Ephedrine?
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there is no crash if you take them correctly. just like weaning yourself onto the dosage you wean yourself off so no crash is experienced
Studies indicate otherwise.Here's the for reals...
Stimulants can help provide energy for a workout. They do NOT cause fat loss, NONE of them. I've tried just about every stimulant there is, and none of them work for fat loss. They work for energy. Some are good for sex, others not so much. But none of them cause fat loss. Period. And NONE of them will make your heart jump out of your chest from a single dose. You have reached overdose level if you go the hospital over any stimulant. Don't overdose. Better yet, stick to caffeine and ginseng. They are the safest, cheapest, and easiest to give you a bit of a boost without causing other health problems.
There.
Now.
/thread
http://examine.com/show_rubric_effect.php?id=33&effect=Weight&selection=all
http://examine.com/show_rubric_effect.php?id=33&effect=Fat Mass&selection=all
http://examine.com/show_rubric_effect.php?id=33&effect=Metabolic Rate&selection=all
http://examine.com/show_rubric_effect.php?id=81&effect=Metabolic Rate&selection=all
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8384187
Over a period of 12 weeks. Did they follow these people after their crash?0 -
No stimulants do not help with fat loss directly. Stimulants are basically only good for appetite suppression so that may help with fat loss indirectly but that it due to appetite suppression allowing you to eat less. It's still about caloric deficit.
stimulants do help with fat loss tho, so im not sure where you got that info from. also caffeine is a stimulant, and one of the most recommended ones for fat loss at thatHere's the for reals...
Stimulants can help provide energy for a workout. They do NOT cause fat loss, NONE of them. I've tried just about every stimulant there is, and none of them work for fat loss. They work for energy. Some are good for sex, others not so much. But none of them cause fat loss. Period. And NONE of them will make your heart jump out of your chest from a single dose. You have reached overdose level if you go the hospital over any stimulant. Don't overdose. Better yet, stick to caffeine and ginseng. They are the safest, cheapest, and easiest to give you a bit of a boost without causing other health problems.
There.
Now.
/thread
Right. That's what I was trying to get at. But once the drug has left your system, your appetite returns. If someone knows of a stimulant that both causes appetite suppression and no crash when the drug leaves your system, then let me know. But I've tried everything that's on the market, both prescription and non, and those found in the streets, and they either don't cause appetite suppression or they *do* cause a crash with subsequent binge-fest.0 -
just because they didnt work for you doesnt mean they dont work at all. im not condoning the use of them im just stating that factual truth. i have friends who've taken stimulants (ECA stack) to great effect, and kept the weight off after
stimulants do help with fat loss tho, so im not sure where you got that info from. also caffeine is a stimulant, and one of the most recommended ones for fat loss at thatHere's the for reals...
Stimulants can help provide energy for a workout. They do NOT cause fat loss, NONE of them. I've tried just about every stimulant there is, and none of them work for fat loss. They work for energy. Some are good for sex, others not so much. But none of them cause fat loss. Period. And NONE of them will make your heart jump out of your chest from a single dose. You have reached overdose level if you go the hospital over any stimulant. Don't overdose. Better yet, stick to caffeine and ginseng. They are the safest, cheapest, and easiest to give you a bit of a boost without causing other health problems.
There.
Now.
/thread
No. They. Don't.
As soon as you quit taking them, the fat comes back, and THEN some. They work for a day, a week, a month, maybe. But you can't keep using forever, or you wind up in the hospital. Then the drug leaves your system, and you're hungry as all get out and you eat everything in sight.
Been there. Done it.
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On a serious note OP..you don't need stimulants. Dedication, hard work, and educating yourself on your goals will be a lot more beneficial in the long run.0
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there is no crash if you take them correctly. just like weaning yourself onto the dosage you wean yourself off so no crash is experienced
Studies indicate otherwise.Here's the for reals...
Stimulants can help provide energy for a workout. They do NOT cause fat loss, NONE of them. I've tried just about every stimulant there is, and none of them work for fat loss. They work for energy. Some are good for sex, others not so much. But none of them cause fat loss. Period. And NONE of them will make your heart jump out of your chest from a single dose. You have reached overdose level if you go the hospital over any stimulant. Don't overdose. Better yet, stick to caffeine and ginseng. They are the safest, cheapest, and easiest to give you a bit of a boost without causing other health problems.
There.
Now.
/thread
http://examine.com/show_rubric_effect.php?id=33&effect=Weight&selection=all
http://examine.com/show_rubric_effect.php?id=33&effect=Fat Mass&selection=all
http://examine.com/show_rubric_effect.php?id=33&effect=Metabolic Rate&selection=all
http://examine.com/show_rubric_effect.php?id=81&effect=Metabolic Rate&selection=all
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8384187
Over a period of 12 weeks. Did they follow these people after their crash?
:laugh:
Yeah., like occasionally for a cold or sinus congestion, which is the currently accepted use for ephedrine. But occasional use of ephedrine will not cause long term fat loss.0 -
'On a serious note OP..you don't need stimulants. Dedication, hard work, and educating yourself on your goals will be a lot more beneficial in the long run.
YEP!
This is the truth. I've been down this road, and it's not one you want to be on. Put in the hard work of proper diet and exercise and save yourself heartache and an empty wallet.0 -
It makes my heart feel like it's going to explode.
I figured it can't be good for me.
At best, it'll make me burn an extra 100-300 calories a day. I'd rather just skip the Snickers bar than wonder if I'm about to have an aneurysm all day long.0 -
im not sure what your trying to say here. lets just say this; find me a study that shows stimulants have no effect on fat loss, and we can end this discussion now. otherwise, accept the fact that you may be wrong on this one
there is no crash if you take them correctly. just like weaning yourself onto the dosage you wean yourself off so no crash is experienced
Studies indicate otherwise.Here's the for reals...
Stimulants can help provide energy for a workout. They do NOT cause fat loss, NONE of them. I've tried just about every stimulant there is, and none of them work for fat loss. They work for energy. Some are good for sex, others not so much. But none of them cause fat loss. Period. And NONE of them will make your heart jump out of your chest from a single dose. You have reached overdose level if you go the hospital over any stimulant. Don't overdose. Better yet, stick to caffeine and ginseng. They are the safest, cheapest, and easiest to give you a bit of a boost without causing other health problems.
There.
Now.
/thread
http://examine.com/show_rubric_effect.php?id=33&effect=Weight&selection=all
http://examine.com/show_rubric_effect.php?id=33&effect=Fat Mass&selection=all
http://examine.com/show_rubric_effect.php?id=33&effect=Metabolic Rate&selection=all
http://examine.com/show_rubric_effect.php?id=81&effect=Metabolic Rate&selection=all
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8384187
Over a period of 12 weeks. Did they follow these people after their crash?
:laugh:
Yeah., like occasionally for a cold or sinus congestion, which is the currently accepted use for ephedrine. But occasional use of ephedrine will not cause long term fat loss.0 -
Ugh, why did people have to turn this into a discussion, the hilarity behind the fear mongering was awesome.
Seriously OP google is your friend. The people who are saying do your research are correct before you try something like this. For those who think it is somehow more life threatening than other drugs on the market, that are legal mind you......lol
Ha! Because I have learned that fear-mongering causes the "forbidden fruit" element which means OP will run out and buy a bunch of pills and maybe even OD. Truth is the best way to prevent drug abuse. :flowerforyou:0 -
stimulants do help with fat loss tho, so im not sure where you got that info from. also caffeine is a stimulant, and one of the most recommended ones for fat loss at thatHere's the for reals...
Stimulants can help provide energy for a workout. They do NOT cause fat loss, NONE of them. I've tried just about every stimulant there is, and none of them work for fat loss. They work for energy. Some are good for sex, others not so much. But none of them cause fat loss. Period. And NONE of them will make your heart jump out of your chest from a single dose. You have reached overdose level if you go the hospital over any stimulant. Don't overdose. Better yet, stick to caffeine and ginseng. They are the safest, cheapest, and easiest to give you a bit of a boost without causing other health problems.
There.
Now.
/thread
No. They. Don't.
As soon as you quit taking them, the fat comes back, and THEN some. They work for a day, a week, a month, maybe. But you can't keep using forever, or you wind up in the hospital. Then the drug leaves your system, and you're hungry as all get out and you eat everything in sight.
Been there. Done it.
ETA: Fat loss is caused by a calorie deficit, not from a magic pill.
Some stimulants increase caloric expenditure. There's still the calorie intake side of the equation though.0 -
Ugh, why did people have to turn this into a discussion, the hilarity behind the fear mongering was awesome.
Seriously OP google is your friend. The people who are saying do your research are correct before you try something like this. For those who think it is somehow more life threatening than other drugs on the market, that are legal mind you......lol
Ha! Because I have learned that fear-mongering causes the "forbidden fruit" element which means OP will run out and buy a bunch of pills and maybe even OD. Truth is the best way to prevent drug abuse. :flowerforyou:
That's already been proven true by the response of, "Oh death? But I can still do this if I'm "smarter" about it, right?" :laugh:0 -
stimulants do help with fat loss tho, so im not sure where you got that info from. also caffeine is a stimulant, and one of the most recommended ones for fat loss at thatHere's the for reals...
Stimulants can help provide energy for a workout. They do NOT cause fat loss, NONE of them. I've tried just about every stimulant there is, and none of them work for fat loss. They work for energy. Some are good for sex, others not so much. But none of them cause fat loss. Period. And NONE of them will make your heart jump out of your chest from a single dose. You have reached overdose level if you go the hospital over any stimulant. Don't overdose. Better yet, stick to caffeine and ginseng. They are the safest, cheapest, and easiest to give you a bit of a boost without causing other health problems.
There.
Now.
/thread
No. They. Don't.
As soon as you quit taking them, the fat comes back, and THEN some. They work for a day, a week, a month, maybe. But you can't keep using forever, or you wind up in the hospital. Then the drug leaves your system, and you're hungry as all get out and you eat everything in sight.
Been there. Done it.
ETA: Fat loss is caused by a calorie deficit, not from a magic pill.
Some stimulants increase caloric expenditure. There's still the calorie intake side of the equation though.
That's very true.
And it's calories that matter. And it's *habits* that matter for the long term.0 -
Ugh, why did people have to turn this into a discussion, the hilarity behind the fear mongering was awesome.
Seriously OP google is your friend. The people who are saying do your research are correct before you try something like this. For those who think it is somehow more life threatening than other drugs on the market, that are legal mind you......lol
Ha! Because I have learned that fear-mongering causes the "forbidden fruit" element which means OP will run out and buy a bunch of pills and maybe even OD. Truth is the best way to prevent drug abuse. :flowerforyou:
That's already been proven true by the response of, "Oh death? But I can still do this if I'm "smarter" about it, right?" :laugh:
Exactly! :laugh:0 -
it's one of the main ingredients used for making Meth. ..... just sayin... sketch.0
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I used to LOVE this stuff, like 15 years ago when i didnt know any better.0
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Yep. I used it in high school as a high and to stay skinny. I was skinny, weak, and really unhealthy. It was stupid time in my life and I regret it.
Ephedrine is for respiratory problems, not for weight loss.0 -
stimulants do help with fat loss tho, so im not sure where you got that info from. also caffeine is a stimulant, and one of the most recommended ones for fat loss at thatHere's the for reals...
Stimulants can help provide energy for a workout. They do NOT cause fat loss, NONE of them. I've tried just about every stimulant there is, and none of them work for fat loss. They work for energy. Some are good for sex, others not so much. But none of them cause fat loss. Period. And NONE of them will make your heart jump out of your chest from a single dose. You have reached overdose level if you go the hospital over any stimulant. Don't overdose. Better yet, stick to caffeine and ginseng. They are the safest, cheapest, and easiest to give you a bit of a boost without causing other health problems.
There.
Now.
/thread
No. They. Don't.
As soon as you quit taking them, the fat comes back, and THEN some. They work for a day, a week, a month, maybe. But you can't keep using forever, or you wind up in the hospital. Then the drug leaves your system, and you're hungry as all get out and you eat everything in sight.
Been there. Done it.
ETA: Fat loss is caused by a calorie deficit, not from a magic pill.
Some stimulants increase caloric expenditure. There's still the calorie intake side of the equation though.
That's very true.
And it's calories that matter. And it's *habits* that matter for the long term.
Well, yes. I don't think stimulants are a good idea for weight loss, and they probably won't help long term, but in the short term I think it's accurate to say they can help with fat loss. They come with significant side effects though.
There are also other compounds which dramatically increase fat loss, but are banned outright.
Really, it turns out that using drugs to increase metabolism in the human body is rather fraught with peril. Anything that increases metabolism enough to have a significant effect on fat loss is also quite likely to kill you.0 -
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Yep. I used it in high school as a high and to stay skinny. I was skinny, weak, and really unhealthy. It was stupid time in my life and I regret it.
Ephedrine is for respiratory problems, not for weight loss.
I used it in college. I wanted it to help me lose weight but really all it was good for was staying awake in class, and for that it was great.0 -
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stimulants do help with fat loss tho, so im not sure where you got that info from. also caffeine is a stimulant, and one of the most recommended ones for fat loss at thatHere's the for reals...
Stimulants can help provide energy for a workout. They do NOT cause fat loss, NONE of them. I've tried just about every stimulant there is, and none of them work for fat loss. They work for energy. Some are good for sex, others not so much. But none of them cause fat loss. Period. And NONE of them will make your heart jump out of your chest from a single dose. You have reached overdose level if you go the hospital over any stimulant. Don't overdose. Better yet, stick to caffeine and ginseng. They are the safest, cheapest, and easiest to give you a bit of a boost without causing other health problems.
There.
Now.
/thread
No. They. Don't.
As soon as you quit taking them, the fat comes back, and THEN some. They work for a day, a week, a month, maybe. But you can't keep using forever, or you wind up in the hospital. Then the drug leaves your system, and you're hungry as all get out and you eat everything in sight.
Been there. Done it.
ETA: Fat loss is caused by a calorie deficit, not from a magic pill.
Some stimulants increase caloric expenditure. There's still the calorie intake side of the equation though.
That's very true.
And it's calories that matter. And it's *habits* that matter for the long term.
Well, yes. I don't think stimulants are a good idea for weight loss, and they probably won't help long term, but in the short term I think it's accurate to say they can help with fat loss. They come with significant side effects though.
There are also other compounds which dramatically increase fat loss, but are banned outright.
Really, it turns out that using drugs to increase metabolism in the human body is rather fraught with peril. Anything that increases metabolism enough to have a significant effect on fat loss is also quite likely to kill you.
Are you trying to help OP, or are you just trying to nitpick my post?0 -
it's one of the main ingredients used for making Meth. ..... just sayin... sketch.
Awesome logic, isn't water used as well for making meth?0 -
stimulants do help with fat loss tho, so im not sure where you got that info from. also caffeine is a stimulant, and one of the most recommended ones for fat loss at thatHere's the for reals...
Stimulants can help provide energy for a workout. They do NOT cause fat loss, NONE of them. I've tried just about every stimulant there is, and none of them work for fat loss. They work for energy. Some are good for sex, others not so much. But none of them cause fat loss. Period. And NONE of them will make your heart jump out of your chest from a single dose. You have reached overdose level if you go the hospital over any stimulant. Don't overdose. Better yet, stick to caffeine and ginseng. They are the safest, cheapest, and easiest to give you a bit of a boost without causing other health problems.
There.
Now.
/thread
No. They. Don't.
As soon as you quit taking them, the fat comes back, and THEN some. They work for a day, a week, a month, maybe. But you can't keep using forever, or you wind up in the hospital. Then the drug leaves your system, and you're hungry as all get out and you eat everything in sight.
Been there. Done it.
ETA: Fat loss is caused by a calorie deficit, not from a magic pill.
Some stimulants increase caloric expenditure. There's still the calorie intake side of the equation though.
That's very true.
And it's calories that matter. And it's *habits* that matter for the long term.
Well, yes. I don't think stimulants are a good idea for weight loss, and they probably won't help long term, but in the short term I think it's accurate to say they can help with fat loss. They come with significant side effects though.
There are also other compounds which dramatically increase fat loss, but are banned outright.
Really, it turns out that using drugs to increase metabolism in the human body is rather fraught with peril. Anything that increases metabolism enough to have a significant effect on fat loss is also quite likely to kill you.
Are you trying to help OP, or are you just trying to nitpick my post?
Are those the only two options?
I'm just talking. Having a discussion.0 -
ok bud, everything youve said is based off of your opinion, not fact. lying to this guy about supplements isnt going to help him make an informed decision
No they don't increase your metabolism. Yes I have heard of thermogenics and thermogenics are garbage. A waste of money. A product for the supplement companies to make some quick easy money from people that want a quick fix and don't want to put in the time and effort needed to succeed. You can believe if you want that they actually work, I will pick you up on my pet unicorn later on and we'll grab a slice of pizza to discuss your results.
they also increase your metabolism allowing for a greater deficit at the same level of calorie intake. ever heard of thermogenics?
No stimulants do not help with fat loss directly. Stimulants are basically only good for appetite suppression so that may help with fat loss indirectly but that it due to appetite suppression allowing you to eat less. It's still about caloric deficit.
stimulants do help with fat loss tho, so im not sure where you got that info from. also caffeine is a stimulant, and one of the most recommended ones for fat loss at thatHere's the for reals...
Stimulants can help provide energy for a workout. They do NOT cause fat loss, NONE of them. I've tried just about every stimulant there is, and none of them work for fat loss. They work for energy. Some are good for sex, others not so much. But none of them cause fat loss. Period. And NONE of them will make your heart jump out of your chest from a single dose. You have reached overdose level if you go the hospital over any stimulant. Don't overdose. Better yet, stick to caffeine and ginseng. They are the safest, cheapest, and easiest to give you a bit of a boost without causing other health problems.
There.
Now.
/thread
on a side note id love to take that unicorn ride with you0 -
No they don't increase your metabolism. Yes I have heard of thermogenics and thermogenics are garbage. A waste of money. A product for the supplement companies to make some quick easy money from people that want a quick fix and don't want to put in the time and effort needed to succeed. You can believe if you want that they actually work, I will pick you up on my pet unicorn later on and we'll grab a slice of pizza to discuss your results.
they also increase your metabolism allowing for a greater deficit at the same level of calorie intake. ever heard of thermogenics?
No stimulants do not help with fat loss directly. Stimulants are basically only good for appetite suppression so that may help with fat loss indirectly but that it due to appetite suppression allowing you to eat less. It's still about caloric deficit.
stimulants do help with fat loss tho, so im not sure where you got that info from. also caffeine is a stimulant, and one of the most recommended ones for fat loss at thatHere's the for reals...
Stimulants can help provide energy for a workout. They do NOT cause fat loss, NONE of them. I've tried just about every stimulant there is, and none of them work for fat loss. They work for energy. Some are good for sex, others not so much. But none of them cause fat loss. Period. And NONE of them will make your heart jump out of your chest from a single dose. You have reached overdose level if you go the hospital over any stimulant. Don't overdose. Better yet, stick to caffeine and ginseng. They are the safest, cheapest, and easiest to give you a bit of a boost without causing other health problems.
There.
Now.
/thread
Can I have a ride too? :bigsmile: :devil:0 -
Here's a thought... get a revolver, put one bullet in the cylinder. Spin the cylinder then pull the trigger. Pretty much the same odds as taking ephedrine.
NO, I'm NOT really suggesting you play real Russian Roulette.
But seriously, don't take the stuff. It's really really bad for you. about as bad for you as the bullet.
Diet and exercise. They work.0 -
stimulants do help with fat loss tho, so im not sure where you got that info from. also caffeine is a stimulant, and one of the most recommended ones for fat loss at thatHere's the for reals...
Stimulants can help provide energy for a workout. They do NOT cause fat loss, NONE of them. I've tried just about every stimulant there is, and none of them work for fat loss. They work for energy. Some are good for sex, others not so much. But none of them cause fat loss. Period. And NONE of them will make your heart jump out of your chest from a single dose. You have reached overdose level if you go the hospital over any stimulant. Don't overdose. Better yet, stick to caffeine and ginseng. They are the safest, cheapest, and easiest to give you a bit of a boost without causing other health problems.
There.
Now.
/thread
No. They. Don't.
As soon as you quit taking them, the fat comes back, and THEN some. They work for a day, a week, a month, maybe. But you can't keep using forever, or you wind up in the hospital. Then the drug leaves your system, and you're hungry as all get out and you eat everything in sight.
Been there. Done it.
ETA: Fat loss is caused by a calorie deficit, not from a magic pill.
Some stimulants increase caloric expenditure. There's still the calorie intake side of the equation though.
That's very true.
And it's calories that matter. And it's *habits* that matter for the long term.
Well, yes. I don't think stimulants are a good idea for weight loss, and they probably won't help long term, but in the short term I think it's accurate to say they can help with fat loss. They come with significant side effects though.
There are also other compounds which dramatically increase fat loss, but are banned outright.
Really, it turns out that using drugs to increase metabolism in the human body is rather fraught with peril. Anything that increases metabolism enough to have a significant effect on fat loss is also quite likely to kill you.
Are you trying to help OP, or are you just trying to nitpick my post?
Are those the only two options?
I'm just talking. Having a discussion.
:laugh:
Just asking. It sounded like you were encouraging OP to use ephedrine instead of obtaining permanent success through diet and exercise. By all means, post what you will. :smokin:
I think long-term success is more important than temporary "feel-goods."0 -
Here's a thought... get a revolver, put one bullet in the cylinder. Spin the cylinder then pull the trigger. Pretty much the same odds as taking ephedrine.
NO, I'm NOT really suggesting you play real Russian Roulette.
But seriously, don't take the stuff. It's really really bad for you. about as bad for you as the bullet.
Diet and exercise. They work.
Well that's not fear mongering at all. Please substantiate that nonsense0 -
Here's a thought... get a revolver, put one bullet in the cylinder. Spin the cylinder then pull the trigger. Pretty much the same odds as taking ephedrine.
NO, I'm NOT really suggesting you play real Russian Roulette.
But seriously, don't take the stuff. It's really really bad for you. about as bad for you as the bullet.
Diet and exercise. They work.
That is a bit of an exaggeration eh?0
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