperthyroidism. BAM she ignored the doctor telling her to start eating healthy, she became fat and lazy and sits there eating VLCD shakes wondering why they aren't making her look like a model. Same thing happened with my brother only his age cough up with him. Now he always says, he can't eat ice cream without his butt inflating. As well as a friend of mine who is still skinny at 35 and eats hungry jacks all day everyday and can't even go for a walk, go up a flight of stairs or lift a few KG weights without complaining its too hard. I guess we are all different.
Skinny doesn't = healthy. Which is how i looked at this. I think when looking at someone who is fit and healthy i'd take there advice over someone who is skinny just as i would take advice from someone who has lost a lot of weight and has maintained for years. Then again i don't want to be skinny. I want to be fit like an athlete again. =D
I know the 'skinny' woman in question. She is healthy and strong, has muscles and can dead lift more than a lot of men I know. This woman knows her stuff. This thread is misconstrued from the original convo.
Can you link the thread? I wouldn't mind reading it.0 -
Yeah, need to find out whose cat was the meat for.did we find out what the supposed wrong advice is?
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Oh yes. "Well I've always been 100 pounds soaking wet. Why don't you just exercise more? It's not like it's hard. You're just lazy." BLAHHHHHHHHHHH. Good for them, but not everyone has magic genes and an endless supply of willpower.0
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Just asking....
Do you think shes never had a weight problem because she watches her diet and works out? I used to be a skinny gal until I wasnt, lol. Ate what I wanted and stayed thin. When I turned 28 things changed. Anyway, my point is, when I realized I had crossed over to the dark side I started to work out. I saw all the skinny girls really working out hardcore. I thought to mysef "why are they here, they are skinny". I came to realize they were skinny because they were working for it and always had.
She's healthy and has healthy eating habits. That's why it bothered me actually... I don't think someone who has always had healthy eating and exercising habits is the best person to give her opinion about weight loss, when she probably has no idea what it's like to love calorie-heavy food, have binge issues etc.
But apparently, because I've learned most of what I know from MFP, it's wrong too. Whatever...
I know others have commented on this, but seriously are you for real? Do you honestly think that everyone of a healthy body weight is there because they dont love calorie heavy food? Leaving aside all the people on this site who promote flexible dieting etc, do you realise that the large proportion of the western world are of a health body weight? That most of those people love cake, pizza, chips etc? Do you think that they are that way because they actually prefer kale and getting up at 6am to go for a run? Do you think they have never had an emotional crisis and cured it with an entire tub of Ben and Jerrys and a late night family size pizza are on their own?
Or could it be that they have learnt to manage food and exercise so they can enjoy life and still remain in shape. Perhaps they know what they are talking about?
This I love!
And the original convo was not on mfp.0 -
Just asking....
Do you think shes never had a weight problem because she watches her diet and works out? I used to be a skinny gal until I wasnt, lol. Ate what I wanted and stayed thin. When I turned 28 things changed. Anyway, my point is, when I realized I had crossed over to the dark side I started to work out. I saw all the skinny girls really working out hardcore. I thought to mysef "why are they here, they are skinny". I came to realize they were skinny because they were working for it and always had.
She's healthy and has healthy eating habits. That's why it bothered me actually... I don't think someone who has always had healthy eating and exercising habits is the best person to give her opinion about weight loss, when she probably has no idea what it's like to love calorie-heavy food, have binge issues etc.
But apparently, because I've learned most of what I know from MFP, it's wrong too. Whatever...
I know others have commented on this, but seriously are you for real? Do you honestly think that everyone of a healthy body weight is there because they dont love calorie heavy food? Leaving aside all the people on this site who promote flexible dieting etc, do you realise that the large proportion of the western world are of a health body weight? That most of those people love cake, pizza, chips etc? Do you think that they are that way because they actually prefer kale and getting up at 6am to go for a run? Do you think they have never had an emotional crisis and cured it with an entire tub of Ben and Jerrys and a late night family size pizza are on their own?
Or could it be that they have learnt to manage food and exercise so they can enjoy life and still remain in shape. Perhaps they know what they are talking about?
This I love!
And the original convo was not on mfp.
If it was another public forum, i think we'd all still love to see the conversation
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i also believed in santa clause, the tooth fairy, and the easter bunnyI firmly believe that some people just get lucky with an amazing metabolism. I've known people personally who ate ~5000 cals a day, exercised little, and stayed skinny (although whether they are healthy is debatable). Meanwhile, here I am gaining weight on a meager 1500 cals/day. I've always wondered if these lucky people know they are gifted, or if they think overweight people must all be eating 15,000 cals/day. On the flipside, the "skinny woman" mentioned by the OP may have a lifelong eating disorder and believe that the key to staying thin is limiting oneself to 500 cals/day.
As a child I very strongly believed I would hit puberty and gain mutant powers.
We didn't do Santa in my house. My mom didn't want some old white man taking credit for the gifts she bought with her hard earned money.
did anyone ever "do" Santa…? I thought he was a virgin…?
Isn't he married?
na, that was a front…supposedly him and rudolph had a thing going on ….0 -
I firmly believe that some people just get lucky with an amazing metabolism. I've known people personally who ate ~5000 cals a day, exercised little, and stayed skinny (although whether they are healthy is debatable). Meanwhile, here I am gaining weight on a meager 1500 cals/day. I've always wondered if these lucky people know they are gifted, or if they think overweight people must all be eating 15,000 cals/day. On the flipside, the "skinny woman" mentioned by the OP may have a lifelong eating disorder and believe that the key to staying thin is limiting oneself to 500 cals/day.
That's not true. I used to believe that when i hit 20's i gained because my metabolism slowed down. Then i realized that I went from being very, very active to sitting on my butt all day and eating the same. Or more.
QFT.
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i also believed in santa clause, the tooth fairy, and the easter bunnyI firmly believe that some people just get lucky with an amazing metabolism. I've known people personally who ate ~5000 cals a day, exercised little, and stayed skinny (although whether they are healthy is debatable). Meanwhile, here I am gaining weight on a meager 1500 cals/day. I've always wondered if these lucky people know they are gifted, or if they think overweight people must all be eating 15,000 cals/day. On the flipside, the "skinny woman" mentioned by the OP may have a lifelong eating disorder and believe that the key to staying thin is limiting oneself to 500 cals/day.
As a child I very strongly believed I would hit puberty and gain mutant powers.
We didn't do Santa in my house. My mom didn't want some old white man taking credit for the gifts she bought with her hard earned money.
did anyone ever "do" Santa…? I thought he was a virgin…?
Isn't he married?
na, that was a front…supposedly him and rudolph had a thing going on ….
Well, I hate to bring religion into this, but.... apparently, Mary wasn't getting any, either.0 -
thisJust asking....
Do you think shes never had a weight problem because she watches her diet and works out? I used to be a skinny gal until I wasnt, lol. Ate what I wanted and stayed thin. When I turned 28 things changed. Anyway, my point is, when I realized I had crossed over to the dark side I started to work out. I saw all the skinny girls really working out hardcore. I thought to mysef "why are they here, they are skinny". I came to realize they were skinny because they were working for it and always had.
She's healthy and has healthy eating habits. That's why it bothered me actually... I don't think someone who has always had healthy eating and exercising habits is the best person to give her opinion about weight loss, when she probably has no idea what it's like to love calorie-heavy food, have binge issues etc.
But apparently, because I've learned most of what I know from MFP, it's wrong too. Whatever...
I know others have commented on this, but seriously are you for real? Do you honestly think that everyone of a healthy body weight is there because they dont love calorie heavy food? Leaving aside all the people on this site who promote flexible dieting etc, do you realise that the large proportion of the western world are of a health body weight? That most of those people love cake, pizza, chips etc? Do you think that they are that way because they actually prefer kale and getting up at 6am to go for a run? Do you think they have never had an emotional crisis and cured it with an entire tub of Ben and Jerrys and a late night family size pizza are on their own?
Or could it be that they have learnt to manage food and exercise so they can enjoy life and still remain in shape. Perhaps they know what they are talking about?
This I love!
And the original convo was not on mfp.
If it was another public forum, i think we'd all still love to see the conversation
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well, if she eats healthy and doesn't have a weight problem...maybe you should receive criticism better. Everyone has their own struggle and she is clearly where you want to be at.0
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Oh yes. "Well I've always been 100 pounds soaking wet. Why don't you just exercise more? It's not like it's hard. You're just lazy." BLAHHHHHHHHHHH. Good for them, but not everyone has magic genes and an endless supply of willpower.
no one has an endless supply of willpower or magic genes. This girl is skinny for reason.0 -
Oh yes. "Well I've always been 100 pounds soaking wet. Why don't you just exercise more? It's not like it's hard. You're just lazy." BLAHHHHHHHHHHH. Good for them, but not everyone has magic genes and an endless supply of willpower.
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So I just got into an argument online with some skinny woman who's never had a weight problem in her life basically saying that all I know about weight loss is wrong and I'm giving horrible advice.
Gotta love it.. We all know someone like this, don't we?
know it alls are know it alls skinny or fat. They come in all shapes and sizes and are rude.0 -
Oh yes. "Well I've always been 100 pounds soaking wet. Why don't you just exercise more? It's not like it's hard. You're just lazy." BLAHHHHHHHHHHH. Good for them, but not everyone has magic genes and an endless supply of willpower.
Maaagggiiiiiccccc
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I think I understand what the TC means. When you've been battling an eating disorder and someone who's never dealt with that struggle tries to give you advice, it can be really frustrating. They may very well know a lot about healthy living and fitness, but if they don't understand the psychological aspects involved with binge/compulsive eating, they're just not going to be able to help and it's very arrogant of some people to think they have all the answers when they're actually clueless about certain things.
It's like when people tell anorexics to just eat, or bulimics to just stop puking because it's unhealthy - as if that will solve their problems. It's really easy for someone to put in their two cents when they really don't understand the core issues involved. They're thus unable to truly empathize with and understand the situation.0 -
It's not just girls. My favorite piece of advice from skinnier guys is "just do 100 crunches every day".
Eventually though, as you stack success on top of success, you end up with a very intimidating physique that will elicit virtually no advice/debate (you win all debates before they open their mouth), even people looking for advice get intimidated. When it is blatantly obvious that you care, a lot, that commitment is very intimidating.0 -
It's not just girls. My favorite piece of advice from skinnier guys is "just do 100 crunches every day".
Eventually though, as you stack success on top of success, you end up with a very intimidating physique that will elicit virtually no advice/debate (you win all debates before they open their mouth), even people looking for advice get intimidated. When it is blatantly obvious that you care, a lot, that commitment is very intimidating.
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I've known overweight people who think they are diet experts
I've seen skinny dudes give advice to ripped guys
I've seen broke people give financial advice...
so yeah....unless you are living proof then just keep the advice to yourself or you just come off as arrogant.0 -
OMG! That is so rude! The pic with this young skinny man with a message on in: Trust me brah... Why would anybody feel the need of putting such a pic into a random forum post??!! Would it be ok for somebody else post pics of us, being overweight, with some stupid messages written on it??? I am working with people every day, i see different bodies every single day and really got upset after seeing that picture. What do you think will happen if this same young man stumbles on that pic in internet one day, how would he feel? Just because he is genetically skinny does not mean that he goes around and makes jokes of all people bigger than him. Tell you what, I have heard plenty of stories from "skinny people" about them having tried for years to gain weight and with no success. Probably they feel exactly the same about our advice, eat more and go to gym more often etc. How magic do these genes sound then?
I am not with "skinny genes" but I am definitely eating too much sweet stuff, exercising too little, not eating enough fresh and should be drinking more water and less coffee. If healthy fit (or even healthy skinny) person talks about their eating and exercise habits I listen very carefully because obviously they are doing something different than me, maybe there is a lesson for me. Maybe we are the lucky ones instead because it seems to be so much easier to lose weight and get toned than to gain weight and maintain it (especially for men).0 -
Here's an analogy....
I learned Spanish as a second language and I found it easier sometimes to learn from a non-native speaker - someone who spoke English first and has "been there" learning Spanish. And sometimes it was easier to learn from a native speaker.
Ok it's late, I'm tired, but this makes sense in my head. There are things you can learn both from people who have always been fit and people who have "been there"- gone through the weight loss journey.0
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