Subway!!!
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I didn't know you're a psychic who knows what OP wants.Toothpaste was invented for a reason so don't come with the "sugar rots your teeth" argument or we can end this discussion immediately.
And yes, that is entirely in the realm of possibilities. I'm eating 2500 calories a day. That isn't even one of the highest calorie goals on here. If I wanted to meet those with veggies and plain chicken breast ("healthy stuff") I'd
1) pay out my a** for it
2( get sick of it very soon
And also, another common misconception, more isn't always better. Not even for micros. Getting 5 times your daily recommendation of vitamins and other micro nutrients consistently just because you wanted to only eat "healthy" food and thus have been eating 2 kilos of fruit and veggies daily is not beneficial to your health either.
Again you're talking about you and what you do
Do you honestly believe that the OP is asking for "Good healthy sandwich ideas" so that he can fill up his chosen calorie intake for the day? Really?
And if he wants to be healthy he better eat his calories for the day.
I have honestly no idea what exactly you're trying to argue here since you started.
The first 3 replies were all Subway sandwiches from their 'healthy' range. Chicken, Turkey, ham, vegies. In fact, every one who has chosen to offer up a sandwich idea to the OP has chosen similar sandwiches. Either they are all psychic or they coincidentally guessed what the OP wanted.
I haven't seen a single person put forward the Meatball pepperoni melt, despite at over 1000 calories, being the best way to achieve those difficult to meet calorie goals!0 -
So you didn't go back and read what I wrote and just continue down your path to a full hijack of this thread? You should probably also go back and read the "patronsising, insulting and superiority complex" in your own posts. In any event, best of luck in your "journey."
My own journey is fine. No problems at all thanks.
I read all that you wrote, and re-read some to see if I had missed anything. I saw some useful stuff but also a lot of contradictory stuff.
You said that it's unhealthy to classify foods as healthy or unhealthy - then go on to classify processed meat as unhealthy
You say that classifying foods as healthy or unhealthy is simplistic - then go on to endorse schools that classify foods as 'sometimes foods' and 'always foods' - equally simplistic
As it happens I agree with the IIFYM approach too - but I'm aware that there are foods that make this approach easy, and foods that make it more difficult - which is really the crux of the OPs original question
You're reaching awfuly hard here, claim to support IIFYM, and yet seem awfully confused about the basics. I'm done here. No one except you set out to hijack the op's post. As for your comment just above about low fat being healthy, just lol.
I'm not confused at all - there are very few diets in which the basics is spelled out clearly in the name - IIFYM is one of them, it really is as simple as IIFYM
Did you even read what I said 'just above'? I didn't once say that low fat was healthy - I said that it's a fair assumption that by 'Healthy' the OP probably meant low fat, low calorie, low sodium, given that's what Subway say it is
But never mind - if it makes you 'just lol' then fill your boots
Now, you really are making me chuckle. People have been trying to help the OP by discussing IIFYM, you've argued against their input, and now you're claiming that you are just defining what the OP probably meant, but not supporting that view? Do you have a point?
Who are you trying to kid
The OP wanted good healthy sandwich ideas - do you really think it helps the OP by saying "Anything on the menu will be a good healthy idea if it fits your macros" Do you honestly believe that's what was being asked?
Yes, as I've already explained, and I'm not trying to "kid" anyone. You definitely win the Internet for most meaningless posts in a single thread though.0 -
Ah, so not correcting a misconception is good now. Alright.
Low calorie != healthy
high calorie != unhealthy
"empty calories" as in a cookie != unhealthy
something that has no apparent health benefits != unhealthy
something that is inherently detrimental to your health = unhealthy
Drinking draino is unhealthy.
Eating a cookie isn't unhealthy.
Hitting your macros is good. Hitting your micros is good. Eating way too many of your micros because you thought it would be healthy is not good. Every single sub on the menu can be healthy or unhealthy for you, depending on your macro and micro needs. If you only have 100 calories left for the day you shouldn't eat a "healthy" sub because those are still 4 times more calories than you need for your goals.
We're saying this in this thread that asked about "healthy sandwiches" why? Because there's still tons of people who don't know those things and think that just eating "healthy" food will magically make them lose weight / become healthy which is not necessarily the case cause you can still overeat on "healthy" stuff.0 -
Why wouldn't the OP be planning on filling up his caloric intake for the day? Any food that contributes to his calorie goal helps him fill up his caloric intake. What in blazes are you even saying? Do you even have any idea what you are talking about, or are you just typing for the same of typing? I mean, do you think the OP is asking for suggestions of sandwiches that will negate his calorie goals? Seriously, that makes absolutely zero logical sense.Toothpaste was invented for a reason so don't come with the "sugar rots your teeth" argument or we can end this discussion immediately.
And yes, that is entirely in the realm of possibilities. I'm eating 2500 calories a day. That isn't even one of the highest calorie goals on here. If I wanted to meet those with veggies and plain chicken breast ("healthy stuff") I'd
1) pay out my a** for it
2( get sick of it very soon
And also, another common misconception, more isn't always better. Not even for micros. Getting 5 times your daily recommendation of vitamins and other micro nutrients consistently just because you wanted to only eat "healthy" food and thus have been eating 2 kilos of fruit and veggies daily is not beneficial to your health either.
Again you're talking about you and what you do
Do you honestly believe that the OP is asking for "Good healthy sandwich ideas" so that he can fill up his chosen calorie intake for the day? Really?0 -
Incidentally, I've never done it but apparently if you ask they'll scoop out the bread in the centre of the sub to reduce calories further.
I do all the time and, speaking as a carboholic, you can't even tell the difference. It's a bit tricky to calculate on mfp tho.0 -
Ah, so not correcting a misconception is good now. Alright.
Low calorie != healthy
high calorie != unhealthy
"empty calories" as in a cookie != unhealthy
something that has no apparent health benefits != unhealthy
something that is inherently detrimental to your health = unhealthy
Drinking draino is unhealthy.
Eating a cookie isn't unhealthy.
Hitting your macros is good. Hitting your micros is good. Eating way too many of your micros because you thought it would be healthy is not good. Every single sub on the menu can be healthy or unhealthy for you, depending on your macro and micro needs. If you only have 100 calories left for the day you shouldn't eat a "healthy" sub because those are still 4 times more calories than you need for your goals.
We're saying this in this thread that asked about "healthy sandwiches" why? Because there's still tons of people who don't know those things and think that just eating "healthy" food will magically make them lose weight / become healthy which is not necessarily the case cause you can still overeat on "healthy" stuff.
Nobody is suggesting any of that - that's just your misconception of what is being said
"If you only have 100 calories left for the day you shouldn't eat a "healthy" sub because those are still 4 times more calories than you need for your goals."
Yep, absolutely - who has suggested otherwise?
I'll give you a scenario now. If someone has 400 calories left, they should eat a "healthy" sub instead of 2 cookies as the subway is more nutritionally beneficial than the 2 cookies - even when you aren't aware of the exact macro and micro needs, there's more chance of meeting them with the sub than with the cookies.0 -
Love me some subway.
Footlong overn roasted chicken breast with all the veggies around 700 calories.
Oh heck yeah...and it fills you up which is a great thing.
You can eat alot of other things with 700 calories, like just a few cookies, and you arent going to get the full feelling like you do with a sub.
Plus.....that is alot of vegetables you can pile on which are good for ya.
Dont bother with the cheeses.
Usually get the hot sauce on it..very low calories.0 -
Why wouldn't the OP be planning on filling up his caloric intake for the day? Any food that contributes to his calorie goal helps him fill up his caloric intake. What in blazes are you even saying? Do you even have any idea what you are talking about, or are you just typing for the same of typing? I mean, do you think the OP is asking for suggestions of sandwiches that will negate his calorie goals? Seriously, that makes absolutely zero logical sense.Toothpaste was invented for a reason so don't come with the "sugar rots your teeth" argument or we can end this discussion immediately.
And yes, that is entirely in the realm of possibilities. I'm eating 2500 calories a day. That isn't even one of the highest calorie goals on here. If I wanted to meet those with veggies and plain chicken breast ("healthy stuff") I'd
1) pay out my a** for it
2( get sick of it very soon
And also, another common misconception, more isn't always better. Not even for micros. Getting 5 times your daily recommendation of vitamins and other micro nutrients consistently just because you wanted to only eat "healthy" food and thus have been eating 2 kilos of fruit and veggies daily is not beneficial to your health either.
Again you're talking about you and what you do
Do you honestly believe that the OP is asking for "Good healthy sandwich ideas" so that he can fill up his chosen calorie intake for the day? Really?
I didn't say he wasn't planning to fill up his calorie intake for the day - it makes absolutely zero sense why you would even think that I said that.
If his goal was simply to fill up his calorie intake for the day, he could just as easily come on here and said "Hey tell me anything at all on the Subway menu that contains calories"0 -
You could ask them to give you the scooped out stuff seperately and take it home, then weigh itI do all the time and, speaking as a carboholic, you can't even tell the difference. It's a bit tricky to calculate on mfp tho.
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Getting a bit lost here, but what WAS your issue with the cookie in the first place, exactly?Nobody is suggesting any of that - that's just your misconception of what is being said
That was exactly how I took it.0 -
If you only have 400 calories left and already met your needs there's no reason to choose one over the other and you can go for whatever you like.Ah, so not correcting a misconception is good now. Alright.
Low calorie != healthy
high calorie != unhealthy
"empty calories" as in a cookie != unhealthy
something that has no apparent health benefits != unhealthy
something that is inherently detrimental to your health = unhealthy
Drinking draino is unhealthy.
Eating a cookie isn't unhealthy.
Hitting your macros is good. Hitting your micros is good. Eating way too many of your micros because you thought it would be healthy is not good. Every single sub on the menu can be healthy or unhealthy for you, depending on your macro and micro needs. If you only have 100 calories left for the day you shouldn't eat a "healthy" sub because those are still 4 times more calories than you need for your goals.
We're saying this in this thread that asked about "healthy sandwiches" why? Because there's still tons of people who don't know those things and think that just eating "healthy" food will magically make them lose weight / become healthy which is not necessarily the case cause you can still overeat on "healthy" stuff.
Nobody is suggesting any of that - that's just your misconception of what is being said
"If you only have 100 calories left for the day you shouldn't eat a "healthy" sub because those are still 4 times more calories than you need for your goals."
Yep, absolutely - who has suggested otherwise?
I'll give you a scenario now. If someone has 400 calories left, they should eat a "healthy" sub instead of 2 cookies as the subway is more nutritionally beneficial than the 2 cookies - even when you aren't aware of the exact macro and micro needs, there's more chance of meeting them with the sub than with the cookies.
Also, you suggest otherwise. Multiple times. Every time you argued about that damn cookie you did. Every time you talked about the word "healthy" you did.0 -
So you didn't go back and read what I wrote and just continue down your path to a full hijack of this thread? You should probably also go back and read the "patronsising, insulting and superiority complex" in your own posts. In any event, best of luck in your "journey."
My own journey is fine. No problems at all thanks.
I read all that you wrote, and re-read some to see if I had missed anything. I saw some useful stuff but also a lot of contradictory stuff.
You said that it's unhealthy to classify foods as healthy or unhealthy - then go on to classify processed meat as unhealthy
You say that classifying foods as healthy or unhealthy is simplistic - then go on to endorse schools that classify foods as 'sometimes foods' and 'always foods' - equally simplistic
As it happens I agree with the IIFYM approach too - but I'm aware that there are foods that make this approach easy, and foods that make it more difficult - which is really the crux of the OPs original question
You're reaching awfuly hard here, claim to support IIFYM, and yet seem awfully confused about the basics. I'm done here. No one except you set out to hijack the op's post. As for your comment just above about low fat being healthy, just lol.
I'm not confused at all - there are very few diets in which the basics is spelled out clearly in the name - IIFYM is one of them, it really is as simple as IIFYM
Did you even read what I said 'just above'? I didn't once say that low fat was healthy - I said that it's a fair assumption that by 'Healthy' the OP probably meant low fat, low calorie, low sodium, given that's what Subway say it is
But never mind - if it makes you 'just lol' then fill your boots
Now, you really are making me chuckle. People have been trying to help the OP by discussing IIFYM, you've argued against their input, and now you're claiming that you are just defining what the OP probably meant, but not supporting that view? Do you have a point?
Who are you trying to kid
The OP wanted good healthy sandwich ideas - do you really think it helps the OP by saying "Anything on the menu will be a good healthy idea if it fits your macros" Do you honestly believe that's what was being asked?
Yes, as I've already explained, and I'm not trying to "kid" anyone. You definitely win the Internet for most meaningless posts in a single thread though.
I'll take that with a pinch of salt as I would imagine most of your discussions on here end with you saying the same sort of thing to anyone who doesn't agree with you0 -
If you only have 400 calories left and already met your needs there's no reason to choose one over the other and you can go for whatever you like.
Also, you suggest otherwise. Multiple times. Every time you argued about that damn cookie you did. Every time you talked about the word "healthy" you did.
That would require someone to know EXACTLY what their needs were - and I've been on enough weight training forums to know that's simply not possible.
You've done a heavy lifting session and you're looking to add muscle size. Do you go for a gram of protein per lb of body weight as some advocate? Or 1.5 gms as some advocate? Even then you're not totally sure? You've got 400 calories left and you THINK you have had enough protein? Maybe. Possibly. You could have the high protein sub or the nutritionally empty cookies....0 -
So you didn't go back and read what I wrote and just continue down your path to a full hijack of this thread? You should probably also go back and read the "patronsising, insulting and superiority complex" in your own posts. In any event, best of luck in your "journey."
My own journey is fine. No problems at all thanks.
I read all that you wrote, and re-read some to see if I had missed anything. I saw some useful stuff but also a lot of contradictory stuff.
You said that it's unhealthy to classify foods as healthy or unhealthy - then go on to classify processed meat as unhealthy
You say that classifying foods as healthy or unhealthy is simplistic - then go on to endorse schools that classify foods as 'sometimes foods' and 'always foods' - equally simplistic
As it happens I agree with the IIFYM approach too - but I'm aware that there are foods that make this approach easy, and foods that make it more difficult - which is really the crux of the OPs original question
You're reaching awfuly hard here, claim to support IIFYM, and yet seem awfully confused about the basics. I'm done here. No one except you set out to hijack the op's post. As for your comment just above about low fat being healthy, just lol.
I'm not confused at all - there are very few diets in which the basics is spelled out clearly in the name - IIFYM is one of them, it really is as simple as IIFYM
Did you even read what I said 'just above'? I didn't once say that low fat was healthy - I said that it's a fair assumption that by 'Healthy' the OP probably meant low fat, low calorie, low sodium, given that's what Subway say it is
But never mind - if it makes you 'just lol' then fill your boots
Now, you really are making me chuckle. People have been trying to help the OP by discussing IIFYM, you've argued against their input, and now you're claiming that you are just defining what the OP probably meant, but not supporting that view? Do you have a point?
Who are you trying to kid
The OP wanted good healthy sandwich ideas - do you really think it helps the OP by saying "Anything on the menu will be a good healthy idea if it fits your macros" Do you honestly believe that's what was being asked?
Yes, as I've already explained, and I'm not trying to "kid" anyone. You definitely win the Internet for most meaningless posts in a single thread though.
I'll take that with a pinch of salt as I would imagine most of your discussions on here end with you saying the same sort of thing to anyone who doesn't agree with you
I'm not even sure what you're opinion is other than that you're upset that others have given the OP their input.0 -
You could ask them to give you the scooped out stuff seperately and take it home, then weigh it.
Oh god, that is something I would *totally* do if I'd thought of it myself so....thanks a lot!
(I'm actually having Subway today too.)
Also, OP, you know what? Go have a damned cookie. Especially if they're straight from the oven and have that yummy just baked cookie smell. You know you want to. 0 -
OMG!!! Massive waste of the OP's time with petty arguments. A few posts did actually try to be helpful.0
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OMG!!! Massive waste of the OP's time with petty arguments. A few posts did actually try to be helpful.
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In the past I've got some end-of-day pies from the supermarket, not eaten most of the pastry then weighed what I didn't eat.Oh god, that is something I would *totally*
Then entered it the amount of an appropriate pastry as a negative number in MFP. to give me a total figure without the uneaten pastry.0 -
I'm not even sure what you're opinion is other than that you're upset that others have given the OP their input.
It was clear to most that the OP wanted subway sandwich ideas that are considered 'healthy'
The first few posters embraced that and offered ideas that are often considered 'healthy'
I understand that you and some others are opposed to the notion of healthy v unhealthy foods' however I am also aware that there are foods that make it easier to fulfil your macros than others.
I have no idea what your macros are, or what your goals or needs are; however I don't think I would be too far off if I guessed that you require a fair bit of protein which is usually for lifters, the need they focus most on. I just bet your protein needs are always met. So if you asked on a weights forum "Give me some ideas for a healthy breakfast" you would expect some replies of eggs, chicken, cheese. I don't expect many would say "There is no such thing as 'healthy' foods, have some fries and a can of soda if you want. Like I said - I have no idea of what your goals or needs are, so I apologise for making assumptions if they are completely not the case
You could have said "Well protein needs are often difficult to fulfil, so how about..." You didn't and instead pretended that you had no idea of what the OPs was getting at
I probably don't have a view too dissimilar to yours, but I chose to offer what I thought was obviously what the OP was asking for, rather than saying, eat what you want as there is no such thing as healthy foods0 -
OMG!!! Massive waste of the OP's time with petty arguments. A few posts did actually try to be helpful.
So what was your helpful post for the OP? Or did you just come on here to add another 'waste of the OPs time'?0 -
I'm not even sure what you're opinion is other than that you're upset that others have given the OP their input.
It was clear to most that the OP wanted subway sandwich ideas that are considered 'healthy'
The first few posters embraced that and offered ideas that are often considered 'healthy'
I understand that you and some others are opposed to the notion of healthy v unhealthy foods' however I am also aware that there are foods that make it easier to fulfil your macros than others.
I have no idea what your macros are, or what your goals or needs are; however I don't think I would be too far off if I guessed that you require a fair bit of protein which is usually for lifters the need they focus most on. I just bet your protein needs are always met. So if you asked on a weights forum "Give me some ideas for a healthy breakfast" you would expect some replies of eggs, chicken, cheese. I don't expect many would say "There is no such thing as 'healthy' foods
I probably don't have a view too dissimilar to yours, but I chose to offer what I thought was obviously what the OP was asking for, rather than saying, eat what you want as there is no such thing as healthy foods
Feel better? Can the thread move on now?0 -
We saw OPs post. From experience we know what he wants to hear. We see that people wrote what he wanted to hear.
We know that that's not the whole truth. That's what we said. "It is entirely dependent on your goals. Depending on your goals and what you've eaten already that day, anything on the menu can be either good or bad for you."
That's not what he wanted to hear, but it's important for him to know if he didn't already.
So I don't know why you've been arguing for the past few pages against us telling him that.0 -
I'm not even sure what you're opinion is other than that you're upset that others have given the OP their input.
It was clear to most that the OP wanted subway sandwich ideas that are considered 'healthy'
The first few posters embraced that and offered ideas that are often considered 'healthy'
I understand that you and some others are opposed to the notion of healthy v unhealthy foods' however I am also aware that there are foods that make it easier to fulfil your macros than others.
I have no idea what your macros are, or what your goals or needs are; however I don't think I would be too far off if I guessed that you require a fair bit of protein which is usually for lifters the need they focus most on. I just bet your protein needs are always met. So if you asked on a weights forum "Give me some ideas for a healthy breakfast" you would expect some replies of eggs, chicken, cheese. I don't expect many would say "There is no such thing as 'healthy' foods
I probably don't have a view too dissimilar to yours, but I chose to offer what I thought was obviously what the OP was asking for, rather than saying, eat what you want as there is no such thing as healthy foods
Feel better? Can the thread move on now?
Yeah you carry on.
How do you plan on doing that?0 -
I'm not even sure what you're opinion is other than that you're upset that others have given the OP their input.
It was clear to most that the OP wanted subway sandwich ideas that are considered 'healthy'
The first few posters embraced that and offered ideas that are often considered 'healthy'
I understand that you and some others are opposed to the notion of healthy v unhealthy foods' however I am also aware that there are foods that make it easier to fulfil your macros than others.
I have no idea what your macros are, or what your goals or needs are; however I don't think I would be too far off if I guessed that you require a fair bit of protein which is usually for lifters the need they focus most on. I just bet your protein needs are always met. So if you asked on a weights forum "Give me some ideas for a healthy breakfast" you would expect some replies of eggs, chicken, cheese. I don't expect many would say "There is no such thing as 'healthy' foods
I probably don't have a view too dissimilar to yours, but I chose to offer what I thought was obviously what the OP was asking for, rather than saying, eat what you want as there is no such thing as healthy foods
Feel better? Can the thread move on now?
Yeah you carry on.
How do you plan on doing that?
You're white knighting the OP and he hasn't even come back to clarify. You sure something else hasn't upset you?0 -
Pretty easy to pick out a sub at subway that is healthy
http://www.subway.com/nutrition/nutritionlist.aspx
SKip the cheese and go for the healthier choices and you are good to go.
The argument about the cookies is if you had 400 calories to throw away, do you get a sub or cookies.
Depends.
How hungry are you?
HUngry? For the sub.
Not real hungry and want to treat yourself? Go for the 2 cookies.0 -
So, for many of, the OP had a distorted perception of 'healthy' - the typical "low calorie" stuff.It was clear to most that the OP wanted subway sandwich ideas that are considered 'healthy'
Certainly that's how I viewed your post in relation to cookies, at least.
If had misconceptions about a fairly basic construct of something I was engaged in, I would want people to tell me.
Say I was riding motorcycles and thought you turned the bars left to go left (when riding above a crawl). You don't. You turn the bars the other way, as it goes. I was HAPPY to have this misconception explained to me.
I didn't feel anger towards the person trying to explain how I had misunderstood a basic concept.
I do appreciate that for some 'support' means just saying "you go dude". That's not how it works for me. I much prefer useful information as a spring board to gaining a better knowledge.0 -
Go for a 6 inch. Turkey, chicken, ham. No cheese. As much salad as you like. Choose your dressing carefully- I like sweet onion, but only a drizzle.
But really, what do you mean by healthy?
Why No Cheese?? What is so unhealthy about cheese?0 -
Buffalo Chicken , no cheese. lettuce, tommato, and cucumbers on wheat ( ranch dressing)0
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*definitely
Anyway, the sandwiches aren't that high in calories, they're all somewhere along 500-600 calories for the 6' ones (that is without cheese or sauce though). So with everything it should be around 800-ish. The chicken ones have good amounts of protein too so chicken fajita or teriyaki make a good meal. Now I'm hungry.
800 calories! Wow I don't think I would ever have a Subway again if my favourite was that much!
I usually have a 6 inch Hearty Italian with Chicken and a little Honey Mustard sauce. Just 384 calories.
Lots of Sodium in the Subways but what the heck
I was thinking the same thing. My veggie sandwich comes in at around 300 calories, 800?? Sheesh for 800 cals I might as well just eat some cheese fries (with ranch of course) and a coke.0 -
Always 6inch, I usually get wheat bread then turkey or ham - no cheese, no dressing - the way I like it :blushing:
If I'm with my boyfriend we will usually share a meatball marinara as a delish treat and still not a large amount of cals.0 -
6'' wheat veggie delite, all veg, no cheese, with vinegar and mustard or sweet onion sauce.0
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