Why do people seem to bash "healthy"eating?
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So, clearly, I wasn't going to take a poll and cause drama, but I'm just going to leave this here.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1272423-soda-good-bad-or-just-ugly
I honestly wonder how many of the people with the negative responses, i.e. soda is bad, would identify as "clean" eaters. My completely unscientific guess would be many.
I'm a clean eater and while I don't drink soda, I don't label it as bad, good or neutral. I'm rather indifferent to the issue of soda because it doesn't concern me personally. Do I think others should drink soda? You're guess :huh:0 -
I'm still honestly 3 pages back where pizza and burrito bowls are not filling?
WHO SAYS that!!!
they are incredibly filling... I don't get it.0 -
Awww, heck yeah I'm in.
In the original, original post, OP states thati am working with my treatment team to break labels off good and bad food. as someone recovering from an eating disorder, i have to look at it as food is good in moderation, and to not be scared of "bad" foods. of course this doesn't apply to me, and if i could do it without issues i would prefer to live off of fruits veg beans and whole grains. but for me that is not possible, and it is better off to not have good or bad labels.
I am also recovering from an eating disorder and my treatment team doesn't give a hoot about clean vs. dirty, good vs. bad. That's the kind of thinking that started my disordered eating that eventually became an eating disorder.
Besides, your post confuses the gosh-darned heck out of me. You don't want to label foods as "bad" (YES! People recovering from EDs should not label foods as "bad") but then you say that it doesn't apply to you.
Consider me all in and confused as all heck.
I'll save to read later once I finish my dinner from Chipotle.0 -
I'm just trying to eat healthier because it makes me feel better and it makes it a lot easier to stay under my calorie limit. I imagine one day when I'm at maintenance and have more calories to play with, I'll probably eat some pizza and burritos once again. I will not go through a bunch of mental gymnastics and lie to myself that those things are healthy or good for me though.
What about pizza or a burrito makes it unhealthy?
Edit: Saw your response above.
So...it's the amount of calories that you see as being unhealthy?
It's the calories to nutrients and satiety ratio that concerns me the most, so for me yes.
Keep fighting the good fight brother. I love these people pulling a "pizza is a vegetable" nonsense. thoroughly enjoyable, but entirely sad at the same time.
Who are "these people" and where are they pulling this nonsense?0 -
ETA: Oh, and white rice or GTFO! (Brown rice...pshaw!)
QFT
yes.
yes white rice is about 100x better tasting than brown rice. But hey, that's subjective. You know, like this entire thread!
eta: Hey chocolate cake avatar lady, we keep bumping into each other and I keep quoting your posts. I think this friendship is meant to happen, just saying.
eta2: and hey I just went back to see which chocolate cake lady you are, because there's two of you (one is from Australia). You're both pretty legit. I think I'm gonna join the chocolate cake club, seems like good people.
eta3: Okay, I'm in the chocolate cake club now. I have a strawberry on mine because I'm the CRAZY BASHING vegan sector...who doesn't really bash or care about what other people do!
eta4: (okay, maybe more vegetarian, my vegan card has been weak lately)0 -
You do realize that people like that need help? When I was in that place, it also led to substance abuse. My husband talked me into seeing a counselor, who helped me figure out how to deal with my issues in a healthy way. People like that need professional help, not a message board. Hopefully a loved one will steer them in the right direction. Strangers in a forum aren't going to help much.
Yes, when I finish my practicum and my internship, I might be treating some of them.
Also for the record, I had a quarter pound hamburger, a cup of mashed potatoes, a large bowl of salad greens, a half cup of cheddar cheese, two tablespoons of dressing, and two sugar-free cookies for lunch. I still have 700 calories left for dinner. I feel full and happy. Now that's good eatin', as we say around here. Healthy? I don't know, but it fits my macros IYKWIM.
With all due respect, perhaps you should finish those things and see a patient or two IRL before trying to diagnose everyone who disagrees with you on a forum with an eating disorder. Just spitballin here.
Show me one post in which I have ever attempted to diagnose anyone. Ever. Anywhere. You won't find a single one. And please don't try to play me for a sucker--we both know that you mean no respect for anyone, but for some reason you have chosen to be aggressively nasty to me. I wasn't going to engage with you, but when you accuse me of unethical behavior, that's where I draw the line.
Actually you did. Several times in this thread alone. I have no idea why you think I'm being aggressively nasty to you, but whatever. I'm actually not an aggressive person at all. I'd tell you to confirm that with some of my FL peeps in this thread, but you already called them a bunch of orthorexics so....
You're misinterpreting what I wrote is not the same thing as me diagnosing anything. But you know, it's funny how you perceive yourself as not being aggressively nasty to me and still have managed to turn both threads we've posted in together into being about me (or other people with whom you disagree). But then, I guess you call everyone you're not being aggressively nasty to either "delusional" or unethical? If you find me so distasteful, why not just put me on ignore?
It does appear you were diagnosing by calling some folks a bunch of orthorexics. In the professional world, slapping that label on a person is a diagnosis and doing so without actually consulting with that individual is unethical. You are entitled to your opinion BUT putting it in print when you don't have the credentials to make the diagnosis and have never consulted with the individual you put the label on, could get you into hot water.
For the record, many folks are actively healthy and/or clean eaters. A small subset of these folks may develop orthorexia but further investigation would show that as with most eating disorders there are other underlying issues contributing to the disorder than just food.0 -
I'm still honestly 3 pages back where pizza and burrito bowls are not filling?
WHO SAYS that!!!
they are incredibly filling... I don't get it.
This guy who can easily put down a large pizza and laugh at it's pathetic attempt at filling the black hole that is my stomach, says that.0 -
Completely off topic, but jmv7117's avi makes me want to slap on my HRM and have a good b*tch session just to test a theory.0
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Completely off topic, but jmv7117's avi makes me want to slap on my HRM and have a good b*tch session just to test a theory.
I guarantee being animatedly pissed off will burn more calories than lying on the couch. :laugh:0 -
Completely off topic, but jmv7117's avi makes me want to slap on my HRM and have a good b*tch session just to test a theory.
I guarantee being animatedly pissed off will burn more calories than lying on the couch. :laugh:
Half an hour of face palming will burn 200 calories. But will also cost a lot of brain cells (but then doesn't arguing on MFP do that anyway)?0 -
I'm just trying to eat healthier because it makes me feel better and it makes it a lot easier to stay under my calorie limit. I imagine one day when I'm at maintenance and have more calories to play with, I'll probably eat some pizza and burritos once again. I will not go through a bunch of mental gymnastics and lie to myself that those things are healthy or good for me though.
What about pizza or a burrito makes it unhealthy?
Edit: Saw your response above.
So...it's the amount of calories that you see as being unhealthy?
It's the calories to nutrients and satiety ratio that concerns me the most, so for me yes.
Keep fighting the good fight brother. I love these people pulling a "pizza is a vegetable" nonsense. thoroughly enjoyable, but entirely sad at the same time.
Who are "these people" and where are they pulling this nonsense?
I know it's tough for you guys, but sometimes people use metaphors.
The gov't classifies pizza as a "vegetable" because of the tomato sauce, and Wendy called pizza a "nutritionally complete meal" - which is equally laughable.
That was the allusion being made. Relax.0 -
Completely off topic, but jmv7117's avi makes me want to slap on my HRM and have a good b*tch session just to test a theory.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:0 -
Completely off topic, but jmv7117's avi makes me want to slap on my HRM and have a good b*tch session just to test a theory.
I guarantee being animatedly pissed off will burn more calories than lying on the couch. :laugh:
Half an hour of face palming will burn 200 calories. But will also cost a lot of brain cells (but then doesn't arguing on MFP do that anyway)?
Calorie burn for typing on computer - 32 calories per hour0 -
I'm just trying to eat healthier because it makes me feel better and it makes it a lot easier to stay under my calorie limit. I imagine one day when I'm at maintenance and have more calories to play with, I'll probably eat some pizza and burritos once again. I will not go through a bunch of mental gymnastics and lie to myself that those things are healthy or good for me though.
What about pizza or a burrito makes it unhealthy?
Edit: Saw your response above.
So...it's the amount of calories that you see as being unhealthy?
It's the calories to nutrients and satiety ratio that concerns me the most, so for me yes.
Keep fighting the good fight brother. I love these people pulling a "pizza is a vegetable" nonsense. thoroughly enjoyable, but entirely sad at the same time.
Who are "these people" and where are they pulling this nonsense?
I know it's tough for you guys, but sometimes people use metaphors.
The gov't classifies pizza as a "vegetable" because of the tomato sauce, and Wendy called pizza a "nutritionally complete meal" - which is equally laughable.
That was the allusion being made. Relax.
Meat, dairy, grains, veggies....What is more complete than that? :laugh:0 -
Completely off topic, but jmv7117's avi makes me want to slap on my HRM and have a good b*tch session just to test a theory.
I guarantee being animatedly pissed off will burn more calories than lying on the couch. :laugh:
Half an hour of face palming will burn 200 calories. But will also cost a lot of brain cells (but then doesn't arguing on MFP do that anyway)?
Calorie burn for typing on computer - 32 calories per hour
On MFP it's 94 cal/hour for the sheer agony of it all.0 -
Completely off topic, but jmv7117's avi makes me want to slap on my HRM and have a good b*tch session just to test a theory.
Maybe stress eating is really eating back your complaining calories.0 -
I'm still honestly 3 pages back where pizza and burrito bowls are not filling?
WHO SAYS that!!!
they are incredibly filling... I don't get it.
This guy who can easily put down a large pizza and laugh at it's pathetic attempt at filling the black hole that is my stomach, says that.
So your method of eating less is simply to eat food that doesn't taste that good? Is that what you're saying?0 -
I'm just trying to eat healthier because it makes me feel better and it makes it a lot easier to stay under my calorie limit. I imagine one day when I'm at maintenance and have more calories to play with, I'll probably eat some pizza and burritos once again. I will not go through a bunch of mental gymnastics and lie to myself that those things are healthy or good for me though.
What about pizza or a burrito makes it unhealthy?
Edit: Saw your response above.
So...it's the amount of calories that you see as being unhealthy?
It's the calories to nutrients and satiety ratio that concerns me the most, so for me yes.
Keep fighting the good fight brother. I love these people pulling a "pizza is a vegetable" nonsense. thoroughly enjoyable, but entirely sad at the same time.
Who are "these people" and where are they pulling this nonsense?
I know it's tough for you guys, but sometimes people use metaphors.
The gov't classifies pizza as a "vegetable" because of the tomato sauce, and Wendy called pizza a "nutritionally complete meal" - which is equally laughable.
That was the allusion being made. Relax.
Metaphors? This may be tough for you, but I do not think it means what you think it means.0 -
I'm still honestly 3 pages back where pizza and burrito bowls are not filling?
WHO SAYS that!!!
they are incredibly filling... I don't get it.
This guy who can easily put down a large pizza and laugh at it's pathetic attempt at filling the black hole that is my stomach, says that.
I cannot even fathom how much "meat and green leafy things" you must be eating in order to fill you up more than a large pizza.0 -
I'm still honestly 3 pages back where pizza and burrito bowls are not filling?
WHO SAYS that!!!
they are incredibly filling... I don't get it.
This guy who can easily put down a large pizza and laugh at it's pathetic attempt at filling the black hole that is my stomach, says that.
So your method of eating less is simply to eat food that doesn't taste that good? Is that what you're saying?
Err, NO! I wouldn't eat anything that didn't taste good. My "method" if I had to say I have one is I learned real quick how to be a badazz in the kitchen. My food is delicious.0 -
I'm just trying to eat healthier because it makes me feel better and it makes it a lot easier to stay under my calorie limit. I imagine one day when I'm at maintenance and have more calories to play with, I'll probably eat some pizza and burritos once again. I will not go through a bunch of mental gymnastics and lie to myself that those things are healthy or good for me though.
What about pizza or a burrito makes it unhealthy?
Edit: Saw your response above.
So...it's the amount of calories that you see as being unhealthy?
It's the calories to nutrients and satiety ratio that concerns me the most, so for me yes.
Keep fighting the good fight brother. I love these people pulling a "pizza is a vegetable" nonsense. thoroughly enjoyable, but entirely sad at the same time.
Who are "these people" and where are they pulling this nonsense?
I know it's tough for you guys, but sometimes people use metaphors.
The gov't classifies pizza as a "vegetable" because of the tomato sauce, and Wendy called pizza a "nutritionally complete meal" - which is equally laughable.
That was the allusion being made. Relax.
Metaphors? This may be tough for you, but I do not think it means what you think it means.
"A metaphor is a figure of speech that describes a subject by asserting that it is, on some point of comparison, the same as another otherwise unrelated object. Metaphor is a type of analogy and is closely related to other rhetorical figures of speech that achieve their effects via association, comparison or resemblance including allegory, hyperbole, and simile."
we can move on if you don't want to get weighed down in this tangent though.0 -
completely. and intentionally. missed. my. entire. point. and you know what I meant. We don't all want to be healthier in the end? really.Doesn't all this really come down to the fact that everybody eats how they want to eat? Why are we choosing sides like the Protestants and Catholics? We all want the same thing in the end. All this bickering makes my a** twitch.
Because religion is faith based and nutrition can be rationally broken down into facts and supported theory.
Also, we don't all want the same thing in the end.0 -
I'm still honestly 3 pages back where pizza and burrito bowls are not filling?
WHO SAYS that!!!
they are incredibly filling... I don't get it.
This guy who can easily put down a large pizza and laugh at it's pathetic attempt at filling the black hole that is my stomach, says that.
I cannot even fathom how much "meat and green leafy things" you must be eating in order to fill you up more than a large pizza.
Well dinner time is usually when I get all ravenous so typically 8-11oz. of chicken, turkey, or lean steak and somewhere between 3-5 cups of the green stuff.0 -
completely. and intentionally. missed. my. entire. point. and you know what I meant. We don't all want to be healthier in the end? really.Doesn't all this really come down to the fact that everybody eats how they want to eat? Why are we choosing sides like the Protestants and Catholics? We all want the same thing in the end. All this bickering makes my a** twitch.
Because religion is faith based and nutrition can be rationally broken down into facts and supported theory.
Also, we don't all want the same thing in the end.
the rub is that we can't agree on what "healthier" means.0 -
I'm still honestly 3 pages back where pizza and burrito bowls are not filling?
WHO SAYS that!!!
they are incredibly filling... I don't get it.
This guy who can easily put down a large pizza and laugh at it's pathetic attempt at filling the black hole that is my stomach, says that.
So your method of eating less is simply to eat food that doesn't taste that good? Is that what you're saying?
Err, NO! I wouldn't eat anything that didn't taste good. My "method" if I had to say I have one is I learned real quick how to be a badazz in the kitchen. My food is delicious.
Then why can't you figure out how to make a pizza that fits your macro ratio and calorie goal? Add "meat and green stuff" for toppings? Truly confused...0 -
I'm still honestly 3 pages back where pizza and burrito bowls are not filling?
WHO SAYS that!!!
they are incredibly filling... I don't get it.
This guy who can easily put down a large pizza and laugh at it's pathetic attempt at filling the black hole that is my stomach, says that.
So your method of eating less is simply to eat food that doesn't taste that good? Is that what you're saying?
Err, NO! I wouldn't eat anything that didn't taste good. My "method" if I had to say I have one is I learned real quick how to be a badazz in the kitchen. My food is delicious.
Then why can't you figure out how to make a pizza that fits your macro ratio and calorie goal? Add "meat and green stuff" for toppings? Truly confused...
You could pretend your plate is the base (which you end up not eating) and then just add meat a veg as the toppings. Instead of a tomato sauce underneath you could maybe have a meat gravy sauce on top then hey presto pizza! - no wait I know what I've just done - I've just made a Sunday roast!0 -
I'm still honestly 3 pages back where pizza and burrito bowls are not filling?
WHO SAYS that!!!
they are incredibly filling... I don't get it.
This guy who can easily put down a large pizza and laugh at it's pathetic attempt at filling the black hole that is my stomach, says that.
So your method of eating less is simply to eat food that doesn't taste that good? Is that what you're saying?
Err, NO! I wouldn't eat anything that didn't taste good. My "method" if I had to say I have one is I learned real quick how to be a badazz in the kitchen. My food is delicious.
Then why can't you figure out how to make a pizza that fits your macro ratio and calorie goal? Add "meat and green stuff" for toppings? Truly confused...
You could pretend your plate is the base (which you end up not eating) and then just add meat a veg as the toppings. Instead of a tomato sauce underneath you could maybe have a meat gravy sauce on top then hey presto pizza! - no wait I know what I've just done - I've just made a Sunday roast!
:laugh:
Seriously, I made a delicious. low-calorie pizza back when I was on 1900 calories. It was chicken breast and veggies for the topping, and a thin, but chewy crust. The sauce is low calorie anyway, basically tomato paste and seasoning. The big calories on pizza come from a thick crust with lots of oil in it. I omitted the oil on the crust and just lightly sprayed Pam on each side to help it brown. Then the cheese can be sparse or can be low fat, depending on taste buds. Pizza is the most versatile foods, besides a stew or soup maybe. It can be a high calorie, nutrient-sparse mess, or it can be incredibly nutritious. It just depends on how you make it.0 -
I'm just trying to eat healthier because it makes me feel better and it makes it a lot easier to stay under my calorie limit. I imagine one day when I'm at maintenance and have more calories to play with, I'll probably eat some pizza and burritos once again. I will not go through a bunch of mental gymnastics and lie to myself that those things are healthy or good for me though.
What about pizza or a burrito makes it unhealthy?
Edit: Saw your response above.
So...it's the amount of calories that you see as being unhealthy?
It's the calories to nutrients and satiety ratio that concerns me the most, so for me yes.
Keep fighting the good fight brother. I love these people pulling a "pizza is a vegetable" nonsense. thoroughly enjoyable, but entirely sad at the same time.
Who are "these people" and where are they pulling this nonsense?
I know it's tough for you guys, but sometimes people use metaphors.
The gov't classifies pizza as a "vegetable" because of the tomato sauce, and Wendy called pizza a "nutritionally complete meal" - which is equally laughable.
That was the allusion being made. Relax.
So here's the ingredients from one of my homemade pizza what is not nutritionally complete about this: Makes 2 pizzas, is delicious
1 teaspoon Active Dry Or Instant Yeast
4 cups All-purpose Flour
1 teaspoon Kosher Salt
1/3 cup Extra Virgin Olive Oil
1 cup of cooked chicken or sausage
1 whole Large Eggplant (or Two Medium Eggplants)
Kosher Salt, For Sprinkling
1 pint Grape Tomatoes
2 cloves Garlic, Minced
8 ounces, weight Fresh Mozzarella Cheese, Sliced Very Thin
1/2 cup Freshly Grated Parmesan Cheese
Extra Virgin Olive Oil For Drizzling
Freshly Ground Black Pepper0 -
I'm still honestly 3 pages back where pizza and burrito bowls are not filling?
WHO SAYS that!!!
they are incredibly filling... I don't get it.
This guy who can easily put down a large pizza and laugh at it's pathetic attempt at filling the black hole that is my stomach, says that.
So your method of eating less is simply to eat food that doesn't taste that good? Is that what you're saying?
Err, NO! I wouldn't eat anything that didn't taste good. My "method" if I had to say I have one is I learned real quick how to be a badazz in the kitchen. My food is delicious.
Then why can't you figure out how to make a pizza that fits your macro ratio and calorie goal? Add "meat and green stuff" for toppings? Truly confused...
You could pretend your plate is the base (which you end up not eating) and then just add meat a veg as the toppings. Instead of a tomato sauce underneath you could maybe have a meat gravy sauce on top then hey presto pizza! - no wait I know what I've just done - I've just made a Sunday roast!
:laugh:
Seriously, I made a delicious. low-calorie pizza back when I was on 1900 calories. It was chicken breast and veggies for the topping, and a thin, but chewy crust. The sauce is low calorie anyway, basically tomato paste and seasoning. The big calories on pizza come from a thick crust with lots of oil in it. I omitted the oil on the crust and just lightly sprayed Pam on each side to help it brown. Then the cheese can be sparse or can be low fat, depending on taste buds. Pizza is the most versatile foods, besides a stew or soup maybe. It can be a high calorie, nutrient-sparse mess, or it can be incredibly nutritious. It just depends on how you make it.
Apart from the exclusion of oil, did you change the ingredients for the base?0 -
I cannot even fathom how much "meat and green leafy things" you must be eating in order to fill you up more than a large pizza.
Everyone is different you know..
if you can eat an entire pizza and it fills you for hours, then that is great for you. Eating a large pizza will *empty* me, rather quickly, if you catch my drift and i'll be hungry soon thereafter. I am capable of eating an entire pizza in one sitting too.
Or I can make my HUGE dinner of "meat and green leafy things" and be full for a long time. More protein in my dinner versus the pizza, less fat, less carbs less calories and less grease in my dinner and full longer. That's so winning it almost needs a new category.
ETA: i'm assuming pizza you buy, not homemade pizza. Which can be very healthy and filling depending on how it's made. I've experienced both sides when eating homemade pizza.0
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