Are Quest Bars clean?
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I personally don't eat Quest Bars because they are expensive but if i wasn't so cheap... i would.....
Now, if they are clean or not... I would say NO.. but like most people i think clean is a marketing term that health nuts made up to sell tofu and sunflower seeds.... for 20 Bucks a packet...
*sigh*
Clean should even be a term used it's just eating as you see fit. Which does not agree with what you see fit to eat. I think IIFYM was a term invented by people who are trying to justify eating candy bars and ice cream if they want to.. but ya know.. to each their won. live and let live yadda yadda yadda
Protein bars and powder are the biggest exception a lot of professed clean eaters make in their diet. My trainer even told me to eat clean, but supplement with powder as needed.
So it's whatever..
As a clean eater, I do agree with your assessment of IIFYM or at least the way some here like to push their junk food on others. I don't have a trainer on my goal towards better fitness. I would think not all trainers are created equal and would be leery of one pushing protein bars and powder if they are recommending you eat clean or know you eat clean.
I follow the "IIFYM" theory and I don't feel like I need to "justify" myself to anyone. I know plenty of people who do flexible dieting and they are shredded/in great shape. More so than some clean eaters. We are all working toward the same goal in the end. To be fit and look great! To build muscle, lean out, lose fat. Those things can be achieved with either clean eating or flexible dieting. So why do people care so much? Why are people judging me for being able to eat a donut, or pizza, and still be able to get fit and hit my Protein/Carb/Fat macros??
I was responding tongue in cheek to this post:Now, if they are clean or not... I would say NO.. but like most people i think clean is a marketing term that health nuts made up to sell tofu and sunflower seeds.... for 20 Bucks a packet...
I don't need to justify my eating habits.. and i don't go around telling people i'm a clean eater anywhere else. Online i am asked my diet. I eat what i want, but I am actively avoiding certain things. In the world of MFP my diet most resembles that of a clean diet. To me it's just eating. If I state I have a sugar withdrawal headache and am trying to push through it, telling me to eat sugar isn't helping *me* reach *my*goals. In my real life no one picks apart my diet or tells me to eat the food items that I don't want to eat. If you're going to come on here and whine that you can't lose weight. and ask for opinions. I'm going to tell you what works for me. Period. Do with it what you will.
Why are people so judgmental that I don't want to eat a donuts or pizza and am still able to get fit and hit my macros?
No one cares whether you want to eat donuts or a pizza.0 -
*sigh*
Clean should even be a term used it's just eating as you see fit. Which does not agree with what you see fit to eat. I think IIFYM was a term invented by people who are trying to justify eating candy bars and ice cream if they want to.. but ya know.. to each their won. live and let live yadda yadda yadda
Why would anyone need to justify eating certain foods? I personally don't care what anyone else eats. I am curious about the thought process some people use when they include certain foods and exclude others, particularly when they are telling me what they think I should or should not eat based on their own views. Beyond that what someone else eats has no bearing on my life, and they don't need to justify anything to me. I don't understand why anyone would have to justify eating any type of food that they want to eat. Except for eating people, that one they're going to have some explaining to do.
I fully agree with you and IRL, we don't feel a need to justify our food choices to anyone. We've eaten a certain way for over 30 years. It works for us and that's all that matters. On the forums, it is a different game. If I say I eat clean, that one simple statement will throw a number of members on that thread into a tizzy. These member then go on to provoke. This happens over and over on the forums to anyone who says they eat clean. OP has been in this group that goes after the clean eaters and I suspect like others that this thread was started simply to get the clean eaters in an uproar, something that is against MFP forum policy.
And this happens over and over again in the forums when someone mentions IIFYM:As a clean eater, I do agree with your assessment of IIFYM or at least the way some here like to push their junk food on others.
IIFYM is not about junk food or encouraging people to eat junk food. I can understand your frustration about the clean eating threads, but the clean eating people also need to own the recurring mischaracterization of IIFYM that they perpetuate within the community.
If you feel another user is violating the forum policies, then use the report feature and let the mods decide. Repeatedly calling him out, derailing the thread, and creating/perpetuating drama are also against MFP forum policy, and from what I've seen the mods will give strikes to people on both sides.0 -
I personally don't eat Quest Bars because they are expensive but if i wasn't so cheap... i would.....
Now, if they are clean or not... I would say NO.. but like most people i think clean is a marketing term that health nuts made up to sell tofu and sunflower seeds.... for 20 Bucks a packet...
*sigh*
Clean should even be a term used it's just eating as you see fit. Which does not agree with what you see fit to eat. I think IIFYM was a term invented by people who are trying to justify eating candy bars and ice cream if they want to.. but ya know.. to each their won. live and let live yadda yadda yadda
Protein bars and powder are the biggest exception a lot of professed clean eaters make in their diet. My trainer even told me to eat clean, but supplement with powder as needed.
So it's whatever..
As a clean eater, I do agree with your assessment of IIFYM or at least the way some here like to push their junk food on others. I don't have a trainer on my goal towards better fitness. I would think not all trainers are created equal and would be leery of one pushing protein bars and powder if they are recommending you eat clean or know you eat clean.
I follow the "IIFYM" theory and I don't feel like I need to "justify" myself to anyone. I know plenty of people who do flexible dieting and they are shredded/in great shape. More so than some clean eaters. We are all working toward the same goal in the end. To be fit and look great! To build muscle, lean out, lose fat. Those things can be achieved with either clean eating or flexible dieting. So why do people care so much? Why are people judging me for being able to eat a donut, or pizza, and still be able to get fit and hit my Protein/Carb/Fat macros??
I was responding tongue in cheek to this post:Now, if they are clean or not... I would say NO.. but like most people i think clean is a marketing term that health nuts made up to sell tofu and sunflower seeds.... for 20 Bucks a packet...
I don't need to justify my eating habits.. and i don't go around telling people i'm a clean eater anywhere else. Online i am asked my diet. I eat what i want, but I am actively avoiding certain things. In the world of MFP my diet most resembles that of a clean diet. To me it's just eating. If I state I have a sugar withdrawal headache and am trying to push through it, telling me to eat sugar isn't helping *me* reach *my*goals. In my real life no one picks apart my diet or tells me to eat the food items that I don't want to eat. If you're going to come on here and whine that you can't lose weight. and ask for opinions. I'm going to tell you what works for me. Period. Do with it what you will.
Why are people so judgmental that I don't want to eat a donuts or pizza and am still able to get fit and hit my macros?
Nobody cares what you eat.
Even those asking advice on how to break a plateau don't care how you eat.
Edit: Jonny beat me to it.
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Simple really. When you eat sugars, or simple carbs (that your body converts to sugars) pancreas goes into hyperdrive
OK... stop right there. The pancreas simply produces insulin. It doesn't need to go into hyperdrive or anything. That's simple hyperbole. Protein has the same effect.to create insulin to process the resulting blood sugar spike to use it for energy. In turn, our body thinks we have lots of energy available and stops burning fat and storing it instead.
Insulin drives sugar and amino acids into the cells.This insulin surge will also cause too much blood sugar to be moved out of the blood.
If you have a normal insulin response (i.e. you are not diabetic) it causes the right amount of sugar to be removed from the blood. That's its job. If you are going hypoglycemic, you have a medical issue.once the surge is over, both the blood sugar and insulin levels drop below normal leaving you tired, hungry, and wanting to eat more.
Blood sugar levels drop to the low end of normal, if you have a normal insulin response. Not below normal.Thus starting the cycle of wanting to eat something else with sugar to get that spike again, then storing more fat, and never actually burning the fat you need to burn.
Overeating is definitely a problem if you are trying to lose weight. And foods high in simple carbohydrates are not very filling. So eat some protein and fat along with them.
Aaah the calm voice of reason.
Do you need an apprentice?0 -
yes, but once you open the wrapper they are no longer sterile, 5 second rule still applies here, eat fast0
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I personally don't eat Quest Bars because they are expensive but if i wasn't so cheap... i would.....
Now, if they are clean or not... I would say NO.. but like most people i think clean is a marketing term that health nuts made up to sell tofu and sunflower seeds.... for 20 Bucks a packet...
*sigh*
Clean should even be a term used it's just eating as you see fit. Which does not agree with what you see fit to eat. I think IIFYM was a term invented by people who are trying to justify eating candy bars and ice cream if they want to.. but ya know.. to each their won. live and let live yadda yadda yadda
Protein bars and powder are the biggest exception a lot of professed clean eaters make in their diet. My trainer even told me to eat clean, but supplement with powder as needed.
So it's whatever..
As a clean eater, I do agree with your assessment of IIFYM or at least the way some here like to push their junk food on others. I don't have a trainer on my goal towards better fitness. I would think not all trainers are created equal and would be leery of one pushing protein bars and powder if they are recommending you eat clean or know you eat clean.
I follow the "IIFYM" theory and I don't feel like I need to "justify" myself to anyone. I know plenty of people who do flexible dieting and they are shredded/in great shape. More so than some clean eaters. We are all working toward the same goal in the end. To be fit and look great! To build muscle, lean out, lose fat. Those things can be achieved with either clean eating or flexible dieting. So why do people care so much? Why are people judging me for being able to eat a donut, or pizza, and still be able to get fit and hit my Protein/Carb/Fat macros??
I was responding tongue in cheek to this post:Now, if they are clean or not... I would say NO.. but like most people i think clean is a marketing term that health nuts made up to sell tofu and sunflower seeds.... for 20 Bucks a packet...
I don't need to justify my eating habits.. and i don't go around telling people i'm a clean eater anywhere else. Online i am asked my diet. I eat what i want, but I am actively avoiding certain things. In the world of MFP my diet most resembles that of a clean diet. To me it's just eating. If I state I have a sugar withdrawal headache and am trying to push through it, telling me to eat sugar isn't helping *me* reach *my*goals. In my real life no one picks apart my diet or tells me to eat the food items that I don't want to eat. If you're going to come on here and whine that you can't lose weight. and ask for opinions. I'm going to tell you what works for me. Period. Do with it what you will.
Why are people so judgmental that I don't want to eat a donuts or pizza and am still able to get fit and hit my macros?
No one cares whether you want to eat donuts or a pizza.
Maybe no one cares, but enough people make negative comments and write nasty PMs. Are so many people really that ethnocentric and one track minded as far as diet is concerned ? Can the majority not imagine that there is more to the world diet than doughnuts, pizza and pop tarts ? I agree with a previous poster. Before I joined MFP INEVER was asked by anyone to defend my diet, but here people do......The question is; would they ask me to defend my diet if I were to eat like the average American ? My guess is that probably not....and IMO that really sucks.
I don't eat doughnuts, pizza, fast food and similar things. I do not not eat them, because I think they are awful and horrible, but because I grew up in a culture where those kinds of food were not part of the everyday diet. I also worked for the last 40 years in under developed countries where people for many reasons eat a more natural diet, because that is all they can afford ( usually it's a largish amount of carbs, like rice and some vegetables for the daily diet and a bit of meat or fish on special occasions ).
I am tired of people telling me to try a hamburger or a dozen of doughnuts ( because it would improve my sex life as one MFP member wrote me ), because I DON'T WANT TO.
I prefer a plate of cauliflower with cheese sauce any day over a doughnut, or a can of smoked oysters over a hamburger. I have never told anyone what they should eat ( unless someone specifically asked ) neither in the clean nor in the dirty department. Why are there so many people who just can't accept that there are people who just eat differently ? I am not saying better, just differently.....0 -
stay out of the forum and i dare say no one is going to make you defend your diet0
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stay out of the forum and i dare say no one is going to make you defend your diet
No one can make you defend your diet. They can question it or comment on it, but it's your choice whether you choose to defend it.0 -
stay out of the forum and i dare say no one is going to make you defend your diet
Wow, that's a really intelligent response......jejeje
Also, you need to improve your reading skills : I did not say that anyone " made me " defend my diet. That would be very difficult to do...... I said I was " asked to defend my diet ", which of course I don't do , because I eat what I like and what I am comfortable with .0 -
yes and you sound so much more sophisticated coming in here and whining to strangers on the internet
Oh, I apologize, I was not aware that this was an exclusive club and that you obviously know all members personally.
Having a bad day, I assume ?0 -
with 1000 post i would have thought you figured things out by now
why come to the battlefield and then ***** that you have to defend yourself0 -
Maybe no one cares, but enough people make negative comments and write nasty PMs. Are so many people really that ethnocentric and one track minded as far as diet is concerned ? Can the majority not imagine that there is more to the world diet than doughnuts, pizza and pop tarts ? I agree with a previous poster. Before I joined MFP INEVER was asked by anyone to defend my diet, but here people do......The question is; would they ask me to defend my diet if I were to eat like the average American ? My guess is that probably not....and IMO that really sucks.
I don't eat doughnuts, pizza, fast food and similar things. I do not not eat them, because I think they are awful and horrible, but because I grew up in a culture where those kinds of food were not part of the everyday diet. I also worked for the last 40 years in under developed countries where people for many reasons eat a more natural diet, because that is all they can afford ( usually it's a largish amount of carbs, like rice and some vegetables for the daily diet and a bit of meat or fish on special occasions ).
I am tired of people telling me to try a hamburger or a dozen of doughnuts ( because it would improve my sex life as one MFP member wrote me ), because I DON'T WANT TO.
I prefer a plate of cauliflower with cheese sauce any day over a doughnut, or a can of smoked oysters over a hamburger. I have never told anyone what they should eat ( unless someone specifically asked ) neither in the clean nor in the dirty department. Why are there so many people who just can't accept that there are people who just eat differently ? I am not saying better, just differently.....
Negative comments about what?
No one makes negative comments about eating broccoli or chicken breast or whatever.
Who is telling you to try donuts and pizza? Who cares if you prefer cauliflower to cheese?0 -
Maybe no one cares, but enough people make negative comments and write nasty PMs. Are so many people really that ethnocentric and one track minded as far as diet is concerned ? Can the majority not imagine that there is more to the world diet than doughnuts, pizza and pop tarts ? I agree with a previous poster. Before I joined MFP INEVER was asked by anyone to defend my diet, but here people do......The question is; would they ask me to defend my diet if I were to eat like the average American ? My guess is that probably not....and IMO that really sucks.
I don't eat doughnuts, pizza, fast food and similar things. I do not not eat them, because I think they are awful and horrible, but because I grew up in a culture where those kinds of food were not part of the everyday diet. I also worked for the last 40 years in under developed countries where people for many reasons eat a more natural diet, because that is all they can afford ( usually it's a largish amount of carbs, like rice and some vegetables for the daily diet and a bit of meat or fish on special occasions ).
I am tired of people telling me to try a hamburger or a dozen of doughnuts ( because it would improve my sex life as one MFP member wrote me ), because I DON'T WANT TO.
I prefer a plate of cauliflower with cheese sauce any day over a doughnut, or a can of smoked oysters over a hamburger. I have never told anyone what they should eat ( unless someone specifically asked ) neither in the clean nor in the dirty department. Why are there so many people who just can't accept that there are people who just eat differently ? I am not saying better, just differently.....
Negative comments about what?
No one makes negative comments about eating broccoli or chicken breast or whatever.
Who is telling you to try donuts and pizza? Who cares if you prefer cauliflower to cheese?
I m sorry, but I have no names of those people who make comments.
But you have been around almost 10 000 posts worth and you know ( even if you are now just in a pot-stirring mood and want to challenge me ) that there are people who are sarcastic in their comments, make jokes or generalize in the most simplest way ( as if eating different is all about broccoli and chicken breast, or is it that most people just cannot think of anything else when it comes to different from mainstream American food ? ).
I have already said in the first sentence of my post that I agree that no one really cares . My question still is, if no one ( which means all people here ) cares, why the ( often really stupid and uninformed) remarks ?0 -
I m sorry, but I have no names of those people who make comments.
But you have been around almost 10 000 posts worth and you know ( even if you are now just in a pot-stirring mood and want to challenge me ) that there are people who are sarcastic in their comments, make jokes or generalize in the most simplest way ( as if eating different is all about broccoli and chicken breast, or is it that most people just cannot think of anything else when it comes to different from mainstream American food ? ).
I have already said in the first sentence of my post that I agree that no one really cares . My question still is, if no one ( which means all people here ) cares, why the ( often really stupid and uninformed) remarks ?
It's tough to answer the question about "why the rude remarks" if you can't identify any of the remarks in question.
In 100% seriousness, the vast, vast majority of negative comments that are directed at specific foods are directed at either fast food or foods high in added sugar. I literally get comments every day on MFP saying that the foods I eat daily will give me cancer or make me otherwise unhealthy.
I occasionally see people making fun of "healthy substitutes" like cauliflower pizza but it's mostly in jest. I never see people make negative remarks about someone who simply prefers to eat whole foods.0 -
Maybe no one cares, but enough people make negative comments and write nasty PMs. Are so many people really that ethnocentric and one track minded as far as diet is concerned ? Can the majority not imagine that there is more to the world diet than doughnuts, pizza and pop tarts ? I agree with a previous poster. Before I joined MFP INEVER was asked by anyone to defend my diet, but here people do......The question is; would they ask me to defend my diet if I were to eat like the average American ? My guess is that probably not....and IMO that really sucks.
I don't eat doughnuts, pizza, fast food and similar things. I do not not eat them, because I think they are awful and horrible, but because I grew up in a culture where those kinds of food were not part of the everyday diet. I also worked for the last 40 years in under developed countries where people for many reasons eat a more natural diet, because that is all they can afford ( usually it's a largish amount of carbs, like rice and some vegetables for the daily diet and a bit of meat or fish on special occasions ).
I am tired of people telling me to try a hamburger or a dozen of doughnuts ( because it would improve my sex life as one MFP member wrote me ), because I DON'T WANT TO.
I prefer a plate of cauliflower with cheese sauce any day over a doughnut, or a can of smoked oysters over a hamburger. I have never told anyone what they should eat ( unless someone specifically asked ) neither in the clean nor in the dirty department. Why are there so many people who just can't accept that there are people who just eat differently ? I am not saying better, just differently.....
Well, I'd say whoever was sending you rude PM's doesn't quite get IIFYM. The point, as I see it at least, is not that you have to eat hamburgers and pizza, but that you can if you want them and they fit your goals. Eat foods YOU like (in moderation), but don't arbitrarily cut stuff out just because it isn't clean/whatever the fad of the day is.0 -
Maybe no one cares, but enough people make negative comments and write nasty PMs. Are so many people really that ethnocentric and one track minded as far as diet is concerned ? Can the majority not imagine that there is more to the world diet than doughnuts, pizza and pop tarts ? I agree with a previous poster. Before I joined MFP INEVER was asked by anyone to defend my diet, but here people do......The question is; would they ask me to defend my diet if I were to eat like the average American ? My guess is that probably not....and IMO that really sucks.
I don't eat doughnuts, pizza, fast food and similar things. I do not not eat them, because I think they are awful and horrible, but because I grew up in a culture where those kinds of food were not part of the everyday diet. I also worked for the last 40 years in under developed countries where people for many reasons eat a more natural diet, because that is all they can afford ( usually it's a largish amount of carbs, like rice and some vegetables for the daily diet and a bit of meat or fish on special occasions ).
I am tired of people telling me to try a hamburger or a dozen of doughnuts ( because it would improve my sex life as one MFP member wrote me ), because I DON'T WANT TO.
I prefer a plate of cauliflower with cheese sauce any day over a doughnut, or a can of smoked oysters over a hamburger. I have never told anyone what they should eat ( unless someone specifically asked ) neither in the clean nor in the dirty department. Why are there so many people who just can't accept that there are people who just eat differently ? I am not saying better, just differently.....
Negative comments about what?
No one makes negative comments about eating broccoli or chicken breast or whatever.
Who is telling you to try donuts and pizza? Who cares if you prefer cauliflower to cheese?
I m sorry, but I have no names of those people who make comments.
But you have been around almost 10 000 posts worth and you know ( even if you are now just in a pot-stirring mood and want to challenge me ) that there are people who are sarcastic in their comments, make jokes or generalize in the most simplest way ( as if eating different is all about broccoli and chicken breast, or is it that most people just cannot think of anything else when it comes to different from mainstream American food ? ).
I have already said in the first sentence of my post that I agree that no one really cares . My question still is, if no one ( which means all people here ) cares, why the ( often really stupid and uninformed) remarks ?
you are taking MFP threads way too serious and need to chill out...0 -
I personally don't eat Quest Bars because they are expensive but if i wasn't so cheap... i would.....
Now, if they are clean or not... I would say NO.. but like most people i think clean is a marketing term that health nuts made up to sell tofu and sunflower seeds.... for 20 Bucks a packet...
*sigh*
Clean should even be a term used it's just eating as you see fit. Which does not agree with what you see fit to eat. I think IIFYM was a term invented by people who are trying to justify eating candy bars and ice cream if they want to.. but ya know.. to each their won. live and let live yadda yadda yadda
Protein bars and powder are the biggest exception a lot of professed clean eaters make in their diet. My trainer even told me to eat clean, but supplement with powder as needed.
So it's whatever..
ETA: No i don't consider them clean. I do think it's just quest trying to showcase their bars as healthier then other bars. and attempting to appeal to people who are trying to get healthier.
fail.
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I m sorry, but I have no names of those people who make comments.
But you have been around almost 10 000 posts worth and you know ( even if you are now just in a pot-stirring mood and want to challenge me ) that there are people who are sarcastic in their comments, make jokes or generalize in the most simplest way ( as if eating different is all about broccoli and chicken breast, or is it that most people just cannot think of anything else when it comes to different from mainstream American food ? ).
I have already said in the first sentence of my post that I agree that no one really cares . My question still is, if no one ( which means all people here ) cares, why the ( often really stupid and uninformed) remarks ?you are taking MFP threads way too serious and need to chill out...
And this. Internet is srs business.0 -
Maybe no one cares, but enough people make negative comments and write nasty PMs. Are so many people really that ethnocentric and one track minded as far as diet is concerned ? Can the majority not imagine that there is more to the world diet than doughnuts, pizza and pop tarts ? I agree with a previous poster. Before I joined MFP INEVER was asked by anyone to defend my diet, but here people do......The question is; would they ask me to defend my diet if I were to eat like the average American ? My guess is that probably not....and IMO that really sucks.
I don't eat doughnuts, pizza, fast food and similar things. I do not not eat them, because I think they are awful and horrible, but because I grew up in a culture where those kinds of food were not part of the everyday diet. I also worked for the last 40 years in under developed countries where people for many reasons eat a more natural diet, because that is all they can afford ( usually it's a largish amount of carbs, like rice and some vegetables for the daily diet and a bit of meat or fish on special occasions ).
I am tired of people telling me to try a hamburger or a dozen of doughnuts ( because it would improve my sex life as one MFP member wrote me ), because I DON'T WANT TO.
I prefer a plate of cauliflower with cheese sauce any day over a doughnut, or a can of smoked oysters over a hamburger. I have never told anyone what they should eat ( unless someone specifically asked ) neither in the clean nor in the dirty department. Why are there so many people who just can't accept that there are people who just eat differently ? I am not saying better, just differently.....
Well, I'd say whoever was sending you rude PM's doesn't quite get IIFYM. The point, as I see it at least, is not that you have to eat hamburgers and pizza, but that you can if you want them and they fit your goals. Eat foods YOU like (in moderation), but don't arbitrarily cut stuff out just because it isn't clean/whatever the fad of the day is.
The point is.. "IIFYM" says "eat what you want in moderation and if you want a candy bar eat it" "clean" eater says "I don't want to eat the candy bar even though I'm craving it for whatever reason" - Commence ridiculousness from both "sides". And you can pull up just about any thread about clean eating and see it devolve into a bunch of people ripping apart clean eating.
If no one cares, then why the need to tear down someones diet? yea.. eat what I want in moderation.. well I *don't* want to eat the candy bar regardless of cravings, even if it fits. So what is the problem then??
Hmm, thinking farther into this..... Technically Clean Eaters follows IIFYM.. we just don't eat food we don't want to eat for whatever reason we see fit to not want to eat them Which is basically the same idea of eat what you want in moderation if it fits right??? Because IIFYM people do not eat what they do not want to eat for whatever reason they see fit to not want to eat them.
Ahhh.. look.. same diet comprised of different foods.. can there be MFP peace now??0 -
I personally don't eat Quest Bars because they are expensive but if i wasn't so cheap... i would.....
Now, if they are clean or not... I would say NO.. but like most people i think clean is a marketing term that health nuts made up to sell tofu and sunflower seeds.... for 20 Bucks a packet...
*sigh*
Clean should even be a term used it's just eating as you see fit. Which does not agree with what you see fit to eat. I think IIFYM was a term invented by people who are trying to justify eating candy bars and ice cream if they want to.. but ya know.. to each their won. live and let live yadda yadda yadda
Protein bars and powder are the biggest exception a lot of professed clean eaters make in their diet. My trainer even told me to eat clean, but supplement with powder as needed.
So it's whatever..
ETA: No i don't consider them clean. I do think it's just quest trying to showcase their bars as healthier then other bars. and attempting to appeal to people who are trying to get healthier.
fail.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCCDTJYUWsg
you are late to the party! I've already responded to this
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And you can pull up just about any thread about clean eating and see it devolve into a bunch of people ripping apart clean eating.
No.
The threads devolve into people ripping apart the claim that "clean" is in some way better. The threads fall apart when someone says that sugar is bad for you, or that fast food is bad for you.
No one rips apart eating clean food. People do, however, rip apart the silly claims people make about the superiority of clean eating.
There's a big difference.Technically Clean Eaters follows IIFYM.. we just don't eat food we don't want to eat for whatever reason we see fit to not want to eat them Which is basically the same idea of eat what you want in moderation if it fits right??? Because IIFYM people do not eat what they do not want to eat for whatever reason they see fit to not want to eat them.
Ahhh.. look.. same diet comprised of different foods.. can there be MFP peace now??
Some clean eaters do IIFYM, some don't. Some paleo eaters do IIFYM, some don't.0 -
you are late to the party! I've already responded to this
Not that I see anywhere?0 -
Maybe no one cares, but enough people make negative comments and write nasty PMs. Are so many people really that ethnocentric and one track minded as far as diet is concerned ? Can the majority not imagine that there is more to the world diet than doughnuts, pizza and pop tarts ? I agree with a previous poster. Before I joined MFP INEVER was asked by anyone to defend my diet, but here people do......The question is; would they ask me to defend my diet if I were to eat like the average American ? My guess is that probably not....and IMO that really sucks.
I don't eat doughnuts, pizza, fast food and similar things. I do not not eat them, because I think they are awful and horrible, but because I grew up in a culture where those kinds of food were not part of the everyday diet. I also worked for the last 40 years in under developed countries where people for many reasons eat a more natural diet, because that is all they can afford ( usually it's a largish amount of carbs, like rice and some vegetables for the daily diet and a bit of meat or fish on special occasions ).
I am tired of people telling me to try a hamburger or a dozen of doughnuts ( because it would improve my sex life as one MFP member wrote me ), because I DON'T WANT TO.
I prefer a plate of cauliflower with cheese sauce any day over a doughnut, or a can of smoked oysters over a hamburger. I have never told anyone what they should eat ( unless someone specifically asked ) neither in the clean nor in the dirty department. Why are there so many people who just can't accept that there are people who just eat differently ? I am not saying better, just differently.....
Well, I'd say whoever was sending you rude PM's doesn't quite get IIFYM. The point, as I see it at least, is not that you have to eat hamburgers and pizza, but that you can if you want them and they fit your goals. Eat foods YOU like (in moderation), but don't arbitrarily cut stuff out just because it isn't clean/whatever the fad of the day is.
The point is.. "IIFYM" says "eat what you want in moderation and if you want a candy bar eat it" "clean" eater says "I don't want to eat the candy bar even though I'm craving it for whatever reason" - Commence ridiculousness from both "sides". And you can pull up just about any thread about clean eating and see it devolve into a bunch of people ripping apart clean eating.
If no one cares, then why the need to tear down someones diet? yea.. eat what I want in moderation.. well I *don't* want to eat the candy bar regardless of cravings, even if it fits. So what is the problem then??
Hmm, thinking farther into this..... Technically Clean Eaters follows IIFYM.. we just don't eat food we don't want to eat for whatever reason we see fit to not want to eat them Which is basically the same idea of eat what you want in moderation if it fits right??? Because IIFYM people do not eat what they do not want to eat for whatever reason they see fit to not want to eat them.
Ahhh.. look.. same diet comprised of different foods.. can there be MFP peace now??
This has been pointed out before. Maybe not in this thread, but definitely in several others. There are also many IIFYM'ers that eat "clean" 80% of the time, which is the general rule of eating clean, right? There's a misconception that IIFYM don't eat fruits, vegetables, and lean meats.0 -
Isn't this thread supposed to be about Quest bars? I'm feelin' dirty, so maybe I'll bust open a coconut cashew Quest for the heck of it.0
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I m sorry, but I have no names of those people who make comments.
But you have been around almost 10 000 posts worth and you know ( even if you are now just in a pot-stirring mood and want to challenge me ) that there are people who are sarcastic in their comments, make jokes or generalize in the most simplest way ( as if eating different is all about broccoli and chicken breast, or is it that most people just cannot think of anything else when it comes to different from mainstream American food ? ).
I have already said in the first sentence of my post that I agree that no one really cares . My question still is, if no one ( which means all people here ) cares, why the ( often really stupid and uninformed) remarks ?
It's tough to answer the question about "why the rude remarks" if you can't identify any of the remarks in question.
In 100% seriousness, the vast, vast majority of negative comments that are directed at specific foods are directed at either fast food or foods high in added sugar. I literally get comments every day on MFP saying that the foods I eat daily will give me cancer or make me otherwise unhealthy.
I occasionally see people making fun of "healthy substitutes" like cauliflower pizza but it's mostly in jest. I never see people make negative remarks about someone who simply prefers to eat whole foods.
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there is that misconception. But it's because it comes across that way. When I first started here and was trying to clean up my diet I asked a question about how to get rid of the craving and eat better and was bombarded with people saying if it fits eat it, you don't need to cut anything out. No real explanation as to why or what they were talking about. All I wanted to do, was eat less crap and more healthy food and eat more overall while doing so. I said I do not want to eat that junk anymore and was asked what exactly is bad in it for me and why and whats the scientific proof of that. So now i just ignore all that. I know my body and what it needs and what I consider junk (which may not be what you do and that's fine) is not what i want to eat. I'm sure the flip side is true.
And to brosciecne. It was a tongue in cheek comment.
Clean eating isn't a diet either. It's just eating. I'm not watching a 30m long video.0 -
Whoever is running the Quest FB page came on 'about an hour ago', and replied to all posts on their page... except my request for their definition of clean.
Maybe they need to do some research?
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Clean eaters remind me of hardcore religious people, claiming they're way is the only true way, but often times dont have facts, but rather faith to back it up
clean eaters are the atheists, rely heavily on facts but are rather obnoxious and self righteous in theyre arguments as they sem to get just a little too much joy in trashing the opposing argument.
both groups can be very annoying.
ill just chill with the agnostics/ people who dont feel the need to allign with either clean or IIFYM cliques0 -
Clean eaters remind me of hardcore religious people, claiming they're way is the only true way, but often times dont have facts, but rather faith to back it up
clean eaters are the atheists, rely heavily on facts but are rather obnoxious and self righteous in theyre arguments as they sem to get just a little too much joy in trashing the opposing argument.
Wait what? :laugh:0 -
Clean eaters remind me of hardcore religious people, claiming they're way is the only true way, but often times dont have facts, but rather faith to back it up
clean eaters are the atheists, rely heavily on facts but are rather obnoxious and self righteous in theyre arguments as they sem to get just a little too much joy in trashing the opposing argument.
both groups can be very annoying.
ill just chill with the agnostics/ people who dont feel the need to allign with either clean or IIFYM cliques
Just exactly how much love was that brownie baked with?0
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