Your food is no cleaner than mine
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^^^^^^^When anyone tells me about their clean eating or Paleo diet or Primal etc etc... I just wonder what fad they're going to try next.0 -
Just for interest a study claiming that whole food is better than processed food!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20613890
Except that's not what the study actually tested as both the whole food test meal and processed test meal used heavily processed ingredients. And i'm sure the higher protein of the "whole food" test meal is in no way a confounder. Do you even read the full studies?0 -
When anyone tells me about their clean eating or Paleo diet or Primal etc etc... I just wonder what fad they're going to try next.
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I eat clean.
I always clean my vegs before cooking it.0 -
Right TennisDude.
Someone who's not Paleo telling me I'm not Paleo is just about as valid as someone who's not a clean eater telling a clean eater their diet isn't clean.
But, sometimes it's good to have something to argue about, and diet theories are relatively harmless in the grand scheme of things.
(I will now patiently await someone to search my journal and see that I ate OMG PIZZA!!! this week!)
Make sure to point out that PIZZA is NOT paleo.
Simple, ask a clean eater what clean eating, 99% of the time, they do not adhere to their own definition. But apparently that isn't valid
Which blows my mind. Do they not realize by saying "I eat clean 80% of the time and 20% I eat what I want"...OH, so...moderation? Like the rest of us?
Do they just need the label?
It's just a way for them to feel superior since they don't have much to brag about!0 -
Right TennisDude.
Someone who's not Paleo telling me I'm not Paleo is just about as valid as someone who's not a clean eater telling a clean eater their diet isn't clean.
But, sometimes it's good to have something to argue about, and diet theories are relatively harmless in the grand scheme of things.
(I will now patiently await someone to search my journal and see that I ate OMG PIZZA!!! this week!)
Make sure to point out that PIZZA is NOT paleo.
Simple, ask a clean eater what clean eating, 99% of the time, they do not adhere to their own definition. But apparently that isn't valid
So the purpose of this thread is to get 99% of the clean eaters to try and define their version of the diet and then call them out on it!
Great, sounds like fun!0 -
You do realize that by and large the only people who talk about dirty food are those who are against clean eating right? I've never heard any clean eater talk about food being dirty; most don't get close to even judging other people's food choices. Most of the clean eaters I know or those like me who subscribe to the idea of clean eating don't think of clean as being a moral judgment or of other foods are dirty. Usually clean is used in these contexts to mean not possessing things that individual doesn't want to put in their body - therefore, the opposite to clean isn't dirty, it's things they just don't want to put in their body. At worst the opposite of clean eating is eating 'undesirable' things, but since it's more or less defined individually, I hardly see how that's prblematic. Food is always desriable or undesirable on an individual basis - just because I hate celery because it tastes icky to me, and therefore its undesirable and I don't want to eat it, does that somehow affect you and your relationship with celery? If it does, that's a problem with you, not with me.
People all have different views on what is healthy or unhealthy, and what they want to put in their body. If someone wants to chose not to put animal products, or processed food, or pesticides, or GMOs into their body, why do you care? Its their personal food choices, and you shouldn't get to judge them for it, even if what you're judging is how they describe their eating style.
I think it's argumentative to try and say that labelling something clean MUST mean that anything else is dirty, and that it's ridiculous to judge a way of eating on nothing more than its name. Naming conventions aren't about being perfectly descriptive, they're about being catchy. If you have to get all philosophical to find a good argument against a person choosing to eat clean, I think you're really reaching. That, and clean's a perfectly acceptable way of describing most of these food plans. They're based largely on eliminating undesirable (defined by each individual or individual plan) elements from our food and diet - that's one meaning of clean.
It can't be forgotten that words have many meanings or slightly different meanings depending on context. Yes, in some contexts clean and dirty have moral connotations; in others, they really really don't. Reading those kinds of things into this context is quite beside the point and actually rather inappropriate. I'd say that to anyone on either side of the debate, but honestly, I've only ever seen it from clean eating bashers.
Bolded part is false! There are a lot of elitist clean eaters that will come out of the woodwork to label a single food item as bad, dirty, junk, etc.
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater. By and large most of the ones I know say to each their own - this is how they choose to eat, and you choosing to eat differently is just fine and dandy; they wish you luck and hope it goes great for you. Clean eating bashers on the other hand (at least the bashers I largely see) aren't happy until everyone is conforming to their idea of eating, which usually is something like IIFYM.
I'm sure there are ****ty clean eaters out there, and I'm sorry if you've encountered them. Unfortunately there are ****ty people in every walk of life - are you always going to judge a whole group by a few bad individuals? I dislike bashers but I don't judge all IIFYMers by those few bad apples.0 -
You do realize that by and large the only people who talk about dirty food are those who are against clean eating right? I've never heard any clean eater talk about food being dirty; most don't get close to even judging other people's food choices. Most of the clean eaters I know or those like me who subscribe to the idea of clean eating don't think of clean as being a moral judgment or of other foods are dirty. Usually clean is used in these contexts to mean not possessing things that individual doesn't want to put in their body - therefore, the opposite to clean isn't dirty, it's things they just don't want to put in their body. At worst the opposite of clean eating is eating 'undesirable' things, but since it's more or less defined individually, I hardly see how that's prblematic. Food is always desriable or undesirable on an individual basis - just because I hate celery because it tastes icky to me, and therefore its undesirable and I don't want to eat it, does that somehow affect you and your relationship with celery? If it does, that's a problem with you, not with me.
What do you call food that isn't "clean?"0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.0 -
You're in Austin; this doesn't surprise me in the least. Instead of "keep Austin weird" the shirts should say "keep Austin pretentious and full of *kitten*"...The following comment does not apply to all "clean" eaters...but some of them...
I hate shopping in the same store with some of them...they are obnoxious! rude! judgmental!
I avoid Whole Foods...not only the prices but the shoppers.
Trader Joes can be almost as bad but the prices are reasonable.
I shop now at my neighborhood Sprouts (though I have been in some of them where it is almost as bad). For some reason this one is different...no rude...obnoxious...judgmental people.
A couple of months ago I stopped in a Whole Foods to pick up this bread that I wanted to try...it was packed with some of the rudest people that I have ever seen...each one of them with the attitude that they were the most important shopper in the store.
Okay...that is my rant and rave...I don't care how someone chooses to eat as long as they keep their attitudes to themselves.
Oh...one last rant...
They turn their noses up at processed food...all the while they are eating their processed Greek yogurt...(don't get me wrong...I eat Greek yogurt...love the caramel macchiato that Dannons puts out...just finished one).
I never have understood the need to label foods or diets. Can't we just eat the foods we enjoy whether they are mostly whole foods or not? Even the people who scream to defend ice cream and fast food still eat a majority of whole foods, everyone just assumes they eat "junk" constantly because they defend eating it on the forums.
The best part, the people who eat "clean" 80% of the time have a food diary that looks remarkably like an IIFYM food diary...0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater.
:huh: You must not spend much time on these forums.0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater. By and large most of the ones I know say to each their own - this is how they choose to eat, and you choosing to eat differently is just fine and dandy; they wish you luck and hope it goes great for you. Clean eating bashers on the other hand (at least the bashers I largely see) aren't happy until everyone is conforming to their idea of eating, which usually is something like IIFYM.
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You do realize that by and large the only people who talk about dirty food are those who are against clean eating right? I've never heard any clean eater talk about food being dirty; most don't get close to even judging other people's food choices. Most of the clean eaters I know or those like me who subscribe to the idea of clean eating don't think of clean as being a moral judgment or of other foods are dirty. Usually clean is used in these contexts to mean not possessing things that individual doesn't want to put in their body - therefore, the opposite to clean isn't dirty, it's things they just don't want to put in their body. At worst the opposite of clean eating is eating 'undesirable' things, but since it's more or less defined individually, I hardly see how that's prblematic. Food is always desriable or undesirable on an individual basis - just because I hate celery because it tastes icky to me, and therefore its undesirable and I don't want to eat it, does that somehow affect you and your relationship with celery? If it does, that's a problem with you, not with me.
People all have different views on what is healthy or unhealthy, and what they want to put in their body. If someone wants to chose not to put animal products, or processed food, or pesticides, or GMOs into their body, why do you care? Its their personal food choices, and you shouldn't get to judge them for it, even if what you're judging is how they describe their eating style.
I think it's argumentative to try and say that labelling something clean MUST mean that anything else is dirty, and that it's ridiculous to judge a way of eating on nothing more than its name. Naming conventions aren't about being perfectly descriptive, they're about being catchy. If you have to get all philosophical to find a good argument against a person choosing to eat clean, I think you're really reaching. That, and clean's a perfectly acceptable way of describing most of these food plans. They're based largely on eliminating undesirable (defined by each individual or individual plan) elements from our food and diet - that's one meaning of clean.
It can't be forgotten that words have many meanings or slightly different meanings depending on context. Yes, in some contexts clean and dirty have moral connotations; in others, they really really don't. Reading those kinds of things into this context is quite beside the point and actually rather inappropriate. I'd say that to anyone on either side of the debate, but honestly, I've only ever seen it from clean eating bashers.
It's not about people talking about dirty food, it is about all other food automatically becoming dirty, because somebody tries to tell you what clean foods are. It's just a process of elimination. So if I'm sitting there eating some delicious friend chicken, and somebody is eating an apple, and drinking a protein shake, and they tell me they only eat clean unprocessed foods, such as blah blah blah, and blah, they are telling me that my friend chicken that isn't on their list is dirty. Then the *kitten* hits the fan when I tell them about how clean their protein shake, or shakeology, or isogenix is.0 -
Right TennisDude.
Someone who's not Paleo telling me I'm not Paleo is just about as valid as someone who's not a clean eater telling a clean eater their diet isn't clean.
But, sometimes it's good to have something to argue about, and diet theories are relatively harmless in the grand scheme of things.
(I will now patiently await someone to search my journal and see that I ate OMG PIZZA!!! this week!)
Make sure to point out that PIZZA is NOT paleo.
Simple, ask a clean eater what clean eating, 99% of the time, they do not adhere to their own definition. But apparently that isn't valid
Which blows my mind. Do they not realize by saying "I eat clean 80% of the time and 20% I eat what I want"...OH, so...moderation? Like the rest of us?
Do they just need the label?
It's just a way for them to feel superior since they don't have much to brag about!
So why is your label/name of how to eat (moderation, IIFYM, etc.) better than ours? Or is your opinion of a lifestyle/diet that you must follow it to the letter 100% of the time, no exceptions ever, or you're not following it? What about diets that PURPOSEFULLY have you follow an 80%/20% type of plan? What do you call those then?
It's INCREDIBLY rude, arrogant and superior to say that those whe call themselves clean eaters are just doing it to be superior becuase they have nothing else to brag about. Labels exist to be an easier way of describing something - instead of specifically stating everything you do or don't eat, or everything you think about food, it's much more practical to simply say clean, or Primal, or IIFYM, etc.You label your way of eating too - so are you just a person who wants a label to feel superior because you have nothing to brag about?0 -
You do realize that by and large the only people who talk about dirty food are those who are against clean eating right? I've never heard any clean eater talk about food being dirty; most don't get close to even judging other people's food choices. Most of the clean eaters I know or those like me who subscribe to the idea of clean eating don't think of clean as being a moral judgment or of other foods are dirty. Usually clean is used in these contexts to mean not possessing things that individual doesn't want to put in their body - therefore, the opposite to clean isn't dirty, it's things they just don't want to put in their body. At worst the opposite of clean eating is eating 'undesirable' things, but since it's more or less defined individually, I hardly see how that's prblematic. Food is always desriable or undesirable on an individual basis - just because I hate celery because it tastes icky to me, and therefore its undesirable and I don't want to eat it, does that somehow affect you and your relationship with celery? If it does, that's a problem with you, not with me.
What do you call food that isn't "clean?"
Nothing - it's just food that I personally don't want to make a focus of my diet. For my eating clean means focusing my diet on particular kinds of foods (ones that don't have or are low in things I don't want to eat) - everything else is still food, just not food that I try to eat much of.It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
Sorry, it is. I've never seen a clean eater, here or anywhere else, that bashes people who don't eat clean like they do, or don't eat clean at all.0 -
I forget what we are arguring about - I think alot more people probbaly eat clean than they realize!
----> Clean eating is a dietary approach that advocates consuming food in its "most natural state."
Soooo, like eating a banana instead of a banana laffy taffee? Or eating a corn chip instead of a doritto? Maybe I'm dumb to this idea, but is there really more to it than that? Because from the sounds of it, I guess i am a "clean eater" afterall! More out of laziness than anything i guess, I mean, I know how to grow corn but i'll be damned if I know how to make a Doritto. It actualyl sounds like clean eating is awesome! And would totallt work - my vote's yes, eating a grapefruit instead of eating a grapefruit mentos IS more healthy, and WILL help you feel better!!!
Unless Im missung something, I'm totally on board for this - 80% of the time, because im not sure what the natural state of a cadbury caramel egg is.... that being said, if someone knows, please tell me, because i would love to go tap the source.0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
Right? I don't think I can count the number of "Eat what you want, enjoy getting cancer" posts I have seen from clean eaters.
Wow, must be a high number.0 -
Then you clearly haven't been paying attention.You do realize that by and large the only people who talk about dirty food are those who are against clean eating right? I've never heard any clean eater talk about food being dirty; most don't get close to even judging other people's food choices. Most of the clean eaters I know or those like me who subscribe to the idea of clean eating don't think of clean as being a moral judgment or of other foods are dirty. Usually clean is used in these contexts to mean not possessing things that individual doesn't want to put in their body - therefore, the opposite to clean isn't dirty, it's things they just don't want to put in their body. At worst the opposite of clean eating is eating 'undesirable' things, but since it's more or less defined individually, I hardly see how that's prblematic. Food is always desriable or undesirable on an individual basis - just because I hate celery because it tastes icky to me, and therefore its undesirable and I don't want to eat it, does that somehow affect you and your relationship with celery? If it does, that's a problem with you, not with me.
What do you call food that isn't "clean?"
Nothing - it's just food that I personally don't want to make a focus of my diet. For my eating clean means focusing my diet on particular kinds of foods (ones that don't have or are low in things I don't want to eat) - everything else is still food, just not food that I try to eat much of.It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
Sorry, it is. I've never seen a clean eater, here or anywhere else, that bashes people who don't eat clean like they do, or don't eat clean at all.0
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