Why "clean eating" is a myth
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Why do you care so much? I get the push back when people post all the positive reasons for their eating-style-dujour, and I get the push back when people feel it is their way or the highway. But what is up with the random posts "against X." And asking for proof? Sorry 9er, but what you think of clean eating isn't really that important. Except to you. Eat clean. Eat dirty. Whatevs.
The term bothers people because they feel judged, moreso if they've experienced a lifetime of being judged for their poor choices leading to being overweight or obese. There's no rational reason one would get in such a lather because people want to eat mostly minimally processed foods or minimize or eliminate foods that don't contribute to better health.0 -
Actually there are some good facts in there if you read them. It's boring only if you disagree or don't understand. Pick one.just cause you believe a style of eating a myth doesn't mean it is. it's just your opinion. stop boring everyone with your article -.-
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Why would you think IIFYM would be high in junk food, it can contain none, for example.I really wish we would stop with this crap. Just eat the goddamn food, stay within your calories, hit your macros, and be ****ing happy. Jesus Christ with this *kitten*.
No doubt that IIFYM's works great short term. But what do you think about recent long term data that suggests too much junk food causes earlier onset of disease even when you control for weight and lifestyle?
But then it would be clean eating!!! :laugh: Oh, the horror!0 -
The article confirms what I 've always suspected. Everything in moderation, including "junk" food. :bigsmile:0
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While I don't disagree with that some places lack UV exposure due to cloud cover or weather, I think that the 20 minutes you mentioned may be off a little. Still it's important to get enough vitamin D daily regardless of how you obtain it.The part about "health nuts" getting enough vitamin D from "nutrient dense foods" and "adequate sun exposure" is completely inaccurate. Unless you're at 40% body exposure (think one piece swim suit) for 20 min daily during the high hours of the sun with no sunscreen, you aren't getting enough. And I don't know one person that walks around in a swimsuit in the Midwest in the middle of winter. Always supplement for adequate vitamin D levels and don't forget to get your 25(OH)D test annually. A level of over 50 ng/ml is ideal.It has been suggested by some vitamin D researchers, for example, that approximately 5–30 minutes of sun exposure between 10 AM and 3 PM at least twice a week to the face, arms, legs, or back without sunscreen usually lead to sufficient vitamin D synthesis
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-HealthProfessional/
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This is what I decided to do last year to start my lifestyle change. It might not work for you, but it works for me. I'm no longer on ANY medications because of it.
Deuteronomy 14:3-21
New International Version (NIV)
3 Do not eat any detestable thing. 4 These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, 5 the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep.[a] 6 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. 7 However, of those that chew the cud or that have a divided hoof you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the hyrax. Although they chew the cud, they do not have a divided hoof; they are ceremonially unclean for you. 8 The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.
9 Of all the creatures living in the water, you may eat any that has fins and scales. 10 But anything that does not have fins and scales you may not eat; for you it is unclean.
11 You may eat any clean bird. 12 But these you may not eat: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 13 the red kite, the black kite, any kind of falcon, 14 any kind of raven, 15 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 16 the little owl, the great owl, the white owl, 17 the desert owl, the osprey, the cormorant, 18 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.
19 All flying insects are unclean to you; do not eat them. 20 But any winged creature that is clean you may eat.
21 Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to the foreigner residing in any of your towns, and they may eat it, or you may sell it to any other foreigner. But you are a people holy to the Lord your God.
Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.0 -
Why would you think IIFYM would be high in junk food, it can contain none, for example.I really wish we would stop with this crap. Just eat the goddamn food, stay within your calories, hit your macros, and be ****ing happy. Jesus Christ with this *kitten*.
No doubt that IIFYM's works great short term. But what do you think about recent long term data that suggests too much junk food causes earlier onset of disease even when you control for weight and lifestyle?
To be fair, people probably assume that because so many people love to brag on these forums about how they eat junk food while doing IIFYM. As much as people talk about their ability to eat pop tarts and ice cream, it's not surprising some people assume they eat a lot of junk food.
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Why would you think IIFYM would be high in junk food, it can contain none, for example.I really wish we would stop with this crap. Just eat the goddamn food, stay within your calories, hit your macros, and be ****ing happy. Jesus Christ with this *kitten*.
No doubt that IIFYM's works great short term. But what do you think about recent long term data that suggests too much junk food causes earlier onset of disease even when you control for weight and lifestyle?
IIFYM's refers to eating anything as long as it fits your macros. That usually includes junk food. But I supposed some people who do IIFYM's might just not like junk food?
For what it's worth, I don't disagree with the author in regard to it being completely fine to eat some junk food within the context of a well balanced nutrient dense diet. But that isn't what the author seems to be implying with the title.0 -
I don't care about how people eat. The article covers some good material on "clean" eating and surely for people who aren't knowledgeable on it, this is good information. And good information is something I do care about.Why do you care so much?
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While I don't disagree with that some places lack UV exposure due to cloud cover or weather, I think that the 20 minutes you mentioned may be off a little. Still it's important to get enough vitamin D daily regardless of how you obtain it.It has been suggested by some vitamin D researchers, for example, that approximately 5–30 minutes of sun exposure between 10 AM and 3 PM at least twice a week to the face, arms, legs, or back without sunscreen usually lead to sufficient vitamin D synthesis
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/VitaminD-HealthProfessional/
Glad I live in CA
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Keep in mind there is a difference b/w getting enough Vit D to prevent overt medical disease, versus getting an optimal amount for fitness. And it also depends on your complexion. Pasty people like myself probably get plenty from short times outside, even in the winter. But african americans probably need a lot more sun exposure during the winter if they're not getting enough vit D from their diet.0 -
Define too much junk food. And I wouldn't disagree if the junk food was so nutrient deficient so that macros and micros aren't met.No doubt that IIFYM's works great short term. But what do you think about recent long term data that suggests too much junk food causes earlier onset of disease even when you control for weight and lifestyle?
If you can link study(ies) on the long term data. I'd like to read up on it.
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No pig means no BACON.This is what I decided to do last year to start my lifestyle change. It might not work for you, but it works for me. I'm no longer on ANY medications because of it.
Deuteronomy 14:3-21
New International Version (NIV)
3 Do not eat any detestable thing. 4 These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, 5 the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep.[a] 6 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. 7 However, of those that chew the cud or that have a divided hoof you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the hyrax. Although they chew the cud, they do not have a divided hoof; they are ceremonially unclean for you. 8 The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.
9 Of all the creatures living in the water, you may eat any that has fins and scales. 10 But anything that does not have fins and scales you may not eat; for you it is unclean.
11 You may eat any clean bird. 12 But these you may not eat: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 13 the red kite, the black kite, any kind of falcon, 14 any kind of raven, 15 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 16 the little owl, the great owl, the white owl, 17 the desert owl, the osprey, the cormorant, 18 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.
19 All flying insects are unclean to you; do not eat them. 20 But any winged creature that is clean you may eat.
21 Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to the foreigner residing in any of your towns, and they may eat it, or you may sell it to any other foreigner. But you are a people holy to the Lord your God.
Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.
Yep, wouldn't work for me.
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I don't buy the whole clean eating thing, what i do buy into is eating healthier (Ie proper balanced portions - moderation in all things)
I do avoid certtain things for reasons beyond "clean eating - GMO foods - particularly items with nicitinoids built in which has been linked to the bee die off. I doubt the food would be an issue for me but no bees is a huge issue for me. I also strive to eat local where possible as much for the local economy and climate change as any other reason - I also like getting to know the people who produced the food. I pretty much do not eat any processed foods and haven't for years, last time I had a macdonalds meal was in the 90's. I like to cook and I like the taste of well prepared food so fast food generally is not on my radar (Well a good british meat pie or 2 maybe :laugh: )
there are lots of reasons to avoid corporately farmed and gmo products that have nothing to do with clean eating per se and adding in a local component encourages local economies and has the benefit of you meeting the people who produce your food. If you are the type of person who complains about a good butcher with a window that looks like this one maybe it's not the way for you though
personally i understand where my food comes from and this window would get me in shopping
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Define too much junk food. And I wouldn't disagree if the junk food was so nutrient deficient so that macros and micros aren't met.No doubt that IIFYM's works great short term. But what do you think about recent long term data that suggests too much junk food causes earlier onset of disease even when you control for weight and lifestyle?
If you can link study(ies) on the long term data. I'd like to read up on it.
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Too much would be consuming over 10% of your daily calories from "added sugar." It might sound like a lot to you, but over 70% of the US population is getting more than that.
Here is the study
http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1819573
Of course there are tons of possible confounders and it's specifically only addressing added sugar instead of the larger issue of nutrient dense food versus empty calories. But it's the best data I've seen.0 -
I believe that this is the belief. When some hear "junk", the assumption is that it's probably mostly junk. Personally I have my share of junk each week, but if compared to HOW MUCH I eat of it in a week, well it's a little when comparing to everything else I eat during the week.To be fair, people probably assume that because so many people love to brag on these forums about how they eat junk food while doing IIFYM. As much as people talk about their ability to eat pop tarts and ice cream, it's not surprising some people assume they eat a lot of junk food.
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TL;DR it all, but isn't it just common sense that one's fullness is directly proportional to the volume of food and the space time it resides in your stomach? For that reason processed foods, which are high calorie density, WILL make one gain weight because one does not feel as full compared to their whole food counterpart. In otherwords, if one eats the 100 calorie processed food they are more likely to eat more of that same food than if they were to have consumed a 100 calorie whole food because they do not feel full.0
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So, since you took the time to post this, you're saying you kill all the meat you eat yourself?
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Actually I personally think if you are going to eat an animal eat the whole thing (tail to snout) and be willing to kill it (or at the very least acknowledge where it is and what the process was - personally i'd like to take a butchery course0 -
So on a 2000 calorie diet, you believe that 3.5 tablespoons of added sugar is not within boundries of control for a healthy diet? If someone drank 3 cups of coffee a day and added 1.2 tablespoons of sugar for each, that's essentially too much?
Define too much junk food. And I wouldn't disagree if the junk food was so nutrient deficient so that macros and micros aren't met.No doubt that IIFYM's works great short term. But what do you think about recent long term data that suggests too much junk food causes earlier onset of disease even when you control for weight and lifestyle?
If you can link study(ies) on the long term data. I'd like to read up on it.
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Too much would be consuming over 10% of your daily calories from "added sugar." It might sound like a lot to you, but over 70% of the US population is getting more than that.
Here is the study
http://archinte.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1819573
Of course there are tons of possible confounders and it's specifically only addressing added sugar instead of the larger issue of nutrient dense food versus empty calories. But it's the best data I've seen.
EDIT: Thanks for the study.
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Well no. One could drink a gallon of water and feel full. Where's the nutritional value? I get what you're saying about processed foods and high calorie density, but if you DIDN'T read the article, it's not discussion on how full someone feels.TL;DR it all, but isn't it just common sense that one's fullness is directly proportional to the volume of food and the space time it resides in your stomach? For that reason processed foods, which are high calorie density, WILL make one gain weight because one does not feel as full compared to their whole food counterpart. In otherwords, if one eats the 100 calorie processed food they are more likely to eat more of that same food than if they were to have consumed a 100 calorie whole food because they do not feel full.
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No pig means no BACON.This is what I decided to do last year to start my lifestyle change. It might not work for you, but it works for me. I'm no longer on ANY medications because of it.
Deuteronomy 14:3-21
New International Version (NIV)
3 Do not eat any detestable thing. 4 These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, 5 the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep.[a] 6 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. 7 However, of those that chew the cud or that have a divided hoof you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the hyrax. Although they chew the cud, they do not have a divided hoof; they are ceremonially unclean for you. 8 The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.
9 Of all the creatures living in the water, you may eat any that has fins and scales. 10 But anything that does not have fins and scales you may not eat; for you it is unclean.
11 You may eat any clean bird. 12 But these you may not eat: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 13 the red kite, the black kite, any kind of falcon, 14 any kind of raven, 15 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 16 the little owl, the great owl, the white owl, 17 the desert owl, the osprey, the cormorant, 18 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.
19 All flying insects are unclean to you; do not eat them. 20 But any winged creature that is clean you may eat.
21 Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to the foreigner residing in any of your towns, and they may eat it, or you may sell it to any other foreigner. But you are a people holy to the Lord your God.
Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.
Yep, wouldn't work for me.
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LOL, that was hard for me too!!!! I just use turkey bacon now :laugh:0 -
Seems obvious that if the stuff in drugs, alcohol, vitamins, and protein shakes affects your body, then pesticides, msg, and aspartame might too. I don't see why it gets some people so upset when others choose to minimize that stuff. Why do you care to debunk a "myth" that doesn't seem to be hurting anyone? I would understand if you had just posted the article as info and a discussion, but it seems like this was meant to start an argument.0
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People who live in Asia do this by making recipes for just about every part of an animal. Be here in the US, many think it's gross.:bigsmile: :laugh: :bigsmile:
Actually I personally think if you are going to eat an animal eat the whole thing (tail to snout) and be willing to kill it (or at the very least acknowledge where it is and what the process was - personally i'd like to take a butchery course
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Bro, that's not bacon.
No pig means no BACON.This is what I decided to do last year to start my lifestyle change. It might not work for you, but it works for me. I'm no longer on ANY medications because of it.
Deuteronomy 14:3-21
New International Version (NIV)
3 Do not eat any detestable thing. 4 These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, 5 the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep.[a] 6 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. 7 However, of those that chew the cud or that have a divided hoof you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the hyrax. Although they chew the cud, they do not have a divided hoof; they are ceremonially unclean for you. 8 The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.
9 Of all the creatures living in the water, you may eat any that has fins and scales. 10 But anything that does not have fins and scales you may not eat; for you it is unclean.
11 You may eat any clean bird. 12 But these you may not eat: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 13 the red kite, the black kite, any kind of falcon, 14 any kind of raven, 15 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 16 the little owl, the great owl, the white owl, 17 the desert owl, the osprey, the cormorant, 18 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.
19 All flying insects are unclean to you; do not eat them. 20 But any winged creature that is clean you may eat.
21 Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to the foreigner residing in any of your towns, and they may eat it, or you may sell it to any other foreigner. But you are a people holy to the Lord your God.
Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.
Yep, wouldn't work for me.
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LOL, that was hard for me too!!!! I just use turkey bacon now :laugh:
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This is what I decided to do last year to start my lifestyle change. It might not work for you, but it works for me. I'm no longer on ANY medications because of it.
Deuteronomy 14:3-21
New International Version (NIV)
3 Do not eat any detestable thing. 4 These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, 5 the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep.[a] 6 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. 7 However, of those that chew the cud or that have a divided hoof you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the hyrax. Although they chew the cud, they do not have a divided hoof; they are ceremonially unclean for you. 8 The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.
9 Of all the creatures living in the water, you may eat any that has fins and scales. 10 But anything that does not have fins and scales you may not eat; for you it is unclean.
11 You may eat any clean bird. 12 But these you may not eat: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 13 the red kite, the black kite, any kind of falcon, 14 any kind of raven, 15 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 16 the little owl, the great owl, the white owl, 17 the desert owl, the osprey, the cormorant, 18 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.
19 All flying insects are unclean to you; do not eat them. 20 But any winged creature that is clean you may eat.
21 Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to the foreigner residing in any of your towns, and they may eat it, or you may sell it to any other foreigner. But you are a people holy to the Lord your God.
Do not cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.
So, since you took the time to post this, you're saying you kill all the meat you eat yourself?
I would assume that this means road kill, but I'm in Oklahoma where we have tons of livestock to kill and eat 0 -
Seems obvious that if the stuff in drugs, alcohol, vitamins, and protein shakes affects your body, then pesticides, msg, and aspartame might too. I don't see why it gets some people so upset when others choose to minimize that stuff.
Pretty much this. IMO if you feel that all of the crap found in our modern food has absolutely zero health consequences I think you're kidding yourself. But to each their own...I don't tell others how they should eat.0 -
It's informational on a site like this one which is frequented by people trying to lose weight. Unfortunately in the fitness and diet industry there's an ongoing belief that eating "clean" is really the only approach one should pursue to lose weight and keep it off permanently. It's not true.Seems obvious that if the stuff in drugs, alcohol, vitamins, and protein shakes affects your body, then pesticides, msg, and aspartame might too. I don't see why it gets some people so upset when others choose to minimize that stuff. Why do you care to debunk a "myth" that doesn't seem to be hurting anyone? I would understand if you had just posted the article as info and a discussion, but it seems like this was meant to start an argument.
And I don't get why people who dispute it are considered "upset" by posting information to counter the clean eating belief. Not upset at all. Just passing on information that can be seen and read by others.
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I would assume that this means road kill, but I'm in Oklahoma where we have tons of livestock to kill and eat
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Then many like myself have been kidding ourselves for years. I guess medical check ups and health assessments don't mean anything.Seems obvious that if the stuff in drugs, alcohol, vitamins, and protein shakes affects your body, then pesticides, msg, and aspartame might too. I don't see why it gets some people so upset when others choose to minimize that stuff.
Pretty much this. IMO if you feel that all of the crap found in our modern food has absolutely zero health consequences I think you're kidding yourself. But to each their own...I don't tell others how they should eat.
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Then many like myself have been kidding ourselves for years. I guess medical check ups and health assessments don't mean anything.Seems obvious that if the stuff in drugs, alcohol, vitamins, and protein shakes affects your body, then pesticides, msg, and aspartame might too. I don't see why it gets some people so upset when others choose to minimize that stuff.
Pretty much this. IMO if you feel that all of the crap found in our modern food has absolutely zero health consequences I think you're kidding yourself. But to each their own...I don't tell others how they should eat.
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Now you've got it. You do you and we will do us. Oh, and medical checks are actually very important for detecting liver problems and cancer in early stages, so I was you, I definitely wouldn't skip them.. 0
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