Sugar linked to heart disease, even in thin folks
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Everyone here has some excellent points.
For me the human body is a whole system with many variants, too many calories in makes us fat, unhealthy in many ways.
Genetics play apart in what will go wrong in us first, my family is predisposed to diabetes. I make liver stones at the drop of a hat.
A couple of super skinny people I know have malignant hypertension for various almost unknown reasons. I have very low BP.
We all agree we need to be moderate in what we eat and we need to exercise to mimic the hard work people used to do to survive.
I'm sure sugar probably can pre dispose you to inflammation, particularly if you are genetically inclined to go that way.0 -
My issue is this...if someone is consuming 25% of their diet in added sugar, they're probably not meeting all of their nutrient requirements to begin with. To boot, they're likely over-consuming in general which leads to being over-fat which we know leads to numerous other medical conditions. Add to that, these individuals probably don't get much in the way of intentional exercise which is also a detriment to their health...all of these things are ignored and somehow sugar is isolated and linked to heart disease.
Is it the sugar, or is it the overwhelmingly ****ty diet and most probable lack of activity that should be linked to heart disease?
These things were not ignored in the study.
As far as I can see there is no mention at all of what the rest of these peoples diets consisted of...all it says is that it did take into account if they were overweight, etc.
I still say that if you're getting 25% of your calories from added sugar, your overall diet is to blame as you are quite likely not getting adequate nutrients. I think these things are far more complicated than X causes Y. I would like to see maybe a cross population with carefully controlled macros at that kind of sugar intake as well as regular exercise and normal body weights and see what the results are.
Again, I think these things are overwhelmingly attributable to overall dietary and fitness lifestyles...and again, I have a really hard time believing someone getting 25% of their intake from added sugar has any as semblance of a balanced or nutritious diet.0 -
My issue is this...if someone is consuming 25% of their diet in added sugar, they're probably not meeting all of their nutrient requirements to begin with. To boot, they're likely over-consuming in general which leads to being over-fat which we know leads to numerous other medical conditions. Add to that, these individuals probably don't get much in the way of intentional exercise which is also a detriment to their health...all of these things are ignored and somehow sugar is isolated and linked to heart disease.
Is it the sugar, or is it the overwhelmingly ****ty diet and most probable lack of activity that should be linked to heart disease?
These things were not ignored in the study.
The lifestyle was taken into account, but this article doesn't address any other nutritional factors. Whether or not the study does is another issue.0 -
i'd be interested in reading the actual publication, not CBS reporters' take on it.
You would find that the actual study doesn't say what either CBS claims it says or what the OP posting the CBS claims it says.
Shocking, I know.0 -
Some other indications of heart disease-- your skin can tell a lot too.
For example if you have skin tags and Acanthosis nigricans, those are indications you have insulin resistance and coronary artery disease, even if your bloodwork is "normal" like mine. My doctor didn't even think to check for that, just did the blood work and said "you are fine".
I also have normal blood pressure.
And, technically, I have normal blood sugar, just insulin resistance. My A1C was just one point below the pre-diabetic range in the high end of normal. But with my history of gestational diabetes, I was pro-active and asked for the metformin script.
My only real documented risks are family history and obesity.
People think it's all about cholesterol, but it's not, especially in women. I have very normal bloodwork for cholesterol, but I am still high risk for other reasons. And women are more likely to die from their first heart attack and by-pass surgery does not really help women who have plaques spread out over the arteries, not one big blockage like men
If you have heart disease in your family, you should especially think about limiting sugar in your diet.
And, look at your skin for signs of CAD and/or insulin resistance. Sugar definitely affects the skin, and as this study shows, what's going on inside your heart/arteries as well.
Cutaneous markers of heart disease-- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2998827/0 -
In. Another thread on sugar is going to kill us!!! :happy:0
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If you have heart disease in your family, you should especially think about limiting sugar in your diet.
If someone is obese, the reality is they need to limit pretty much *everything* in their diet.0 -
Some other indications of heart disease-- your skin can tell a lot too.
And, look at your skin for signs of CAD and/or insulin resistance. Sugar definitely affects the skin, and as this study shows, what's going on inside your heart/arteries as well.
Cutaneous markers of heart disease-- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2998827/
How does this study relate to sugar?
At all?
Even the least little bit?0 -
It relates to heart disease. And sugar intake relates to cutaneous signs of CAD.Some other indications of heart disease-- your skin can tell a lot too.
And, look at your skin for signs of CAD and/or insulin resistance. Sugar definitely affects the skin, and as this study shows, what's going on inside your heart/arteries as well.
Cutaneous markers of heart disease-- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2998827/
How does this study relate to sugar?
At all?
Even the least little bit?0 -
If you have heart disease in your family, you should especially think about limiting sugar in your diet.
If someone is obese, the reality is they need to limit pretty much *everything* in their diet.
Gee, thanks for the tip.
And, if you are a male and have male pattern baldness that is linked to CAD too, http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/258601.php0 -
If you have heart disease in your family, you should especially think about limiting sugar in your diet.
If someone is obese, the reality is they need to limit pretty much *everything* in their diet.
Gee, thanks for the tip.
You're very welcome! You seem to be struggling with some pretty basic concepts, which isn't uncommon at MFP, so I'm glad I was able to help.
Good luck!0 -
Cutaneous markers of heart disease-- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2998827/
Fascinating read. Thanks for posting this.0 -
Thanks for posting!0 -
My father died at 48, my grandfather died before I was born in his 50's, and my great grandfather also died of sudden cardiac arrest in his 50's. Three generations of sudden cardiac death.
So, heart disease research is something I take seriously.
Hoping to beat my genetics.0 -
Does added sugar as a percentage of caloric intake have deleterious effects on health markers? That's probably the easier question and I suspect that there will be RCT's, I suspect, I haven't checked, and I also suspect that it does have deleterious effects on health markers.I'm afraid that study doesn't really prove anything. As the methodolgy used does not prove any causal link. All it does is muddy the water even more0 -
It relates to heart disease. And sugar intake relates to cutaneous signs of CAD.
I understand that the link relates cutaneous signs in some populations to heart disease, but I don't see where sugar intake causes cutaneous markers.0 -
It relates to heart disease. And sugar intake relates to cutaneous signs of CAD.
I understand that the link relates cutaneous signs in some populations to heart disease, but I don't see where sugar intake causes cutaneous markers.
Cutaneous markers for heart disease are also generally related to insulin resistance and diabetes. It's all related and the common link to both is sugar.0 -
Did not read article, but I must be a rarity. Age 19 to present (52), between military and tractor trailer driving I've averaged appx 5lbs of sugar a month in coffee. No health issues yet. Recent lab work showed all levels ok. Aside from junk food, my weight has preety much been low 160 range.
Besides, based on so many other studies done, it's a wonder the vast majority of people are alive today. Just another read to take with a grain of salt, imo.0 -
It relates to heart disease. And sugar intake relates to cutaneous signs of CAD.
I understand that the link relates cutaneous signs in some populations to heart disease, but I don't see where sugar intake causes cutaneous markers.
Cutaneous markers for heart disease are also generally related to insulin resistance and diabetes. It's all related and the common link to both is sugar.
Correlation does not equal causation. You can't make leaps like that.0 -
in…for more sugar demonizing….0
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next at 4:30 …water linked to drowning…stop swimming...0
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next at 4:30 …water linked to drowning…stop swimming...
I will never stop my midnight skinny dips! Dream killer0 -
I love how they say they don't count "fruit sugar" but "added sugar" was only counted..
At the molecular level your body breaks down all sugars the same ….This is like saying smoking cigarettes is linked to lung cancer, but you can smoke tobacco out of a pipe and be fine….good freaking lord...0 -
Oooo! And mopping! Thanks for the excuse to get out of doing that!!!next at 4:30 …water linked to drowning…stop swimming...0 -
Oooo! And mopping! Thanks for the excuse to get out of doing that!!!next at 4:30 …water linked to drowning…stop swimming...
you should probably avoid baths and showers too...0 -
I think it would be fun if for once someone fit and healthy would jump on the sugar is evil bandwagon0
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OP, I sure hope you DO live a long, full life. Do I think you should pursue a diet full of nutrient-rich foods and eating in moderation? Absolutely.
But fear mongering sugar won't help anyone.0 -
Oooo! And mopping! Thanks for the excuse to get out of doing that!!!next at 4:30 …water linked to drowning…stop swimming...
you should probably avoid baths and showers too...
What about a sponge bath?0 -
Isn't that wall-walker chick pretty fit?I think it would be fun if for once someone fit and healthy would jump on the sugar is evil bandwagon0 -
Here's the caveat. The demographic that admitted to consuming 25% of their calories from added sugar would more than likely also have a diet very high in refined carbs, processed and fast food and dare say the most unhealthy percentile of the SAD. Anytime anyone wants to demonize any food that's the place to start, it'll always look like a win when you design your hypothesis around a preconceived event where the grey areas make you look like a champ.I love how they say they don't count "fruit sugar" but "added sugar" was only counted..
At the molecular level your body breaks down all sugars the same ….This is like saying smoking cigarettes is linked to lung cancer, but you can smoke tobacco out of a pipe and be fine….good freaking lord...0
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