It should be required by federal law...
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Yeah, and it would help if they held my hand and read the nutritional info for me so I know what a portion size is so I don't go over my fat grams.......hell yeah, hand holding rocks....To have printed "Nutrition Facts" for every menu item in every restaurant in the country. It should be required to have it available either in print, at the front of the restaurant, or online for anyone to read. Does anyone else get as frustrated as I do when they go out to eat?0 -
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Oy government keep your nose outta my guns but make sure that I don't over eat.. it's my right :ohwell: :ohwell: :ohwell: :ohwell: :ohwell:0
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...To have printed "Nutrition Facts" for every menu item in every restaurant in the country. It should be required to have it available either in print, at the front of the restaurant, or online for anyone to read. Does anyone else get as frustrated as I do when they go out to eat?
nope, eat less restaurant food if it's impacting your diet THAT much that a meal or two makes a huge difference.0 -
On the one hand, I really love having that info available, on the other hand, it's a huge pain in the *kitten* for small businesses, and I'd be surprised if the recipes would be followed closely enough for the info to remain accurate.
If I'm going out to eat, I just try to order the healthiest thing available and estimate the calories, rounding up severely to make sure I err on the side of caution.
This.
You think the chef's and cook's portion and weigh out every single ingredient? Do you have any idea how badly they would kill wait times during peak hours?
Yes they do and still don't kill wait times....that's what being a chef is all about. Each and every chef who is worth their salary measured their portions of uncooked ingredients, because that is what menu planning as well as the ratio of mark-up is based on.
One of my former brother-in-laws is a chef ( trained at CIA and worked in several countries and for the last 15 years in Paris ) and he tells me that the allowed difference is less than 5 % ( which means if the amount of butter a piece of fish is sautéd in is 30grs it can be 28.5 grs or 31.5 but not more or less ). With materials in most better restaurants being very expensive they really cannot just " cook as they go " in regard to measurements. It is also expected from a chef that those weight or quantities fall within their limit even without weighing or measuring....just from eyeballing from experience. But maybe, things are different in the US....0 -
How many people out of the US population do you guys think are really taking advantage of the nutritional information that some restaurants in the US provide ?
I think not even all MFPers do, or those who frequent similar websites.
So you want nutritional information for all restaurants so maybe one person out of several thousand could have a potential benefit ?
Maybe Americans need to learn from countries where there is not so much obesity and where people usually cook and eat at home and only go out to eat on special occasions and where as part of the local culture the portions are much smaller than in the US.
I personally think that just the nutritional information alone won't make any difference....0 -
On the one hand, I really love having that info available, on the other hand, it's a huge pain in the *kitten* for small businesses, and I'd be surprised if the recipes would be followed closely enough for the info to remain accurate.
If I'm going out to eat, I just try to order the healthiest thing available and estimate the calories, rounding up severely to make sure I err on the side of caution.
This.
You think the chef's and cook's portion and weigh out every single ingredient? Do you have any idea how badly they would kill wait times during peak hours?
Yes they do and still don't kill wait times....that's what being a chef is all about. Each and every chef who is worth their salary measured their portions of uncooked ingredients, because that is what menu planning as well as the ratio of mark-up is based on.
One of my former brother-in-laws is a chef ( trained at CIA and worked in several countries and for the last 15 years in Paris ) and he tells me that the allowed difference is less than 5 % ( which means if the amount of butter a piece of fish is sautéd in is 30grs it can be 28.5 grs or 31.5 but not more or less ). With materials in most better restaurants being very expensive they really cannot just " cook as they go " in regard to measurements. It is also expected from a chef that those weight or quantities fall within their limit even without weighing or measuring....just from eyeballing from experience. But maybe, things are different in the US....
Not where I've cooked. Unless its a VERY stingy boss or a baked recipe (like bread, muffins, etc), they don't measure anything. It's time consuming and a bit pointless. You quickly learn the portions required by sight anyway.0 -
On the one hand, I really love having that info available, on the other hand, it's a huge pain in the *kitten* for small businesses, and I'd be surprised if the recipes would be followed closely enough for the info to remain accurate.
If I'm going out to eat, I just try to order the healthiest thing available and estimate the calories, rounding up severely to make sure I err on the side of caution.
This.
You think the chef's and cook's portion and weigh out every single ingredient? Do you have any idea how badly they would kill wait times during peak hours?
Yes they do and still don't kill wait times....that's what being a chef is all about. Each and every chef who is worth their salary measured their portions of uncooked ingredients, because that is what menu planning as well as the ratio of mark-up is based on.
One of my former brother-in-laws is a chef ( trained at CIA and worked in several countries and for the last 15 years in Paris ) and he tells me that the allowed difference is less than 5 % ( which means if the amount of butter a piece of fish is sautéd in is 30grs it can be 28.5 grs or 31.5 but not more or less ). With materials in most better restaurants being very expensive they really cannot just " cook as they go " in regard to measurements. It is also expected from a chef that those weight or quantities fall within their limit even without weighing or measuring....just from eyeballing from experience. But maybe, things are different in the US....
Not where I've cooked. Unless its a VERY stingy boss or a baked recipe (like bread, muffins, etc), they don't measure anything. It's time consuming and a bit pointless. You quickly learn the portions required by sight anyway.
You are probably right, with cheaper & mass produced ingredients that I imagine are used in many US restaurants it probably does not matter. I am certain that the more upscale and specialty restaurants do weight their portions, because the stuff they use is just too expensive .
I was on vacation until yesterday and for example had a meal that included smoked duck breast and I am certain the chef weighed the portions. I bet he also counted the paper thin slices of truffles on top of the breast , because at a starting price of a couple of thousand dollars the kilo I would not call measuring or weighing " pointless ".
And thinking of it , maybe that is exactly the problem in the kind of restaurants you refer to; portions where no one knows what they and their ingredients weigh and therefore no one knows how many calories they have. How useful is nutritional information under such circumstances ? Not at all, unless the portion is exactly the size and calories the info says....and that is not achieved " by sight ".......I think we MFPers know that better than anyone......:o).0 -
Yeah, and it would help if they held my hand and read the nutritional info for me so I know what a portion size is so I don't go over my fat grams.......hell yeah, hand holding rocks....To have printed "Nutrition Facts" for every menu item in every restaurant in the country. It should be required to have it available either in print, at the front of the restaurant, or online for anyone to read. Does anyone else get as frustrated as I do when they go out to eat?
If I am going to be responsible for what goes into my mouth, I have to know what is going in. Demanding to know isn't out of line, nor is it asking for someone to hold my hand. Not being given the necessary information means either avoiding many restaurants or yes, advocating for laws that require nutrition info. Frankly, I'm much more concerned with pesticides, GMOs, and preservatives in our foods, but since so many of us in my country are fighting our weight, it would be good to know calories, too.0 -
.... Demanding to know isn't out of line, ......
Demanding is well out of line and incredibly rude .. asking or requesting would be more polite and more likely to solicit a polite response... :frown:0 -
.... Demanding to know isn't out of line, ......
Demanding is well out of line and incredibly rude .. asking or requesting would be more polite and more likely to solicit a polite response... :frown:
Yes, because my country's history is replete with examples of workers and customers asking nicely and getting results!
*sarcasm in the extreme*
Owners of companies don't do things because they're asked. They have to be forced the vast majority of the time.0 -
.... Demanding to know isn't out of line, ......
Demanding is well out of line and incredibly rude .. asking or requesting would be more polite and more likely to solicit a polite response... :frown:
Yes, because my country's history is replete with examples of workers and customers asking nicely and getting results!
*sarcasm in the extreme*
Owners of companies don't do things because they're asked. They have to be forced the vast majority of the time.
Oh, look, another crusader out to fight the good fight again evil chef owned restaurants everywhere . . . Those places prepare tasty food fresh from the market. We need to make sure we make their lives as difficult as possible. Let's create a new agency, a few new regulations, hey, why does the economy continue to suck again? I don't understand . . .0 -
.... Demanding to know isn't out of line, ......
Demanding is well out of line and incredibly rude .. asking or requesting would be more polite and more likely to solicit a polite response... :frown:
Yes, because my country's history is replete with examples of workers and customers asking nicely and getting results!
*sarcasm in the extreme*
Owners of companies don't do things because they're asked. They have to be forced the vast majority of the time.
Oh, look, another crusader out to fight the good fight again evil chef owned restaurants everywhere . . . Those places prepare tasty food fresh from the market. We need to make sure we make their lives as difficult as possible. Let's create a new agency, a few new regulations, hey, why does the economy continue to suck again? I don't understand . . .
Our economy sucks because we allowed our jobs to be outsourced to every sweatshop running dictatorship on the globe.
It might not matter to you whether that pasta has 600 calories or 900, but for someone more sedentary with less than 300 calories between maintenance and weight loss or maintenance and weight gain it does matter.0 -
Wouldn't it be super difficult? You'd never be able to get ALL steaks EXACTLY the same size. Or weigh ALL potatoes to exactly 100g...While it is in theory a nice idea, it's practicality not. It might be nice to have a "this meal is around XXX cals". But you can easily do that at home if you add all ingredients separately. You might have to guesstimate, but you won't have it more accurate if the restaurant did it.0
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.... Demanding to know isn't out of line, ......
Demanding is well out of line and incredibly rude .. asking or requesting would be more polite and more likely to solicit a polite response... :frown:
Yes, because my country's history is replete with examples of workers and customers asking nicely and getting results!
*sarcasm in the extreme*
Owners of companies don't do things because they're asked. They have to be forced the vast majority of the time.
Oh, look, another crusader out to fight the good fight again evil chef owned restaurants everywhere . . . Those places prepare tasty food fresh from the market. We need to make sure we make their lives as difficult as possible. Let's create a new agency, a few new regulations, hey, why does the economy continue to suck again? I don't understand . . .
Our economy sucks because we allowed our jobs to be outsourced to every sweatshop running dictatorship on the globe.
It might not matter to you whether that pasta has 600 calories or 900, but for someone more sedentary with less than 300 calories between maintenance and weight loss or maintenance and weight gain it does matter.
Yes. Let's throw random nativist sentiment in here because yes, those damn foreigners competing with us is what the problem really is.
If it matters to you that much, then cook at home. Lazy people always want to make their problems everyone else's problems.0 -
Yeah, and it would help if they held my hand and read the nutritional info for me so I know what a portion size is so I don't go over my fat grams.......hell yeah, hand holding rocks....To have printed "Nutrition Facts" for every menu item in every restaurant in the country. It should be required to have it available either in print, at the front of the restaurant, or online for anyone to read. Does anyone else get as frustrated as I do when they go out to eat?
If I am going to be responsible for what goes into my mouth, I have to know what is going in. Demanding to know isn't out of line, nor is it asking for someone to hold my hand. Not being given the necessary information means either avoiding many restaurants or yes, advocating for laws that require nutrition info. Frankly, I'm much more concerned with pesticides, GMOs, and preservatives in our foods, but since so many of us in my country are fighting our weight, it would be good to know calories, too.
I would agree with you if we were being advise or forced to eat restaurant food...but we are not. These things are optional.
The majority of the people don't count calories. Maybe the government should pass regulations that require them to do so.
Maybe the government should pass regulations that require us to eat at restaurants...even if that means that you can't pay your bills.
I have a hard time believing that people are so upset that the government doesn't demand that privately owned restaurants are not forced into providing nutritional information (restaurants that you are not required to eat at). I guess that is more important than the men, women and especially the children that are going to bed at night and haven't met their daily nutritional needs.
I was walking down the street one day when I spotted a man rummaging through the trash can outside of a restaurant looking for something to eat...he found a half eaten sandwich...I doubt if he cared how many calories...GMOs...sodium...or anything else it had in it.
You have options...you can eat at that restaurant or not...the child that goes to bed hungry...hasn't got a choice.
The other thing...we yell and scream about government in our lives...until...it suits our needs...then we yell and scream because they won't step in.
People need to learn to make choices...think...walk away if something doesn't fit your life.
I am stopping now...I could rant and rave forever...this is a hot topic for me...I should have just kept my mouth shut!
I support people being responsible for their own decisions...many of us here chose to eat in an unhealthy manner...many of us take responsibility for that and have set out to correct that...without government doing it for us.0 -
.... Demanding to know isn't out of line, ......
Demanding is well out of line and incredibly rude .. asking or requesting would be more polite and more likely to solicit a polite response... :frown:
Yes, because my country's history is replete with examples of workers and customers asking nicely and getting results!
*sarcasm in the extreme*
Owners of companies don't do things because they're asked. They have to be forced the vast majority of the time.
Oh, look, another crusader out to fight the good fight again evil chef owned restaurants everywhere . . . Those places prepare tasty food fresh from the market. We need to make sure we make their lives as difficult as possible. Let's create a new agency, a few new regulations, hey, why does the economy continue to suck again? I don't understand . . .
Our economy sucks because we allowed our jobs to be outsourced to every sweatshop running dictatorship on the globe.
It might not matter to you whether that pasta has 600 calories or 900, but for someone more sedentary with less than 300 calories between maintenance and weight loss or maintenance and weight gain it does matter.
Yes. Let's throw random nativist sentiment in here because yes, those damn foreigners competing with us is what the problem really is.
If it matters to you that much, then cook at home. Lazy people always want to make their problems everyone else's problems.
We don't want to compete with foreigners who have no worker rights and no environmental laws. We'd be fools to want to, since competing means ending up with the same lack of protections.
But thanks for trying to spin me as a racist. You've shown you aren't capable of civil discussion. Back on ignore you go.0 -
.... Demanding to know isn't out of line, ......
Demanding is well out of line and incredibly rude .. asking or requesting would be more polite and more likely to solicit a polite response... :frown:
Yes, because my country's history is replete with examples of workers and customers asking nicely and getting results!
*sarcasm in the extreme*
Owners of companies don't do things because they're asked. They have to be forced the vast majority of the time.
Oh, look, another crusader out to fight the good fight again evil chef owned restaurants everywhere . . . Those places prepare tasty food fresh from the market. We need to make sure we make their lives as difficult as possible. Let's create a new agency, a few new regulations, hey, why does the economy continue to suck again? I don't understand . . .
Our economy sucks because we allowed our jobs to be outsourced to every sweatshop running dictatorship on the globe.
It might not matter to you whether that pasta has 600 calories or 900, but for someone more sedentary with less than 300 calories between maintenance and weight loss or maintenance and weight gain it does matter.
Yes. Let's throw random nativist sentiment in here because yes, those damn foreigners competing with us is what the problem really is.
If it matters to you that much, then cook at home. Lazy people always want to make their problems everyone else's problems.
We don't want to compete with foreigners who have no worker rights and no environmental laws. We'd be fools to want to, since competing means ending up with the same lack of protections.
But thanks for trying to spin me as a racist. You've shown you aren't capable of civil discussion. Back on ignore you go.
Makes a nativist comment and gets butt hurt for being called on it. I love the internet. My guess is that you don't have the education necessary for this discussion anyway.0 -
Well of course............we can only hope the USA can catch up to all those Countries with single digit obesity with their mandatory nutritional labeling on every single item consumed, including individual fresh items. It's amazing how backward Americans are in their knowledge of nutrition compared to say to France, Italy or Japan, right, we can only dream we gain the knowledge to become slimmer and of course since the introduction of nutritional labeling and it's increase over the years has helped the USA tremendously reduce obesity, so that makes sense, so don't worry, we're on the right track, we'll get there. Damn chefs and owners.......most can't cook and are thieves anyway.
Yeah, and it would help if they held my hand and read the nutritional info for me so I know what a portion size is so I don't go over my fat grams.......hell yeah, hand holding rocks....To have printed "Nutrition Facts" for every menu item in every restaurant in the country. It should be required to have it available either in print, at the front of the restaurant, or online for anyone to read. Does anyone else get as frustrated as I do when they go out to eat?
If I am going to be responsible for what goes into my mouth, I have to know what is going in. Demanding to know isn't out of line, nor is it asking for someone to hold my hand. Not being given the necessary information means either avoiding many restaurants or yes, advocating for laws that require nutrition info. Frankly, I'm much more concerned with pesticides, GMOs, and preservatives in our foods, but since so many of us in my country are fighting our weight, it would be good to know calories, too.0 -
.... Demanding to know isn't out of line, ......
Demanding is well out of line and incredibly rude .. asking or requesting would be more polite and more likely to solicit a polite response... :frown:
Yes, because my country's history is replete with examples of workers and customers asking nicely and getting results!
*sarcasm in the extreme*
Owners of companies don't do things because they're asked. They have to be forced the vast majority of the time.
Oh, look, another crusader out to fight the good fight again evil chef owned restaurants everywhere . . . Those places prepare tasty food fresh from the market. We need to make sure we make their lives as difficult as possible. Let's create a new agency, a few new regulations, hey, why does the economy continue to suck again? I don't understand . . .
Our economy sucks because we allowed our jobs to be outsourced to every sweatshop running dictatorship on the globe.
It might not matter to you whether that pasta has 600 calories or 900, but for someone more sedentary with less than 300 calories between maintenance and weight loss or maintenance and weight gain it does matter.
Yes. Let's throw random nativist sentiment in here because yes, those damn foreigners competing with us is what the problem really is.
If it matters to you that much, then cook at home. Lazy people always want to make their problems everyone else's problems.
Don't you know...
It is always someone elses fault...
Always someone elses responsibility to fix it...
What??? You expect these people to think for themselves??? Make the right choices???
I eat (or at least try) low sodium because of high blood pressure. It does get discouraging when I read the labels of foods that I have always eaten. I sigh...shake my head...put it back on the shelf...keep searching for an alternative...or I do without it. I don't expect the world to change just for me...I can make my own choices.
Now if I choose to indulge in a high sodium food (which I do on occasion) then I take responsibility for that. I don't rant and rave about the food manufactures nor the restaurant that I CHOSE to eat at.
Anyway...It is all about them and their needs and good lord don't ask them to use their brains...shame on us...their lives are difficult enough without having to use their brains.
I will be quiet now...at least for a while...0 -
:laugh: :drinker:
.... Demanding to know isn't out of line, ......
Demanding is well out of line and incredibly rude .. asking or requesting would be more polite and more likely to solicit a polite response... :frown:
Yes, because my country's history is replete with examples of workers and customers asking nicely and getting results!
*sarcasm in the extreme*
Owners of companies don't do things because they're asked. They have to be forced the vast majority of the time.
Oh, look, another crusader out to fight the good fight again evil chef owned restaurants everywhere . . . Those places prepare tasty food fresh from the market. We need to make sure we make their lives as difficult as possible. Let's create a new agency, a few new regulations, hey, why does the economy continue to suck again? I don't understand . . .
Our economy sucks because we allowed our jobs to be outsourced to every sweatshop running dictatorship on the globe.
It might not matter to you whether that pasta has 600 calories or 900, but for someone more sedentary with less than 300 calories between maintenance and weight loss or maintenance and weight gain it does matter.
Yes. Let's throw random nativist sentiment in here because yes, those damn foreigners competing with us is what the problem really is.
If it matters to you that much, then cook at home. Lazy people always want to make their problems everyone else's problems.
We don't want to compete with foreigners who have no worker rights and no environmental laws. We'd be fools to want to, since competing means ending up with the same lack of protections.
But thanks for trying to spin me as a racist. You've shown you aren't capable of civil discussion. Back on ignore you go.
Makes a nativist comment and gets butt hurt for being called on it. I love the internet. My guess is that you don't have the education necessary for this discussion anyway.
Agreed! Also sounds like they enjoy the freedom to blame others for their lack of self control, moderation etc
Restaurants lack of nutritional values is not why the poster got overweight but somehow now they are responsible for their calorie allowance *smh*0 -
Well of course............we can only hope the USA can catch up to all those Countries with single digit obesity with their mandatory nutritional labeling on every single item consumed, inincluding individual fresh items. It's amazing how backward Americans are in their knowledge of nutrition compared to say to France, Italy or Japan, right, we can only dream we gain the knowledge to become slimmer and of course since the introduction of nutritional labeling and it's increase over the years has helped the USA tremendousaly reduce obesity, so that makes sense.
Yeah, and it would help if they held my hand and read the nutritional info for me so I know what a portion size is so I don't go over my fat grams.......hell yeah, hand holding rocks....To have printed "Nutrition Facts" for every menu item in every restaurant in the country. It should be required to have it available either in print, at the front of the restaurant, or online for anyone to read. Does anyone else get as frustrated as I do when they go out to eat?
If I am going to be responsible for what goes into my mouth, I have to know what is going in. Demanding to know isn't out of line, nor is it asking for someone to hold my hand. Not being given the necessary information means either avoiding many restaurants or yes, advocating for laws that require nutrition info. Frankly, I'm much more concerned with pesticides, GMOs, and preservatives in our foods, but since so many of us in my country are fighting our weight, it would be good to know calories, too.
Yes, we should hope that Pepsi and Coca Cola can get away with using more tainted water to make their products in this country as they do in other countries, too. Who needs those pesky consumer protections? Heavy metals are good for us, too.0 -
Well of course............we can only hope the USA can catch up to all those Countries with single digit obesity with their mandatory nutritional labeling on every single item consumed, inincluding individual fresh items. It's amazing how backward Americans are in their knowledge of nutrition compared to say to France, Italy or Japan, right, we can only dream we gain the knowledge to become slimmer and of course since the introduction of nutritional labeling and it's increase over the years has helped the USA tremendousaly reduce obesity, so that makes sense.
Yeah, and it would help if they held my hand and read the nutritional info for me so I know what a portion size is so I don't go over my fat grams.......hell yeah, hand holding rocks....To have printed "Nutrition Facts" for every menu item in every restaurant in the country. It should be required to have it available either in print, at the front of the restaurant, or online for anyone to read. Does anyone else get as frustrated as I do when they go out to eat?
If I am going to be responsible for what goes into my mouth, I have to know what is going in. Demanding to know isn't out of line, nor is it asking for someone to hold my hand. Not being given the necessary information means either avoiding many restaurants or yes, advocating for laws that require nutrition info. Frankly, I'm much more concerned with pesticides, GMOs, and preservatives in our foods, but since so many of us in my country are fighting our weight, it would be good to know calories, too.
Yes, we should hope that Pepsi and Coca Cola can get away with using more tainted water to make their products in this country as they do in other countries, too. Who needs those pesky consumer protections? Heavy metals are good for us, too.
In to hear more about the lack of consumer protection laws in France, Italy, and Japan, where all those fat slobs who die of cancer at such high rates reside . . .0 -
I'm astonished at the number of Americans who not only want fewer rights and protections, they want to throw out the ones their predecessors fought so hard to attain, too. They also tend to be the same Americans who don't know how to debate but instead make personal attacks.0
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if restaurants want to that is fine ..and if they do not, then you as a consume have the option not to spend your money there ..0 -
While I think it's a good idea for restaurants to include nutritional info, it COULD get expensive. If it's required by federal law, they may have to pay nutritionists to do it. What if the owner/ whoever sat down wasn't accurate? If they took this to a state level, then try would have to mark sure it's done right, correct? That means nutritionists would most likely be the ones to do this, and I can't imagine them doing it for free.Expensive? it would take about 2-4 hours (depending on menu size) to sit down with a menu and go through every item and calculate the totals. Then you could print out 1 copy for each table and laminate it and it could cost less than 50 bucks.
There is no excuse not to let your customers know whats in what they are eating.0 -
I'm astonished at the number of Americans who not only want fewer rights and protections, they want to throw out the ones their predecessors fought so hard to attain, too. They also tend to be the same Americans who don't know how to debate but instead make personal attacks.
I'm astonished by the number of people on the internet who lack a basic education in economics and seem to have never traveled outside of their own countries. Oh wait. No, I'm not.0 -
.... Demanding to know isn't out of line, ......
Demanding is well out of line and incredibly rude .. asking or requesting would be more polite and more likely to solicit a polite response... :frown:
Yes, because my country's history is replete with examples of workers and customers asking nicely and getting results!
*sarcasm in the extreme*
Owners of companies don't do things because they're asked. They have to be forced the vast majority of the time.
Oh, look, another crusader out to fight the good fight again evil chef owned restaurants everywhere . . . Those places prepare tasty food fresh from the market. We need to make sure we make their lives as difficult as possible. Let's create a new agency, a few new regulations, hey, why does the economy continue to suck again? I don't understand . . .
Our economy sucks because we allowed our jobs to be outsourced to every sweatshop running dictatorship on the globe.
It might not matter to you whether that pasta has 600 calories or 900, but for someone more sedentary with less than 300 calories between maintenance and weight loss or maintenance and weight gain it does matter.
There's the problem...
Let's demand a regulation that requires people to be more active...no more sedentary...then it won't matter if that pasta has 600 or 900 calories...
because...
the government has a "Sedentary Regulation".
I think this would be more beneficial...force people to be more active...force gym membership,,,everyone must wear a pedometer...get those 10,000 steps in...daily check ins...that would lower the obesity rate...
Then we wouldn't have to be responsible...0 -
I'm astonished at the number of Americans who not only want fewer rights and protections, they want to throw out the ones their predecessors fought so hard to attain, too. They also tend to be the same Americans who don't know how to debate but instead make personal attacks.
I'm astonished by the number of people on the internet who lack a basic education in economics and seem to have never traveled outside of their own countries. Oh wait. No, I'm not.
Well, you know what the answer to that problem is, don't you?
That the federal government mandate that all MFP users take basic competency exams before using the forums.
That way we can all pay for something that's currently free!
Oh! I smell a parody thread brewing...0 -
I'm astonished at the number of Americans who not only want fewer rights and protections, they want to throw out the ones their predecessors fought so hard to attain, too. They also tend to be the same Americans who don't know how to debate but instead make personal attacks.
Really??? There was a war fought for nutritional information to be provided by every restaurant???
YIKES! I must have slept through that history class.0
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