Sugar addiction argh!
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this thread is like a re-run of full house...
you know it sucks, but you cant help but enjoy the entertainment.
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Please explain in biological and chemical terms how sucrose as table sugar differs from the sucrose in honey.Sigh... Do you actually understand what you are saying?
Basically this article says that sucrose is cleaved into glucose and fructose by the enzyme sucrase in the body. Then it says that honey has enzymes that act like sucrase and cleave sucrose in honey into glucose and fructose.
So, once they are both cleaved into glucose and fructose, the body digests them identically. They both get absorbed into the blood by the small intestine.
By the way, the glycemic index has been debunked, and even so, honey at 55 is still considered high on the glycemic scale. Virtually identical from a health standpoint.
I was only providing a few items of research. Honey is natural, sugar is processed. By that point, your body metabolizes processed food differenly. Natural/Whole foods are what are best for your body, period.
I have been studying this for some time and have done my own research. If you feel differently, fine.
OK first of all, a google search isn't "research." I'll start with the very basics. Sucrose is NOT a processed sugar, it's a naturally occurring sugar. In fact, sucrose occurs naturally in honey (honey contains about 1% sucrose, 7% maltose [another disaccharide,] 31% glucose, and 38% fructose) as well as EVERY fruit known to man. Honestly, as far as sugar ratios go, honey is very similar to high fructose corn syrup.
It's interesting how you only pick up what you want from my info. No my research is not based on a "google search". The references I made are related to sugar as a processed substance versus honey as a natural pure form of sugar.0 -
When did sugar become a toxin??
I'm thinking it happened about the same time that polite conversation became "bullying" and when sensationalist lies became "news." I think this was about the same time when they decided that instead of giving a trophy to the winner, that all kids would get one. This correlates with the timing of the war on drugs going from rhetoric to actually bombing other countries.
Because it's so much easier to blame an inanimate object that has not harmed you than to find the root cause of your own destructive behavior and learn to be a better person.
*sigh*
Interesting thought. Calling me ascinine is polite conversation? Ok. Your opinion.0 -
I really think you are the pot calling the kettle black, you are the bully, Interersting how you will not even post a picture of your face. You ruin these forums for me
I thank my lucky stars every time I see him post in these sugar nonsense threads.
EDIT: Dear God, you newbies need to figure out how to use the quotes properly!
I do not consider myself a newbie...since I have not missed a day in 3 months but whaever... I just KNEW some KNOW-IT-ALL was going to say somethig about the quote...lol. Do you feel better????0 -
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To whine about having a sugar addiction belittles those who have battled true addiction. Man up and put down the cookie. Quit making your excuses as to why you cannot lose weight or be healthy or coddling others as to why they are not succeeding by saying "its ok, its' your sugar addiction." This does not apply for those with health conditions. Also, a difference in opinion does not make one a bully.
Please note: I do not think this was the case of the OP!
I am not whining. I have overcome the battle with weight loss sucessfully. Thank you very much! I did have a true addiction and was trying to offer what I knew worked for me. Having a difference of opinion is not a bully. you are right. Calling people names after not understanding their point of view is!
So did you avoid all saccharides to overcome your addiction to them?
Yes!
So you ate no vegetables? No fruit? No dairy products?
Anyway, your body breaks down everything you eat into glucose (a sugar) without which you would die. Sugar (all sugars) are naturally occurring, non-toxic, and definitely not addicting. Though I will admit to adding sugar and fat (maybe some carbs) together make some might fine goodies that are hard to put down.0 -
Sugar is most definately addicting! You detox by only using natural sugars (i.e. honey, natural stevia) and only eating foods where sugar is the 5th ingredient - they are out there!!) I say stay away from diet soda and processed foods altogether. Drink plenty of water!!!! Any detox (caffiene, sugar) will give you headaches. Hang in their. They will go away.
So as long as sugar is the 5th ingredient, you'll magically detox?
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I really think you are the pot calling the kettle black, you are the bully, Interersting how you will not even post a picture of your face. You ruin these forums for me
I thank my lucky stars every time I see him post in these sugar nonsense threads.
EDIT: Dear God, you newbies need to figure out how to use the quotes properly!
I do not consider myself a newbie...since I have not missed a day in 3 months but whaever... I just KNEW some KNOW-IT-ALL was going to say somethig about the quote...lol. Do you feel better????
Infinitely. Thanks for asking.0 -
Uh huh. And now we know you have no idea what you are talking about. Unless you've been eating nothing but plain meat, as that's about the only way you can avoid all saccharides.___________________
To whine about having a sugar addiction belittles those who have battled true addiction. Man up and put down the cookie. Quit making your excuses as to why you cannot lose weight or be healthy or coddling others as to why they are not succeeding by saying "its ok, its' your sugar addiction." This does not apply for those with health conditions. Also, a difference in opinion does not make one a bully.
Please note: I do not think this was the case of the OP!
I am not whining. I have overcome the battle with weight loss sucessfully. Thank you very much! I did have a true addiction and was trying to offer what I knew worked for me. Having a difference of opinion is not a bully. you are right. Calling people names after not understanding their point of view is!
So did you avoid all saccharides to overcome your addiction to them?
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To whine about having a sugar addiction belittles those who have battled true addiction. Man up and put down the cookie. Quit making your excuses as to why you cannot lose weight or be healthy or coddling others as to why they are not succeeding by saying "its ok, its' your sugar addiction." This does not apply for those with health conditions. Also, a difference in opinion does not make one a bully.
Please note: I do not think this was the case of the OP!
I am not whining. I have overcome the battle with weight loss sucessfully. Thank you very much! I did have a true addiction and was trying to offer what I knew worked for me. Having a difference of opinion is not a bully. you are right. Calling people names after not understanding their point of view is!
So did you avoid all saccharides to overcome your addiction to them?
Yes!
So you ate no vegetables? No fruit? No dairy products?
Anyway, your body breaks down everything you eat into glucose (a sugar) without which you would die. Sugar (all sugars) are naturally occurring, non-toxic, and definitely not addicting. Though I will admit to adding sugar and fat (maybe some carbs) together make some might fine goodies that are hard to put down.
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Disagree. But that is fine. We can agree to disagree don't worry I won't call you any names in the process.0 -
I'm pretty sure honey is a processed sugar, bees mainly being the working force here.
I just watched a program on TV yesterday where they were showing the process. Processed is definitely the correct word. It took 30 minutes to show it all. Very interesting. :flowerforyou:0 -
Definitely caffeine withdrawal. There's no such thing as sugar addiction. That would be akin to "oxygen addiction," as the human body literally requires sugar to live.
Well, part of this statement is right.
The body does need glucose to live which is a sugar found in foods like fruits. You're right, in that.
But what the body DOES NOT need, is the highly processed sugar that is found in a lot foods that really don't need it, but it's a great cheap preservative.
And sorry, but you're wrong about the addiction part also. I am an addiction counselor [non-practicing] but yes, a person can be addicted to sugar, especially the type found in things like soda, candy, cookies, cake and that sort of thing. I am living proof of it. When I experience stress, I like to reach for chocolate, or other candy. I have actual physical cravings and they are similar to the nicotine cravings I used to have after I quit smoking. Yes, I did switch one addictive substance for another.
I would normally back this statement up with proof, and give you links, but I just got an emergency call and have to run but felt it important enough to finish this post to you.
To the OP, take it one day at a time. It will get better. I am fighting it myself. I gave up candy for Lent and it's been really rough, but I can tell you that each day it does get better.
P.S. I will come back later and edit this post with scientific fact (not bro-science) of sugar addiction.
After 72 hours, nicotine is out of your system. The cravings you have after that are purely psychological, not physical. It is the same for any physically addictive substance, more or less depending on how long it takes your body to detox from that substance.
Sugar is not physically addictive, but you may have a psychological pull to a food that provides you emotional comfort. if it were truly physically addictive, then you would not care that the food you were reaching for is chocolate. You would eat any food containing sugar you could get your hands on.
Don't need science here, just a little common sense.0 -
When did sugar become a toxin??
I'm thinking it happened about the same time that polite conversation became "bullying" and when sensationalist lies became "news." I think this was about the same time when they decided that instead of giving a trophy to the winner, that all kids would get one. This correlates with the timing of the war on drugs going from rhetoric to actually bombing other countries.
Because it's so much easier to blame an inanimate object that has not harmed you than to find the root cause of your own destructive behavior and learn to be a better person.
*sigh*
Interesting thought. Calling me ascinine is polite conversation? Ok. Your opinion.
Wait...what? If I had called you that, then I would have spelled it correctly. Also, ego much? This was directed at adowe, whom I quoted. I don't see anything about you here.0 -
I got lost right around the point where someone's logic chain "proved conclusively" that an alcoholic could 'detox' by switching from beer to vodka or vice versa, and they confirmed that this was the case.
How does that work, again?
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Man I loved that show as a kid. Seeing an episode now? Heartbreaking. :frown:this thread is like a re-run of full house...
you know it sucks, but you cant help but enjoy the entertainment.
carry on...0 -
this thread is like a re-run of full house...
you know it sucks, but you cant help but enjoy the entertainment.
carry on...
I know, right? This thread comes up daily.
Although I'm pretty sure Michelle is a sugar addict and needs rehab.
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Thanks everyone, cold turkey here I come! (packet of ibuprofen at the ready) I don't drink coffee, never thought of it as being a caffeine addiction, that's really useful, the advice not the addiction.
Do you drink tea? That has some caffeine and might help the headaches. Or can you wean yourself off of soda, drink less and less until there's none?
Good luck! I have gone off caffeine in the past and get ungodly headaches that last for a week. Hopefully yours will not be so bad!0 -
Uh huh. And now we know you have no idea what you are talking about. Unless you've been eating nothing but plain meat, as that's about the only way you can avoid all saccharides.___________________
To whine about having a sugar addiction belittles those who have battled true addiction. Man up and put down the cookie. Quit making your excuses as to why you cannot lose weight or be healthy or coddling others as to why they are not succeeding by saying "its ok, its' your sugar addiction." This does not apply for those with health conditions. Also, a difference in opinion does not make one a bully.
Please note: I do not think this was the case of the OP!
I am not whining. I have overcome the battle with weight loss sucessfully. Thank you very much! I did have a true addiction and was trying to offer what I knew worked for me. Having a difference of opinion is not a bully. you are right. Calling people names after not understanding their point of view is!
So did you avoid all saccharides to overcome your addiction to them?
Yes!
Why is that hard to believe? In that plan I was on, you elminiated just about everything for a period of time. Just eat rice and protein. Then incorporate them slowly to see how your body handles it. I had to go to this extreme. Why is that wrong?0 -
ITT: strong quoting abilities
-Physical food addictions are not real. (caffeine is another story)
-Mental "addiction" is a lack of willpower.0 -
I was a Diet Cherry Coke-a-holic and beat it! You can too! This is what I did. I cut myself back to one soda a day for a week. And if I got a headache I took aspirin (but I didn't really get one). The other MAIN thing I did that I believe helped me beat that need for something sweet to drink is I started drinking Zero Vitamin Water (but make sure it's the ZERO no calorie version). I try and drink 3 of them a day - minimum! If I get hungry, I drink my Vitamin Water because 9 times out of 10 you're not hungry you're thirsty. I buy them in a 20 pack from Sam's (a lot cheaper than the grocery store - only $12 - 14 a 20-pack vs $1+ a bottle at the grocery store).
I SWEAR by Zero Vitamin Water. You're getting hydrated and you're kicking the soda habit!
Good luck!! It's not easy at first but I guarantee you will be SO happy you did it in the end!
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+1 billion to this!
I really think you are the pot calling the kettle black, you are the bully, Interersting how you will not even post a picture of your face. You ruin these forums for me
I thank my lucky stars every time I see him post in these sugar nonsense threads.
EDIT: Dear God, you newbies need to figure out how to use the quotes properly!0 -
I know where you are coming from. I'm proud of your for connecting through this forum. How many Cokes do you drink a day? What times of day do you drink them?
My suggestion is this...
First - reduce the portion you drink by 50% immediately, but don't change the time you drink them. Add lots of ice and take small sips. Make it last longer.
Second- Once you are not bothered at all by the reduction in portion, eliminate one portion entirely and replace it with water. So...if you are drinking a coke for breakfast, lunch, dinner and snack, then eliminate snack and replace with an ice cold bottle of water.
Repeat this process after adjusting until you no longer feel the urge to constantly drink coke. It may be that you end up drinking just one a day.
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Thanks everyone, cold turkey here I come! (packet of ibuprofen at the ready) I don't drink coffee, never thought of it as being a caffeine addiction, that's really useful, the advice not the addiction.
Caffeine withdrawal is much easier to deal with than cocaine withdrawal. Good luck, OP!0 -
I get what you are saying about sugar addiction and I've known people who have had headaches from drastically reducing their candy intake.
It works like an upper and when you crash you need more. Also certain forms can trigger overeating. It sounds like you want off that roller coaster. I am/ was very similar. I had to attack it from all angles. I did get help from a Therapy group for people with binge eating and compulsive overeating. Its is NOT about f** will power! Addiction is not freedom from responsibility or consequence and it is really disheartening to hear so many people say 'how about stop making excuses'. There is a difference between making excuses and trying to understand something better in order to find solutions. You sound like you want to find real solutions you can stick with.
I learned to reduce my 'sweets' to once a day with a 200cal max. and to have it with a meal. Sweets meaning things with refined sugar, honey, maple syrup, corn syrup and the like NOT whole fruits or whole grains.
I don't have them in the house.
I try to eat them socially where I won't binge on them.
I plan for them, meaning I have certain times during the day that I eat. If its not my time I wait. I never go longer then 4.5hr without food. Thus if someone brought cookies to work I can have one but I wait to have it with a meal. aka removing the impulse.
I eat my sweets closer to bed time so when the 'crash' comes I'll be in bed.
Just whats been working for me, lots of small steps.
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Uh huh. And now we know you have no idea what you are talking about. Unless you've been eating nothing but plain meat, as that's about the only way you can avoid all saccharides.___________________
To whine about having a sugar addiction belittles those who have battled true addiction. Man up and put down the cookie. Quit making your excuses as to why you cannot lose weight or be healthy or coddling others as to why they are not succeeding by saying "its ok, its' your sugar addiction." This does not apply for those with health conditions. Also, a difference in opinion does not make one a bully.
Please note: I do not think this was the case of the OP!
I am not whining. I have overcome the battle with weight loss sucessfully. Thank you very much! I did have a true addiction and was trying to offer what I knew worked for me. Having a difference of opinion is not a bully. you are right. Calling people names after not understanding their point of view is!
So did you avoid all saccharides to overcome your addiction to them?
Yes!
Why is that hard to believe? In that plan I was on, you elminiated just about everything for a period of time. Just eat rice and protein. Then incorporate them slowly to see how your body handles it. I had to go to this extreme. Why is that wrong?
Doing an elimination diet isn't wrong. If that worked for you, then that's great, and I'm glad you are in a healthier place as a result.
Claiming that food is physically addicting, however, IS wrong. You may have felt that you couldn't stop eating a certain thing. Heck, there are plenty of foods that I can only buy in small quantities because I "can't stop" eating them. And yes, processed food is specifically made to be so good you don't want to stop. But none of that makes it addictive.0 -
I get what you are saying about sugar addiction and I've known people who have had headaches from drastically reducing their candy intake.
It works like an upper and when you crash you need more. Also certain forms can trigger overeating. It sounds like you want off that roller coaster. I am/ was very similar. I had to attack it from all angles. I did get help from a Therapy group for people with binge eating and compulsive overeating. Its is NOT about f** will power! Addiction is not freedom from responsibility or consequence and it is really disheartening to hear so many people say 'how about stop making excuses'. There is a difference between making excuses and trying to understand something better in order to find solutions. You sound like you want to find real solutions you can stick with.
I learned to reduce my 'sweets' to once a day with a 200cal max. and to have it with a meal. Sweets meaning things with refined sugar, honey, maple syrup, corn syrup and the like NOT whole fruits or whole grains.
I don't have them in the house.
I try to eat them socially where I won't binge on them.
I plan for them, meaning I have certain times during the day that I eat. If its not my time I wait. I never go longer then 4.5hr without food. Thus if someone brought cookies to work I can have one but I wait to have it with a meal. aka removing the impulse.
I eat my sweets closer to bed time so when the 'crash' comes I'll be in bed.
Just whats been working for me, lots of small steps.
Best Wishes!
Great points. Every one's journey with weight loss is their own.0 -
Rice is full of oligosaccharides. You stated you eliminated ALL saccharides from your diet. Obviously you didn't, which shows that you don't actually know what saccharides are. Which proves that you have no business in this conversation trying to insist that you know better than others.
Uh huh. And now we know you have no idea what you are talking about. Unless you've been eating nothing but plain meat, as that's about the only way you can avoid all saccharides.___________________
To whine about having a sugar addiction belittles those who have battled true addiction. Man up and put down the cookie. Quit making your excuses as to why you cannot lose weight or be healthy or coddling others as to why they are not succeeding by saying "its ok, its' your sugar addiction." This does not apply for those with health conditions. Also, a difference in opinion does not make one a bully.
Please note: I do not think this was the case of the OP!
I am not whining. I have overcome the battle with weight loss sucessfully. Thank you very much! I did have a true addiction and was trying to offer what I knew worked for me. Having a difference of opinion is not a bully. you are right. Calling people names after not understanding their point of view is!
So did you avoid all saccharides to overcome your addiction to them?
Yes!
Why is that hard to believe? In that plan I was on, you elminiated just about everything for a period of time. Just eat rice and protein. Then incorporate them slowly to see how your body handles it. I had to go to this extreme. Why is that wrong?0 -
I'm 28, always naturally yoyo'd through childhood, went to uni, piled it on and my weight just keeps going up. Until now. I signed up nearly 2 weeks ago and I'm already feeling better, despite a glitch with the scales, I moved where I weighed myself and shot up a stone and a half overnight
My main setback now is my addiction to Coke (the drink not the drug) I should probably say addiction to sugar as I do have a sweet tooth but when I try to cut back on the pop I get horrible headaches whereas I can do without the chocolate. If anyone has any advice on getting over that I'd greatly appreciate it
Instead of making excuses, buckle down and stay on track. Try diet soda if you like soda but don't want the cals
This. YOu have to go through SOME level of discomfort. It ain't gonna be easy but white knuckle your way through it. Like everything else, this will pass.0 -
[Why is that hard to believe? In that plan I was on, you elminiated just about everything for a period of time. Just eat rice and protein. Then incorporate them slowly to see how your body handles it. I had to go to this extreme. Why is that wrong?
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Rice is full of oligosaccharides. You stated you eliminated ALL saccharides from your diet. Obviously you didn't, which shows that you don't actually know what saccharides are. Which proves that you have no business in this conversation trying to insist that you know better than others.
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I am not insisting I know better than others. AT ALL. I was merely sharing my experience. When I said yes to no Saccharides I was talking about simple sugars. Why do like to feed off of one point that may be off? Does that make you happy? My journey is my journey. I was only giving OP advice on something that I belive fully based on extensive research.0 -
I suggest therapy, a 12 step program, and a sponser for your hard days.
*hugs*
Sponsor and DON'T EVEN. I know it's a joke, and it's a good one. BUT, god help me these people will hang on to "Sugar addiction" like it's a real thing. Try kicking freebase, booze and cigarettes and then tell me about your sugar addiction. (hugs)0 -
I suggest therapy, a 12 step program, and a sponser for your hard days.
*hugs*
That WAS funny though! 0
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