Sugar addiction argh!

nomeejerome

nevermind.

vjohn04

If you truly feel you have an addiction and want help, I'd recommend joining a 12 step group.

If you think this is something you can exercise self-control over, then do it.

tigersword

Of courseI make sense. Do some reserach before you tell me what I "don't know"!

So what toxins does sucrose from a sugar packet carry it that sucrose from an apple does not, that one would be allowed on your detox program and one would not?

Oh telling me to research after pouting nonsense? Pot meet kettle

It is all how the body metabolizes the sweetner you use. Part of the explanation is below.

Digestion of Honey and Sugar
The difference between the digestion of honey compared to the digestion of sugar lies in the composition of enzymes in each of these products.
Sucrose (table sugar) passes through the stomach without any digestion happening because of its disaccharide (a sugar composed of two monosaccharides) composition. This means that the enzymes in the stomach cannot break down the glucose-fructose structure of table sugar until it reaches the small intestine. Then the liver utilizes a few enzymes to convert the molecules into glucose that is able to enter the bloodstream for further use.
Honey is different because of the enzymes that are added to the nectar by bees that divide the sucrose into two simple sugars, fructose and glucose. These sugars are directly absorbed by our bodies and are easier to digest.

Some more info...

Glycemic Index of Sugar and Honey
The glycemic index (GI) is a measure of how carbohydrates
deal with glucose in the blood. A carbohydrate with a low
GI allows for only a small increase in blood glucose, while
a carbohydrate with a high GI leads to a high blood glucose
level. The average glycemic index for honey is 55±5 and this
can be compared to the glycemic index of sugar, which is
68±5. Honey is a lower GI than sugar. Research has shown
that foods with a low GI, a small increase in blood glucose,
may provide reduced risk of coronary heart disease and type
2 diabetes.

Sigh... Do you actually understand what you are saying?

Basically this article says that sucrose is cleaved into glucose and fructose by the enzyme sucrase in the body. Then it says that honey has enzymes that act like sucrase and cleave sucrose in honey into glucose and fructose.

So, once they are both cleaved into glucose and fructose, the body digests them identically. They both get absorbed into the blood by the small intestine.

By the way, the glycemic index has been debunked, and even so, honey at 55 is still considered high on the glycemic scale. Virtually identical from a health standpoint.

sullus

Of courseI make sense. Do some reserach before you tell me what I "don't know"!

So what toxins does sucrose from a sugar packet carry it that sucrose from an apple does not, that one would be allowed on your detox program and one would not?

Oh telling me to research after pouting nonsense? Pot meet kettle

It is all how the body metabolizes the sweetner you use. Part of the explanation is below.

Digestion of Honey and Sugar
The difference between the digestion of honey compared to the digestion of sugar lies in the composition of enzymes in each of these products.
Sucrose (table sugar) passes through the stomach without any digestion happening because of its disaccharide (a sugar composed of two monosaccharides) composition. This means that the enzymes in the stomach cannot break down the glucose-fructose structure of table sugar until it reaches the small intestine. Then the liver utilizes a few enzymes to convert the molecules into glucose that is able to enter the bloodstream for further use.
Honey is different because of the enzymes that are added to the nectar by bees that divide the sucrose into two simple sugars, fructose and glucose. These sugars are directly absorbed by our bodies and are easier to digest.

Some more info...

Glycemic Index of Sugar and Honey
The glycemic index (GI) is a measure of how carbohydrates
deal with glucose in the blood. A carbohydrate with a low
GI allows for only a small increase in blood glucose, while
a carbohydrate with a high GI leads to a high blood glucose
level. The average glycemic index for honey is 55±5 and this
can be compared to the glycemic index of sugar, which is
68±5. Honey is a lower GI than sugar. Research has shown
that foods with a low GI, a small increase in blood glucose,
may provide reduced risk of coronary heart disease and type
2 diabetes.

Given that, High Fructose Corn Syrup is a better alternative than table sugar too .. Since it'd had the same enzyme added to it, and contains the same amount for fructose as Honey.

You could change a sentence above to accurately read:

HFCS is different because of the enzymes that are added to the nectar by factory workers that divide the sucrose into two simple sugars, fructose and glucose. These sugars are directly absorbed by our bodies and are easier to digest.

So HFCS all the way for me from now on.

rr10473

Again as you so eloquently put, do some research. Sucrose? also a naturally occurring sugar. GI Index relevance to those without diabetes? Next to none
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In sugar glucose and fructose bound together to form sucrose. In honey, glucose and fructose are independant of each other.

Thus my point.

Julie61ann

I feel for you, I know how hard it is because I have been there. I also had to give up drinking Coke and found what works for me as far as giving up caffeine...I slowly switched out my Coke for a non-caffeine type pop (7-up, Sprite or Orange, maybe even Dr. Pepper, I'm not sure about that one). I finally got off all pop by switching from 3 cans Coke to 2 cans of Coke and 1 can of Sprite Zero for a week. For the second week I switched to 1 Coke and 1-2 cans of Sprite Zero. By the third week I switched to 1-2 cans of Sprite Zero. After about a month or so it was not a problem to give up the pop because I was no longer addicted to the caffeine. And now I find I can still have a pop every now and then (like when I go out for pizza!) but really have to limit that or just drink non-caffeine pop so I don't start craving it again. I also have a sugar addiction and still somewhat struggle with it so I can't give advice on that, sorry. Good Luck finding what will work for you!

rr10473

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Sigh... Do you actually understand what you are saying?

Basically this article says that sucrose is cleaved into glucose and fructose by the enzyme sucrase in the body. Then it says that honey has enzymes that act like sucrase and cleave sucrose in honey into glucose and fructose.

So, once they are both cleaved into glucose and fructose, the body digests them identically. They both get absorbed into the blood by the small intestine.

By the way, the glycemic index has been debunked, and even so, honey at 55 is still considered high on the glycemic scale. Virtually identical from a health standpoint.
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I was only providing a few items of research. Honey is natural, sugar is processed. By that point, your body metabolizes processed food differenly. Natural/Whole foods are what are best for your body, period.
I have been studying this for some time and have done my own research. If you feel differently, fine.

Acg67

Again as you so eloquently put, do some research. Sucrose? also a naturally occurring sugar. GI Index relevance to those without diabetes? Next to none

In sugar glucose and fructose bound together to form sucrose. In honey, glucose and fructose are independant of each other.

Thus my point.
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Glucose and fructose are sugars and sucrose is also naturally occurring, in which case;

"Sugar is most definately addicting! You detox by only using natural sugars (i.e. honey, natural stevia) and only eating foods where sugar is the 5th ingredient - they are out there!!) I say stay away from diet soda and processed foods altogether. Drink plenty of water!!!! Any detox (caffiene, sugar) will give you headaches. Hang in their. They will go away. "

asdowe13

Again as you so eloquently put, do some research. Sucrose? also a naturally occurring sugar. GI Index relevance to those without diabetes? Next to none

In sugar glucose and fructose bound together to form sucrose. In honey, glucose and fructose are independant of each other.

Thus my point.

Such ignorance , glucose and fructose are sugars and sucrose is also naturally occurring, in which case;

"Sugar is most definately addicting! You detox by only using natural sugars (i.e. honey, natural stevia) and only eating foods where sugar is the 5th ingredient - they are out there!!) I say stay away from diet soda and processed foods altogether. Drink plenty of water!!!! Any detox (caffiene, sugar) will give you headaches. Hang in their. They will go away. "

is still asinine
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You sir make sense!

TX_Rhon

Again as you so eloquently put, do some research. Sucrose? also a naturally occurring sugar. GI Index relevance to those without diabetes? Next to none

In sugar glucose and fructose bound together to form sucrose. In honey, glucose and fructose are independant of each other.

Thus my point.

Such ignorance , glucose and fructose are sugars and sucrose is also naturally occurring, in which case;

"Sugar is most definately addicting! You detox by only using natural sugars (i.e. honey, natural stevia) and only eating foods where sugar is the 5th ingredient - they are out there!!) I say stay away from diet soda and processed foods altogether. Drink plenty of water!!!! Any detox (caffiene, sugar) will give you headaches. Hang in their. They will go away. "

is still asinine

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So what you are trying to say is someone who is truly addicted to beer cannot detox from alcohol if they drink vodka nor

can you truly "Detox" from sugar if you are subbing it with another type of sugar.

Genius!

rr10473

Again as you so eloquently put, do some research. Sucrose? also a naturally occurring sugar. GI Index relevance to those without diabetes? Next to none

In sugar glucose and fructose bound together to form sucrose. In honey, glucose and fructose are independant of each other.

Thus my point.

Such ignorance , glucose and fructose are sugars and sucrose is also naturally occurring, in which case;

"Sugar is most definately addicting! You detox by only using natural sugars (i.e. honey, natural stevia) and only eating foods where sugar is the 5th ingredient - they are out there!!) I say stay away from diet soda and processed foods altogether. Drink plenty of water!!!! Any detox (caffiene, sugar) will give you headaches. Hang in their. They will go away. "

is still asinine

You sir make sense!
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Seems like you and your friend can't handle differing information than what you are used to. And I am the ignorant one? Carry on with your bullying.

rr10473

Again as you so eloquently put, do some research. Sucrose? also a naturally occurring sugar. GI Index relevance to those without diabetes? Next to none

In sugar glucose and fructose bound together to form sucrose. In honey, glucose and fructose are independant of each other.

Thus my point.

Such ignorance , glucose and fructose are sugars and sucrose is also naturally occurring, in which case;

"Sugar is most definately addicting! You detox by only using natural sugars (i.e. honey, natural stevia) and only eating foods where sugar is the 5th ingredient - they are out there!!) I say stay away from diet soda and processed foods altogether. Drink plenty of water!!!! Any detox (caffiene, sugar) will give you headaches. Hang in their. They will go away. "

is still asinine

So what you are trying to say is someone who is truly addicted to beer cannot detox from alcohol if they drink vodka nor

can you truly "Detox" from sugar if you are subbing it with another type of sugar.

Genius!
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Thank you! I think I am pretty smart myself.

Actually yes you can. If you haven't done so you wouldn't know what I was referring to. Seems like you know what to do with an addiction to sugar. Please advise.

Acg67

Again as you so eloquently put, do some research. Sucrose? also a naturally occurring sugar. GI Index relevance to those without diabetes? Next to none

In sugar glucose and fructose bound together to form sucrose. In honey, glucose and fructose are independant of each other.

Thus my point.

Such ignorance , glucose and fructose are sugars and sucrose is also naturally occurring, in which case;

"Sugar is most definately addicting! You detox by only using natural sugars (i.e. honey, natural stevia) and only eating foods where sugar is the 5th ingredient - they are out there!!) I say stay away from diet soda and processed foods altogether. Drink plenty of water!!!! Any detox (caffiene, sugar) will give you headaches. Hang in their. They will go away. "

is still asinine

You sir make sense!

Seems like you and your friend can't handle differing information than what you are used to. And I am the ignorant one? Carry on with your bullying.
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LMAO

I want you to scroll down to sugars, then tell me what the first one listed is. How in the world did that get in an apple?

http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2200?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=25&sort=&qlookup=apple&offset=&format=Full&new=&measureby=

tigersword

Sigh... Do you actually understand what you are saying?

Basically this article says that sucrose is cleaved into glucose and fructose by the enzyme sucrase in the body. Then it says that honey has enzymes that act like sucrase and cleave sucrose in honey into glucose and fructose.

So, once they are both cleaved into glucose and fructose, the body digests them identically. They both get absorbed into the blood by the small intestine.

By the way, the glycemic index has been debunked, and even so, honey at 55 is still considered high on the glycemic scale. Virtually identical from a health standpoint.

I was only providing a few items of research. Honey is natural, sugar is processed. By that point, your body metabolizes processed food differenly. Natural/Whole foods are what are best for your body, period.
I have been studying this for some time and have done my own research. If you feel differently, fine.

OK first of all, a google search isn't "research." I'll start with the very basics. Sucrose is NOT a processed sugar, it's a naturally occurring sugar. In fact, sucrose occurs naturally in honey (honey contains about 1% sucrose, 7% maltose [another disaccharide,] 31% glucose, and 38% fructose) as well as EVERY fruit known to man. Honestly, as far as sugar ratios go, honey is very similar to high fructose corn syrup.

rr10473

Seems like you and your friend can't handle differing information than what you are used to. And I am the ignorant one? Carry on with your bullying.
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LMAO

I want you to scroll down to sugars, then tell me what the first one listed is. How in the world did that get in an apple?

http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2200?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=25&sort=&qlookup=apple&offset=&format=Full&new=&measureby=
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My original point did not say anything about comparing apples to sugar. Obviously there is natural sugar in apple's and other fruit. But again, this is natural - not processed . White table sugar - not natural.

farfromthetree

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Seems like you and your friend can't handle differing information than what you are used to. And I am the ignorant one? Carry on with your bullying.
[/quote]

LMAO

I want you to scroll down to sugars, then tell me what the first one listed is. How in the world did that get in an apple?

http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2200?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=25&sort=&qlookup=apple&offset=&format=Full&new=&measureby=
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I really think you are the pot calling the kettle black, you are the bully, Interersting how you will not even post a picture of your face. You ruin these forums for me

WendyTerry420

*assessing whether or not I have the patience for this today*

rr10473

Sigh... Do you actually understand what you are saying?

Basically this article says that sucrose is cleaved into glucose and fructose by the enzyme sucrase in the body. Then it says that honey has enzymes that act like sucrase and cleave sucrose in honey into glucose and fructose.

So, once they are both cleaved into glucose and fructose, the body digests them identically. They both get absorbed into the blood by the small intestine.

By the way, the glycemic index has been debunked, and even so, honey at 55 is still considered high on the glycemic scale. Virtually identical from a health standpoint.

I was only providing a few items of research. Honey is natural, sugar is processed. By that point, your body metabolizes processed food differenly. Natural/Whole foods are what are best for your body, period.
I have been studying this for some time and have done my own research. If you feel differently, fine.

OK first of all, a google search isn't "research." I'll start with the very basics. Sucrose is NOT a processed sugar, it's a naturally occurring sugar. In fact, sucrose occurs naturally in honey (honey contains about 1% sucrose, 7% maltose [another disaccharide,] 31% glucose, and 38% fructose) as well as EVERY fruit known to man. Honestly, as far as sugar ratios go, honey is very similar to high fructose corn syrup.

It's interesting how you only pick up what you want from my info. No my research is not based on a "google search". The references I made are related to sugar as a processed substance versus honey as a natural pure form of sugar.

TX_Rhon

Again as you so eloquently put, do some research. Sucrose? also a naturally occurring sugar. GI Index relevance to those without diabetes? Next to none

In sugar glucose and fructose bound together to form sucrose. In honey, glucose and fructose are independant of each other.

Thus my point.

Such ignorance , glucose and fructose are sugars and sucrose is also naturally occurring, in which case;

"Sugar is most definately addicting! You detox by only using natural sugars (i.e. honey, natural stevia) and only eating foods where sugar is the 5th ingredient - they are out there!!) I say stay away from diet soda and processed foods altogether. Drink plenty of water!!!! Any detox (caffiene, sugar) will give you headaches. Hang in their. They will go away. "

is still asinine

So what you are trying to say is someone who is truly addicted to beer cannot detox from alcohol if they drink vodka nor

can you truly "Detox" from sugar if you are subbing it with another type of sugar.

Genius!

Thank you! I think I am pretty smart myself.

Actually yes you can. If you haven't done so you wouldn't know what I was referring to. Seems like you know what to do with an addiction to sugar. Please advise.
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To whine about having a sugar addiction belittles those who have battled true addiction. Man up and put down the cookie. Quit making your excuses as to why you cannot lose weight or be healthy or coddling others as to why they are not succeeding by saying "its ok, its' your sugar addiction." This does not apply for those with health conditions. Also, a difference in opinion does not make one a bully.

Please note: I do not think this was the case of the OP!

Acg67

Seems like you and your friend can't handle differing information than what you are used to. And I am the ignorant one? Carry on with your bullying.

LMAO

I want you to scroll down to sugars, then tell me what the first one listed is. How in the world did that get in an apple?

http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/2200?fg=&man=&lfacet=&count=&max=25&sort=&qlookup=apple&offset=&format=Full&new=&measureby=
[/quote]

My original point did not say anything about comparing apples to sugar. Obviously there is natural sugar in apple's and other fruit. But again, this is natural - not processed . White table sugar - not natural.
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Got it, so is the below white table sugar or natural sucrose from an apple? How did you determine which one it was?

asdowe13

Sigh... Do you actually understand what you are saying?

Basically this article says that sucrose is cleaved into glucose and fructose by the enzyme sucrase in the body. Then it says that honey has enzymes that act like sucrase and cleave sucrose in honey into glucose and fructose.

So, once they are both cleaved into glucose and fructose, the body digests them identically. They both get absorbed into the blood by the small intestine.

By the way, the glycemic index has been debunked, and even so, honey at 55 is still considered high on the glycemic scale. Virtually identical from a health standpoint.

I was only providing a few items of research. Honey is natural, sugar is processed. By that point, your body metabolizes processed food differenly. Natural/Whole foods are what are best for your body, period.
I have been studying this for some time and have done my own research. If you feel differently, fine.

OK first of all, a google search isn't "research." I'll start with the very basics. Sucrose is NOT a processed sugar, it's a naturally occurring sugar. In fact, sucrose occurs naturally in honey (honey contains about 1% sucrose, 7% maltose [another disaccharide,] 31% glucose, and 38% fructose) as well as EVERY fruit known to man. Honestly, as far as sugar ratios go, honey is very similar to high fructose corn syrup.

It's interesting how you only pick up what you want from my info. No my research is not based on a "google search". The references I made are related to sugar as a processed substance versus honey as a natural pure form of sugar.

I'm pretty sure honey is a processed sugar, bees mainly being the working force here.

rr10473

[___________________
To whine about having a sugar addiction belittles those who have battled true addiction. Man up and put down the cookie. Quit making your excuses as to why you cannot lose weight or be healthy or coddling others as to why they are not succeeding by saying "its ok, its' your sugar addiction." This does not apply for those with health conditions. Also, a difference in opinion does not make one a bully.

Please note: I do not think this was the case of the OP!
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I am not whining. I have overcome the battle with weight loss sucessfully. Thank you very much! I did have a true addiction and was trying to offer what I knew worked for me. Having a difference of opinion is not a bully. you are right. Calling people names after not understanding their point of view is!

QuietBloom

I was only providing a few items of research. Honey is natural, sugar is processed. By that point, your body metabolizes processed food differenly. Natural/Whole foods are what are best for your body, period.
I have been studying this for some time and have done my own research. If you feel differently, fine.

Sucrose is processed by humans. Honey is processed by bees. They are both processed.

Acg67

[___________________
To whine about having a sugar addiction belittles those who have battled true addiction. Man up and put down the cookie. Quit making your excuses as to why you cannot lose weight or be healthy or coddling others as to why they are not succeeding by saying "its ok, its' your sugar addiction." This does not apply for those with health conditions. Also, a difference in opinion does not make one a bully.

Please note: I do not think this was the case of the OP!

I am not whining. I have overcome the battle with weight loss sucessfully. Thank you very much! I did have a true addiction and was trying to offer what I knew worked for me. Having a difference of opinion is not a bully. you are right. Calling people names after not understanding their point of view is!
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So did you avoid all saccharides to overcome your addiction to them?

TX_Rhon

I really think you are the pot calling the kettle black, you are the bully, Interersting how you will not even post a picture of your face. You ruin these forums for me

Acg67 does not need to post a pic of his face. It detracts from those abs!! :blushing:

QuietBloom

I really think you are the pot calling the kettle black, you are the bully, Interersting how you will not even post a picture of your face. You ruin these forums for me

I thank my lucky stars every time I see him post in these sugar nonsense threads.

EDIT: Dear God, you newbies need to figure out how to use the quotes properly!

WendyTerry420

When did sugar become a toxin??

I'm thinking it happened about the same time that polite conversation became "bullying" and when sensationalist lies became "news." I think this was about the same time when they decided that instead of giving a trophy to the winner, that all kids would get one. This correlates with the timing of the war on drugs going from rhetoric to actually bombing other countries.

Because it's so much easier to blame an inanimate object that has not harmed you than to find the root cause of your own destructive behavior and learn to be a better person.



*sigh*

RllyGudTweetr

I got lost right around the point where someone's logic chain "proved conclusively" that an alcoholic could 'detox' by switching from beer to vodka or vice versa, and they confirmed that this was the case.

How does that work, again?

rr10473

[___________________
To whine about having a sugar addiction belittles those who have battled true addiction. Man up and put down the cookie. Quit making your excuses as to why you cannot lose weight or be healthy or coddling others as to why they are not succeeding by saying "its ok, its' your sugar addiction." This does not apply for those with health conditions. Also, a difference in opinion does not make one a bully.

Please note: I do not think this was the case of the OP!

I am not whining. I have overcome the battle with weight loss sucessfully. Thank you very much! I did have a true addiction and was trying to offer what I knew worked for me. Having a difference of opinion is not a bully. you are right. Calling people names after not understanding their point of view is!

So did you avoid all saccharides to overcome your addiction to them?
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Yes!

nomeejerome

EDIT: Dear God, you newbies need to figure out how to use the quotes properly!

:flowerforyou: