Why do people seem to bash "healthy"eating?
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I'm nowhere near a perfectly "clean" eater, but I try my best to eat a lot healthier than I used to. The junk food warrior's best excuse is "not sustainable". They'll trot that one out repeatedly to justify their daily chocolate/cake/cookies/ice cream, whatever. Believe it or not, none of that crap was part of my diet to begin with, even when I was putting on the weight. So why would I care to eat it now just to get this mythical "sustainable" diet?
If you never ate it, then that "crap" is not part of a sustainable diet for YOU. However, you might like to eat quinoa so much that you felt you really couldn't live without it (and I'm not saying you do--just an example). If you liked eating quinoa that much, do you really think you could sustain a diet that did not include it? Or would you crave quinoa and think about it every time you prepared a meal? Wouldn't you eventually fall off the quinoa wagon and maybe indulge to the point of a binge? On the other hand, quinoa is one of the nastiest substances on the face of the planet--"crap" in your parlance. I'm not going to eat another bite of it if I can possibly manage it. Obviously quinoa is not part of my sustainable diet. A sustainable diet is different for everyone, simple because we are not all clones of a single person and have our own personal tastes.0 -
I'm not sure why clean is such a threatening word to people when it's used by others to describe their own diets or how they try to make their choices. (I get it if someone is demeaning someone else's diet.) How clean I try to keep my diet is as relevant to my feelings about you and your diet as how clean I keep my house is.
Wait- If I can carry the clean argument over to housekeeping, life could get a lot easier. There's no one definition of a clean house, so it's meaningless to try to keep one. I can't make a lifestyle change, where I'll never ever have a messy house again, so why try. If I say I am trying to keep my house clean, others might get offended. This could work for me, I have a messy house and I hate to clean.
I found the post a little ambiguous, so I'm not sure if this was the intent, but both clean eaters and ethical vegans can be very healthy in body and mind. Food can reflect morality for a lot of different people. All of the major religions I think of off the top of my head have some form of food related restriction, teaching, or code attached.
+1 for the cleaning analogy from the person who's always been on the messy side and isn't able to keep things perfect for longer than a day. Do what works for you, don't worry about the judgements of others.0 -
I'm nowhere near a perfectly "clean" eater, but I try my best to eat a lot healthier than I used to. The junk food warrior's best excuse is "not sustainable". They'll trot that one out repeatedly to justify their daily chocolate/cake/cookies/ice cream, whatever. Believe it or not, none of that crap was part of my diet to begin with, even when I was putting on the weight. So why would I care to eat it now just to get this mythical "sustainable" diet?
And you're sure those items were not intended as a place holder / metaphor for whatever foods you used to enjoy, and ***insert restrictive eating plan here*** is now telling you to cut out altogether?0 -
So, you're not really the target audience of those kinds of posts. I don't think anyone is advocating that people should take up eating cookies and ice cream just for the sake of it. The idea is helping people to change habits in ways that are actually sustainable, which often means making small, gradual changes. It means starting with the way you already eat, and making the changes you need to make to reach your goals. It's not that chocolate/cake/cookies are "better" than other food, it's that a lot of people enjoy eating those things, and struggle to keep going on diets where they have to cut them out completely.I'm nowhere near a perfectly "clean" eater, but I try my best to eat a lot healthier than I used to. The junk food warrior's best excuse is "not sustainable". They'll trot that one out repeatedly to justify their daily chocolate/cake/cookies/ice cream, whatever. Believe it or not, none of that crap was part of my diet to begin with, even when I was putting on the weight. So why would I care to eat it now just to get this mythical "sustainable" diet?
I think there's also this common assumption that those who advocate eating all/any foods in moderation are spending their days in McDonalds, eating only fast food and cake. That those who advocate moderation don't care about nutrition at all. Most of the time, you'll find that there is actually a middle ground, where people can meet their nutritional needs and enjoy food (any food) that they enjoy without having to feel guilty about it.0 -
I definitely think most people are just trying to teach moderation. My personality leans toward the extreme and I used to get very upset if everything wasn't prepared fresh from home. It definitely set me up for failure because it's just unrealistic right now. I have alot of things to figure out which are all a drain on my time. Now I eat way more processed than I would like and I know I would feel much better if I could cut some of it out, but I am under my goals (most days), I workout 5-6 days a week, and the figuring it out part will happen naturally along the way. I am still learning to just let go and trust in this process. So in summary, I don't think people discourage eating well, just when it's taken to an extreme because its just not a realistic goal.0
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I've been going through lots of posts, and I see this very often: "It doesn't matter what you eat, losing weight is a matter of taking in fewer calories than you use" or "If it fits your macros, then all is fine". Isn't losing weight a part of getting healthy (or healthier) for most people? If that assumption is true (and after reading some of these posts, I'm not sure it is), then why does everyone say it is OK to eat all the processed foods that are in the American diet and has lead us, as a nation, to be the fattest industrialized nation on earth? And we know obesity contributes to diabetes, heart disease, stroke....not exactly what I would call healthy.
I'm not advocating not having a treat if you want it (this from someone who had some chocolate ice cream last night). But I don't see how eating fast foods and processed foods in the quantities offered out there can possibly be healthy. And so many people on MFP don't just say it is OK, but seem to encourage their consumption.
Just wondering.....
Well for whatever reason not everyone can switch to 'healthy' foods and not all 'bad' foods are actually bad. Reality is you need to fill your diet with what you will be eating for a lifetime. Not what you will eat until you reach X weight, which many people do and then gain it all plus some back. In other countries they eat 'bad' foods to the max, have you not looked at the recipes, the real ones from some of those places? (like French) they are in shape because they typically walk most places and they know portions and how much of the 'bad' they can have and fill up on the 'good'.
It is about learning what a portion is, how many calories and negatives are in something, like sodium levels, bad fats, what are positives in your calories like good fats and fiber. It means learning to be able to go anywhere and fix a plate and know what you are doing, not going and whining about how fattening or 'unhealthy' grandma Sue's foods are, or what everyone brought to the potluck!0 -
I'm nowhere near a perfectly "clean" eater, but I try my best to eat a lot healthier than I used to. The junk food warrior's best excuse is "not sustainable". They'll trot that one out repeatedly to justify their daily chocolate/cake/cookies/ice cream, whatever. Believe it or not, none of that crap was part of my diet to begin with, even when I was putting on the weight. So why would I care to eat it now just to get this mythical "sustainable" diet?
If you never ate it, then that "crap" is not part of a sustainable diet for YOU. However, you might like to eat quinoa so much that you felt you really couldn't live without it (and I'm not saying you do--just an example). If you liked eating quinoa that much, do you really think you could sustain a diet that did not include it? Or would you crave quinoa and think about it every time you prepared a meal? Wouldn't you eventually fall off the quinoa wagon and maybe indulge to the point of a binge? On the other hand, quinoa is one of the nastiest substances on the face of the planet--"crap" in your parlance. I'm not going to eat another bite of it if I can possibly manage it. Obviously quinoa is not part of my sustainable diet. A sustainable diet is different for everyone, simple because we are not all clones of a single person and have our own personal tastes.
^ Love this, works for everyone. I'm just starting to eat healthy, and most of the time it's great, I'm really happy with the foods I eat, but sometimes I just really want a burger, or a piece of cake - that's just my weakness, and that's okay.0 -
As far as 'clean' goes, in general I find the people that use the word can't even come up with a consistent and congruent description of what that means.
It seems to be a way of eating has it's basis in unnecessarily demonising other ways of eating.
Ciatations, please.I agree with this.
People are free to eat what they want, but some seem to not realize that obesity/weight gain is ONE side effect from unhealthy eating, but far from all.
If you don't care about your general health but merely want to look better, then sure, it's fine to eat junk in limited amounts and lose.
The reality is that the US as a nation is overfed and undernourished. The ready made bread contains so much gluten it is ruining people's digestive systems. When they tested the spices that come with noodles on rats, they found it kills brain cells. If people knew what they were actually eating, I'm sure a lot more would stop. Don't get me started on sugar.
Cancers, asthma, eczema, digestive problems, skin problems, fertility issues plus much more - this is diet related stuff.
As Jamie Oliver says in his TED talk - Americans have blessed their children with a shorter life span than themselves. I don't care if some want to kill themselves by eating crap, but when giving it to their children, it pisses me off.
(And yes I know this goes for other countries too, but the US is the far worst).
(Ones that link to decent studies, not sensationalist articles.
Also, Jamie Oliver was happy to get a high protein low fat product demonised and removed from a lot of food, using 'chemical' names to scare people, ignoring the same chemical has been used in foods like cheese for a long time.
It would seem he cared a lot more about publicity for himself (which he's done very well out) than the health of others.
I should note that yes, for some people 'clean' may still be the best way to live healthily.
But I can't help but feel that if said people took the time instead to learn how to select food to match their requirements without it, overall they'd save a lot of time/hassle!0 -
As far as 'clean' goes, in general I find the people that use the word can't even come up with a consistent and congruent description of what that means.
It seems to be a way of eating has it's basis in unnecessarily demonising other ways of eating.
Unless I tell you that your food is demonic and going to hell, why assume that me striving for a clean diet has anything to do with you? Clean in any context doesn't have a consistent and congruent standard. I promise that what passes as a clean house to me does not to many people. (If a clean eater or housekeeper, or a person with a "healthy or clean sex life" openly judges you, yes, I get it. But I'm not offended by what someone else defines as their healthy sex life.)
*To clarify, I don't identify as a clean eater, but my perfect ideal diet would be, so I may say I try to eat clean. This is about my goals as much as training for a marathon is about someone else's.0 -
In my experience, there is a big difference with the way you FEEL when you eat very lean, healthy, unprocessed foods. I don't think most people can do it because let's all face it, we are hooked on processed crap. It is just a reality. It's easier to eat nutrisystem processed crap, weight watchers crap, protein shakes, whatever other frozen crap, etc.
But try to take a 10-day stretch where you eat nothing but chicken, lean red meat, seafood, eggs, spinach, sweet potatoes, ezekiel bread, kashi go lean cereal, or other very lean, 'clean' foods like that.
I'm telling you, what a noticeable difference in the way you FEEL. Less sodium (means less water weight), more energy. Punch in a diet like that on myfitnesspal and watch how all of the vitamins are covered 100+%. Punch in a diet that contains processed crap and watch how little fiber and vitamins show up in your myfitnesspal.
Add 5oz of spinach to your diet daily and watch how many 100s of percent that adds to those vitamins. It is a lot healthier than a hot dog bun.
I don't think it's realistic to give up all junk food, but I do believe in going long stretches without it (as long as you can), eating like I mentioned above, and then giving yourself a break here and there to enjoy junk. After awhile you stop craving processed stuff anyway, but those cravings come back when you go too long without a meal or when a holiday comes up.
Yes you could work in pizza on a regular daily basis, but I don't think most people have the ability to control themselves, and something like pizza is way too high in calories. It's hard to eat only 1 slice of pizza. Heck, for me it's hard to eat less than 1 pizza lol.
I gave up even the protein shakes 2 yrs ago and felt so much better. It's more satisfying to eat your food than drink it anyway.0 -
No-one's knocking a healthy balanced diet.... key word there: balanced
- a balanced diet provides you with all the nutrients your body needs
- a balanced diet includes all the foods you want in sensible portion sizes
- a balanced diet allows you to achieve your fitness goals (e.g. fat loss, muscle gain, maintenance of a healthy body composition)
So, you can still eat McDonalds, chocolate, ice cream, whatever you fancy, as part of a healthy balanced diet.
furthermore:
- cutting out entire food groups is not healthy
- cutting out lots of foods you enjoy eating because you consider them "unclean" or whatever, is not conducive to long term success, and depending on what foods are demonised, may be extremely unhealthy (e.g. cutting out all fatty foods)
- beating yourself up because you ate (add demonised food here) is not healthy
- being in a cycle of excessive restriction and binge eating is not healthy
- cutting so many demonised foods out of your diet that you're at risk of malnutrition isn't healthy
- stressing over avoiding all foods that contain (add demonised ingredient here) is not healthy (note I said demonised ingredient, this doesn't include ingredients that actually make you ill because it's worth the stress of avoiding them)
- avoiding all social eating occasions because you're terrified of eating most of the kinds of foods that people eat at social occasions is not healthy
....etc etc etc ad orthorexia.....
Point is that what a lot of people consider to be healthy eating, actually isn't all that healthy. Healthy = balance, moderation, the happy medium....0 -
In my experience, there is a big difference with the way you FEEL when you eat very lean, healthy, unprocessed foods. I don't think most people can do it because let's all face it, we are hooked on processed crap. It is just a reality. It's easier to eat nutrisystem processed crap, weight watchers crap, protein shakes, whatever other frozen crap, etc.
But try to take a 10-day stretch where you eat nothing but chicken, lean red meat, seafood, eggs, spinach, sweet potatoes, ezekiel bread, kashi go lean cereal, or other very lean, 'clean' foods like that.
I'm telling you, what a noticeable difference in the way you FEEL. Less sodium (means less water weight), more energy. Punch in a diet like that on myfitnesspal and watch how all of the vitamins are covered 100+%. Punch in a diet that contains processed crap and watch how little fiber and vitamins show up in your myfitnesspal.
Add 5oz of spinach to your diet daily and watch how many 100s of percent that adds to those vitamins. It is a lot healthier than a hot dog bun.
I don't think it's realistic to give up all junk food, but I do believe in going long stretches without it (as long as you can), eating like I mentioned above, and then giving yourself a break here and there to enjoy junk. After awhile you stop craving processed stuff anyway, but those cravings come back when you go too long without a meal or when a holiday comes up.
Yes you could work in pizza on a regular daily basis, but I don't think most people have the ability to control themselves, and something like pizza is way too high in calories. It's hard to eat only 1 slice of pizza. Heck, for me it's hard to eat less than 1 pizza lol.
I gave up even the protein shakes 2 yrs ago and felt so much better. It's more satisfying to eat your food than drink it anyway.
So true. I was going through my vitamin stats and one week was just off the charts. It was the week I had salads for lunch. I couldn't believe it.0 -
In my experience, there is none.In my experience, there is a big difference with the way you FEEL when you eat very lean, healthy, unprocessed foods.
Could it be that you weren't getting the micronutrients your body needed at other times?
What, do you think, is the point of having more than "100%" of a vitamin?
Do you expect to get super-healthy+10 stats because you've had more than you need?
If this was the case, wouldn't they just set the level you need higher?
Unless I tell you NOT to eat clean foods, why assume that me questioning people that do has anything to do with you?Unless I tell you that your food is demonic and going to hell, why assume that me striving for a clean diet has anything to do with you? Clean in any context doesn't have a consistent and congruent standard. I promise that what passes as a clean house to me does not to many people. (If a clean eater or housekeeper, or a person with a "healthy or clean sex life" openly judges you, yes, I get it. But I'm not offended by what someone else defines as their healthy sex life.)
*To clarify, I don't identify as a clean eater, but my perfect ideal diet would be, so I may say I try to eat clean. This is about my goals as much as training for a marathon is about someone else's.
But go-on, I'll bite.
How would you define 'clean' as far as your perfect diet goes?
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I'm nowhere near a perfectly "clean" eater, but I try my best to eat a lot healthier than I used to. The junk food warrior's best excuse is "not sustainable". They'll trot that one out repeatedly to justify their daily chocolate/cake/cookies/ice cream, whatever. Believe it or not, none of that crap was part of my diet to begin with, even when I was putting on the weight. So why would I care to eat it now just to get this mythical "sustainable" diet?
If you never ate it, then that "crap" is not part of a sustainable diet for YOU. However, you might like to eat quinoa so much that you felt you really couldn't live without it (and I'm not saying you do--just an example). If you liked eating quinoa that much, do you really think you could sustain a diet that did not include it? Or would you crave quinoa and think about it every time you prepared a meal? Wouldn't you eventually fall off the quinoa wagon and maybe indulge to the point of a binge? On the other hand, quinoa is one of the nastiest substances on the face of the planet--"crap" in your parlance. I'm not going to eat another bite of it if I can possibly manage it. Obviously quinoa is not part of my sustainable diet. A sustainable diet is different for everyone, simple because we are not all clones of a single person and have our own personal tastes.
I've never in my life eaten quinoa. I only learned how to pronounce it a few days ago lol. That said, my main roadblocks when gaining weight were pizza and Coke. Now I could try to work those back in to my current diet, however I'd end up eating A piece of pizza and having A soda and half my calories for the day would be up in flames. An hour later it's carb-aliciousness will have been long gone and I will be one unhappy mofo. You can bet I'll be taking it out on someone. So for my sake, and for the sake of those around me, I think it best just to cut the crap.0 -
I'm nowhere near a perfectly "clean" eater, but I try my best to eat a lot healthier than I used to. The junk food warrior's best excuse is "not sustainable". They'll trot that one out repeatedly to justify their daily chocolate/cake/cookies/ice cream, whatever. Believe it or not, none of that crap was part of my diet to begin with, even when I was putting on the weight. So why would I care to eat it now just to get this mythical "sustainable" diet?
If you never ate it, then that "crap" is not part of a sustainable diet for YOU. However, you might like to eat quinoa so much that you felt you really couldn't live without it (and I'm not saying you do--just an example). If you liked eating quinoa that much, do you really think you could sustain a diet that did not include it? Or would you crave quinoa and think about it every time you prepared a meal? Wouldn't you eventually fall off the quinoa wagon and maybe indulge to the point of a binge? On the other hand, quinoa is one of the nastiest substances on the face of the planet--"crap" in your parlance. I'm not going to eat another bite of it if I can possibly manage it. Obviously quinoa is not part of my sustainable diet. A sustainable diet is different for everyone, simple because we are not all clones of a single person and have our own personal tastes.
I've never in my life eaten quinoa. I only learned how to pronounce it a few days ago lol. That said, my main roadblocks when gaining weight were pizza and Coke. Now I could try to work those back in to my current diet, however I'd end up eating A piece of pizza and having A soda and half my calories for the day would be up in flames. An hour later it's carb-aliciousness will have been long gone and I will be one unhappy mofo. You can bet I'll be taking it out on someone. So for my sake, and for the sake of those around me, I think it best just to cut the crap.
If half your calories are used up on 1 slice of pizza and a soda you might want to address your calorie goal. And why is pizza crap??0 -
No-one's knocking a healthy balanced diet.... key word there: balanced
- a balanced diet provides you with all the nutrients your body needs
- a balanced diet includes all the foods you want in sensible portion sizes
- a balanced diet allows you to achieve your fitness goals (e.g. fat loss, muscle gain, maintenance of a healthy body composition)
So, you can still eat McDonalds, chocolate, ice cream, whatever you fancy, as part of a healthy balanced diet.
furthermore:
- cutting out entire food groups is not healthy
- cutting out lots of foods you enjoy eating because you consider them "unclean" or whatever, is not conducive to long term success, and depending on what foods are demonised, may be extremely unhealthy (e.g. cutting out all fatty foods)
- beating yourself up because you ate (add demonised food here) is not healthy
- being in a cycle of excessive restriction and binge eating is not healthy
- cutting so many demonised foods out of your diet that you're at risk of malnutrition isn't healthy
- stressing over avoiding all foods that contain (add demonised ingredient here) is not healthy (note I said demonised ingredient, this doesn't include ingredients that actually make you ill because it's worth the stress of avoiding them)
- avoiding all social eating occasions because you're terrified of eating most of the kinds of foods that people eat at social occasions is not healthy
....etc etc etc ad orthorexia.....
Point is that what a lot of people consider to be healthy eating, actually isn't all that healthy. Healthy = balance, moderation, the happy medium....
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Unless I tell you NOT to eat clean foods, why assume that me questioning people that do has anything to do with you?
But go-on, I'll bite.
How would you define 'clean' as far as your perfect diet goes?
I don't assume that people questioning the clean definition has anything to do with me. Like I said, I'm not a clean eater. But you did say that clean diets seem to demonize other ways of eating. So it's valid to ask you why you say that. (Any lifestyle we choose is making a choice or judgment over some other way of doing things. That doesn't equate to demonization.)
I've put as much thought into the specifics of my perfect clean diet as I have my perfect clean house-not much. For the same reasons, I know I won't achieve it and I'm not stressed about it. So my off the cuff answer is that my perfectly clean diet would mean that each food choice was based on health benefit before pleasure, though pleasure would still be a part of the equation. (I loathe a few vegetables. They will never have their place in my diet, regardless of benefits, because I can get those benefits somewhere else.)0 -
Define 'Healthy eating', In reality any food can be good or bad for you. Too many Bananas can poison you for example. Too much water can be bad for you. That's why demonising food groups and types of food is a bit silly. Do I eat healthy? In reality I eat well enough to sustain my body and my exercise. I get a variety of foods from different sources with a balance of Vitamins, minerals etc and some of those sources include chocolate and other things.
The problem is not people bashing 'Healthy Eating' the problem is those thing there is a specific thing that is Healthy eating.0 -
I'm nowhere near a perfectly "clean" eater, but I try my best to eat a lot healthier than I used to. The junk food warrior's best excuse is "not sustainable". They'll trot that one out repeatedly to justify their daily chocolate/cake/cookies/ice cream, whatever. Believe it or not, none of that crap was part of my diet to begin with, even when I was putting on the weight. So why would I care to eat it now just to get this mythical "sustainable" diet?
If you never ate it, then that "crap" is not part of a sustainable diet for YOU. However, you might like to eat quinoa so much that you felt you really couldn't live without it (and I'm not saying you do--just an example). If you liked eating quinoa that much, do you really think you could sustain a diet that did not include it? Or would you crave quinoa and think about it every time you prepared a meal? Wouldn't you eventually fall off the quinoa wagon and maybe indulge to the point of a binge? On the other hand, quinoa is one of the nastiest substances on the face of the planet--"crap" in your parlance. I'm not going to eat another bite of it if I can possibly manage it. Obviously quinoa is not part of my sustainable diet. A sustainable diet is different for everyone, simple because we are not all clones of a single person and have our own personal tastes.
I've never in my life eaten quinoa. I only learned how to pronounce it a few days ago lol. That said, my main roadblocks when gaining weight were pizza and Coke. Now I could try to work those back in to my current diet, however I'd end up eating A piece of pizza and having A soda and half my calories for the day would be up in flames. An hour later it's carb-aliciousness will have been long gone and I will be one unhappy mofo. You can bet I'll be taking it out on someone. So for my sake, and for the sake of those around me, I think it best just to cut the crap.
See, I could like you a lot more if you'd just take off the judgey-pants. I only used quinoa as an example because of how much I loathe the stuff. I love the commercial they show during football games, with the tailgater who thinks it's pronounced "queen-oh." Makes me laugh every time.
But hey, your cutting out pizza works for you. It wouldn't work for everyone. I'm starting to cut back on carbs now that I am getting the hang of this MFP thing, but you had better believe that I'll be eating every single gram I'm allowed and pizza will occasionally be part of them. That way I won't go off the deep end next time I'm offered a slice and have no graceful way of backing out and maybe have a second or a third . . . The idea for us all is to eat healthier by controlling what we eat--it's just that the control takes different forms.0 -
I'm nowhere near a perfectly "clean" eater, but I try my best to eat a lot healthier than I used to. The junk food warrior's best excuse is "not sustainable". They'll trot that one out repeatedly to justify their daily chocolate/cake/cookies/ice cream, whatever. Believe it or not, none of that crap was part of my diet to begin with, even when I was putting on the weight. So why would I care to eat it now just to get this mythical "sustainable" diet?
I think you need to re-read some of the posts from the so-called "junk food warriors" and see what they actually said, not what you wanted to believe they said. I've never seen anyone on here encourage someone to eat "junk food" to have a sustainable diet; I have however seen people encourage others to choose a diet that fits their lifestyle and will be sustainable for them. So if someone says they enjoy things like pizza, burgers, chocolate, cake, or whatever, they give them ideas on how to include those things in their diet, not shame them for liking certain foods or wanting to eat them.
Also, believe it or not, no one has to justify the way they eat to you or anyone else. You gained weight despite not eating any of that "crap" by your own admission, so you are living proof that it isn't the "crap" that makes you fat. I've seen you trot these statements out about how you eat in posts before, and if anyone is trying to justify something, it's you trying to justify your weight gain and the health implications of that by trying to make other people out to be somehow "worse" because they eat "crap." No one's weight or food choices have anything to do with anyone else.0 -
People bash "bad eating" and "healthy eating" alike.
Both get bashed.
People will always try to push what worked for them on others.
It will never stop. Ever.
-exits thread-
Also "bad eating" and "healthy eating" are very subjective in nature...personal bias plays a large role in what defines good or bad, as does education or lack of! A lot of people were unaware (and still are) of what even a macro is.
Derp is still dominant when it comes to nutrition and pseudoscience reigns supreme in the minds of many.0 -
I'm nowhere near a perfectly "clean" eater, but I try my best to eat a lot healthier than I used to. The junk food warrior's best excuse is "not sustainable". They'll trot that one out repeatedly to justify their daily chocolate/cake/cookies/ice cream, whatever. Believe it or not, none of that crap was part of my diet to begin with, even when I was putting on the weight. So why would I care to eat it now just to get this mythical "sustainable" diet?
If you never ate it, then that "crap" is not part of a sustainable diet for YOU. However, you might like to eat quinoa so much that you felt you really couldn't live without it (and I'm not saying you do--just an example). If you liked eating quinoa that much, do you really think you could sustain a diet that did not include it? Or would you crave quinoa and think about it every time you prepared a meal? Wouldn't you eventually fall off the quinoa wagon and maybe indulge to the point of a binge? On the other hand, quinoa is one of the nastiest substances on the face of the planet--"crap" in your parlance. I'm not going to eat another bite of it if I can possibly manage it. Obviously quinoa is not part of my sustainable diet. A sustainable diet is different for everyone, simple because we are not all clones of a single person and have our own personal tastes.
I've never in my life eaten quinoa. I only learned how to pronounce it a few days ago lol. That said, my main roadblocks when gaining weight were pizza and Coke. Now I could try to work those back in to my current diet, however I'd end up eating A piece of pizza and having A soda and half my calories for the day would be up in flames. An hour later it's carb-aliciousness will have been long gone and I will be one unhappy mofo. You can bet I'll be taking it out on someone. So for my sake, and for the sake of those around me, I think it best just to cut the crap.
If half your calories are used up on 1 slice of pizza and a soda you might want to address your calorie goal. And why is pizza crap??
Why is pizza crap? If you're going to quote my post, you should take the time to read it. I'd appreciate it immensely, thanks. Pizza is crap. It's declicious, carb-y, awesome crap. And when the sugar rush runs off and leaves an hour after eating it and I'm still starving but now several hundred calories later, that's decidedly not good.0 -
i'm bothered by the terminology. what exactly is the definition of "healthy food"?
i'm bothered by the mindset. why do some people feel the need to categorize foods such that some are ok and others are not?
i'm bothered by untruths being perpetuated. all food is healthy. anything your body can derive energy and nutrients from that doesn't make you sick (e.g. black licorice) is by definition, "healthy food".
ultimately though, what you choose to do is your business.
just remember, some people on here, as in life, are jerks. but most aren't. when people get into these arguments on here, most of the time they are doing so because they want to help people wade through the BS that is pervasive from Dr. Oz, magazines, and the fad diet industry. one of the biggest reasons people fail is because they try to adhere to some sort of deprivation diet where they avoid certain foods, only to find out that this is not sustainable in the long run (for most people). that leads to binging and feelings of shame and guilt. this is NOT a good way to try and change your lifestyle. that's why most people chime in and say "don't exclude any foods that you like, just eat smaller portions less often".0 -
Why is pizza crap? If you're going to quote my post, you should take the time to read it. I'd appreciate it immensely, thanks. Pizza is crap. It's declicious, carb-y, awesome crap. And when the sugar rush runs off and leaves an hour after eating it and I'm still starving but now several hundred calories later, that's decidedly not good.
But why is it "crap?" (There are those pants again.) You toss the word around but we never get an operational definition. Just saying that you're still hungry after consuming the calories doesn't make it "crap." It simply makes the pizza "unsatisfying." Would you care to elaborate?0 -
I'm nowhere near a perfectly "clean" eater, but I try my best to eat a lot healthier than I used to. The junk food warrior's best excuse is "not sustainable". They'll trot that one out repeatedly to justify their daily chocolate/cake/cookies/ice cream, whatever. Believe it or not, none of that crap was part of my diet to begin with, even when I was putting on the weight. So why would I care to eat it now just to get this mythical "sustainable" diet?
If you never ate it, then that "crap" is not part of a sustainable diet for YOU. However, you might like to eat quinoa so much that you felt you really couldn't live without it (and I'm not saying you do--just an example). If you liked eating quinoa that much, do you really think you could sustain a diet that did not include it? Or would you crave quinoa and think about it every time you prepared a meal? Wouldn't you eventually fall off the quinoa wagon and maybe indulge to the point of a binge? On the other hand, quinoa is one of the nastiest substances on the face of the planet--"crap" in your parlance. I'm not going to eat another bite of it if I can possibly manage it. Obviously quinoa is not part of my sustainable diet. A sustainable diet is different for everyone, simple because we are not all clones of a single person and have our own personal tastes.
I've never in my life eaten quinoa. I only learned how to pronounce it a few days ago lol. That said, my main roadblocks when gaining weight were pizza and Coke. Now I could try to work those back in to my current diet, however I'd end up eating A piece of pizza and having A soda and half my calories for the day would be up in flames. An hour later it's carb-aliciousness will have been long gone and I will be one unhappy mofo. You can bet I'll be taking it out on someone. So for my sake, and for the sake of those around me, I think it best just to cut the crap.
If half your calories are used up on 1 slice of pizza and a soda you might want to address your calorie goal. And why is pizza crap??
Why is pizza crap? If you're going to quote my post, you should take the time to read it. I'd appreciate it immensely, thanks. Pizza is crap. It's declicious, carb-y, awesome crap. And when the sugar rush runs off and leaves an hour after eating it and I'm still starving but now several hundred calories later, that's decidedly not good.
That's why you set a reasonable calorie goal so you can have two slices of pizza and water. Then, fill the rest of your day with nutrient dense foods that aid you in hitting your micro/macro targets, thus maintaining your health.
I don't think I've ever eaten crap. Let alone crap pizza.0 -
I'm nowhere near a perfectly "clean" eater, but I try my best to eat a lot healthier than I used to. The junk food warrior's best excuse is "not sustainable". They'll trot that one out repeatedly to justify their daily chocolate/cake/cookies/ice cream, whatever. Believe it or not, none of that crap was part of my diet to begin with, even when I was putting on the weight. So why would I care to eat it now just to get this mythical "sustainable" diet?
If you never ate it, then that "crap" is not part of a sustainable diet for YOU. However, you might like to eat quinoa so much that you felt you really couldn't live without it (and I'm not saying you do--just an example). If you liked eating quinoa that much, do you really think you could sustain a diet that did not include it? Or would you crave quinoa and think about it every time you prepared a meal? Wouldn't you eventually fall off the quinoa wagon and maybe indulge to the point of a binge? On the other hand, quinoa is one of the nastiest substances on the face of the planet--"crap" in your parlance. I'm not going to eat another bite of it if I can possibly manage it. Obviously quinoa is not part of my sustainable diet. A sustainable diet is different for everyone, simple because we are not all clones of a single person and have our own personal tastes.
I've never in my life eaten quinoa. I only learned how to pronounce it a few days ago lol. That said, my main roadblocks when gaining weight were pizza and Coke. Now I could try to work those back in to my current diet, however I'd end up eating A piece of pizza and having A soda and half my calories for the day would be up in flames. An hour later it's carb-aliciousness will have been long gone and I will be one unhappy mofo. You can bet I'll be taking it out on someone. So for my sake, and for the sake of those around me, I think it best just to cut the crap.
Trigger foods sometimes have to go. Especially when you're not really craving it per se, but you wind up having thousands of calories of it and other foods when you do consume it0 -
In answer to the op's question:
Some people on MFP who bash perceived (by them by the way) healthier choices of eating are a bit narrow minded and believe that the only way of losing weight is the way that worked for them.
Also with some members their focus is on weight loss (or gain/maintenance) and not particularly that focused on overall health IMO.
I'm afraid it will never change, a lot of people like to give advice as opposed to help people have weight loss success in their own way.0 -
I'm nowhere near a perfectly "clean" eater, but I try my best to eat a lot healthier than I used to. The junk food warrior's best excuse is "not sustainable". They'll trot that one out repeatedly to justify their daily chocolate/cake/cookies/ice cream, whatever. Believe it or not, none of that crap was part of my diet to begin with, even when I was putting on the weight. So why would I care to eat it now just to get this mythical "sustainable" diet?
If you never ate it, then that "crap" is not part of a sustainable diet for YOU. However, you might like to eat quinoa so much that you felt you really couldn't live without it (and I'm not saying you do--just an example). If you liked eating quinoa that much, do you really think you could sustain a diet that did not include it? Or would you crave quinoa and think about it every time you prepared a meal? Wouldn't you eventually fall off the quinoa wagon and maybe indulge to the point of a binge? On the other hand, quinoa is one of the nastiest substances on the face of the planet--"crap" in your parlance. I'm not going to eat another bite of it if I can possibly manage it. Obviously quinoa is not part of my sustainable diet. A sustainable diet is different for everyone, simple because we are not all clones of a single person and have our own personal tastes.
I've never in my life eaten quinoa. I only learned how to pronounce it a few days ago lol. That said, my main roadblocks when gaining weight were pizza and Coke. Now I could try to work those back in to my current diet, however I'd end up eating A piece of pizza and having A soda and half my calories for the day would be up in flames. An hour later it's carb-aliciousness will have been long gone and I will be one unhappy mofo. You can bet I'll be taking it out on someone. So for my sake, and for the sake of those around me, I think it best just to cut the crap.
If half your calories are used up on 1 slice of pizza and a soda you might want to address your calorie goal. And why is pizza crap??
Why is pizza crap? If you're going to quote my post, you should take the time to read it. I'd appreciate it immensely, thanks. Pizza is crap. It's declicious, carb-y, awesome crap. And when the sugar rush runs off and leaves an hour after eating it and I'm still starving but now several hundred calories later, that's decidedly not good.
I read as far as pizza is crap (which you didn't answer what exactly makes it crap) pizza is delicious, has some great nutrients and can be a very nice part of a well balanced diet... and when I read the bs that 1 slice of pizza is half of the calories. Did I tell you to run off and eat pizza .. nope you aren't ready to understand moderation, but for any of the people lurking the forums I felt the need to call you out on describing it as crap.
I make a wonderful homemade pizza comes in just under 300 calories a slice, with lots of veggies is that still crap?0 -
No one bashes healthy eating. They just define it differently than you do. The definitions looks so different because some define based on science, and others on information they get from documentaries, and daytime television, and the like.0
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I'm nowhere near a perfectly "clean" eater, but I try my best to eat a lot healthier than I used to. The junk food warrior's best excuse is "not sustainable". They'll trot that one out repeatedly to justify their daily chocolate/cake/cookies/ice cream, whatever. Believe it or not, none of that crap was part of my diet to begin with, even when I was putting on the weight. So why would I care to eat it now just to get this mythical "sustainable" diet?
that's a huge logic failure on your part, but i'll bite...
people aren't saying you have to eat anything you don't want to eat.
they are saying you don't have to exclude anything you do want to eat.
logically, those are not the same things at all.0
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