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  • FitMe758
    FitMe758 Posts: 177 Member
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    I'm not whether you are doing this to lower your cholesterol, but when mine was high and I had to watch my diet for that purpose, I couldn't eat shrimp. I love it, but it has TONS of cholesterol so beware.
  • Slacker16
    Slacker16 Posts: 1,184 Member
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    ITT: people telling someone to disregard their cardiologist's advice without knowing why the advice was sought after or on the basis of what it was given.

    Never change, internet.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
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    ITT: people telling someone to disregard their cardiologist's advice without knowing why the advice was sought after or on the basis of what it was given.

    Never change, internet.
    As far as I've seen, the cardiologist never told her the reason to begin with. Which is kinda weird to begin with.
  • LoupGarouTFTs
    LoupGarouTFTs Posts: 916 Member
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    ITT: people telling someone to disregard their cardiologist's advice without knowing why the advice was sought after or on the basis of what it was given.

    Never change, internet.

    I think most people have been suggesting that the OP get a second opinion, because 1) the science behind the recommendation has been disproven, 2) a cardiologist doesn't have much training in nutrition, and 3) getting a second opinion before altering one's life or lifestyle or body in an extreme manner is the right thing to do.

    And, just as a little aside for the meat portion of the thread, sometimes "intensive" farming actually improves the environment.:

    http://feedstuffsfoodlink.com/story-brazils-ag-policy-cut-ghgs-71-112027
  • Slacker16
    Slacker16 Posts: 1,184 Member
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    I think most people have been suggesting that the OP get a second opinion, because 1) the science behind the recommendation has been disproven, 2) a cardiologist doesn't have much training in nutrition, and 3) getting a second opinion before altering one's life or lifestyle or body in an extreme manner is the right thing to do.
    Second opinion is fine, referral to a dietitian is also fine, but remember that a second opinion from a cardiologist would still come from someone with personal biases and little training in nutrition and that dietitians (aside from having personal biases) are less regulated than cardiologists.

    If the second opinion confirms the first one, do you keep shopping until someone tells you what you want to hear? If it doesn't which one do you listen to, do you seek a third one to cut the knot?

    I'm with Kymmu, try it short term and see if it works for you.
  • greenmonstergirl
    greenmonstergirl Posts: 619 Member
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    I would rather die than not have my extra rare steak!!!


    Moooooo....come back here cow!
  • LoupGarouTFTs
    LoupGarouTFTs Posts: 916 Member
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    I think most people have been suggesting that the OP get a second opinion, because 1) the science behind the recommendation has been disproven, 2) a cardiologist doesn't have much training in nutrition, and 3) getting a second opinion before altering one's life or lifestyle or body in an extreme manner is the right thing to do.
    Second opinion is fine, referral to a dietitian is also fine, but remember that a second opinion from a cardiologist would still come from someone with personal biases and little training in nutrition and that dietitians (aside from having personal biases) are less regulated than cardiologists.

    If the second opinion confirms the first one, do you keep shopping until someone tells you what you want to hear? If it doesn't which one do you listen to, do you seek a third one to cut the knot?

    I'm with Kymmu, try it short term and see if it works for you.

    Every group comes with personal biases, but forcing lifestyle changes on patients to suit one's own ideology is unethical. I still don't see the point of wasting time "trying" something that is based on outdated science. As to doctor shopping . . . no doubt some people do. However, it's the patient's responsibility to research the advice given to him/her and determine if it's bast on facts or ideology and, depending on which it is, to determine whether s/he can follow that advice or not.
  • 3dogsrunning
    3dogsrunning Posts: 27,167 Member
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    I think most people have been suggesting that the OP get a second opinion, because 1) the science behind the recommendation has been disproven, 2) a cardiologist doesn't have much training in nutrition, and 3) getting a second opinion before altering one's life or lifestyle or body in an extreme manner is the right thing to do.
    Second opinion is fine, referral to a dietitian is also fine, but remember that a second opinion from a cardiologist would still come from someone with personal biases and little training in nutrition and that dietitians (aside from having personal biases) are less regulated than cardiologists.

    If the second opinion confirms the first one, do you keep shopping until someone tells you what you want to hear? If it doesn't which one do you listen to, do you seek a third one to cut the knot?

    I'm with kymmu, try it short term and see if it works for you.

    Eh, it depends on the doctor. My own doctor is a GP but also delivers babies. She keeps very up to date on everything related to that and seeks out information beyond what she was just taught. I trust her opinion on anything related to that for that reason. She has some different opinions outside of the old standard advice. That said, she isn't into running. When I went to see her about a running injury, she gave the same old standard advice that was probably taught to her way back when. I have another doctor friend who has an interest in fitness/running that I turn to for opinions on such (usually very different than my own doctor's).
    Some cardiologists may have a particular interest in nutrition as it relates to their field. It is possible to get training outside of their standard training.
    I don't suggest people second guess their doctor, but I also don't believe in blindly following all advice either. I don't think there is anything wrong with doing a little of your own research so you know what questions to ask, and possibly consulting someone else to see what they think.
  • theresa7576
    theresa7576 Posts: 46 Member
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    I have always had high cholesterol (thanks dad) over three different checks.. the first eating low fat. higher carb diet was my worst.. my best numbers?? Atkins/south beach.. meat cheese and nuts. and I finally had low cholesterol. just goes to show you that despite what doctors think they know.. they don't always. the numbers don't lie... I avoid crappy carbs like the plague. and I've never felt better.
  • Slacker16
    Slacker16 Posts: 1,184 Member
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    Every group comes with personal biases, but forcing lifestyle changes on patients to suit one's own ideology is unethical. I still don't see the point of wasting time "trying" something that is based on outdated science.
    Three things and I'm out:

    1) None of us know why the advice was given, so why read ideology or outdated science into it? Especially considering that the outdated science that was brought up was about red meat which isn't applicable here.

    2) Running from specialist to specialist takes up a good bit of time, not to mention money, in and of itself. As I said before, getting a second opinion is fine but unless you know what you'll do with it why bother...

    3) The OP said she'll take the advice after many months of rejecting it, which implies that she's already tried the "do nothing and hope for the best" diet and found it lacking.
  • leantool
    leantool Posts: 365 Member
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    What's wrong with a skinless chicken?
  • Mygsds
    Mygsds Posts: 1,564 Member
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    I'm sorry to hear about your health problems. My dad's family has heart issues (his father had a heart attack at 50) and hereditary high cholesterol. My dad doesn't eat eggs, red meat... But he does eat chicken and turkey in moderation.

    Hereditary heart / cholesterol problems are scary

    They are scary...but they are not caused by eating red meat or eggs.

    I started all of this diet and fitness stuff about 18 months ago with highly elevated LDL cholesterol levels, low HDL levels, off the chart triglycerides, and borderline diabetic blood sugar levels. Even though much of this is hereditary...my dad had type II diabetes, stage III kidney failure, and heart disease and recently passed away at the ripe old age of 61...I've been able to completely reverse it all through diet and exercise...and I eat all of the animals (and fish), eggs every day, tons of vegetables and fruit and whole grains and legumes.

    Any recent study is going to show that there's really no direct correlation to eating meat and high cholesterol levels and the idea that dietary cholesterol causes high blood serum levels was debunked years ago. These health issues are a culmination of hereditary factors along with overall diet and fitness (or lack thereof), not really one specific thing like red meat.
    This is what my cardiologist did for me.. He made an appointment for me to see a nutritionist and she never said no red meat. She told me no more than twice a week for red meat otherwise she said other meats were fine and NEVER organ meats like liver. No problem there because I would not ever eat that. See a nutritionist because that is their profession and possibly open up new ideas for you.. Good luck
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
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    What's wrong with a skinless chicken?

    It's naked! Ewwwwww
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
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    High cholesterol levels in itself are not bad, what makes it become bad is a diet high in foods which are inflammatory and cause oxidation.

    I would suggest doing your own research, but these foods are not eggs, red meat or saturated fat.

    Studies has should and there is also plenty of anecdotal evidence to suggest that a diet high in saturated fat and low in carbs can decrease levels of triglycerides and increase the partial size of LDL's.

    The fat to stay clear of is man made trans fats.

    Also exercise has been shown to increase Hdl levels.

    Best advice - do plenty of your own research and question everything ( even advice from dr's and dietitians).
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
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    High cholesterol levels in itself are not bad

    I think you would have serious trouble supporting this assertion.
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
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    High cholesterol levels in itself are not bad

    I think you would have serious trouble supporting this assertion.

    Okay, I'll bite.

    So are LDL particles which have not been oxidised dangerous?
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    High cholesterol levels in itself are not bad

    I think you would have serious trouble supporting this assertion.

    Okay, I'll bite.

    So are LDL particles which have not been oxidised dangerous?

    (When you guys are done with this particular discussion...(which strangely enough, I think I'm mostly on tennis' side of this one)...don't forget about the unresolved questions a few pages back re environmental impact of pastured grass-fed/finished beef vs. similar calories of crops.)
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
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    High cholesterol levels in itself are not bad

    I think you would have serious trouble supporting this assertion.

    Okay, I'll bite.

    So are LDL particles which have not been oxidised dangerous?

    (When you guys are done with this particular discussion...(which strangely enough, I think I'm mostly on tennis' side of this one)...don't forget about the unresolved questions a few pages back re environmental impact of pastured grass-fed/finished beef vs. similar calories of crops.)

    No ideas on that one I'm afraid. Lol
  • JRV84
    JRV84 Posts: 6
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    Well, first off I was referred to the cardiologist for tricuspid regurgitation. She said was not concerned about anything but she said I am extremely over weight & need to lose weight. She said I should follow her diet plan & exercise.
  • MyChocolateDiet
    MyChocolateDiet Posts: 22,281 Member
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    Well, first off I was referred to the cardiologist for tricuspid regurgitation. She said was not concerned about anything but she said I am extremely over weight & need to lose weight. She said I should follow her diet plan & exercise.

    "her" diet plan meaning the one she does or the one she sells?

    #importantdetail

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