Why do people seem to bash "healthy"eating?
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I am pretty sure neither have I, but now I have to go over my food diary to be sure.I don't think I've ever eaten crap.
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Some people on MFP who bash perceived (by them by the way) healthier choices of eating are a bit narrow minded and believe that the only way of losing weight is the way that worked for them.
Also with some members their focus is on weight loss (or gain/maintenance) and not particularly that focused on overall health IMO.
I'm afraid it will never change, a lot of people like to give advice as opposed to help people have weight loss success in their own way.
Or . . . maybe . . . we just don't like people putting us in their restrictive little boxes and calling the food we eat "crap."
Also, I never understood the whole "trigger food" idea. Isn't a "trigger" food simply one you haven't learned to moderate yet? Sure, it can "go," but what happens when you're exposed to it in the real world when people don't know (or care) that it "triggers" you?0 -
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a lot of people like to give advice as opposed to help people have weight loss success in their own way.
Giving advice is helping, therefore what is your point? No one is forcing them to take said advice.
When I ask a question, I am more satisfied getting a range of answers and not everyone patting me on the back and saying, "Nope, looks good.". Especially if that happens to be a way that is dangerous, unsustainable, etc
Welcome to the real world, where people of varied opinion, background congregate. If you didn't want that, perhaps a personal diary is better place for said musings.0 -
Obviously they order the pewp pizza from Scat's Pizza palace.
Why is pizza crap? If you're going to quote my post, you should take the time to read it. I'd appreciate it immensely, thanks. Pizza is crap. It's declicious, carb-y, awesome crap. And when the sugar rush runs off and leaves an hour after eating it and I'm still starving but now several hundred calories later, that's decidedly not good.
But why is it "crap?"(There are those pants again.) You toss the word around but we never get an operational definition. Just saying that you're still hungry after consuming the calories doesn't make it "crap." It simply makes the pizza "unsatisfying." Would you care to elaborate?
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In answer to the op's question:
Some people on MFP who bash perceived (by them by the way) healthier choices of eating are a bit narrow minded and believe that the only way of losing weight is the way that worked for them.
Also with some members their focus is on weight loss (or gain/maintenance) and not particularly that focused on overall health IMO.
I'm afraid it will never change, a lot of people like to give advice as opposed to help people have weight loss success in their own way.
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I think, generally, for people with 50+ pounds to lose it can be extremely daunting to come across posts that say 'only 5 ingredients per box' or other obsessively-healthy diet plans. IMO, it gives the impression that the only way to lose weight is by eating celery and carrot sticks (think about it, when you were new and had no idea about how to lose weight, this could easily become a misconception). For that reason, I think that people preach moderation a lot harder, and advocate unhealthy foods under the calorie in, calorie out mantra. It makes people with a long way to go have some hope; they can still eat all of their favorite snacks that they over-indulged in. I mean, telling someone who goes through a drive through everyday and has months of weight loss to go through that they have to eat clean? Very discouraging and probably not going to happen for any prolonged amount of time. It's too extreme to switch to after eating a diet of mostly junk, or just a basic American diet (but in larger quantities). More chances of that person eating their reduced calories in junk, losing a few pounds, getting very encouraged and THEN incorporating healthy choices into the mix. I really don't think the people that post this stuff are of the belief that eating 1,500 calories (or w/e) per day of ice cream daily (and other 'junk' foods) is an okay or healthy thing to do for your body in the long term. I just know that if I had read that I need to eat clean when I first started my weight loss, it probably wouldn't have ever stuck. I would hate to write that people must eat that way to lose weight and have someone read that, take it to heart, and feel helpless to lose weight. Much easier to read 'eat 1,500 calories, this can include poptarts, soda, whatever you want, as long as it's under or at 1,500 calories!" If they're like me, they'll eat their calories in all junk and be starving from the lack of nutritional value, and start throwing some vegetables at it anyway for bulk. :P0
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People tend to bash things that they don't fully understand. You can lose weight eating only donuts. But is that the best way? It is if it works for you. I happen to put more value in how food makes me feel, which also happens to be food that makes me healthier and leaner. Eating processed food doesn't work for most people. You can try to defend it. Yes, it may work for some, but most will overeat when eating processed food. If what you're doing isn't working, try something else. Wasting energy defending one path isn't helping anyone else.0
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I think, generally, for people with 50+ pounds to lose it can be extremely daunting to come across posts that say 'only 5 ingredients per box' or other obsessively-healthy diet plans. IMO, it gives the impression that the only way to lose weight is by eating celery and carrot sticks (think about it, when you were new and had no idea about how to lose weight, this could easily become a misconception). For that reason, I think that people preach moderation a lot harder, and advocate unhealthy foods under the calorie in, calorie out mantra. It makes people with a long way to go have some hope; they can still eat all of their favorite snacks that they over-indulged in. I mean, telling someone who goes through a drive through everyday and has months of weight loss to go through that they have to eat clean? Very discouraging and probably not going to happen for any prolonged amount of time. It's too extreme to switch to after eating a diet of mostly junk, or just a basic American diet (but in larger quantities). More chances of that person eating their reduced calories in junk, losing a few pounds, getting very encouraged and THEN incorporating healthy choices into the mix. I really don't think the people that post this stuff are of the belief that eating 1,500 calories (or w/e) per day of ice cream daily (and other 'junk' foods) is an okay or healthy thing to do for your body in the long term. I just know that if I had read that I need to eat clean when I first started my weight loss, it probably wouldn't have ever stuck. I would hate to write that people must eat that way to lose weight and have someone read that, take it to heart, and feel helpless to lose weight. Much easier to read 'eat 1,500 calories, this can include poptarts, soda, whatever you want, as long as it's under or at 1,500 calories!"
So is food "junk" because it tastes good? Or is it "junk" because you don't like it?0 -
In answer to the op's question:
Some people on MFP who bash perceived (by them by the way) healthier choices of eating are a bit narrow minded and believe that the only way of losing weight is the way that worked for them.
Also with some members their focus is on weight loss (or gain/maintenance) and not particularly that focused on overall health IMO.
I'm afraid it will never change, a lot of people like to give advice as opposed to help people have weight loss success in their own way.
And maybe some of us give our suggestions based on the mistakes we've already made so that sparing them from falling into the same issues.
Most of us have been on diets before, but to truly make a change you need to learn. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I've even learned 1 or 2 things from you... mostly not what to do, but without the mistakes and different experiences in dealing with them how do you advance more.0 -
In answer to the op's question:
Some people on MFP who bash perceived (by them by the way) healthier choices of eating are a bit narrow minded and believe that the only way of losing weight is the way that worked for them.
Also with some members their focus is on weight loss (or gain/maintenance) and not particularly that focused on overall health IMO.
I'm afraid it will never change, a lot of people like to give advice as opposed to help people have weight loss success in their own way.
Or . . . maybe . . . we just don't like people putting us in their restrictive little boxes and calling the food we eat "crap."
Also, I never understood the whole "trigger food" idea. Isn't a "trigger" food simply one you haven't learned to moderate yet? Sure, it can "go," but what happens when you're exposed to it in the real world when people don't know (or care) that it "triggers" you?
Who's calling your food crap.
Junk good has it's place for most people (in moderation obviously)!0 -
I think, generally, for people with 50+ pounds to lose it can be extremely daunting to come across posts that say 'only 5 ingredients per box' or other obsessively-healthy diet plans. IMO, it gives the impression that the only way to lose weight is by eating celery and carrot sticks (think about it, when you were new and had no idea about how to lose weight, this could easily become a misconception). For that reason, I think that people preach moderation a lot harder, and advocate unhealthy foods under the calorie in, calorie out mantra. It makes people with a long way to go have some hope; they can still eat all of their favorite snacks that they over-indulged in. I mean, telling someone who goes through a drive through everyday and has months of weight loss to go through that they have to eat clean? Very discouraging and probably not going to happen for any prolonged amount of time. It's too extreme to switch to after eating a diet of mostly junk, or just a basic American diet (but in larger quantities). More chances of that person eating their reduced calories in junk, losing a few pounds, getting very encouraged and THEN incorporating healthy choices into the mix. I really don't think the people that post this stuff are of the belief that eating 1,500 calories (or w/e) per day of ice cream daily (and other 'junk' foods) is an okay or healthy thing to do for your body in the long term. I just know that if I had read that I need to eat clean when I first started my weight loss, it probably wouldn't have ever stuck. I would hate to write that people must eat that way to lose weight and have someone read that, take it to heart, and feel helpless to lose weight. Much easier to read 'eat 1,500 calories, this can include poptarts, soda, whatever you want, as long as it's under or at 1,500 calories!"
So is food "junk" because it tastes good? Or is it "junk" because you don't like it?
I think that you completely misunderstood the tone and meaning of my post. Where did I give the indication that I don't like junk food? Where did I give the indication that stereotypically healthy foods taste bad? I'm calling it junk for the sake of fluidity and easy understanding.0 -
In answer to the op's question:
Some people on MFP who bash perceived (by them by the way) healthier choices of eating are a bit narrow minded and believe that the only way of losing weight is the way that worked for them.
Also with some members their focus is on weight loss (or gain/maintenance) and not particularly that focused on overall health IMO.
I'm afraid it will never change, a lot of people like to give advice as opposed to help people have weight loss success in their own way.
Or . . . maybe . . . we just don't like people putting us in their restrictive little boxes and calling the food we eat "crap."
Also, I never understood the whole "trigger food" idea. Isn't a "trigger" food simply one you haven't learned to moderate yet? Sure, it can "go," but what happens when you're exposed to it in the real world when people don't know (or care) that it "triggers" you?
Who's calling your food crap.
Junk good has it's place for most people (in moderation obviously)!
Mr. Judgey-pants Pizza Guy, for one. And there you go . . . "junk," "crap," it's all the same. Just more ways of injecting moral superiority into eating. 0 -
Most people correlate eating "healthy" as dropping out any processed or junk food. There really isn't any "bad" food. There's food that's not nutrient dense, but calorie dense. For most trying to lose weight, the first shift they try to do is abstain from eating anything processed. Not a bad idea, but many take it to the extreme which is why failure rate is high.
If one is getting the micronutrients they need, and eating the correct ratio of macronutrients for themselves and staying within calorie limits, whether they got it from whole or processed foods really shouldn't matter.
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In answer to the op's question:
Some people on MFP who bash perceived (by them by the way) healthier choices of eating are a bit narrow minded and believe that the only way of losing weight is the way that worked for them.
Also with some members their focus is on weight loss (or gain/maintenance) and not particularly that focused on overall health IMO.
I'm afraid it will never change, a lot of people like to give advice as opposed to help people have weight loss success in their own way.
And maybe some of us give our suggestions based on the mistakes we've already made so that sparing them from falling into the same issues.
Most of us have been on diets before, but to truly make a change you need to learn. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I've even learned 1 or 2 things from you... mostly not what to do, but without the mistakes and different experiences in dealing with them how do you advance more.
Sadly some people are of the mindset that if something doesn't work for them then it must be fact that it will not work for the other 7 billion people on this planet
The more enlighten members will pass on their experiences of what worked for them and what didn't bit don't pass it off as gospel that it will be the same for everyone.
I've made the mistakes of calorie counting and continuing to eat all the junk food in moderation and it didn't work for me - I know though that it will work for others - which is why I don't jump onto IIFYM threads trying to recruit people to LCHF.0 -
I think that you completely misunderstood the tone and meaning of my post. Where did I give the indication that I don't like junk food? Where did I give the indication that stereotypically healthy foods taste bad? I'm calling it junk for the sake of fluidity and easy understanding.
Sure, because there's no stigma attached to the word "junk" at all. It's just for fluidity's sake . . . *cough*0 -
I think that you completely misunderstood the tone and meaning of my post. Where did I give the indication that I don't like junk food? Where did I give the indication that stereotypically healthy foods taste bad? I'm calling it junk for the sake of fluidity and easy understanding.
Sure, because there's no stigma attached to the word "junk" at all. It's just for fluidity's sake . . . *cough*
Uh, okay, so what politically correct word would you like us to use in its place? Food lacking sufficient nutritional value to make it a prime choice, but it tastes really really good so you can still eat it as long as its in moderation? Seems like a mouthful.0 -
I think that you completely misunderstood the tone and meaning of my post. Where did I give the indication that I don't like junk food? Where did I give the indication that stereotypically healthy foods taste bad? I'm calling it junk for the sake of fluidity and easy understanding.
You're one step away from becoming a serious food shamer. Watch it, pal.0 -
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I think that you completely misunderstood the tone and meaning of my post. Where did I give the indication that I don't like junk food? Where did I give the indication that stereotypically healthy foods taste bad? I'm calling it junk for the sake of fluidity and easy understanding.
You're one step away from becoming a serious food shamer. Watch it, pal.
Are you serious? Am I really missing something? Wow, I was just trying to be helpful. :frown: Sorry for offending. I really wasn't trying to, I was just trying to say that telling someone they can still eat their favorite and not entirely the best choice as far as nutrition goes foods and lose weight is really encouraging!0 -
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In answer to the op's question:
Some people on MFP who bash perceived (by them by the way) healthier choices of eating are a bit narrow minded and believe that the only way of losing weight is the way that worked for them.
Also with some members their focus is on weight loss (or gain/maintenance) and not particularly that focused on overall health IMO.
I'm afraid it will never change, a lot of people like to give advice as opposed to help people have weight loss success in their own way.
And maybe some of us give our suggestions based on the mistakes we've already made so that sparing them from falling into the same issues.
Most of us have been on diets before, but to truly make a change you need to learn. Can't believe I'm going to say this but I've even learned 1 or 2 things from you... mostly not what to do, but without the mistakes and different experiences in dealing with them how do you advance more.
Sadly some people are of the mindset that if something doesn't work for them then it must be fact that it will not work for the other 7 billion people on this plant.
The more enlighten members will pass on their experiences of what worked for them and what didn't bit don't pass it off as gospel that it will be the same for everyone.
I've made the mistakes of calorie counting and continuing to eat all the junk food in moderation and it didn't work for me - I know though that it will work for others - which is why I don't jump onto IIFYM threads trying to recruit people to LCHF.
Did I say to eat one way or another? No. I do say maintain a reasonable calorie deficit and do it in a sustainable way. Having been the 285 lb woman that has dieted all my life and quit more than I can remember. I understand that if they immediately jump in with an overly restrictive diet, huge deficit, cut out everything they enjoy.. they might last 3 days. But if they can see that other people have had success in a much less miserable way, without restricting anything.. they might still be here in a year!
Calorie counting works, it might not have worked for you because you get out of it what you put into it..... that would be user error.0 -
I think that you completely misunderstood the tone and meaning of my post. Where did I give the indication that I don't like junk food? Where did I give the indication that stereotypically healthy foods taste bad? I'm calling it junk for the sake of fluidity and easy understanding.
i prefer we call it "delicious food"... you know, for the sake of fluidity and easy understanding. 0 -
What seems to be the issue with the term junk food - it's a universal term.0
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True, and good points. But I was shocked(maybe I shouldn't have been) over how much money, time, and research food companies put into making processed foods that not only taste good, but actually get people to eat more of it. And, yes, over consumption is the culprit, but how many people can say that they got fat on over-consuming broccoli or apples? It is the "junk" food that is being over-consumed because it is DESIGNED to be over-consumed.
I'm not advocating never having a treat, but when people write posts and say they are going to lay off pizza, people jump on them. Maybe laying off the pizza, if it causes them to overeat (again, by design), then what is wrong with that? Why do they get berated by others? Others say that they are wrong.
Maybe I'm over-thinking this, but I still find myself astounded.
You are vilifying a perfectly normal human activity. Millions of people in food production from farmers to manufacturers to transporters to retailers have children to feed, mortgages to pay and retirement to build all based on your choice to spend your money on what they have for sale. No different than people that produce dresses, perfumes, smart phones, cars or any item that you may wish or need. It is great fun to see people clean eat and paleo now as if that dietary choice would have been available to you in Bugscuffle , TN 30 years ago. All of the industrial supply lines are what make a HUGE variety of non processed food readily available at an affordable price in a wide part of our country. Variety back then was based on your ability to grow it. Farming is great if you have money in the bank and a steady stream flowing in, already have your masters degree and a paid mortgage and health ins. Depending on farming for everything in a word SUCKS. There is a reason people left farming. It is low paid slavery. I only ran 38 head of cattle and that was a constant headache. So glad I do Timber now. My point is, you don't need cute clothes. They don't make you any healthier and you could save that extra money for a bodily need. Look at manufactured food that way. It is just another product designed like every other product. Stop looking for external loci of control. Internal locus of control is the path to happiness.0 -
I think that you completely misunderstood the tone and meaning of my post. Where did I give the indication that I don't like junk food? Where did I give the indication that stereotypically healthy foods taste bad? I'm calling it junk for the sake of fluidity and easy understanding.
You're one step away from becoming a serious food shamer. Watch it, pal.
Are you serious? Am I really missing something? Wow, I was just trying to be helpful. :frown: Sorry for offending. I really wasn't trying to, I was just trying to say that telling someone they can still eat their favorite and not entirely the best choice as far as nutrition goes foods and lose weight is really encouraging!
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No, not serious. What you are experiencing is probably pretty similar to what "clean eaters" on MFP often feel.0 -
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Uh, okay, so what politically correct word would you like us to use in its place? Food lacking sufficient nutritional value to make it a prime choice, but it tastes really really good so you can still eat it as long as its in moderation? Seems like a mouthful.
You see, you seem to think I want political correctness. That's the farthest thing from my mind. However, demonizing any food, calling it "junk" or "crap" or "dirty" can only lead to unhealthy ways of thinking about food. People aren't fat because they eat food that is dirty/junk/crap--they are fat because they eat too much and don't move enough. Sure, people who can't spend a lot of money on food might end up eating food high in carbs and salt, the way I did, but in and of itself, that food is not "crap" or "junk" or "dirty." It's just food. If I didn't have to eat food high in carbs every day for a long time and could have worked those same foods into a balanced diet they would not have been unhealthy for me. Food is food. Our relationship with food is what makes us healthy or unhealthy--and that includes mental relationships as well.0 -
I'vecome to the conclusion that people in society As a whole will always bash what they do not fully understand and healthy eating obviously is something that not a lot of people fully understand. look at the obesity epidemic that we're facing in the US ; less than 60 percent of Americans know how to exercise correctly. And our of the ones that do know what to do, make excises to avoid doing it then wonder y that they have their own gravitational pull!0
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I'vecome to the conclusion that people in society As a whole will always bash what they do not fully understand and healthy eating obviously is something that not a lot of people fully understand. look at the obesity epidemic that we're facing in the US ; less than 60 percent of Americans know how to exercise correctly. And our of the ones that do know what to do, make excises to avoid doing it then wonder y that they have their own gravitational pull!
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Ah, I love the smell of sanctimony in the morning. 0
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