Why do people seem to bash "healthy"eating?
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You do realize that people like that need help? When I was in that place, it also led to substance abuse. My husband talked me into seeing a counselor, who helped me figure out how to deal with my issues in a healthy way. People like that need professional help, not a message board. Hopefully a loved one will steer them in the right direction. Strangers in a forum aren't going to help much.
Yes, when I finish my practicum and my internship, I might be treating some of them.
Also for the record, I had a quarter pound hamburger, a cup of mashed potatoes, a large bowl of salad greens, a half cup of cheddar cheese, two tablespoons of dressing, and two sugar-free cookies for lunch. I still have 700 calories left for dinner. I feel full and happy. Now that's good eatin', as we say around here. Healthy? I don't know, but it fits my macros IYKWIM.
With all due respect, perhaps you should finish those things and see a patient or two IRL before trying to diagnose everyone who disagrees with you on a forum with an eating disorder. Just spitballin here.0 -
I'm just trying to eat healthier because it makes me feel better and it makes it a lot easier to stay under my calorie limit. I imagine one day when I'm at maintenance and have more calories to play with, I'll probably eat some pizza and burritos once again. I will not go through a bunch of mental gymnastics and lie to myself that those things are healthy or good for me though.
What about pizza or a burrito makes it unhealthy?
Edit: Saw your response above.
So...it's the amount of calories that you see as being unhealthy?
It's the calories to nutrients and satiety ratio that concerns me the most, so for me yes.
What do you eat then? Your diary is closed, so I can't look, but I'm just curious what it is that you eat that fills you up so much more than a burrito bowl or a couple of slices of pizza? Burrito bowls and pizza can be made "healthier" and improve the calorie to nutrient ratio, since that is your definition. Brown rice, black beans, chicken or other lean protein, fajita vegetables, and if you have room in your day - throw some cheese, sour cream, or guacamole on that burrito bowl. That seems like it would be extremely filling - I know when I go to Chipotle or Qdoba those are some of my most filling lunches of the week. Pizza - same thing, doesn't have to be a pan pizza meat lovers extravaganza (although that is what I really enjoy and two slices of that still fit in my day).
I changed mine from completely open to open to my friends. But anyway, I eat meat. Lots of meat. And green leafy things and other green things that look like little trees. I'm never, ever actually hungry. I don't believe in being hungry. So far this has worked beautifully for me for 7 weeks. I've been around all the old foods that used to whisper to me and tell me seductive things, and yet I feel nothing for their pull. If that changes, I'll rethink things. For now, I won't fix what is not broken.
Ok, this is what is working for you and that's fine, don't fix what's not broken. But what is "unhealthy" about:
Brown Rice
Black Beans
Grilled Chicken
Fajita Vegetables
Shredded Cheese
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on a burrito bowl being bad what could be more satiating than lean meats, beans, fresh cut veggies and/or lightly sauteed peppers?
You aren't required to put that other garbage that jof puts on his...
LOL
For the record, I omit the beans...but add guacamole and extra steak. I prefer it with a full grown-up bag of chips (4 oz), and did that frequently when bulking, but I'm just at maintenance now and while I *could* make it work, there are some other foods I eat instead to hit a few more of my micros. (I do still occasionally have a kid-sized bag of chips (1 oz).)
(Yeah, imagine that...an IIFYM guy hitting his micros. What an incredibly rare thing this is...(but not really).)
ETA: Oh, and white rice or GTFO! (Brown rice...pshaw!)0 -
I'm just trying to eat healthier because it makes me feel better and it makes it a lot easier to stay under my calorie limit. I imagine one day when I'm at maintenance and have more calories to play with, I'll probably eat some pizza and burritos once again. I will not go through a bunch of mental gymnastics and lie to myself that those things are healthy or good for me though.
What about pizza or a burrito makes it unhealthy?
Edit: Saw your response above.
So...it's the amount of calories that you see as being unhealthy?
It's the calories to nutrients and satiety ratio that concerns me the most, so for me yes.
What do you eat then? Your diary is closed, so I can't look, but I'm just curious what it is that you eat that fills you up so much more than a burrito bowl or a couple of slices of pizza? Burrito bowls and pizza can be made "healthier" and improve the calorie to nutrient ratio, since that is your definition. Brown rice, black beans, chicken or other lean protein, fajita vegetables, and if you have room in your day - throw some cheese, sour cream, or guacamole on that burrito bowl. That seems like it would be extremely filling - I know when I go to Chipotle or Qdoba those are some of my most filling lunches of the week. Pizza - same thing, doesn't have to be a pan pizza meat lovers extravaganza (although that is what I really enjoy and two slices of that still fit in my day).
I changed mine from completely open to open to my friends. But anyway, I eat meat. Lots of meat. And green leafy things and other green things that look like little trees. I'm never, ever actually hungry. I don't believe in being hungry. So far this has worked beautifully for me for 7 weeks. I've been around all the old foods that used to whisper to me and tell me seductive things, and yet I feel nothing for their pull. If that changes, I'll rethink things. For now, I won't fix what is not broken.
Ok, that's fine, this is what is working for you and that's fine, don't fix what's not broken. But what is "unhealthy" about:
Brown Rice
Black Beans
Grilled Chicken
Fajita Vegetables
Shredded Cheese
Nothing in particular. I'm fine with all those, except the rice. I don't do rice or bread. It's just puts us right back to the satiety thing again.0 -
on a burrito bowl being bad what could be more satiating than lean meats, beans, fresh cut veggies and/or lightly sauteed peppers?
You aren't required to put that other garbage that jof puts on his...
LOL
For the record, I omit the beans...but add guacamole and extra steak. I prefer it with a full grown-up bag of chips (4 oz), and did that frequently when bulking, but I'm just at maintenance now and while I *could* make it work, there are some other foods I eat instead to hit a few more of my micros. (I do still occasionally have a kid-sized bag of chips (1 oz).)
(Yeah, imagine that...an IIFYM guy hitting his micros. What an incredibly rare thing this is...(but not really).)
ETA: Oh, and white rice or GTFO! (Brown rice...pshaw!)
I actually prefer the cilantro lime white rice at Qdoba but was using brown rice for the example just to nip the "all white food is the debil unless it is cauliflower" argument in the bud...0 -
Meat, cheese, vegetables.................omg the HORROR............we might as well become breathatariansdeleted
Subway is garbage food, huh? The green roast beef they tried to serve me (which I refused) and the vomiting that ensued the last 2 times I ate there would tell me that yes.. for me subway is garbage. You however may carry on eating it if you choose to do so. Because ya know.. It's a free country. :drinker: 0 -
Meat, cheese, vegetables.................omg the HORROR............we might as well become breathatariansdeleted
Subway is garbage food, huh? The green roast beef they tried to serve me (which I refused) and the vomiting that ensued the last 2 times I ate there would tell me that yes.. for me subway is garbage. You however may carry on eating it if you choose to do so. Because ya know.. It's a free country. :drinker:
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Meat, cheese, vegetables.................omg the HORROR............we might as well become breathatariansdeleted
Subway is garbage food, huh?
But the air is full of toxins.0 -
Meat, cheese, vegetables.................omg the HORROR............we might as well become breathatariansdeleted
Subway is garbage food, huh?
But the air is full of toxins.
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on a burrito bowl being bad what could be more satiating than lean meats, beans, fresh cut veggies and/or lightly sauteed peppers?
You aren't required to put that other garbage that jof puts on his...
LOL
For the record, I omit the beans...but add guacamole and extra steak. I prefer it with a full grown-up bag of chips (4 oz), and did that frequently when bulking, but I'm just at maintenance now and while I *could* make it work, there are some other foods I eat instead to hit a few more of my micros. (I do still occasionally have a kid-sized bag of chips (1 oz).)
(Yeah, imagine that...an IIFYM guy hitting his micros. What an incredibly rare thing this is...(but not really).)
ETA: Oh, and white rice or GTFO! (Brown rice...pshaw!)
I actually prefer the cilantro lime white rice at Qdoba but was using brown rice for the example just to nip the "all white food is the debil unless it is cauliflower" argument in the bud...
I would have gone with white rice in the example even if my personal preference was brown rice because I refuse to perpetuate the BS nutrition myths like this about rice. Besides, white rice is delicious...and brown rice, well, not so much...and I can get my insoluble fiber from somewhere else (assuming I need any more).0 -
I would have gone with white rice in the example even if my personal preference was brown rice because I refuse to perpetuate the BS nutrition myths like this about rice. Besides, white rice is delicious...and brown rice, well, not so much...and I can get my insoluble fiber from somewhere else (assuming I need any more).
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Subway is garbage food, huh?
I hear tell their buns double as yoga mats :laugh:0 -
I would have gone with white rice in the example even if my personal preference was brown rice because I refuse to perpetuate the BS nutrition myths like this about rice. Besides, white rice is delicious...and brown rice, well, not so much...and I can get my insoluble fiber from somewhere else (assuming I need any more).
I like the texture of brown rice compared to white. Same with pasta, I much prefer the taste and texture of brown. So you can have my share of the white stuff.
However you're not getting my white bread. I love the stuff.0 -
on a burrito bowl being bad what could be more satiating than lean meats, beans, fresh cut veggies and/or lightly sauteed peppers?
You aren't required to put that other garbage that jof puts on his...
LOL
For the record, I omit the beans...but add guacamole and extra steak. I prefer it with a full grown-up bag of chips (4 oz), and did that frequently when bulking, but I'm just at maintenance now and while I *could* make it work, there are some other foods I eat instead to hit a few more of my micros. (I do still occasionally have a kid-sized bag of chips (1 oz).)
(Yeah, imagine that...an IIFYM guy hitting his micros. What an incredibly rare thing this is...(but not really).)
ETA: Oh, and white rice or GTFO! (Brown rice...pshaw!)
I actually prefer the cilantro lime white rice at Qdoba but was using brown rice for the example just to nip the "all white food is the debil unless it is cauliflower" argument in the bud...
I would have gone with white rice in the example even if my personal preference was brown rice because I refuse to perpetuate the BS nutrition myths like this about rice. Besides, white rice is delicious...and brown rice, well, not so much...and I can get my insoluble fiber from somewhere else (assuming I need any more).
I enjoy both white and brown rice, depending on the cuisine and whether or not there is an accompanying sauce, I try not to discriminate between the two. I'm no Ricist!0 -
You do realize that people like that need help? When I was in that place, it also led to substance abuse. My husband talked me into seeing a counselor, who helped me figure out how to deal with my issues in a healthy way. People like that need professional help, not a message board. Hopefully a loved one will steer them in the right direction. Strangers in a forum aren't going to help much.
Yes, when I finish my practicum and my internship, I might be treating some of them.
Also for the record, I had a quarter pound hamburger, a cup of mashed potatoes, a large bowl of salad greens, a half cup of cheddar cheese, two tablespoons of dressing, and two sugar-free cookies for lunch. I still have 700 calories left for dinner. I feel full and happy. Now that's good eatin', as we say around here. Healthy? I don't know, but it fits my macros IYKWIM.
With all due respect, perhaps you should finish those things and see a patient or two IRL before trying to diagnose everyone who disagrees with you on a forum with an eating disorder. Just spitballin here.
Show me one post in which I have ever attempted to diagnose anyone. Ever. Anywhere. You won't find a single one. And please don't try to play me for a sucker--we both know that you mean no respect for anyone, but for some reason you have chosen to be aggressively nasty to me. I wasn't going to engage with you, but when you accuse me of unethical behavior, that's where I draw the line.0 -
Meat, cheese, vegetables.................omg the HORROR............we might as well become breathatariansdeleted
Subway is garbage food, huh?
But the air is full of toxins.
This has made coming into this thread worth it. :drinker:0 -
Meat, cheese, vegetables.................omg the HORROR............we might as well become breathatariansdeleted
Subway is garbage food, huh?
But the air is full of toxins.
This has made coming into this thread worth it. :drinker:
+1
I lolled.0 -
So, clearly, I wasn't going to take a poll and cause drama, but I'm just going to leave this here.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1272423-soda-good-bad-or-just-ugly
I honestly wonder how many of the people with the negative responses, i.e. soda is bad, would identify as "clean" eaters. My completely unscientific guess would be many.0 -
You do realize that people like that need help? When I was in that place, it also led to substance abuse. My husband talked me into seeing a counselor, who helped me figure out how to deal with my issues in a healthy way. People like that need professional help, not a message board. Hopefully a loved one will steer them in the right direction. Strangers in a forum aren't going to help much.
Yes, when I finish my practicum and my internship, I might be treating some of them.
Also for the record, I had a quarter pound hamburger, a cup of mashed potatoes, a large bowl of salad greens, a half cup of cheddar cheese, two tablespoons of dressing, and two sugar-free cookies for lunch. I still have 700 calories left for dinner. I feel full and happy. Now that's good eatin', as we say around here. Healthy? I don't know, but it fits my macros IYKWIM.
With all due respect, perhaps you should finish those things and see a patient or two IRL before trying to diagnose everyone who disagrees with you on a forum with an eating disorder. Just spitballin here.
Show me one post in which I have ever attempted to diagnose anyone. Ever. Anywhere. You won't find a single one. And please don't try to play me for a sucker--we both know that you mean no respect for anyone, but for some reason you have chosen to be aggressively nasty to me. I wasn't going to engage with you, but when you accuse me of unethical behavior, that's where I draw the line.
Actually you did. Several times in this thread alone. I have no idea why you think I'm being aggressively nasty to you, but whatever. I'm actually not an aggressive person at all. I'd tell you to confirm that with some of my FL peeps in this thread, but you already called them a bunch of orthorexics so....0 -
You do realize that people like that need help? When I was in that place, it also led to substance abuse. My husband talked me into seeing a counselor, who helped me figure out how to deal with my issues in a healthy way. People like that need professional help, not a message board. Hopefully a loved one will steer them in the right direction. Strangers in a forum aren't going to help much.
Yes, when I finish my practicum and my internship, I might be treating some of them.
Also for the record, I had a quarter pound hamburger, a cup of mashed potatoes, a large bowl of salad greens, a half cup of cheddar cheese, two tablespoons of dressing, and two sugar-free cookies for lunch. I still have 700 calories left for dinner. I feel full and happy. Now that's good eatin', as we say around here. Healthy? I don't know, but it fits my macros IYKWIM.
With all due respect, perhaps you should finish those things and see a patient or two IRL before trying to diagnose everyone who disagrees with you on a forum with an eating disorder. Just spitballin here.
Show me one post in which I have ever attempted to diagnose anyone. Ever. Anywhere. You won't find a single one. And please don't try to play me for a sucker--we both know that you mean no respect for anyone, but for some reason you have chosen to be aggressively nasty to me. I wasn't going to engage with you, but when you accuse me of unethical behavior, that's where I draw the line.
Actually you did. Several times in this thread alone. I have no idea why you think I'm being aggressively nasty to you, but whatever. I'm actually not an aggressive person at all. I'd tell you to confirm that with some of my FL peeps in this thread, but you already called them a bunch of orthorexics so....
You're misinterpreting what I wrote is not the same thing as me diagnosing anything. But you know, it's funny how you perceive yourself as not being aggressively nasty to me and still have managed to turn both threads we've posted in together into being about me (or other people with whom you disagree). But then, I guess you call everyone you're not being aggressively nasty to either "delusional" or unethical? If you find me so distasteful, why not just put me on ignore?0 -
You do realize that people like that need help? When I was in that place, it also led to substance abuse. My husband talked me into seeing a counselor, who helped me figure out how to deal with my issues in a healthy way. People like that need professional help, not a message board. Hopefully a loved one will steer them in the right direction. Strangers in a forum aren't going to help much.
Yes, when I finish my practicum and my internship, I might be treating some of them.
Also for the record, I had a quarter pound hamburger, a cup of mashed potatoes, a large bowl of salad greens, a half cup of cheddar cheese, two tablespoons of dressing, and two sugar-free cookies for lunch. I still have 700 calories left for dinner. I feel full and happy. Now that's good eatin', as we say around here. Healthy? I don't know, but it fits my macros IYKWIM.
With all due respect, perhaps you should finish those things and see a patient or two IRL before trying to diagnose everyone who disagrees with you on a forum with an eating disorder. Just spitballin here.
Show me one post in which I have ever attempted to diagnose anyone. Ever. Anywhere. You won't find a single one. And please don't try to play me for a sucker--we both know that you mean no respect for anyone, but for some reason you have chosen to be aggressively nasty to me. I wasn't going to engage with you, but when you accuse me of unethical behavior, that's where I draw the line.
Actually you did. Several times in this thread alone. I have no idea why you think I'm being aggressively nasty to you, but whatever. I'm actually not an aggressive person at all. I'd tell you to confirm that with some of my FL peeps in this thread, but you already called them a bunch of orthorexics so....
You're misinterpreting what I wrote is not the same thing as me diagnosing anything. But you know, it's funny how you perceive yourself as not being aggressively nasty to me and still have managed to turn both threads we've posted in together into being about me (or other people with whom you disagree). But then, I guess you call everyone you're not being aggressively nasty to either "delusional" or unethical? If you find me so distasteful, why not just put me on ignore?
Wait. Are you still mad because a Texan dared to call themselves a Southerner and pointed out that you were taking common words and trying to play a race card off of them? lol
I haven't put you on ignore because I don't ignore people. I don't get angry over comments on a forum. I've kinda been around the internet block a few times and have a pretty thick skin. Now if you can't handle conversing with someone who disagrees with you and employs a healthy dose of sarcasm from time to time, I'll go ahead and put you on ignore if you like. I'm sure someone else will end up calling you out when you start labeling people like you have, so you should probably get prepared or stop doing that.0 -
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Wait. Are you still mad because a Texan dared to call themselves a Southerner and pointed out that you were taking common words and trying to play a race card off of them? lol
I haven't put you on ignore because I don't ignore people. I don't get angry over comments on a forum. I've kinda been around the internet block a few times and have a pretty thick skin. Now if you can't handle conversing with someone who disagrees with you and employs a healthy dose of sarcasm from time to time, I'll go ahead and put you on ignore if you like. I'm sure someone else will end up calling you out when you start labeling people like you have, so you should probably get prepared or stop doing that.
I have not labeled a single person. Not one. You, however, have labeled me as "delusional" and have implied that I am unethical--neither of which I thought were allowable on these forums. Yes, please put me on ignore, as all you seem to want to do is "call me out" and make threads in which I attempt to take part unpleasant places to be. I do not know where your rudeness has come from, but it is there and I would appreciate your leaving me alone.0 -
Meat, cheese, vegetables.................omg the HORROR............we might as well become breathatariansdeleted
Subway is garbage food, huh? The green roast beef they tried to serve me (which I refused) and the vomiting that ensued the last 2 times I ate there would tell me that yes.. for me subway is garbage. You however may carry on eating it if you choose to do so. Because ya know.. It's a free country. :drinker:
Have I understood this correctly?
You went to one Subway and were served mouldy beef - therefore all Subway food everywhere is garbage?
Not sure how your one Subway experience means all Subway food in all of the world is garbage.
ETA I have had Subway in Australia and New Zealand - many many times. Never had food poisoning symptoms.
Most likely the food hygiene at the places you went to was dodgy - doesn't make the food itself a problem, just the handling.0 -
I'm just trying to eat healthier because it makes me feel better and it makes it a lot easier to stay under my calorie limit. I imagine one day when I'm at maintenance and have more calories to play with, I'll probably eat some pizza and burritos once again. I will not go through a bunch of mental gymnastics and lie to myself that those things are healthy or good for me though.
What about pizza or a burrito makes it unhealthy?
Edit: Saw your response above.
So...it's the amount of calories that you see as being unhealthy?
It's the calories to nutrients and satiety ratio that concerns me the most, so for me yes.
Keep fighting the good fight brother. I love these people pulling a "pizza is a vegetable" nonsense. thoroughly enjoyable, but entirely sad at the same time.0 -
I'm just trying to eat healthier because it makes me feel better and it makes it a lot easier to stay under my calorie limit. I imagine one day when I'm at maintenance and have more calories to play with, I'll probably eat some pizza and burritos once again. I will not go through a bunch of mental gymnastics and lie to myself that those things are healthy or good for me though.
What about pizza or a burrito makes it unhealthy?
Edit: Saw your response above.
So...it's the amount of calories that you see as being unhealthy?
It's the calories to nutrients and satiety ratio that concerns me the most, so for me yes.
Keep fighting the good fight brother. I love these people pulling a "pizza is a vegetable" nonsense. thoroughly enjoyable, but entirely sad at the same time.
At which point did the person above say pizza was a vegetable?0 -
I'm just trying to eat healthier because it makes me feel better and it makes it a lot easier to stay under my calorie limit. I imagine one day when I'm at maintenance and have more calories to play with, I'll probably eat some pizza and burritos once again. I will not go through a bunch of mental gymnastics and lie to myself that those things are healthy or good for me though.
What about pizza or a burrito makes it unhealthy?
Edit: Saw your response above.
So...it's the amount of calories that you see as being unhealthy?
It's the calories to nutrients and satiety ratio that concerns me the most, so for me yes.
Keep fighting the good fight brother. I love these people pulling a "pizza is a vegetable" nonsense. thoroughly enjoyable, but entirely sad at the same time.
At which point did the person above say pizza was a vegetable?
They obviously meant with a cauliflower base!0 -
I'm just trying to eat healthier because it makes me feel better and it makes it a lot easier to stay under my calorie limit. I imagine one day when I'm at maintenance and have more calories to play with, I'll probably eat some pizza and burritos once again. I will not go through a bunch of mental gymnastics and lie to myself that those things are healthy or good for me though.
What about pizza or a burrito makes it unhealthy?
Edit: Saw your response above.
So...it's the amount of calories that you see as being unhealthy?
It's the calories to nutrients and satiety ratio that concerns me the most, so for me yes.
So, what keeps you satiated longer for less calories and the same amount of macros/nutrients?
Just curious...because usually a burrito or pizza will keep me full for a while.
Same here! A couple of slices of pizza and a beer, and I'm good for dinner. For lunch, I'll usually just have one slice with a Coke Zero.0 -
Of course they don't. They just say that people who DON'T eat clean will die of cancer or some other mystery illness, or they will preach about their "health" superiority when they either have no avi, an unimpressive avi, less than stellar ticker, or closed diary.Ok, recap for the late comers. MFP seems to be fractured into a couple of main groups - the healthy eaters and the eat whatever you want eaters. Within those two groups there are a variety of sub-groups. For the most part, there are preachers on both sides who like to bash. They resort to name calling, food shaming, sarcasm and generally aren't very nice simply because the clean eaters choose to lose weight and/or get fit in a manner which they deem as being extreme. Secretly, they hold the clean eaters in high regard so their inner conflict leads to outwardly belittling the clean eaters. The trigger for the eat whatever you want group is "clean". If that word is used in any way, shape or form, OR implied, OR used as flame bait, the eat whatever you want group is in for the kill. Some of the clean eaters are a tad fed up with the bashing EVEN though we personally have never preached clean eating, told others that was the way they had to eat or it was the only way to eat. That's what this thread is all about. Oh, and so far nothing much in the way of gifs but I'm sure they are just around the corner. Cheers!
You funny.
I like whiskey, cigarettes, wine, chocolate and white stuff of all shapes and sizes. My diary is open. I had that stuff today.
I don't haz no canzerz and I is well hot.
White stuff with a cherry on top!
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ETA: Oh, and white rice or GTFO! (Brown rice...pshaw!)
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