Freelee the Banana Girl
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I'm immature sometime's too. This is FUNNY!I know this is really immature, but every time I see the name "Freelee" it reminds me of that episode in the Simpsons where Bart prank calls Moe and gets him to yell for "I.P. Freely"0 -
I think you're drunk right now"moving around" burns way less calories than you think.
Its interesting to me that you took "You move more" to mean "moving around", which isn't what I meant.
Going for a 36 mile bike ride is moving more than an 18 mile bike ride. I've got 3 rides over 30 miles in the last 2 weeks. Last year I hadn't done any over 20 by this time (I keep a log). When I go out I feel compelled to go longer. And my recovery is way faster.
The one thing I'm working on is cutting out the alcohol. I've cut back, but need to eliminate. We'll see.0 -
I was thinking just this.So you bike ride that much a week.
I remember a guy who did the same thing you did. Ate the same way. Preached the same stuff. He hasn't been seen in almost a month.
Comes in with the "I do 80/10/10 and it's great" thing and fails to mention his lifestyle involves what most people would see as a need for a *lot* of carbs as 'fuel'.0 -
Same as durianrider really. Telling people eating thousands and thousands of calories is completely fine and won't make you gain weight as long as it's fruit... while riding bike for hours on end every day.
I was thinking just this.So you bike ride that much a week.
I remember a guy who did the same thing you did. Ate the same way. Preached the same stuff. He hasn't been seen in almost a month.
Comes in with the "I do 80/10/10 and it's great" thing and fails to mention his lifestyle involves what most people would see as a need for a *lot* of carbs as 'fuel'.0 -
She's a riot to watch, but I'm not going to eat 30 bananas a day.0
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Come on people!
Carbs don't make you fat
Fat doesn´t make you fat
and animal products don´t make you fat either.
What makes you fat is eating either one or all of them in an uncontrolled way. You can get fat from everything you eat out of control! If she eats like 1kg strawberries for breakfast, 4 bananas for lunch and a entire water melon for dinner she will be filled up and won't get fit because she is not overeating calorie wise....
I´m not too sure if cutting out so many things of your diet is healthy for most of us people. there are people only eating meat anymore, and people like banana girl... Maybe it´s good for their body. That doesn´t nessessarily mean that a diet like this is good for your body as well. I know it would make me feel really sick and poopy!
I personally need a lot of carbs. Otherwise my low blood pressure is going to kill me. I´d feel dizzy all day on a low carb diet. What is good for me might make you sick though. So I think you should try a diet that consists everything in regulation. Make sure that the meat you get is organic from animals that didn´t get fed that soy crap and you will be fine. Than make small changes and see how it makes you feel, Try and error....:flowerforyou:
It's good to restrict (or eliminate) cholesterol and saturated fat. That's proven science.
But cholesterol turns into testosterone, which give you more strength and muscle mass.
I eat 100g of fat a day and I think Im learner than you lol0 -
I am pretty sure that Campbell and the rest don’t subscribe to the view that a calorie isn’t a calorie and that only fat makes you fat. If you can point to their research that makes this point I will reconsider.The majority of their research is on causes of heart disease, cancers etc etc. I read the china study and don’t recall anything about only fat making you fat.Any science for the claims? Or just opinions from youtube gurus?
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Eats animal products daily makes one jacked and strong, science be damned!
I don't take advice from 20-30 year old guys who have abs. I was you 20 years ago dude. I'm more interested in thriving for another 30 years.
I listen to the 70-80 year old guys: T. Colin Campbell, Caldwell Esselstyn, John McDougall, Ellsworth Wareham. At least they are Doctors who've authored research papers.0 -
Kool-aid makes the difference.
I am pretty sure that Campbell and the rest don’t subscribe to the view that a calorie isn’t a calorie and that only fat makes you fat. If you can point to their research that makes this point I will reconsider.The majority of their research is on causes of heart disease, cancers etc etc. I read the china study and don’t recall anything about only fat making you fat.Any science for the claims? Or just opinions from youtube gurus?
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Eats animal products daily makes one jacked and strong, science be damned!
I don't take advice from 20-30 year old guys who have abs. I was you 20 years ago dude. I'm more interested in thriving for another 30 years.
I listen to the 70-80 year old guys: T. Colin Campbell, Caldwell Esselstyn, John McDougall, Ellsworth Wareham. At least they are Doctors who've authored research papers.0 -
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I have been eating 80/10/10 for at least 6 months now, and recently started adding in calories. I eat about 3,000 per day; I'm a 55 year old male.
I ride my bike about 75-100 miles (4-6 hours) per week on average.
As Freelee says carbs don't make you fat. It's a big fallacy. Fat makes you fat. Animal products make you fat.
A calorie is not a calorie. Fiber is essential. Also look at John McDougall's work.
Another YouTube person to watch that will better explain is Jay at PlantbasedAthlete.
animal products make you fat.... .right....
because these hunter-gatherers are really, really, really fat, aren't they? :noway:
I just want to say: I love your posts. :flowerforyou:0 -
LOL .. I think you mean you listen to vegan propagandists who are funded by PETA, don't you? Nice try.I don't take advice from 20-30 year old guys who have abs. I was you 20 years ago dude. I'm more interested in thriving for another 30 years.
I listen to the 70-80 year old guys: T. Colin Campbell, Caldwell Esselstyn, John McDougall, Ellsworth Wareham. At least they are Doctors who've authored research papers.0 -
Actually, it's not proven science. It never has been. It's two hypotheses (the lipid hypothesis and the diet-heart hypothesis) which, as-of yet, remain unproven.It's good to restrict (or eliminate) cholesterol and saturated fat. That's proven science.
Not only do they remain unproven, but the bulk of research done (over a billion dollars worth now) has, as point of fact, come to the OPPOSITE conclusion.
Dietary cholesterol has little-to-no effect on total serum cholesterol. Total serum cholesterol actually has no correlation to heart disease. Higher cholesterol numbers are related to LESS all-cause mortality.
As for fat, research is concluding now that meat and saturated fat are actually GOOD for you, especially if one also reduces refined carbohydrate. Replacing refined oils (such as margarine, corn oil, etc.) with saturated fat improves biomarkers for CVD, in point of fact.
Perhaps you should listen to research from unbiased sources instead of listening to old hypotheses repeated by PETA activists.0 -
I'll just leave this here:Come on people!
Carbs don't make you fat
Fat doesn´t make you fat
and animal products don´t make you fat either.
What makes you fat is eating either one or all of them in an uncontrolled way. You can get fat from everything you eat out of control! If she eats like 1kg strawberries for breakfast, 4 bananas for lunch and a entire water melon for dinner she will be filled up and won't get fit because she is not overeating calorie wise....
I´m not too sure if cutting out so many things of your diet is healthy for most of us people. there are people only eating meat anymore, and people like banana girl... Maybe it´s good for their body. That doesn´t nessessarily mean that a diet like this is good for your body as well. I know it would make me feel really sick and poopy!
I personally need a lot of carbs. Otherwise my low blood pressure is going to kill me. I´d feel dizzy all day on a low carb diet. What is good for me might make you sick though. So I think you should try a diet that consists everything in regulation. Make sure that the meat you get is organic from animals that didn´t get fed that soy crap and you will be fine. Than make small changes and see how it makes you feel, Try and error....:flowerforyou:
It's good to restrict (or eliminate) cholesterol and saturated fat. That's proven science.
The Questionable Link Between Saturated Fat and Heart Disease. Newer science, not from some random youtube guru
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303678404579533760760481486
That is not in conflict with anything I wrote... the Magic word is still MODERATION. If you live in the south and shovel corn muffins in your body every day.... even though it might fit in your macros it might be still not good for you, because depending on where you get them they contain so much butter that the butter still comes out even after baking!
If you are eating food that lowers your cholesterol level for the rest of the day you still might be fine with the corn muffins... Or your genetic disposition makes your body handle cholesterol better than other ones...
I live in Germany and even with my diet BEFORE joining MFP I had no issues with anything beside low iron. So my non moderated diet was still keeping me healthy (just not thin :laugh: )
You cannot just take one principle that worked for one individual and copy it to the rest of the population. That´s not how this works. That´s not how our bodies work.
I eat everything I want in moderation to make it fit in my macros and I just got my bloodwork back. My doc said it looks fabulous!
What the banana girl and so many other people do is missionizing. This is first of all dangerous for younger people that can be easier manipulated :devil: and second it is SO FREAKING DAMN BAD ANNOYING! :explode: They don´t say "hey this worked for me you might wanna try this and see how it affects your body" NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO They want everybody to live exactly like they do.... Those people are exhausting....:huh:0 -
They all look like they could use a good turkey sammich.
:huh: I disagree. They all look fit and healthy to me.0 -
They all look like they could use a good turkey sammich.
:huh: I disagree. They all look fit and healthy to me.
I agree.. fit, lean and heatlhy on a diet that's rich in meat (including eating the whole animal, i.e. the fatty parts too) and also in vegetables. If it's the tribe I think it is then they also eat a lot of nuts, which are high in fat. Thus disproving the assertion that animal products and fat make people fat. (made by someone earlier in the thread which I posted the pic in response to)
The fact that they have to catch their food helps them stay lean - obesity in the west is caused by a combination of inactivity and being able to eat food in unlimited quantities.... it's not caused by any specific food.0 -
Unless we are monitoring that person 24/7, we really have no idea what she's eating. She may not be eating at all.
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was this freelee chick fat before? what is the novelty? that she eats bananas? or lets us watch her mundane life?0
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was this freelee chick fat before? what is the novelty? that she eats bananas? or lets us watch her mundane life?
I think she was slightly chubby at the most, then 'skinny fat'. The novelty is its an extreme diet that totes you can eat as much as you want and not get fat, given that you only eat raw fruit (and some vege?). The cost of food alone must be horrific...0 -
was this freelee chick fat before? what is the novelty? that she eats bananas? or lets us watch her mundane life?
I think she was slightly chubby at the most, then 'skinny fat'. The novelty is its an extreme diet that totes you can eat as much as you want and not get fat, given that you only eat raw fruit (and some vege?). The cost of food alone must be horrific...
O I C. i tried to look for before and after vids but honestly got bored watching her play with her dog. i mean i get that she's hot but I've known girls like her my whole life, it does nothing for me to watch her putter around doing mundane shet.0 -
I have been eating 80/10/10 for at least 6 months now, and recently started adding in calories. I eat about 3,000 per day; I'm a 55 year old male.
I ride my bike about 75-100 miles (4-6 hours) per week on average.
As Freelee says carbs don't make you fat. It's a big fallacy. Fat makes you fat. Animal products make you fat.
A calorie is not a calorie. Fiber is essential. Also look at John McDougall's work.
Another YouTube person to watch that will better explain is Jay at PlantbasedAthlete.
animal products make you fat.... .right....
because these hunter-gatherers are really, really, really fat, aren't they? :noway:
They all look like they could use a good turkey sammich.
Then I think that your P.C monitor needs cleaning (or your view of a healthy body image is out of calibration!!) :-p because using mine, they look proper healthy.
Generally - Hey folks just because this poster (5iii) has a different view on diet than the majority here - there's no need to be rude. The jury is still out on a LOT of 'nutritional Science' and different ways of thinking should be encouraged not dismissed out of hand. Proper research is KING but we often gravitate to those sources that more closely align to our own current mindsets I'm as guilty of that as anyone - it's probably human nature but.... this is NOT good science , it's biased.
If 80-10-10, or Atkins, or Paleo or **** (insert your diet/lifestyle choice here) works for you GREAT - keep at it, .. Get tested .. *kitten* the LONG TERM impacts etc.. etc.. add your results to the ever growing database of research results .. BUT DON'T dismiss anyone else's 'fact's because they don't agree with your view of the world (or some herd based band wagon that you've jumped on!!).
The mind is like a parachute .... it works best when it's OPEN.
#tryinghardtolivetothismyself.......mostly0 -
Come on people!
Carbs don't make you fat
Fat doesn´t make you fat
and animal products don´t make you fat either.
What makes you fat is eating either one or all of them in an uncontrolled way. You can get fat from everything you eat out of control! If she eats like 1kg strawberries for breakfast, 4 bananas for lunch and a entire water melon for dinner she will be filled up and won't get fit because she is not overeating calorie wise....
I´m not too sure if cutting out so many things of your diet is healthy for most of us people. there are people only eating meat anymore, and people like banana girl... Maybe it´s good for their body. That doesn´t nessessarily mean that a diet like this is good for your body as well. I know it would make me feel really sick and poopy!
I personally need a lot of carbs. Otherwise my low blood pressure is going to kill me. I´d feel dizzy all day on a low carb diet. What is good for me might make you sick though. So I think you should try a diet that consists everything in regulation. Make sure that the meat you get is organic from animals that didn´t get fed that soy crap and you will be fine. Than make small changes and see how it makes you feel, Try and error....:flowerforyou:
It's good to restrict (or eliminate) cholesterol and saturated fat. That's proven science.
Ummm, no its not.
There is much, much scientific evidence to the contrary0 -
Well I've been vegan for 2 years. Before I was high fat, about 20-25%. Around 10% has been much better for me. Much more satisfying because I no longer have to calorie restrict.
Sorry, 20/25% is not high fat. That's actually pretty low fat.0 -
Then I think that your P.C monitor needs cleaning (or your view of a healthy body image is out of calibration!!) :-p because using mine, they look proper healthy.
Generally - Hey folks just because this poster (5iii) has a different view on diet than the majority here - there's no need to be rude. The jury is still out on a LOT of 'nutritional Science' and different ways of thinking should be encouraged not dismissed out of hand. Proper research is KING but we often gravitate to those sources that more closely align to our own current mindsets I'm as guilty of that as anyone - it's probably human nature but.... this is NOT good science , it's biased.
If 80-10-10, or Atkins, or Paleo or **** (insert your diet/lifestyle choice here) works for you GREAT - keep at it, .. Get tested .. *kitten* the LONG TERM impacts etc.. etc.. add your results to the ever growing database of research results .. BUT DON'T dismiss anyone else's 'fact's because they don't agree with your view of the world (or some herd based band wagon that you've jumped on!!).
The mind is like a parachute .... it works best when it's OPEN.
#tryinghardtolivetothismyself.......mostly
Thanks man.
What's interesting to me is that the people who are deriding my comments and assertions are going by what they've read or believe they've observed. I agree research is "king", but I value testing out the hypothesis myself.
I've eaten Atkins, Paleo, SAD, Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, Cambridge, Medifast, Mediterranean, Vegan, and 80/10/10.
I have blood tests from 2002 to now.
I watched Forks Over Knives the documentary in November of 2012. I had been eating Mediterranean for about 5 months, and I was up to eating about 3 meatless days per month. FYI I was adhering to the Mayo clinic's outline of the Med diet.
I liked the Med diet. Blood work was about the same, athletically I was performing well, mountain bike racing season was on and I raced a few races. But I digress.
So after watching the movie, the line of reasoning seemed sound. I checked out the main doctors and researchers, and found out they are real people, not quacks, and in general there pedigree was generally better than those who claim the opposite. I mean the Cleveland Clinic, Cornell University, etc. These are top institutions in the country for research.
So to me, I thought, I've got little to lose in trying this for 3 weeks. I can always reverse course. But in probably 10 days, I was feeling really good. Very difficult to describe. My self perception was that I was feeling great before this, but however I was feeling before, now I was feeling better than that.
So 3 weeks turned into 6 weeks, then 6 months, till now.
So a few months ago the change I principally made is add more fruit in the morning, and more during the day. I have been more cognizant of eating very little fat, and avoiding processed (vegan or otherwise) foods. I'm getting over the calorie restriction mentality. The beauty of that is I don't feel so compelled to eat a huge dinner, I'm not famished when I get home from work.
And for a week or two I gained weight because of the calories. But that's come off.
Back to the bigger picture. Watch Forks Over Knives. Give it a try for yourself. Don't be afraid of it. Don't be so dogmatic in your view that you KNOW it won't work. You can't say that until you've tried it.
The reason I am dogmatic about my view is that I've tried it. All different ways. The low fat high carb vegan diet is superior. Once in a while you hear of people who've tried it, and really tried to fine tune it, and it didn't work for them. But those are the outliers.
The main critics, those who vehemently oppose the approach, by and large, haven't personally tried it. They're self satisfied with their approach. But really that is of little value, don't you think?
Oh and by the way, I'm not this rockbolla person or whatever. I've been using MFP for a long time. I used to be solpwr. I ate meat, and argued that a calorie is a calorie just like you. I generally don't participate on this forum, but I searched Freelee to see what people were saying, and then shared my point of view. And I've been put on the defensive from that point to the present.
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Well I've been vegan for 2 years. Before I was high fat, about 20-25%. Around 10% has been much better for me. Much more satisfying because I no longer have to calorie restrict.
Sorry, 20/25% is not high fat. That's actually pretty low fat.
Well I guess it depends on your point of view. I should have said relatively higher fat. Forgive me.0 -
Then I think that your P.C monitor needs cleaning (or your view of a healthy body image is out of calibration!!) :-p because using mine, they look proper healthy.
Generally - Hey folks just because this poster (5iii) has a different view on diet than the majority here - there's no need to be rude. The jury is still out on a LOT of 'nutritional Science' and different ways of thinking should be encouraged not dismissed out of hand. Proper research is KING but we often gravitate to those sources that more closely align to our own current mindsets I'm as guilty of that as anyone - it's probably human nature but.... this is NOT good science , it's biased.
If 80-10-10, or Atkins, or Paleo or **** (insert your diet/lifestyle choice here) works for you GREAT - keep at it, .. Get tested .. *kitten* the LONG TERM impacts etc.. etc.. add your results to the ever growing database of research results .. BUT DON'T dismiss anyone else's 'fact's because they don't agree with your view of the world (or some herd based band wagon that you've jumped on!!).
The mind is like a parachute .... it works best when it's OPEN.
#tryinghardtolivetothismyself.......mostly
Thanks man.
What's interesting to me is that the people who are deriding my comments and assertions are going by what they've read or believe they've observed. I agree research is "king", but I value testing out the hypothesis myself.
I've eaten Atkins, Paleo, SAD, Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, Cambridge, Medifast, Mediterranean, Vegan, and 80/10/10.
I have blood tests from 2002 to now.
I watched Forks Over Knives the documentary in November of 2012. I had been eating Mediterranean for about 5 months, and I was up to eating about 3 meatless days per month. FYI I was adhering to the Mayo clinic's outline of the Med diet.
I liked the Med diet. Blood work was about the same, athletically I was performing well, mountain bike racing season was on and I raced a few races. But I digress.
So after watching the movie, the line of reasoning seemed sound. I checked out the main doctors and researchers, and found out they are real people, not quacks, and in general there pedigree was generally better than those who claim the opposite. I mean the Cleveland Clinic, Cornell University, etc. These are top institutions in the country for research.
So to me, I thought, I've got little to lose in trying this for 3 weeks. I can always reverse course. But in probably 10 days, I was feeling really good. Very difficult to describe. My self perception was that I was feeling great before this, but however I was feeling before, now I was feeling better than that.
So 3 weeks turned into 6 weeks, then 6 months, till now.
So a few months ago the change I principally made is add more fruit in the morning, and more during the day. I have been more cognizant of eating very little fat, and avoiding processed (vegan or otherwise) foods. I'm getting over the calorie restriction mentality. The beauty of that is I don't feel so compelled to eat a huge dinner, I'm not famished when I get home from work.
And for a week or two I gained weight because of the calories. But that's come off.
Back to the bigger picture. Watch Forks Over Knives. Give it a try for yourself. Don't be afraid of it. Don't be so dogmatic in your view that you KNOW it won't work. You can't say that until you've tried it.
The reason I am dogmatic about my view is that I've tried it. All different ways. The low fat high carb vegan diet is superior. Once in a while you hear of people who've tried it, and really tried to fine tune it, and it didn't work for them. But those are the outliers.
The main critics, those who vehemently oppose the approach, by and large, haven't personally tried it. They're self satisfied with their approach. But really that is of little value, don't you think?
Oh and by the way, I'm not this rockbolla person or whatever. I've been using MFP for a long time. I used to be solpwr. I ate meat, and argued that a calorie is a calorie just like you. I generally don't participate on this forum, but I searched Freelee to see what people were saying, and then shared my point of view. And I've been put on the defensive from that point to the present.
Cheers.
You've been put on the defensive for making incorrect statements and hopefully not for your choices in diet.
Eat how you prefer. If it gets you closer to your goals and it's sustainable and healthy then go for it. But making statements such as "fat makes you fat" and that a calorie isn't a calorie is flat out incorrect.0 -
I tried vegan for a bit. Too f'in hard to get protein without loading up on soy, and non-whey protein powders were nasty.
I suppose it could work out if you do a ton of cardio to pump up the intake calories high enough.0 -
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I tried vegan for a bit. Too f'in hard to get protein without loading up on soy, and non-whey protein powders were nasty.
I know .. herbivore mammals are so under nourished and scrawny .... how could they 'possibly' get enough protein from plants?../sarcasm :huh:0
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