Large amounts of meat, cheese deadly as smoking

Rocbola

I hate to break it to you, but we are all going to die...

And personally, I know that the only way I can lose weight and control my type 2 diabetes is by eating more protein and reducing my carbs. I know the long term effects of carrying 100+ extra pounds and having diabetes. Both make my life less fun while I'm living it. I'd rather eat the extra protein and live a little shorter life (maybe) than have a long miserable life.

What i told you that eating what you are calling "Protein" (euphemism for meat, dairy, eggs) is actually contributing to your diabetes, lowering your quality of life and reducing your longevity, plus increasing your risk of cancer, stroke and heart disease?

Controlling your diabeetus is one thing, but why not try to reverse it? Google the work of Dr. Neal Barnard, founder of the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM). There have been many, many people who have reversed their diabetes by eating a proper diet.

I don't know how to break it to you but studies have shown that being a vegetarian can lead to an increase in mental health issues.!!!!!!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/#!po=0.270270

Don't put too much stock into studies - everyone has there angle - especially corporations such as L-Nutra pedaling their plant based diet miracles!

Vegetarians typically eat all sorts of things, including eggs, cheese, bread, oil, potato chips, candy bars, etc. The foods that help you stay healthy are the fruits and veggies.

Thats funny all the longest living cultures don't have vegetarian/vegan diets. Protein and fat are essential for life, carbohydrates are not.

The longest living cultures on the planet are not the ones who eat too much protein and fat. And some of the healthiest populations on earth are the ones who eat mostly vegan. The sickest are the ones who eat too much animal.

You read too much vegan propaganda. Protein and fat are essential to survival, carbohydrates are not.

You spew too much S.A.D. propaganda. Protein and fat are found in abundance in the plant world. Needing them and getting too much are different things. In America, most people get too much of both of those, and they get their carbs from refined grains or sugars. When was the last time you heard of someone with a fat deficiency or kwashiorkor? It doesn't take propaganda for me to believe that fruits and vegetables are good, it takes logic.

nataliebordeauxx

I hate to break it to you, but we are all going to die...

And personally, I know that the only way I can lose weight and control my type 2 diabetes is by eating more protein and reducing my carbs. I know the long term effects of carrying 100+ extra pounds and having diabetes. Both make my life less fun while I'm living it. I'd rather eat the extra protein and live a little shorter life (maybe) than have a long miserable life.

What i told you that eating what you are calling "Protein" (euphemism for meat, dairy, eggs) is actually contributing to your diabetes, lowering your quality of life and reducing your longevity, plus increasing your risk of cancer, stroke and heart disease?

Controlling your diabeetus is one thing, but why not try to reverse it? Google the work of Dr. Neal Barnard, founder of the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM). There have been many, many people who have reversed their diabetes by eating a proper diet.

I don't know how to break it to you but studies have shown that being a vegetarian can lead to an increase in mental health issues.!!!!!!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/#!po=0.270270

Don't put too much stock into studies - everyone has there angle - especially corporations such as L-Nutra pedaling their plant based diet miracles!

Vegetarians typically eat all sorts of things, including eggs, cheese, bread, oil, potato chips, candy bars, etc. The foods that help you stay healthy are the fruits and veggies.

Thats funny all the longest living cultures don't have vegetarian/vegan diets. Protein and fat are essential for life, carbohydrates are not.

The longest living cultures on the planet are not the ones who eat too much protein and fat. And some of the healthiest populations on earth are the ones who eat mostly vegan. The sickest are the ones who eat too much animal.

You read too much vegan propaganda. Protein and fat are essential to survival, carbohydrates are not.

You spew too much S.A.D. propaganda. Protein and fat are found in abundance in the plant world. Needing them and getting too much are different things. In America, most people get too much of both of those, and they get their carbs from refined grains or sugars. When was the last time you heard of someone with a fat deficiency or kwashiorkor? It doesn't take propaganda for me to believe that fruits and vegetables are good, it takes logic.

It's refreshing to see someone like Rocbola on the boards. Everybody in this thread should pick up a few books, first one being the China Study, and get some heavy learnzzzzzz in.

LolBroScience

I hate to break it to you, but we are all going to die...

And personally, I know that the only way I can lose weight and control my type 2 diabetes is by eating more protein and reducing my carbs. I know the long term effects of carrying 100+ extra pounds and having diabetes. Both make my life less fun while I'm living it. I'd rather eat the extra protein and live a little shorter life (maybe) than have a long miserable life.

What i told you that eating what you are calling "Protein" (euphemism for meat, dairy, eggs) is actually contributing to your diabetes, lowering your quality of life and reducing your longevity, plus increasing your risk of cancer, stroke and heart disease?

Controlling your diabeetus is one thing, but why not try to reverse it? Google the work of Dr. Neal Barnard, founder of the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM). There have been many, many people who have reversed their diabetes by eating a proper diet.

I don't know how to break it to you but studies have shown that being a vegetarian can lead to an increase in mental health issues.!!!!!!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/#!po=0.270270

Don't put too much stock into studies - everyone has there angle - especially corporations such as L-Nutra pedaling their plant based diet miracles!

Vegetarians typically eat all sorts of things, including eggs, cheese, bread, oil, potato chips, candy bars, etc. The foods that help you stay healthy are the fruits and veggies.

Thats funny all the longest living cultures don't have vegetarian/vegan diets. Protein and fat are essential for life, carbohydrates are not.

The longest living cultures on the planet are not the ones who eat too much protein and fat. And some of the healthiest populations on earth are the ones who eat mostly vegan. The sickest are the ones who eat too much animal.

You read too much vegan propaganda. Protein and fat are essential to survival, carbohydrates are not.

You spew too much S.A.D. propaganda. Protein and fat are found in abundance in the plant world. Needing them and getting too much are different things. In America, most people get too much of both of those, and they get their carbs from refined grains or sugars. When was the last time you heard of someone with a fat deficiency or kwashiorkor? It doesn't take propaganda for me to believe that fruits and vegetables are good, it takes logic.

It's refreshing to see someone like Rocbola on the boards. Everybody in this thread should pick up a few books, first one being the China Study, and get some heavy learnzzzzzz in.

biasedmuch/10?

Athijade

I hate to break it to you, but we are all going to die...

And personally, I know that the only way I can lose weight and control my type 2 diabetes is by eating more protein and reducing my carbs. I know the long term effects of carrying 100+ extra pounds and having diabetes. Both make my life less fun while I'm living it. I'd rather eat the extra protein and live a little shorter life (maybe) than have a long miserable life.

What i told you that eating what you are calling "Protein" (euphemism for meat, dairy, eggs) is actually contributing to your diabetes, lowering your quality of life and reducing your longevity, plus increasing your risk of cancer, stroke and heart disease?

Controlling your diabeetus is one thing, but why not try to reverse it? Google the work of Dr. Neal Barnard, founder of the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM). There have been many, many people who have reversed their diabetes by eating a proper diet.

I don't know how to break it to you but studies have shown that being a vegetarian can lead to an increase in mental health issues.!!!!!!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/#!po=0.270270

Don't put too much stock into studies - everyone has there angle - especially corporations such as L-Nutra pedaling their plant based diet miracles!

Vegetarians typically eat all sorts of things, including eggs, cheese, bread, oil, potato chips, candy bars, etc. The foods that help you stay healthy are the fruits and veggies.

Thats funny all the longest living cultures don't have vegetarian/vegan diets. Protein and fat are essential for life, carbohydrates are not.

The longest living cultures on the planet are not the ones who eat too much protein and fat. And some of the healthiest populations on earth are the ones who eat mostly vegan. The sickest are the ones who eat too much animal.

You read too much vegan propaganda. Protein and fat are essential to survival, carbohydrates are not.

You spew too much S.A.D. propaganda. Protein and fat are found in abundance in the plant world. Needing them and getting too much are different things. In America, most people get too much of both of those, and they get their carbs from refined grains or sugars. When was the last time you heard of someone with a fat deficiency or kwashiorkor? It doesn't take propaganda for me to believe that fruits and vegetables are good, it takes logic.

It's refreshing to see someone like Rocbola on the boards. Everybody in this thread should pick up a few books, first one being the China Study, and get some heavy learnzzzzzz in.

If they want to learn, they shouldn't read the China Study. They should read all the science that has disproved it over and over and over and over though!

Rocbola

It's refreshing to see someone like Rocbola on the boards. Everybody in this thread should pick up a few books, first one being the China Study, and get some heavy learnzzzzzz in.

If they want to learn, they shouldn't read the China Study. They should read all the science that has disproved it over and over and over and over though!

In "The China Study", T. Colin Campbell cites his work, and how he came to his conclusions over his 40+ years of working in nutritional science, and references almost 750 different professional sources. The food industry can try to discredit his work all they want, but the truth is blatantly evident to anyone with even the mildest familiarity of epidemiology .

eric_sg61

It's refreshing to see someone like Rocbola on the boards. Everybody in this thread should pick up a few books, first one being the China Study, and get some heavy learnzzzzzz in.

If they want to learn, they shouldn't read the China Study. They should read all the science that has disproved it over and over and over and over though!

In "The China Study", T. Colin Campbell cites his work, and how he came to his conclusions over his 40+ years of working in nutritional science, and references almost 750 different professional sources. The food industry can try to discredit his work all they want, but the truth is blatantly evident to anyone with even the mildest familiarity of epidemiology .

Anyone can cherry-pick studies to get the results they want
http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
FTA:
"Why does Campbell avoid mentioning anything potentially positive about animal products in “The China Study,” including evidence unearthed by his own research? For someone who has openly censured the nutritional bias rampant in the scientific community, this seems a tad hypocritical."

"In sum, “The China Study” is a compelling collection of carefully chosen data. Unfortunately for both health seekers and the scientific community, Campbell appears to exclude relevant information when it indicts plant foods as causative of disease, or when it shows potential benefits for animal products. This presents readers with a strongly misleading interpretation of the original China Study data, as well as a slanted perspective of nutritional research from other arenas (including some that Campbell himself conducted)."

ucabucca

Large amounts of anything may not be good moderate amounts and that depends on your own lifestyle for me I was told to add protein and wow I felt better now at over 100 grams a day so I will do that for now. It is like eggs one minute they are bad the next they are good We have to listen to our own bodies. This is crazy without protein I would never be able to do what I love. There are always going to be stdies that tilt things nothing new

levitateme

Studies have shown that cigarettes don't have any calories and are therefore safe for my diet. Studies have also shown that cheese is very high calories and should be weighed, measured and found wanting.

Showcase_Brodown

Thanks for info. From now on I will be cutting the cheese to fight cancer.

SunofaBeach14

It's refreshing to see someone like Rocbola on the boards. Everybody in this thread should pick up a few books, first one being the China Study, and get some heavy learnzzzzzz in.

If they want to learn, they shouldn't read the China Study. They should read all the science that has disproved it over and over and over and over though!

In "The China Study", T. Colin Campbell cites his work, and how he came to his conclusions over his 40+ years of working in nutritional science, and references almost 750 different professional sources. The food industry can try to discredit his work all they want, but the truth is blatantly evident to anyone with even the mildest familiarity of epidemiology .

Thank you, Mr. Minister of Propoganda.

magerum

It's refreshing to see someone like Rocbola on the boards. Everybody in this thread should pick up a few books, first one being the China Study, and get some heavy learnzzzzzz in.

If they want to learn, they shouldn't read the China Study. They should read all the science that has disproved it over and over and over and over though!

In "The China Study", T. Colin Campbell cites his work, and how he came to his conclusions over his 40+ years of working in nutritional science, and references almost 750 different professional sources. The food industry can try to discredit his work all they want, but the truth is blatantly evident to anyone with even the mildest familiarity of epidemiology .

One of the most laughable "studies" in all of academia. It has been throughly debunked to the point of out right lies and fabricated data being brought to light. Another stellar example of how dangerous you are on here to the general weight loss and fitness community.

Kenazwa

Not surprising. It has been known for a long time that high levels of protein is harmful to human kidneys, IN GENERAL. This is not intended to say that every person who eats a lot of protein is going to end up in kidney failure, just that they are increasing the risk.

Where does this tendency to make fun of everything you don't agree with come from? (This is the general you, not a specific you.)

trybefan

http://examine.com/blog/high-protein-diets-linked-to-cancer-should-you-be-concerned/

The same study with some unanswered questions at the end. Sorry if this already posted.

magerum

Not surprising. It has been known for a long time that high levels of protein is harmful to human kidneys, IN GENERAL. This is not intended to say that every person who eats a lot of protein is going to end up in kidney failure, just that they are increasing the risk.

Where does this tendency to make fun of everything you don't agree with come from? (This is the general you, not a specific you.)

That is very outdated information.

http://cjasn.asnjournals.org/content/7/7/1103.abstract

Conclusions In healthy obese individuals, a low-carbohydrate high-protein weight-loss diet over 2 years was not associated with noticeably harmful effects on GFR, albuminuria, or fluid and electrolyte balance compared with a low-fat diet. Further follow-up is needed to determine even longer-term effects on kidney function.

EarthboundAtlas

So if you ever have to run from a lion, run with the hope that they've recently taken down a gazelle. If you can make it past the first 50 yards, the smoker's cough from all that meat should prove to be the great equalizer. If that happens, it's acceptable to stop long enough to point at them and laugh, just don't trip over your gigantic balls if you have to make a quick turn and sprint.

ahamm002

It's refreshing to see someone like Rocbola on the boards. Everybody in this thread should pick up a few books, first one being the China Study, and get some heavy learnzzzzzz in.

If they want to learn, they shouldn't read the China Study. They should read all the science that has disproved it over and over and over and over though!

In "The China Study", T. Colin Campbell cites his work, and how he came to his conclusions over his 40+ years of working in nutritional science, and references almost 750 different professional sources. The food industry can try to discredit his work all they want, but the truth is blatantly evident to anyone with even the mildest familiarity of epidemiology .

LOL, the food industry are the ones who were promoting it (along with the smoking industry back then). They loved using the China study to sell people cheap margarin and soybean oil instead of butter, etc.

Back in those days people were dropping dead left and right from heart attacks and the government needed a scapegoat. The reality is that smoking was probably the culprit, but big tobacco was still giving too much money to politicians back then. Then came along came the vegan Campbell with his highly cherry picked epidemiology study. The government jumped on it and made sat fat the scapegoat. Funny how the China study also showed that eating wheat was associated with higher mortality, but that somehow never made it into Campbell's conclusions . . . so strange!

Athijade

Not surprising. It has been known for a long time that high levels of protein is harmful to human kidneys, IN GENERAL. This is not intended to say that every person who eats a lot of protein is going to end up in kidney failure, just that they are increasing the risk.

Where does this tendency to make fun of everything you don't agree with come from? (This is the general you, not a specific you.)

You have to eat a LOT of protein for it to have an effect on the kidneys. Especially to the point of kidney failure. I did a lot of research on this because I was on a medication that could cause a build up of protein in my kidneys so I had to watch it.

chaparra71

Well, most modern foods are totally unhealthy, from the raising down to the processing. Eat local, know your farmer and his farming practices. I am very thankful that my family and I are able to raise most of our own food with a focus on natural husbandry. In other words, no factory farmed animals or conventionally raised produce.

There is great wisdom here:

“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food”
― Hippocrates

jaydangler

I stopped reading at Fox News. ommmmmmmmmggg really.?

psuLemon

The longest living cultures on the planet are not the ones who eat too much protein and fat. And some of the healthiest populations on earth are the ones who eat mostly vegan. The sickest are the ones who eat too much animal.

You have to take in consideration other factors; daily lifestyle and genetics being two other big factors. A common theme with many long living cultures is they are very active (jobs and walking everywhere to their destinations. Then further complicate it with genetics and you are talking a different ball game. How many diseases/cancers are augmented by ones genetics/family history? It is obtuse of any one person or industry to think following one specific diet will automatically make you live longer without considering the other factors. While you can't change genetics, you can create a more active lifestyle. Heck, the number one reason for death in the US is heart disease.... and whats the common themes, over weight and extreme sedentary. So the bigger questions should be... are life spams shorten from consuming meat or being obese and non active?

neanderthin

The longest living cultures on the planet are not the ones who eat too much protein and fat. And some of the healthiest populations on earth are the ones who eat mostly vegan. The sickest are the ones who eat too much animal.

You have to take in consideration other factors; daily lifestyle and genetics being two other big factors. A common theme with many long living cultures is they are very active (jobs and walking everywhere to their destinations. Then further complicate it with genetics and you are talking a different ball game. How many diseases/cancers are augmented by ones genetics/family history? It is obtuse of any one person or industry to think following one specific diet will automatically make you live longer without considering the other factors. While you can't change genetics, you can create a more active lifestyle. Heck, the number one reason for death in the US is heart disease.... and whats the common themes, over weight and extreme sedentary. So the bigger questions should be... are life spams shorten from consuming meat or being obese and non active?

What does mostly vegan mean anyway? It's pretty obvious by just looking around that it's lifestyle which includes dietary choices that has the USA in the health situation they're in and not because people aren't part time vegans.

Happy4Fitness

You do not nead to read China Study or any other studies to find out the truth. Maybe, we should stay quiet, without arguing how much protein should we eat and just look around and notice what makes the majority sick and overweight? What about common sence, it is far more experienced that modern sciense.
We are all going to die anyway, no matter how many apples with broccoli or cheese we consume. It just makes a difference if you are living your full of value life or taking 10 pills to ease non-stopping pain.

Greywalk

large amount of anything deadly.

Galatea_Stone

I stopped reading at Fox News. ommmmmmmmmggg really.?

I think they may have been the last news organization to pick this story up. I saw it on Huffington Post and CNN as well as MSNBC.

It's still bunk though. There's another study with even more peer review than this one that indicates that having a protein-rich diet significantly reduces the risk of stroke.

da_bears10089

Fox News... smh

Rocbola

LOL, the food industry are the ones who were promoting it (along with the smoking industry back then). They loved using the China study to sell people cheap margarin and soybean oil instead of butter, etc.

Haha You didn't read the book. He does not advocate eating oils or margarine; nothing could be farther from the truth. Campbell advocates eating whole, natural, unprocessed plant foods.

neanderthin

LOL, the food industry are the ones who were promoting it (along with the smoking industry back then). They loved using the China study to sell people cheap margarin and soybean oil instead of butter, etc.

Haha You didn't read the book. He does not advocate eating oils or margarine; nothing could be farther from the truth. Campbell advocates eating whole, natural, unprocessed plant foods.

Those are plant based foods......Are you saying that not all plant foods are healthy and could have a link to disease?

Rocbola

The longest living cultures on the planet are not the ones who eat too much protein and fat. And some of the healthiest populations on earth are the ones who eat mostly vegan. The sickest are the ones who eat too much animal.

You have to take in consideration other factors; daily lifestyle and genetics being two other big factors. A common theme with many long living cultures is they are very active (jobs and walking everywhere to their destinations. Then further complicate it with genetics and you are talking a different ball game. How many diseases/cancers are augmented by ones genetics/family history? It is obtuse of any one person or industry to think following one specific diet will automatically make you live longer without considering the other factors. While you can't change genetics, you can create a more active lifestyle. Heck, the number one reason for death in the US is heart disease.... and whats the common themes, over weight and extreme sedentary. So the bigger questions should be... are life spams shorten from consuming meat or being obese and non active?

I'll agree that non-activity is an issue, however there are very many active people in this country who have a weight problem. I think the problem is MOSTLY on the input side of the equation.

A quick note about genetics: people who migrate to America from other cultures often times get fat and sick, just like Americans. Their genetics doesn't change, but the food changes.

tennisdude2004

LOL, the food industry are the ones who were promoting it (along with the smoking industry back then). They loved using the China study to sell people cheap margarin and soybean oil instead of butter, etc.

Haha You didn't read the book. He does not advocate eating oils or margarine; nothing could be farther from the truth. Campbell advocates eating whole, natural, unprocessed plant foods.

As we all should along with a healthy portion of saturated fat and protein.

ahamm002

LOL, the food industry are the ones who were promoting it (along with the smoking industry back then). They loved using the China study to sell people cheap margarin and soybean oil instead of butter, etc.

Haha You didn't read the book. He does not advocate eating oils or margarine; nothing could be farther from the truth. Campbell advocates eating whole, natural, unprocessed plant foods.

Those are plant based foods......Are you saying that not all plant foods are healthy and could have a link to disease?

Haha, good point.

The China Study's main conclusions, or at least the ones that the government began to parrot were not in regard to eating whole unprocessed food. The take home points that got the most publicity and that Campbell is still happy to endorse to this day is that we should avoid whole fat dairy and meat because of saturated fat. Of course there is now tons of both prospective and observational data that completely refutes that conclusion, but Campbell still argues his vegan propaganda anyway. You can look at the data in the China study and draw any conclusion you want (e.g., wheat is bad for you).

But the government and campbell used the China study to make saturated fat a scapegoat, when in reality smoking was the main cause of all the heart attacks back then. As a result a lot of people began eating in ways that made them less healthy. That is, high processed carbs, low protein, and low fat.