Freelee the Banana Girl
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Then I think that your P.C monitor needs cleaning (or your view of a healthy body image is out of calibration!!) :-p because using mine, they look proper healthy.
Generally - Hey folks just because this poster (5iii) has a different view on diet than the majority here - there's no need to be rude. The jury is still out on a LOT of 'nutritional Science' and different ways of thinking should be encouraged not dismissed out of hand. Proper research is KING but we often gravitate to those sources that more closely align to our own current mindsets I'm as guilty of that as anyone - it's probably human nature but.... this is NOT good science , it's biased.
If 80-10-10, or Atkins, or Paleo or **** (insert your diet/lifestyle choice here) works for you GREAT - keep at it, .. Get tested .. *kitten* the LONG TERM impacts etc.. etc.. add your results to the ever growing database of research results .. BUT DON'T dismiss anyone else's 'fact's because they don't agree with your view of the world (or some herd based band wagon that you've jumped on!!).
The mind is like a parachute .... it works best when it's OPEN.
#tryinghardtolivetothismyself.......mostly
Thanks man.
What's interesting to me is that the people who are deriding my comments and assertions are going by what they've read or believe they've observed. I agree research is "king", but I value testing out the hypothesis myself.
I've eaten Atkins, Paleo, SAD, Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, Cambridge, Medifast, Mediterranean, Vegan, and 80/10/10.
I have blood tests from 2002 to now.
I watched Forks Over Knives the documentary in November of 2012. I had been eating Mediterranean for about 5 months, and I was up to eating about 3 meatless days per month. FYI I was adhering to the Mayo clinic's outline of the Med diet.
I liked the Med diet. Blood work was about the same, athletically I was performing well, mountain bike racing season was on and I raced a few races. But I digress.
So after watching the movie, the line of reasoning seemed sound. I checked out the main doctors and researchers, and found out they are real people, not quacks, and in general there pedigree was generally better than those who claim the opposite. I mean the Cleveland Clinic, Cornell University, etc. These are top institutions in the country for research.
So to me, I thought, I've got little to lose in trying this for 3 weeks. I can always reverse course. But in probably 10 days, I was feeling really good. Very difficult to describe. My self perception was that I was feeling great before this, but however I was feeling before, now I was feeling better than that.
So 3 weeks turned into 6 weeks, then 6 months, till now.
So a few months ago the change I principally made is add more fruit in the morning, and more during the day. I have been more cognizant of eating very little fat, and avoiding processed (vegan or otherwise) foods. I'm getting over the calorie restriction mentality. The beauty of that is I don't feel so compelled to eat a huge dinner, I'm not famished when I get home from work.
And for a week or two I gained weight because of the calories. But that's come off.
Back to the bigger picture. Watch Forks Over Knives. Give it a try for yourself. Don't be afraid of it. Don't be so dogmatic in your view that you KNOW it won't work. You can't say that until you've tried it.
The reason I am dogmatic about my view is that I've tried it. All different ways. The low fat high carb vegan diet is superior. Once in a while you hear of people who've tried it, and really tried to fine tune it, and it didn't work for them. But those are the outliers.
The main critics, those who vehemently oppose the approach, by and large, haven't personally tried it. They're self satisfied with their approach. But really that is of little value, don't you think?
Oh and by the way, I'm not this rockbolla person or whatever. I've been using MFP for a long time. I used to be solpwr. I ate meat, and argued that a calorie is a calorie just like you. I generally don't participate on this forum, but I searched Freelee to see what people were saying, and then shared my point of view. And I've been put on the defensive from that point to the present.
Cheers.
You've been put on the defensive for making incorrect statements and hopefully not for your choices in diet.
Eat how you prefer. If it gets you closer to your goals and it's sustainable and healthy then go for it. But making statements such as "fat makes you fat" and that a calorie isn't a calorie is flat out incorrect.
Dude, that's your opinion. Your opinion is that my statements are incorrect. I disagree with you. I'm stating my opinion. I believe the research that I've considered validates my point of view. You believe that the research you've considered validates that I'm wrong. So what?
The difference is that you guys often feel that a photo with abs = expert. Or that the majority opinion = the correct opinion.
I disagree with both of those assertions.
The experts I trust are Neal Barnard, T. Colin Campbell, Caldwell Esselstyn, John McDougall. And I'm not alone. So do people like Samuel L. Jackson, Mac Danzig, Bill Clinton, Russell Brand, to name a few.
The majority opinion is not always correct. In the 50's the majority opinion was that smoking was not bad for your health.
Don't make the mistake of thinking that no one has the right to challenge your point of view. I welcome the challenge, but a simple assertion by anyone that says I'm wrong because they're right and they have abs is childish.0 -
Then I think that your P.C monitor needs cleaning (or your view of a healthy body image is out of calibration!!) :-p because using mine, they look proper healthy.
Generally - Hey folks just because this poster (5iii) has a different view on diet than the majority here - there's no need to be rude. The jury is still out on a LOT of 'nutritional Science' and different ways of thinking should be encouraged not dismissed out of hand. Proper research is KING but we often gravitate to those sources that more closely align to our own current mindsets I'm as guilty of that as anyone - it's probably human nature but.... this is NOT good science , it's biased.
If 80-10-10, or Atkins, or Paleo or **** (insert your diet/lifestyle choice here) works for you GREAT - keep at it, .. Get tested .. *kitten* the LONG TERM impacts etc.. etc.. add your results to the ever growing database of research results .. BUT DON'T dismiss anyone else's 'fact's because they don't agree with your view of the world (or some herd based band wagon that you've jumped on!!).
The mind is like a parachute .... it works best when it's OPEN.
#tryinghardtolivetothismyself.......mostly
Thanks man.
What's interesting to me is that the people who are deriding my comments and assertions are going by what they've read or believe they've observed. I agree research is "king", but I value testing out the hypothesis myself.
I've eaten Atkins, Paleo, SAD, Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, Cambridge, Medifast, Mediterranean, Vegan, and 80/10/10.
I have blood tests from 2002 to now.
I watched Forks Over Knives the documentary in November of 2012. I had been eating Mediterranean for about 5 months, and I was up to eating about 3 meatless days per month. FYI I was adhering to the Mayo clinic's outline of the Med diet.
I liked the Med diet. Blood work was about the same, athletically I was performing well, mountain bike racing season was on and I raced a few races. But I digress.
So after watching the movie, the line of reasoning seemed sound. I checked out the main doctors and researchers, and found out they are real people, not quacks, and in general there pedigree was generally better than those who claim the opposite. I mean the Cleveland Clinic, Cornell University, etc. These are top institutions in the country for research.
So to me, I thought, I've got little to lose in trying this for 3 weeks. I can always reverse course. But in probably 10 days, I was feeling really good. Very difficult to describe. My self perception was that I was feeling great before this, but however I was feeling before, now I was feeling better than that.
So 3 weeks turned into 6 weeks, then 6 months, till now.
So a few months ago the change I principally made is add more fruit in the morning, and more during the day. I have been more cognizant of eating very little fat, and avoiding processed (vegan or otherwise) foods. I'm getting over the calorie restriction mentality. The beauty of that is I don't feel so compelled to eat a huge dinner, I'm not famished when I get home from work.
And for a week or two I gained weight because of the calories. But that's come off.
Back to the bigger picture. Watch Forks Over Knives. Give it a try for yourself. Don't be afraid of it. Don't be so dogmatic in your view that you KNOW it won't work. You can't say that until you've tried it.
The reason I am dogmatic about my view is that I've tried it. All different ways. The low fat high carb vegan diet is superior. Once in a while you hear of people who've tried it, and really tried to fine tune it, and it didn't work for them. But those are the outliers.
The main critics, those who vehemently oppose the approach, by and large, haven't personally tried it. They're self satisfied with their approach. But really that is of little value, don't you think?
Oh and by the way, I'm not this rockbolla person or whatever. I've been using MFP for a long time. I used to be solpwr. I ate meat, and argued that a calorie is a calorie just like you. I generally don't participate on this forum, but I searched Freelee to see what people were saying, and then shared my point of view. And I've been put on the defensive from that point to the present.
Cheers.
You've been put on the defensive for making incorrect statements and hopefully not for your choices in diet.
Eat how you prefer. If it gets you closer to your goals and it's sustainable and healthy then go for it. But making statements such as "fat makes you fat" and that a calorie isn't a calorie is flat out incorrect.
Dude, that's your opinion. Your opinion is that my statements are incorrect. I disagree with you. I'm stating my opinion. I believe the research that I've considered validates my point of view. You believe that the research you've considered validates that I'm wrong. So what?
I challenge you to post one piece of research indicating that fat makes you fat independent of state of energy balance.The difference is that you guys often feel that a photo with abs = expert. Or that the majority opinion = the correct opinion.
I disagree with both of those assertions.
That's a strawman argument in it's entirety. I do not care what someone looks like as it has nothing to do with the validity of information.0 -
I challenge you to post one piece of research indicating that fat makes you fat independent of state of energy balance.
I never made that assertion as you've qualified it.0 -
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I challenge you to post one piece of research indicating that fat makes you fat independent of state of energy balance.
I never made that assertion as you've qualified it.
Ok, then go ahead and qualify how "fat makes you fat" (statement made by you on page 1). And post the supporting research. Or admit that it isn't fat that makes you fat but eating too much.0 -
Then I think that your P.C monitor needs cleaning (or your view of a healthy body image is out of calibration!!) :-p because using mine, they look proper healthy.
Generally - Hey folks just because this poster (5iii) has a different view on diet than the majority here - there's no need to be rude. The jury is still out on a LOT of 'nutritional Science' and different ways of thinking should be encouraged not dismissed out of hand. Proper research is KING but we often gravitate to those sources that more closely align to our own current mindsets I'm as guilty of that as anyone - it's probably human nature but.... this is NOT good science , it's biased.
If 80-10-10, or Atkins, or Paleo or **** (insert your diet/lifestyle choice here) works for you GREAT - keep at it, .. Get tested .. *kitten* the LONG TERM impacts etc.. etc.. add your results to the ever growing database of research results .. BUT DON'T dismiss anyone else's 'fact's because they don't agree with your view of the world (or some herd based band wagon that you've jumped on!!).
The mind is like a parachute .... it works best when it's OPEN.
#tryinghardtolivetothismyself.......mostly
Thanks man.
What's interesting to me is that the people who are deriding my comments and assertions are going by what they've read or believe they've observed. I agree research is "king", but I value testing out the hypothesis myself.
I've eaten Atkins, Paleo, SAD, Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, Cambridge, Medifast, Mediterranean, Vegan, and 80/10/10.
I have blood tests from 2002 to now.
I watched Forks Over Knives the documentary in November of 2012. I had been eating Mediterranean for about 5 months, and I was up to eating about 3 meatless days per month. FYI I was adhering to the Mayo clinic's outline of the Med diet.
I liked the Med diet. Blood work was about the same, athletically I was performing well, mountain bike racing season was on and I raced a few races. But I digress.
So after watching the movie, the line of reasoning seemed sound. I checked out the main doctors and researchers, and found out they are real people, not quacks, and in general there pedigree was generally better than those who claim the opposite. I mean the Cleveland Clinic, Cornell University, etc. These are top institutions in the country for research.
So to me, I thought, I've got little to lose in trying this for 3 weeks. I can always reverse course. But in probably 10 days, I was feeling really good. Very difficult to describe. My self perception was that I was feeling great before this, but however I was feeling before, now I was feeling better than that.
So 3 weeks turned into 6 weeks, then 6 months, till now.
So a few months ago the change I principally made is add more fruit in the morning, and more during the day. I have been more cognizant of eating very little fat, and avoiding processed (vegan or otherwise) foods. I'm getting over the calorie restriction mentality. The beauty of that is I don't feel so compelled to eat a huge dinner, I'm not famished when I get home from work.
And for a week or two I gained weight because of the calories. But that's come off.
Back to the bigger picture. Watch Forks Over Knives. Give it a try for yourself. Don't be afraid of it. Don't be so dogmatic in your view that you KNOW it won't work. You can't say that until you've tried it.
The reason I am dogmatic about my view is that I've tried it. All different ways. The low fat high carb vegan diet is superior. Once in a while you hear of people who've tried it, and really tried to fine tune it, and it didn't work for them. But those are the outliers.
The main critics, those who vehemently oppose the approach, by and large, haven't personally tried it. They're self satisfied with their approach. But really that is of little value, don't you think?
Oh and by the way, I'm not this rockbolla person or whatever. I've been using MFP for a long time. I used to be solpwr. I ate meat, and argued that a calorie is a calorie just like you. I generally don't participate on this forum, but I searched Freelee to see what people were saying, and then shared my point of view. And I've been put on the defensive from that point to the present.
Cheers.
You've been put on the defensive for making incorrect statements and hopefully not for your choices in diet.
Eat how you prefer. If it gets you closer to your goals and it's sustainable and healthy then go for it. But making statements such as "fat makes you fat" and that a calorie isn't a calorie is flat out incorrect.
Dude, that's your opinion. Your opinion is that my statements are incorrect. I disagree with you. I'm stating my opinion. I believe the research that I've considered validates my point of view. You believe that the research you've considered validates that I'm wrong. So what?
The difference is that you guys often feel that a photo with abs = expert. Or that the majority opinion = the correct opinion.
I disagree with both of those assertions.
The experts I trust are Neal Barnard, T. Colin Campbell, Caldwell Esselstyn, John McDougall. And I'm not alone. So do people like Samuel L. Jackson, Mac Danzig, Bill Clinton, Russell Brand, to name a few.
The majority opinion is not always correct. In the 50's the majority opinion was that smoking was not bad for your health.
Don't make the mistake of thinking that no one has the right to challenge your point of view. I welcome the challenge, but a simple assertion by anyone that says I'm wrong because they're right and they have abs is childish.
Well, you have to admit it's pretty difficult to argue that "fat makes you fat" when you have someone who is lean with a healthy bodyweight telling you they eat 100g a fat a day.
Here is the only statement you can present that no one will argue with: "801010 is working for me." The caveat being that you have been doing it for a short period of time, and it may or may not have a negative long term effect on you - you don't know until/if that time comes.
Half of this board, however, WILL argue with a statement like "fat makes you fat" when so many people are NOT fat living on moderate to high fat diets, or have gotten exceptionally lean eating a moderate to high fat diet. I eat ~70g of fat a day. I'm losing weight. So fat makes me fat? Oh ok.0 -
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I tried vegan for a bit. Too f'in hard to get protein without loading up on soy, and non-whey protein powders were nasty.
I know .. herbivore mammals are so under nourished and scrawny .... how could they 'possibly' get enough protein from plants?../sarcasm :huh:
I bet it has nothing to do with the fact that some of them have special stomachs designed to extract nutrients from plants.0 -
I challenge you to post one piece of research indicating that fat makes you fat independent of state of energy balance.
I never made that assertion as you've qualified it.
But look up "Meat consumption and prospective weight change in participants of the EPIC-PANACEA study".
Results: Total meat consumption was positively associated with weight gain in men and women, in normal-weight and overweight subjects, and in smokers and nonsmokers.
"We adjusted for initial BMI, physical activity, educational level, smoking status, total energy intake, and plausible misreporting."
Did you get that? Weight gain associated with meat consumption was determined by the study EVEN AFTER CONTROLLING FOR CALORIES. That's what "total energy intake" means.
What is in meat? Protein and fat. No carbs.
I used all caps not to yell, but I don't want to take the time to mess around with bold and italics because different systems have different html code. Waste of time for me.0 -
How do you explain these examples where people on high fat diets lose weight?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12091753
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/7
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2780863/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/158178500 -
I tried vegan for a bit. Too f'in hard to get protein without loading up on soy, and non-whey protein powders were nasty.
I know .. herbivore mammals are so under nourished and scrawny .... how could they 'possibly' get enough protein from plants?../sarcasm :huh:
I bet it has nothing to do with the fact that some of them have special stomachs designed to extract nutrients from plants.
Like gorillas.0 -
How do you explain these examples where people on high fat diets lose weight?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12091753
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/7
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2780863/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15817850
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How do you explain these examples where people on high fat diets lose weight?
ketosis
Really? Really?!?
Look, I am a ketard. I'm averaging almost 80% calories from fat daily, just because. But, even I am not going to make the claim that I am losing weight because I am in ketosis. I am losing weight because eating this macro combination happens to work well (for me, not everyone) at controlling my cravings and I'm eating fewer calories than I burn.0 -
How do you explain these examples where people on high fat diets lose weight?
ketosis
Really? Really?!?
Look, I am a ketard. I'm averaging almost 80% calories from fat daily, just because. But, even I am not going to make the claim that I am losing weight because I am in ketosis. I am losing weight because eating this macro combination happens to work well (for me, not everyone) at controlling my cravings and I'm eating fewer calories than I burn.
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I tried vegan for a bit. Too f'in hard to get protein without loading up on soy, and non-whey protein powders were nasty.
I know .. herbivore mammals are so under nourished and scrawny .... how could they 'possibly' get enough protein from plants?../sarcasm :huh:
I bet it has nothing to do with the fact that some of them have special stomachs designed to extract nutrients from plants.
Like gorillas.
Gorillas eat insects.0 -
I tried vegan for a bit. Too f'in hard to get protein without loading up on soy, and non-whey protein powders were nasty.
I know .. herbivore mammals are so under nourished and scrawny .... how could they 'possibly' get enough protein from plants?../sarcasm :huh:
I bet it has nothing to do with the fact that some of them have special stomachs designed to extract nutrients from plants.
Like gorillas.
Gorillas eat insects.
:bigsmile:
*Sits back shoving popcorn in her mouth and giggling* This is getting REALLY good...0 -
At least the research SideSteel relies on is unbiased. There is no research that concludes that fat makes you fat, or anything that you've suggested.Dude, that's your opinion. Your opinion is that my statements are incorrect. I disagree with you. I'm stating my opinion. I believe the research that I've considered validates my point of view. You believe that the research you've considered validates that I'm wrong. So what?
These aren't nutrition experts. None of them. They are PETA-funded propagandists. Their ideas, books, blogs etc. are solely biased towards the PETA ideology.The experts I trust are Neal Barnard, T. Colin Campbell, Caldwell Esselstyn, John McDougall.
The scientific method, however, is correct. In the 50's any available science concluded smoking WAS bad for your health. No science showed otherwise then or now.The majority opinion is not always correct. In the 50's the majority opinion was that smoking was not bad for your health.
The scientific method tells us that animal foods are absolutely healthy. That is undeniable. The only argument comes from vegan activists using propaganda, faulty science and outright lies.
Steel is right not because of his abs, but because of the independent research he's done and the conclusion he's reached for himself. If you consider "Forks over Knives" or PETA shills to be independent, you're either sadly ignorant or deluded.Don't make the mistake of thinking that no one has the right to challenge your point of view. I welcome the challenge, but a simple assertion by anyone that says I'm wrong because they're right and they have abs is childish.0 -
Wait. Wait, wait wait wait, why is anyone taking health advice from someone named "Freelee The Banana Girl"?0
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FYI, I maintain ketosis - I have for 99.9% of the last 41 months now. And I *GAIN* weight anytime I take in an excess of calories. Which I do twice a year during my "bulking" phase. And not a huge excess either - about 20-25% excess will have me steadily gain weight, just like a 20-25% deficit will have me lose it.How do you explain these examples where people on high fat diets lose weight?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12091753
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/7
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2780863/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15817850
ketosis
Believe me, if I could eat 5,000 calories a day without exercising and maintain my weight, I would. I love food. But it just isn't going to happen.0 -
Wait. Wait, wait wait wait, why is anyone taking health advice from someone named "Freelee The Banana Girl"?
Because people will believe almost anything to see on the interwebz.
I'm a french model.0 -
Because bananasWait. Wait, wait wait wait, why is anyone taking health advice from someone named "Freelee The Banana Girl"?
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I tried vegan for a bit. Too f'in hard to get protein without loading up on soy, and non-whey protein powders were nasty.
I know .. herbivore mammals are so under nourished and scrawny .... how could they 'possibly' get enough protein from plants?../sarcasm :huh:
I bet it has nothing to do with the fact that some of them have special stomachs designed to extract nutrients from plants.
Some do - but there are plenty of plant based proteins that we can digest....
Nuts! and seeds
Beans and Pulses
Grains (Quinoa for example)
Fofu etc...etc...
There's zero need to be low on protein on a meat free diet.
P.S I eat meat because evolution made it tasty :-p0 -
I have been eating 80/10/10 for at least 6 months now, and recently started adding in calories. I eat about 3,000 per day; I'm a 55 year old male.
I ride my bike about 75-100 miles (4-6 hours) per week on average.
As Freelee says carbs don't make you fat. It's a big fallacy. Fat makes you fat. Animal products make you fat.
A calorie is not a calorie. Fiber is essential. Also look at John McDougall's work.
Another YouTube person to watch that will better explain is Jay at PlantbasedAthlete.
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True, you don't have to. But many many people going vegan don't think about that for even a second. They eat salads and bananas all day and think they're healthy. And that leads to them severely lacking in protein and dietary fats.I tried vegan for a bit. Too f'in hard to get protein without loading up on soy, and non-whey protein powders were nasty.
I know .. herbivore mammals are so under nourished and scrawny .... how could they 'possibly' get enough protein from plants?../sarcasm :huh:
I bet it has nothing to do with the fact that some of them have special stomachs designed to extract nutrients from plants.
Some do - but there are plenty of plant based proteins that we can digest....
Nuts! and seeds
Beans and Pulses
Grains (Quinoa for example)
Fofu etc...etc...
There's zero need to be low on protein on a meat free diet.
It's the reason I prefer omnivorous diets. It's virtually impossible to be under the minimum recommendations for protein and fats on even the worst omnivorous diets. They might be lacking minerals and vitamins though. But those can be gotten by pretty much any fruits and vegetables while the other way around there's only a select few kinds of fruit and vegetables that are high enough in fat or protein to sustain a person.0 -
True, you don't have to. But many many people going vegan don't think about that for even a second. They eat salads and bananas all day and think they're healthy. And that leads to them severely lacking in protein and dietary fats.
It's the reason I prefer omnivorous diets. It's virtually impossible to be under the minimum recommendations for protein and fats on even the worst omnivorous diets. They might be lacking minerals and vitamins though. But those can be gotten by pretty much any fruits and vegetables while the other way around there's only a select few kinds of fruit and vegetables that are high enough in fat or protein to sustain a person.
Completely agree. I guess some folks jump into it feet first without adequate research.0 -
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I tried vegan for a bit. Too f'in hard to get protein without loading up on soy, and non-whey protein powders were nasty.
I know .. herbivore mammals are so under nourished and scrawny .... how could they 'possibly' get enough protein from plants?../sarcasm :huh:
I bet it has nothing to do with the fact that some of them have special stomachs designed to extract nutrients from plants.
Some do - but there are plenty of plant based proteins that we can digest....
Nuts! and seeds
Beans and Pulses
Grains (Quinoa for example)
Fofu etc...etc...
There's zero need to be low on protein on a meat free diet.
P.S I eat meat because evolution made it tasty :-p
Herbivores do not eat those foods. Cows eat grass, not tofu stir-fries with quinoa.
Yes, some people can do well on a vegan diet. But it IS harder to get protein if you're looking to get ~30% of your calories from protein and many vegans who are trying to get enough protein load up on soy and supplements. The alternative is to sit around eating vegetables all day long like an herbivore would. Ain't nobody got time (or the TP) for that.0 -
Patiently awaiting a sensible response from 5iii.
I'm not sure what the question is.
Here's what I know: There's plenty of chatter on here about how my diet can't work, and that it won't work for them. And that the low carb high fat high protein style is what works.
But the thing is, you haven't tried it. You are going by what you've read what you've heard. That's fine, I don't care that much really. Do as you will, it's your body your health.
But I've eaten successfully both ways. I thought I was doing great on the low carb high everything else diet, at the time. I get it. But I know which is better for me, I know I can ride my bike really hard for a half day in a mountain bike race and not be sore the next day. I know that I'm lifting more in the health club and not suffering from nagging shoulder injuries that I could not shake on other diets.
So we can go round and round all day long, all night, days on end... whatever. But until you've done it for a reasonable amount of time, you are basing your opinion on preconceived notions formulated from the information you've chosen to consider. That is the very definition of BIAS.0 -
But the thing is, you haven't tried it. You are going by what you've read what you've heard. That's fine, I don't care that much really. Do as you will, it's your body your health.
How do you know what other people have tried?0
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