My calorie goal hard to reach, any suggestions?
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Wait..... wait...... this is a 25 year old GUY with a TDEE of only 2300? What is wrong with this picture?
I weight 215, 5'10", 25, listed my activity as lightly active, since I don't get to get to a gym regularly, and I take long walks (that's what it said under lightly active), clicked wanted to lose 2 lbs a week, and it said my goal was 1750 (I could be wrong, maybe I need 2800 to maintain weight, not sure exactly, but I just assumed MFP subtracted like 500-650 calories from what I need to eat to maintain, so that's where I got 2300 for my total to maintain, could be off by a hundred or 2, but dif websites have gave me different goals for maintaining weight, so not sure which to believe)0 -
I just completed the 30 day ice cream/ gelato cleanse.
lost 5.8lbs
1" off my waist
new PR on my half-marathon
and I'm finishing off a half-pint of Cadbury Creme Egg Ice Cream as I type this.
Wait... you mean to tell me that somewhere in this world there exists Cadbury Creme Egg Ice Cream, yet I have never heard about it? How did I not know this?! And where might I ask did you buy such a tasty sounding treat?
It was a one-off from a local ice cream shoppe. I prefered it to their Peeps ice cream.
But, there is hope... MFP had several listings for Cadbury Cream Egg Ice Cream, so that means it must exist SOMEWHERE. I seem to recall a bunch of the entries looked like they were from the UK.0 -
Because there is a lot more factors than just calories.Haha do not eat ice cream. It will just lead to increased blood sugar levels and insulin in bloodstream and halt progress a lot. Try eating stir fry with bunch of meat and vegetables easy way to get your greens and protein .
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In what way will eating at or below his calorie target "halt progress a lot"? That makes zero sense at all.
(Hopefully this has already been addressed in the pages I haven't read yet...)
Well, as far as the protein shakes go with the muscle milk, it gives me loads of daily micronutrients based on the nutrition label, loads of vitamins, calcium, etc. So by drinking 2 of those a day at least, a long with my veggies to get VC and the other vitamins I need, I believe I am doing alright on that part of things.
Honestly, I didn't expect this topic to go past page 1, was just expecting some short, personalized opinions. but trust me, I'm copy and pasting all of the awesome advice into microsoft word now to go back on for later so I don't have to scroll from page to page.0 -
Wait..... wait...... this is a 25 year old GUY with a TDEE of only 2300? What is wrong with this picture?
I weight 215, 5'10", 25, listed my activity as lightly active, since I don't get to get to a gym regularly, and I take long walks (that's what it said under lightly active), clicked wanted to lose 2 lbs a week, and it said my goal was 1750 (I could be wrong, maybe I need 2800 to maintain weight, not sure exactly, but I just assumed MFP subtracted like 500-650 calories from what I need to eat to maintain, so that's where I got 2300 for my total to maintain, could be off by a hundred or 2, but dif websites have gave me different goals for maintaining weight, so not sure which to believe)
I'm going to guess it's a little off but you'll be able to better tell in time. For perspective, I'm 5'3.5 " 116 lbs and a girl and I lose weight around 2150ish, just weightlifting 3x a week, walking and taking care of my kids.0 -
I'm going to guess it's a little off but you'll be able to better tell in time. For perspective, I'm 5'3.5 " 116 lbs and a girl and I lose weight around 2150ish, just weightlifting 3x a week, walking and taking care of my kids.
You're SUPPOSED to take care of your kids. What do you want? A cookie?
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Wait..... wait...... this is a 25 year old GUY with a TDEE of only 2300? What is wrong with this picture?
I weight 215, 5'10", 25, listed my activity as lightly active, since I don't get to get to a gym regularly, and I take long walks (that's what it said under lightly active), clicked wanted to lose 2 lbs a week, and it said my goal was 1750 (I could be wrong, maybe I need 2800 to maintain weight, not sure exactly, but I just assumed MFP subtracted like 500-650 calories from what I need to eat to maintain, so that's where I got 2300 for my total to maintain, could be off by a hundred or 2, but dif websites have gave me different goals for maintaining weight, so not sure which to believe)
MFP is not a TDEE calculator, it calculates what you need NOT INCLUDING EXERCISE. So your activity level it asks for is for your daily life, job, school, running after kids, shopping, laundry, what have you. When you exercise, it gives you more calories to eat.
A properly set MFP + exercise calories goal should be somewhere in the same ballpark as a properly set TDEE - % goal.
MFP takes a flat rate from its calculation depending on how much you say you want to lose. If you choose 2 pounds per week, it subtracts 1,000 from what you need not including exercise. The 1750 it tells you to eat is already a steep deficit, now the fact that you are only eating 1,000-1,200, this makes it a Very Low Calorie Diet, and not safe. Please eat.0 -
Nonsense, don't overthink it.....eat healthy and count calories to a certain extent but don't worry if your not hitting 1750 because there are too many variables that go into this to know exactly what your intake actually is.....if you are losing weight, keep it up and get it over with so you can move into heavy lifting and eating more of what you want.0
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Wait..... wait...... this is a 25 year old GUY with a TDEE of only 2300? What is wrong with this picture?
I weight 215, 5'10", 25, listed my activity as lightly active, since I don't get to get to a gym regularly, and I take long walks (that's what it said under lightly active), clicked wanted to lose 2 lbs a week, and it said my goal was 1750 (I could be wrong, maybe I need 2800 to maintain weight, not sure exactly, but I just assumed MFP subtracted like 500-650 calories from what I need to eat to maintain, so that's where I got 2300 for my total to maintain, could be off by a hundred or 2, but dif websites have gave me different goals for maintaining weight, so not sure which to believe)
I'm going to guess it's a little off but you'll be able to better tell in time. For perspective, I'm 5'3.5 " 116 lbs and a girl and I lose weight around 2150ish, just weightlifting 3x a week, walking and taking care of my kids.
That's actually a very nice weight for you at your height. But since you lose weight around 2150ish, I'm wondering why MFP told me my goal is 1750 =/ and I am 215 pounds and 5'10"... Starting to wonder if the calorie thingy is truly correct, unless it's telling me that because I'm shooting for 2 lb's a week instead of 1/2 or 10 -
Because there is a lot more factors than just calories.Haha do not eat ice cream. It will just lead to increased blood sugar levels and insulin in bloodstream and halt progress a lot. Try eating stir fry with bunch of meat and vegetables easy way to get your greens and protein .
*sigh*
In what way will eating at or below his calorie target "halt progress a lot"? That makes zero sense at all.
(Hopefully this has already been addressed in the pages I haven't read yet...)
Don't you find it even a little bit thought-provoking that you're in such a strong minority with this belief that you can actually increase mass while in a calorie deficit (or decrease mass while in a calorie surplus)? Just a little bit? No?
I wish the NASM had a Board to which I could report your posts to have your CPT license revoked for malpractice.0 -
There are definite negatives to having a large calorie deficit. The greater the calorie deficit, the greater the muscle loss during weight loss. Also, the greater your metabolism wants to bridge the energy gap between calorie intake and calorie burn and will slow down if you sustain a large calorie deficit for a long period of time. Studies also show that with a large calorie deficit and faster weight loss, you're much much more likely to regain the weight and actually overshoot your original weight on the way up, mainly due to hormones that make you hungry when the body senses rapid weight loss and keep making you hungry even when you gain weight again...
I'm not here to debate. Your metabolism doesn't change significantly when you eat a large deficit. Everyone eating at a deficit will have a small decrease in metabolism, but it isn't exponential and it's temporary... so it's a non-factor. It absolutely does not matter. He's not starving himself so muscle loss won't be significantly if any different than if he was eating a few hundred more calories.
An individual is not a statistic. You can't point at someone and tell them that eating 1200 calories will definitely cause them to gain weight after they finish dieting. Something being statistically significant doesn't mean that it applies to everyone. Some people will have more success losing 2 lbs/week than 1/2 lb/week and vice versa. And don't use words like "much more likely" if you don't have the source. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1038/oby.2001.134/full here you will see that there is evidence against the idea of a VLCD hindering long term success of weight loss. While it is a popular idea and is often repeated, there isn't much research to back up the claim that VLCD is more likely to cause weight gain...while there is evidence against the claim.
Sidenote: OP isn't on a vlcd and I'm not advocating them...but I am disputing the notion that lower calorie diets are more harmful or won't work as well as eating a few hundred more calories.
Here's a quote from the conclusion section of the paper you linked to:VLCDs and LCDs with an average intake between 400 and 800 kcal/d do not result in differences in body weight loss, as shown in some RCTs. Therefore, the pessimistic 1958 view of Stunkard and McLaren-Hume (1), that most patients will not lose weight, is no longer true. However, their statement that most patients regain their lost weight is still true. Although their are difficulties in comparing studies because of large variations in the design and control of study variables, the overall picture is still very negative. VLCD in combination with active follow-up treatment seems to be one of the better treatment modalities for long-term weight maintenance success. Carefully controlled studies, however, are needed to determine more precisely the role of VLCD or other dietary treatments such as LCD in the treatment of obesity. Questions such as the rate and level of initial weight loss, as well as gender differences on weight-maintenance success, need further attention.
The body is always working towards equilibrium. Everything we have seen in science shows the the universe prefers equilibrium and takes steps to get to it. You can't argue that a higher calorie deficit is superior to a lower calorie deficit because you've completely left out adaptive thermogenesis. Sorry for not providing links earlier, I will do that now:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3673773/
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/65/3/717.full.pdf+html
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Thats nice and everything but OP said he was at 1200 calories and he wanted to hit 1750. Thats 550 calories missing, If he replaced that with ice cream or other junk every day it will be less effective than nutrient rich foods. Not empty calories.Haha do not eat ice cream. It will just lead to increased blood sugar levels and insulin in bloodstream and halt progress a lot. Try eating stir fry with bunch of meat and vegetables easy way to get your greens and protein .
Yeah, no.
Let's see...last Sunday I had not 1 but 2 cupcakes. On Monday I did that again. They fit into my daily calorie goal...Tuesday I had lost 2 lbs.
And I didn't see anywhere where people said to do that every day.
It's about moderation NOT deprivation.
Where did he ever say he was feeling deprived?0 -
Wait..... wait...... this is a 25 year old GUY with a TDEE of only 2300? What is wrong with this picture?
I weight 215, 5'10", 25, listed my activity as lightly active, since I don't get to get to a gym regularly, and I take long walks (that's what it said under lightly active), clicked wanted to lose 2 lbs a week, and it said my goal was 1750 (I could be wrong, maybe I need 2800 to maintain weight, not sure exactly, but I just assumed MFP subtracted like 500-650 calories from what I need to eat to maintain, so that's where I got 2300 for my total to maintain, could be off by a hundred or 2, but dif websites have gave me different goals for maintaining weight, so not sure which to believe)
I'm going to guess it's a little off but you'll be able to better tell in time. For perspective, I'm 5'3.5 " 116 lbs and a girl and I lose weight around 2150ish, just weightlifting 3x a week, walking and taking care of my kids.
That's actually a very nice weight for you at your height. But since you lose weight around 2150ish, I'm wondering why MFP told me my goal is 1750 =/ and I am 215 pounds and 5'10"... Starting to wonder if the calorie thingy is truly correct, unless it's telling me that because I'm shooting for 2 lb's a week instead of 1/2 or 1
MFP tells me I need 1200. TDEE calculators tell me I need 1750 to maintain weight. Just gotta find what works for you but finding a middle ground is ideal. Hunger cues aren't reliable to know if you're eating enough, as Leptin levels change after sustained intake. For me, I would rather have more calories than sustain a low calorie intake and have no wiggle room, should I need to.0 -
Because there is a lot more factors than just calories.Haha do not eat ice cream. It will just lead to increased blood sugar levels and insulin in bloodstream and halt progress a lot. Try eating stir fry with bunch of meat and vegetables easy way to get your greens and protein .
*sigh*
In what way will eating at or below his calorie target "halt progress a lot"? That makes zero sense at all.
(Hopefully this has already been addressed in the pages I haven't read yet...)
Don't you find it even a little bit thought-provoking that you're in such a strong minority with this belief that you can actually increase mass while in a calorie deficit (or decrease mass while in a calorie surplus)? Just a little bit? No?
I wish the NASM had a Board to which I could report your posts to have your CPT license revoked for malpractice.
quoting the first part of your post, not the NASM part. My goal is to hit about 195 and maintain, since I'll still have fat to turn to muscle, because my main goal is this, where I'll be working at a prison, say for instance, if an inmate tries to screw with me, and I end up grabbing him by the arm, I want his first thoughts to be =0 OH S**T. I don't want to surplus much after that, because I don't want to fail, I just want to get lean and cut first, (something I've never been, nor ever tried to do), then I'll try to bulk up, but I think 195 to 185 seems like a good weight to start cutting up, even if I start hitting the weights before I reach my goal of 185-195, it may help with the process of building muscle, But I am going to do what one of the girls said and just make all my meals contain more calories, like adding cheese and wrap bacon around a piece of chicken, etc..0 -
quoting the first part of your post, not the NASM part. My goal is to hit about 195 and maintain, since I'll still have fat to turn to muscle, because my main goal is this, where I'll be working at a prison, say for instance, if an inmate tries to screw with me, and I end up grabbing him by the arm, I want his first thoughts to be =0 OH S**T. I don't want to surplus much after that, because I don't want to fail, I just want to get lean and cut first, (something I've never been, nor ever tried to do), then I'll try to bulk up, but I think 195 to 185 seems like a good weight to start cutting up, even if I start hitting the weights before I reach my goal of 185-195, it may help with the process of building muscle, But I am going to do what one of the girls said and just make all my meals contain more calories, like adding cheese and wrap bacon around a piece of chicken, etc..
You can't "turn fat into muscle" that's not how it works. Unless somebody is very obese in which case different circumstances apply, this is how it works: If you're running a calorie deficit you will always lose fat & muscle. If you're running a calorie surplus you will always gain fat & muscle. If you're running at maintenance you will maintain your weight, but it is possible to slowly increase muscle mass and slowly decrease body fat. Through proper macronutrient manipulation, strength training that incorporates progressive overload, and proper calorie deficit or surplus size, you can minimize muscle loss during a calorie deficit and you can minimize fat gain during a calorie surplus.0 -
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Don't you find it even a little bit thought-provoking that you're in such a strong minority with this belief that you can actually increase mass while in a calorie deficit (or decrease mass while in a calorie surplus)? Just a little bit? No?
I wish the NASM had a Board to which I could report your posts to have your CPT license revoked for malpractice.
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Because the general public has been mislead to believe what they want to hear. They find excuses to eat junk without feeling guilty about it. I know i'm in a very small minority but which does not mean I am wrong. Granted if you burn more energy than you take you will lose weight , BUT that is not always FAT. What that weight is consist of (muscle, fat, water), varies, with the quality / quantity of your calories, how much you take in at sitting, timing, exercise and much more. If i'm allowed to eat 2500 on a calorie deficit diet and I eat it all right before bed. Are you saying I will not gain any fat? Or will I wake up even more ripped than the day before?
As far as my part time job as a cpt I have not had any problems with any of my programs I create for my clients, so I do understand there is no changing your thought about this because you are close minded and this is pointless i just hope others who read this can at least think outside what they have been taught.
*off topic but marijuana is another thing people are misinformed about, and look what is happening all around the states. Legalization.0 -
Don't you find it even a little bit thought-provoking that you're in such a strong minority with this belief that you can actually increase mass while in a calorie deficit (or decrease mass while in a calorie surplus)? Just a little bit? No?
I wish the NASM had a Board to which I could report your posts to have your CPT license revoked for malpractice.
Because the general public has been mislead to believe what they want to hear. They find excuses to eat junk without feeling guilty about it. I know i'm in a very small minority but which does not mean I am wrong. Granted if you burn more energy than you take you will lose weight , BUT that is not always FAT. What that weight is consist of (muscle, fat, water), varies, with the quality / quantity of your calories, how much you take in at sitting, timing, exercise and much more. If i'm allowed to eat 2500 on a calorie deficit diet and I eat it all right before bed. Are you saying I will not gain any fat? Or will I wake up even more ripped than the day before?
As far as my part time job as a cpt I have not had any problems with any of my programs I create for my clients, so I do understand there is no changing your thought about this because you are close minded and this is pointless i just hope others who read this can at least think outside what they have been taught.
*off topic but marijuana is another thing people are misinformed about, and look what is happening all around the states. Legalization.
Dear God. I just can't even….no.0 -
Don't you find it even a little bit thought-provoking that you're in such a strong minority with this belief that you can actually increase mass while in a calorie deficit (or decrease mass while in a calorie surplus)? Just a little bit? No?
I wish the NASM had a Board to which I could report your posts to have your CPT license revoked for malpractice.
Because the general public has been mislead to believe what they want to hear. They find excuses to eat junk without feeling guilty about it. I know i'm in a very small minority but which does not mean I am wrong. Granted if you burn more energy than you take you will lose weight , BUT that is not always FAT. What that weight is consist of (muscle, fat, water), varies, with the quality / quantity of your calories, how much you take in at sitting, timing, exercise and much more. If i'm allowed to eat 2500 on a calorie deficit diet and I eat it all right before bed. Are you saying I will not gain any fat? Or will I wake up even more ripped than the day before?
As far as my part time job as a cpt I have not had any problems with any of my programs I create for my clients, so I do understand there is no changing your thought about this because you are close minded and this is pointless i just hope others who read this can at least think outside what they have been taught.
*off topic but marijuana is another thing people are misinformed about, and look what is happening all around the states. Legalization.
In this case, you are in the minority and you are very very wrong. Every time you post you say something even more wrong. Meal size and meal timing importance was refuted like 10 years ago. It absolutely does not matter how many meals you eat a day or how big each meal is as long as your calorie intake and macronutrient intakes are the same every day. You sound like a body builder from the 80's. Get with the times man, do a little research...0 -
quoting the first part of your post, not the NASM part. My goal is to hit about 195 and maintain, since I'll still have fat to turn to muscle, because my main goal is this, where I'll be working at a prison, say for instance, if an inmate tries to screw with me, and I end up grabbing him by the arm, I want his first thoughts to be =0 OH S**T. I don't want to surplus much after that, because I don't want to fail, I just want to get lean and cut first, (something I've never been, nor ever tried to do), then I'll try to bulk up, but I think 195 to 185 seems like a good weight to start cutting up, even if I start hitting the weights before I reach my goal of 185-195, it may help with the process of building muscle, But I am going to do what one of the girls said and just make all my meals contain more calories, like adding cheese and wrap bacon around a piece of chicken, etc..
You can't "turn fat into muscle" that's not how it works. Unless somebody is very obese in which case different circumstances apply, this is how it works: If you're running a calorie deficit you will always lose fat & muscle. If you're running a calorie surplus you will always gain fat & muscle. If you're running at maintenance you will maintain your weight, but it is possible to slowly increase muscle mass and slowly decrease body fat. Through proper macronutrient manipulation, strength training that incorporates progressive overload, and proper calorie deficit or surplus size, you can minimize muscle loss during a calorie deficit and you can minimize fat gain during a calorie surplus.
Yes true but I get the vibe on this website that people just want to eat whatever they want and as long as they stay under maintenance calories they will look good and lose fat. Not true.0 -
Don't you find it even a little bit thought-provoking that you're in such a strong minority with this belief that you can actually increase mass while in a calorie deficit (or decrease mass while in a calorie surplus)? Just a little bit? No?
I wish the NASM had a Board to which I could report your posts to have your CPT license revoked for malpractice.
Because the general public has been mislead to believe what they want to hear. They find excuses to eat junk without feeling guilty about it. I know i'm in a very small minority but which does not mean I am wrong. Granted if you burn more energy than you take you will lose weight , BUT that is not always FAT. What that weight is consist of (muscle, fat, water), varies, with the quality / quantity of your calories, how much you take in at sitting, timing, exercise and much more. If i'm allowed to eat 2500 on a calorie deficit diet and I eat it all right before bed. Are you saying I will not gain any fat? Or will I wake up even more ripped than the day before?
As far as my part time job as a cpt I have not had any problems with any of my programs I create for my clients, so I do understand there is no changing your thought about this because you are close minded and this is pointless i just hope others who read this can at least think outside what they have been taught.
*off topic but marijuana is another thing people are misinformed about, and look what is happening all around the states. Legalization.
In this case, you are in the minority and you are very very wrong. Every time you post you say something even more wrong. Meal size and meal timing importance was refuted like 10 years ago. It absolutely does not matter how many meals you eat a day or how big each meal is as long as your calorie intake and macronutrient intakes are the same every day. You sound like a body builder from the 80's. Get with the times man, do a little research...
okay now im done with you. meal timing means nothing .haha wow. dont get protein after your workout or what?0 -
Don't you find it even a little bit thought-provoking that you're in such a strong minority with this belief that you can actually increase mass while in a calorie deficit (or decrease mass while in a calorie surplus)? Just a little bit? No?
I wish the NASM had a Board to which I could report your posts to have your CPT license revoked for malpractice.
Because the general public has been mislead to believe what they want to hear. They find excuses to eat junk without feeling guilty about it. I know i'm in a very small minority but which does not mean I am wrong. Granted if you burn more energy than you take you will lose weight , BUT that is not always FAT. What that weight is consist of (muscle, fat, water), varies, with the quality / quantity of your calories, how much you take in at sitting, timing, exercise and much more. If i'm allowed to eat 2500 on a calorie deficit diet and I eat it all right before bed. Are you saying I will not gain any fat? Or will I wake up even more ripped than the day before?
As far as my part time job as a cpt I have not had any problems with any of my programs I create for my clients, so I do understand there is no changing your thought about this because you are close minded and this is pointless i just hope others who read this can at least think outside what they have been taught.
*off topic but marijuana is another thing people are misinformed about, and look what is happening all around the states. Legalization.
In this case, you are in the minority and you are very very wrong. Every time you post you say something even more wrong. Meal size and meal timing importance was refuted like 10 years ago. It absolutely does not matter how many meals you eat a day or how big each meal is as long as your calorie intake and macronutrient intakes are the same every day. You sound like a body builder from the 80's. Get with the times man, do a little research...
okay now im done with you. meal timing means nothing .haha wow. dont get protein after your workout or what?
Dude, please read any scientific papers on nutrition ever...
This is why I tell people not to take nutritional advice from personal trainers. Seems like most of you have no clue what you're talking about.
Read up: http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-10-53.pdf0 -
quoting the first part of your post, not the NASM part. My goal is to hit about 195 and maintain, since I'll still have fat to turn to muscle, because my main goal is this, where I'll be working at a prison, say for instance, if an inmate tries to screw with me, and I end up grabbing him by the arm, I want his first thoughts to be =0 OH S**T. I don't want to surplus much after that, because I don't want to fail, I just want to get lean and cut first, (something I've never been, nor ever tried to do), then I'll try to bulk up, but I think 195 to 185 seems like a good weight to start cutting up, even if I start hitting the weights before I reach my goal of 185-195, it may help with the process of building muscle, But I am going to do what one of the girls said and just make all my meals contain more calories, like adding cheese and wrap bacon around a piece of chicken, etc..
You can't "turn fat into muscle" that's not how it works. Unless somebody is very obese in which case different circumstances apply, this is how it works: If you're running a calorie deficit you will always lose fat & muscle. If you're running a calorie surplus you will always gain fat & muscle. If you're running at maintenance you will maintain your weight, but it is possible to slowly increase muscle mass and slowly decrease body fat. Through proper macronutrient manipulation, strength training that incorporates progressive overload, and proper calorie deficit or surplus size, you can minimize muscle loss during a calorie deficit and you can minimize fat gain during a calorie surplus.
Yes true but I get the vibe on this website that people just want to eat whatever they want and as long as they stay under maintenance calories they will look good and lose fat. Not true.
While I still aim to meet macros and micros, I do eat what I want...and I have lost fat.. a significant amount at that.
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Don't you find it even a little bit thought-provoking that you're in such a strong minority with this belief that you can actually increase mass while in a calorie deficit (or decrease mass while in a calorie surplus)? Just a little bit? No?
I wish the NASM had a Board to which I could report your posts to have your CPT license revoked for malpractice.
Because the general public has been mislead to believe what they want to hear. They find excuses to eat junk without feeling guilty about it. I know i'm in a very small minority but which does not mean I am wrong. Granted if you burn more energy than you take you will lose weight , BUT that is not always FAT. What that weight is consist of (muscle, fat, water), varies, with the quality / quantity of your calories, how much you take in at sitting, timing, exercise and much more. If i'm allowed to eat 2500 on a calorie deficit diet and I eat it all right before bed. Are you saying I will not gain any fat? Or will I wake up even more ripped than the day before?
As far as my part time job as a cpt I have not had any problems with any of my programs I create for my clients, so I do understand there is no changing your thought about this because you are close minded and this is pointless i just hope others who read this can at least think outside what they have been taught.
*off topic but marijuana is another thing people are misinformed about, and look what is happening all around the states. Legalization.
So you believe meal timing is materially relevant for weight too??? (Do you promise you aren't long-con trolling us? C'mon, be honest here.)
I have moved my overall weight 20 pounds less and 15 pound more than my current weight. I can move it at will (over time) based on total calories and supported by almost three years of data. I've done this while eating strict paleo for an entire year and I've done it with a drastically freer approach. The math held up with each approach without any correlative difference in body composition.
And *I* am close-minded because I won't believe your...interesting theories??? LOL
For reference, here is my food diary: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/jofjltncb6
It looks to be more nutritionally diverse than yours. From your logic, I suppose I should be more ripped than I am...or something.
Literally SMH.
edit: to fix busted quotes.0 -
Its cool just keep suggesting that people who are overweight can eat whatever they want and they'll get results as long they eat under maintenance calories.0
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*off topic* I'm up for the marijuana legalization.. Always have been, used to smoke all the time in College, weird thing is, I was in awesome shape all through college, but when my wife got pregnant, I quit, because after college needed a job. I always enjoyed it after a day in the gym, helped me relax, and play music ;p. I'd rather smoke than take any kind of medicine if I could.
but back on topic. So when I drop to my weight of 195 or 185, if I maintain that weight, would I be able to build muscle, and get lean? if so, would I have to consume more calories and protein to get bigger (muscle wise)?0 -
Its cool just keep suggesting that people who are overweight can eat whatever they want and they'll get results as long they eat under maintenance calories.
You can eat whatever you want and get results, you just cant eat as much as you want, while paying attention to your macros0 -
Its cool just keep suggesting that people who are overweight can eat whatever they want and they'll get results as long they eat under maintenance calories.
Stop twisting people's words. You absolutely SHOULDN'T eat whatever you want to stay under your maintenance calories and lose weight. You SHOULD hit certain macronutrient, micronutrient, and fiber goals every day. Now in order to do that, most of the food you eat is going to end up being nutritious, minimally processed food, but you can ALSO eat processed food or other food that you enjoy in moderation and it actually HELPS you stay on your diet and prevents binges. It's a win-win situation. Also, bottom line, even if you threw macronutrients aside, it can be argued that it is healthier for those who are obese to eat WHATEVER they want as long as they're losing weight than for them to eat "healthy" but maintain their weight. Getting to a healthy weight is the most important thing.0 -
I'd go about 250 calories a day higher than maintenance with 6-12 rep range workouts. This way you"ll gain .5 lbs every weeks of mostly muscle. make sure its good carbs because you wont grow with crap ice cream carbs*off topic* I'm up for the marijuana legalization.. Always have been, used to smoke all the time in College, weird thing is, I was in awesome shape all through college, but when my wife got pregnant, I quit, because after college needed a job. I always enjoyed it after a day in the gym, helped me relax, and play music ;p. I'd rather smoke than take any kind of medicine if I could.
but back on topic. So when I drop to my weight of 195 or 185, if I maintain that weight, would I be able to build muscle, and get lean? if so, would I have to consume more calories and protein to get bigger (muscle wise)?0 -
Im not twisting any words, a calorie is a calorie correct? so i eat 250 calories less than my maintenance ill lose fat no matter what i eat? now im confused what you original statement was.Its cool just keep suggesting that people who are overweight can eat whatever they want and they'll get results as long they eat under maintenance calories.
Stop twisting people's words. You absolutely SHOULDN'T eat whatever you want to stay under your maintenance calories and lose weight. You SHOULD hit certain macronutrient, micronutrient, and fiber goals every day. Now in order to do that, most of the food you eat is going to end up being nutritious, minimally processed food, but you can ALSO eat processed food or other food that you enjoy in moderation and it actually HELPS you stay on your diet and prevents binges. It's a win-win situation. Also, bottom line, even if you threw macronutrients aside, it can be argued that it is healthier for those who are obese to eat WHATEVER they want as long as their losing their weight then for them to eat "healthy" but maintain their weight. Getting to a healthy weight is the most important thing.0 -
Im not twisting any words, a calorie is a calorie correct? so i eat 250 calories less than my maintenance ill lose fat no matter what i eat? now im confused what you original statement was.Its cool just keep suggesting that people who are overweight can eat whatever they want and they'll get results as long they eat under maintenance calories.
Stop twisting people's words. You absolutely SHOULDN'T eat whatever you want to stay under your maintenance calories and lose weight. You SHOULD hit certain macronutrient, micronutrient, and fiber goals every day. Now in order to do that, most of the food you eat is going to end up being nutritious, minimally processed food, but you can ALSO eat processed food or other food that you enjoy in moderation and it actually HELPS you stay on your diet and prevents binges. It's a win-win situation. Also, bottom line, even if you threw macronutrients aside, it can be argued that it is healthier for those who are obese to eat WHATEVER they want as long as their losing their weight then for them to eat "healthy" but maintain their weight. Getting to a healthy weight is the most important thing.
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Its cool just keep suggesting that people who are overweight can eat whatever they want and they'll get results as long they eat under maintenance calories.
You can eat whatever you want and get results, you just cant eat as much as you want, while paying attention to your macros
Those results are not necessarily good results. more likely I would increase my blood pressure and increase my chance of heart problems like most americans will0
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