Your food is no cleaner than mine
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You're in Austin; this doesn't surprise me in the least. Instead of "keep Austin weird" the shirts should say "keep Austin pretentious and full of *kitten*"...The following comment does not apply to all "clean" eaters...but some of them...
I hate shopping in the same store with some of them...they are obnoxious! rude! judgmental!
I avoid Whole Foods...not only the prices but the shoppers.
Trader Joes can be almost as bad but the prices are reasonable.
I shop now at my neighborhood Sprouts (though I have been in some of them where it is almost as bad). For some reason this one is different...no rude...obnoxious...judgmental people.
A couple of months ago I stopped in a Whole Foods to pick up this bread that I wanted to try...it was packed with some of the rudest people that I have ever seen...each one of them with the attitude that they were the most important shopper in the store.
Okay...that is my rant and rave...I don't care how someone chooses to eat as long as they keep their attitudes to themselves.
Oh...one last rant...
They turn their noses up at processed food...all the while they are eating their processed Greek yogurt...(don't get me wrong...I eat Greek yogurt...love the caramel macchiato that Dannons puts out...just finished one).
I never have understood the need to label foods or diets. Can't we just eat the foods we enjoy whether they are mostly whole foods or not? Even the people who scream to defend ice cream and fast food still eat a majority of whole foods, everyone just assumes they eat "junk" constantly because they defend eating it on the forums.
The best part, the people who eat "clean" 80% of the time have a food diary that looks remarkably like an IIFYM food diary...0 -
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It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater.
:huh: You must not spend much time on these forums.0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater. By and large most of the ones I know say to each their own - this is how they choose to eat, and you choosing to eat differently is just fine and dandy; they wish you luck and hope it goes great for you. Clean eating bashers on the other hand (at least the bashers I largely see) aren't happy until everyone is conforming to their idea of eating, which usually is something like IIFYM.
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You do realize that by and large the only people who talk about dirty food are those who are against clean eating right? I've never heard any clean eater talk about food being dirty; most don't get close to even judging other people's food choices. Most of the clean eaters I know or those like me who subscribe to the idea of clean eating don't think of clean as being a moral judgment or of other foods are dirty. Usually clean is used in these contexts to mean not possessing things that individual doesn't want to put in their body - therefore, the opposite to clean isn't dirty, it's things they just don't want to put in their body. At worst the opposite of clean eating is eating 'undesirable' things, but since it's more or less defined individually, I hardly see how that's prblematic. Food is always desriable or undesirable on an individual basis - just because I hate celery because it tastes icky to me, and therefore its undesirable and I don't want to eat it, does that somehow affect you and your relationship with celery? If it does, that's a problem with you, not with me.
People all have different views on what is healthy or unhealthy, and what they want to put in their body. If someone wants to chose not to put animal products, or processed food, or pesticides, or GMOs into their body, why do you care? Its their personal food choices, and you shouldn't get to judge them for it, even if what you're judging is how they describe their eating style.
I think it's argumentative to try and say that labelling something clean MUST mean that anything else is dirty, and that it's ridiculous to judge a way of eating on nothing more than its name. Naming conventions aren't about being perfectly descriptive, they're about being catchy. If you have to get all philosophical to find a good argument against a person choosing to eat clean, I think you're really reaching. That, and clean's a perfectly acceptable way of describing most of these food plans. They're based largely on eliminating undesirable (defined by each individual or individual plan) elements from our food and diet - that's one meaning of clean.
It can't be forgotten that words have many meanings or slightly different meanings depending on context. Yes, in some contexts clean and dirty have moral connotations; in others, they really really don't. Reading those kinds of things into this context is quite beside the point and actually rather inappropriate. I'd say that to anyone on either side of the debate, but honestly, I've only ever seen it from clean eating bashers.
It's not about people talking about dirty food, it is about all other food automatically becoming dirty, because somebody tries to tell you what clean foods are. It's just a process of elimination. So if I'm sitting there eating some delicious friend chicken, and somebody is eating an apple, and drinking a protein shake, and they tell me they only eat clean unprocessed foods, such as blah blah blah, and blah, they are telling me that my friend chicken that isn't on their list is dirty. Then the *kitten* hits the fan when I tell them about how clean their protein shake, or shakeology, or isogenix is.0 -
Right TennisDude.
Someone who's not Paleo telling me I'm not Paleo is just about as valid as someone who's not a clean eater telling a clean eater their diet isn't clean.
But, sometimes it's good to have something to argue about, and diet theories are relatively harmless in the grand scheme of things.
(I will now patiently await someone to search my journal and see that I ate OMG PIZZA!!! this week!)
Make sure to point out that PIZZA is NOT paleo.
Simple, ask a clean eater what clean eating, 99% of the time, they do not adhere to their own definition. But apparently that isn't valid
Which blows my mind. Do they not realize by saying "I eat clean 80% of the time and 20% I eat what I want"...OH, so...moderation? Like the rest of us?
Do they just need the label?
It's just a way for them to feel superior since they don't have much to brag about!
So why is your label/name of how to eat (moderation, IIFYM, etc.) better than ours? Or is your opinion of a lifestyle/diet that you must follow it to the letter 100% of the time, no exceptions ever, or you're not following it? What about diets that PURPOSEFULLY have you follow an 80%/20% type of plan? What do you call those then?
It's INCREDIBLY rude, arrogant and superior to say that those whe call themselves clean eaters are just doing it to be superior becuase they have nothing else to brag about. Labels exist to be an easier way of describing something - instead of specifically stating everything you do or don't eat, or everything you think about food, it's much more practical to simply say clean, or Primal, or IIFYM, etc.You label your way of eating too - so are you just a person who wants a label to feel superior because you have nothing to brag about?0 -
You do realize that by and large the only people who talk about dirty food are those who are against clean eating right? I've never heard any clean eater talk about food being dirty; most don't get close to even judging other people's food choices. Most of the clean eaters I know or those like me who subscribe to the idea of clean eating don't think of clean as being a moral judgment or of other foods are dirty. Usually clean is used in these contexts to mean not possessing things that individual doesn't want to put in their body - therefore, the opposite to clean isn't dirty, it's things they just don't want to put in their body. At worst the opposite of clean eating is eating 'undesirable' things, but since it's more or less defined individually, I hardly see how that's prblematic. Food is always desriable or undesirable on an individual basis - just because I hate celery because it tastes icky to me, and therefore its undesirable and I don't want to eat it, does that somehow affect you and your relationship with celery? If it does, that's a problem with you, not with me.
What do you call food that isn't "clean?"
Nothing - it's just food that I personally don't want to make a focus of my diet. For my eating clean means focusing my diet on particular kinds of foods (ones that don't have or are low in things I don't want to eat) - everything else is still food, just not food that I try to eat much of.It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
Sorry, it is. I've never seen a clean eater, here or anywhere else, that bashes people who don't eat clean like they do, or don't eat clean at all.0 -
I forget what we are arguring about - I think alot more people probbaly eat clean than they realize!
----> Clean eating is a dietary approach that advocates consuming food in its "most natural state."
Soooo, like eating a banana instead of a banana laffy taffee? Or eating a corn chip instead of a doritto? Maybe I'm dumb to this idea, but is there really more to it than that? Because from the sounds of it, I guess i am a "clean eater" afterall! More out of laziness than anything i guess, I mean, I know how to grow corn but i'll be damned if I know how to make a Doritto. It actualyl sounds like clean eating is awesome! And would totallt work - my vote's yes, eating a grapefruit instead of eating a grapefruit mentos IS more healthy, and WILL help you feel better!!!
Unless Im missung something, I'm totally on board for this - 80% of the time, because im not sure what the natural state of a cadbury caramel egg is.... that being said, if someone knows, please tell me, because i would love to go tap the source.0 -
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
Right? I don't think I can count the number of "Eat what you want, enjoy getting cancer" posts I have seen from clean eaters.
Wow, must be a high number.0 -
Then you clearly haven't been paying attention.You do realize that by and large the only people who talk about dirty food are those who are against clean eating right? I've never heard any clean eater talk about food being dirty; most don't get close to even judging other people's food choices. Most of the clean eaters I know or those like me who subscribe to the idea of clean eating don't think of clean as being a moral judgment or of other foods are dirty. Usually clean is used in these contexts to mean not possessing things that individual doesn't want to put in their body - therefore, the opposite to clean isn't dirty, it's things they just don't want to put in their body. At worst the opposite of clean eating is eating 'undesirable' things, but since it's more or less defined individually, I hardly see how that's prblematic. Food is always desriable or undesirable on an individual basis - just because I hate celery because it tastes icky to me, and therefore its undesirable and I don't want to eat it, does that somehow affect you and your relationship with celery? If it does, that's a problem with you, not with me.
What do you call food that isn't "clean?"
Nothing - it's just food that I personally don't want to make a focus of my diet. For my eating clean means focusing my diet on particular kinds of foods (ones that don't have or are low in things I don't want to eat) - everything else is still food, just not food that I try to eat much of.It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater
This cannot be true. You are on the MFP boards. You can't possibly not have come across that.
Sorry, it is. I've never seen a clean eater, here or anywhere else, that bashes people who don't eat clean like they do, or don't eat clean at all.0 -
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Right TennisDude.
Someone who's not Paleo telling me I'm not Paleo is just about as valid as someone who's not a clean eater telling a clean eater their diet isn't clean.
But, sometimes it's good to have something to argue about, and diet theories are relatively harmless in the grand scheme of things.
(I will now patiently await someone to search my journal and see that I ate OMG PIZZA!!! this week!)
Make sure to point out that PIZZA is NOT paleo.
Simple, ask a clean eater what clean eating, 99% of the time, they do not adhere to their own definition. But apparently that isn't valid
Which blows my mind. Do they not realize by saying "I eat clean 80% of the time and 20% I eat what I want"...OH, so...moderation? Like the rest of us?
Do they just need the label?
It's just a way for them to feel superior since they don't have much to brag about!
So why is your label/name of how to eat (moderation, IIFYM, etc.) better than ours? Or is your opinion of a lifestyle/diet that you must follow it to the letter 100% of the time, no exceptions ever, or you're not following it? What about diets that PURPOSEFULLY have you follow an 80%/20% type of plan? What do you call those then?
It's INCREDIBLY rude, arrogant and superior to say that those whe call themselves clean eaters are just doing it to be superior becuase they have nothing else to brag about. Labels exist to be an easier way of describing something - instead of specifically stating everything you do or don't eat, or everything you think about food, it's much more practical to simply say clean, or Primal, or IIFYM, etc.You label your way of eating too - so are you just a person who wants a label to feel superior because you have nothing to brag about?
I'm with you. The snarkiest, most aggressive posts I've seen on these boards are from the people who mock newbies who are trying to eat cleaner.0 -
Most of all cancers feed off sugar. Want cancer? Eat up. (Only a few rare varieties feed off of one or two amino acids, vast majority of cancers feed off sugar)
I got this from a book written by an educated doctor
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1267946-stop-singling-out-sugar?page=6#posts-19881860
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As long as you observe the Five Second Rule, it's clean.0
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I'm with you. The snarkiest, most aggressive posts I've seen on these boards are from the people who mock newbies who are trying to eat cleaner.
+1, it makes me want to post nothing but sarcastic remarks for fear I will just get bashed for trying something different...afterall, I came here to make a change, try new things - I believe any attempt at something different and in any way healthy should be rewarded with positivity, this is a scary, lonely journey for many of us.0 -
Love that the OP, from what I gathered, was talking about clean eating being harmful to discourse about food. Not that generalizing these clean-eaters and bashing on them collectively promotes positive discourse...0
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Research Review: The Dirt On Clean Eating Written By Nutrition Expert Alan Aragon
http://www.simplyshredded.com/research-review-the-dirt-on-clean-eating-written-by-nutrition-expert-alan-aragon.html0 -
You do realize that by and large the only people who talk about dirty food are those who are against clean eating right? I've never heard any clean eater talk about food being dirty; most don't get close to even judging other people's food choices. Most of the clean eaters I know or those like me who subscribe to the idea of clean eating don't think of clean as being a moral judgment or of other foods are dirty.
BAW HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
YOU HAVE GOT to be KIDDING ME!!!!
Seriously?
how long have you been here?
where is the nathon Fillion gif.. pefect... or the cage one laughing then he goes straight faced- "no".0 -
What is if I call my way of eating "The Cut Down On Processed Foods and Grains; Eat More Non-Starchy Vegetables, and Lean Protein Diet?" Is that acceptable? :happy: :laugh: :happy:0
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Most of all cancers feed off sugar. Want cancer? Eat up. (Only a few rare varieties feed off of one or two amino acids, vast majority of cancers feed off sugar)
I got this from a book written by an educated doctor
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1267946-stop-singling-out-sugar?page=6#posts-19881860
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Yes but to be fair these quotes are normally from the same handful of people (we all know who).
Just because they say it a hundred times between them, that's still only 5 people.
They just have an extreme view on sugar.
But I would ask from an health and nutritional point is a clean eating diet inferior to other diets? and if so why?0 -
You do realize that by and large the only people who talk about dirty food are those who are against clean eating right? I've never heard any clean eater talk about food being dirty; most don't get close to even judging other people's food choices. Most of the clean eaters I know or those like me who subscribe to the idea of clean eating don't think of clean as being a moral judgment or of other foods are dirty. Usually clean is used in these contexts to mean not possessing things that individual doesn't want to put in their body - therefore, the opposite to clean isn't dirty, it's things they just don't want to put in their body. At worst the opposite of clean eating is eating 'undesirable' things, but since it's more or less defined individually, I hardly see how that's prblematic. Food is always desriable or undesirable on an individual basis - just because I hate celery because it tastes icky to me, and therefore its undesirable and I don't want to eat it, does that somehow affect you and your relationship with celery? If it does, that's a problem with you, not with me.
What do you call food that isn't "clean?"
Nothing - it's just food that I personally don't want to make a focus of my diet. For my eating clean means focusing my diet on particular kinds of foods (ones that don't have or are low in things I don't want to eat) - everything else is still food, just not food that I try to eat much of.
Then what's the point of the label, "clean?" Why use it if there is nothing wrong with foods that are not "clean"?0 -
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I would call it eating a balanced diet. Why does it need a label?What is if I call my way of eating "The Cut Down On Processed Foods and Grains; Eat More Non-Starchy Vegetables, and Lean Protein Diet?" Is that acceptable? :happy: :laugh: :happy:0 -
No kidding. But, some people only see what they want to see
It's not false, I'm saying I've never seen one - I've yet in my life to meet (online or in real life) an elitest clean eater.
:huh: You must not spend much time on these forums.0 -
The following comment does not apply to all "clean" eaters...but some of them...
I hate shopping in the same store with some of them...they are obnoxious! rude! judgmental!
I avoid Whole Foods...not only the prices but the shoppers.
Trader Joes can be almost as bad but the prices are reasonable.
I shop now at my neighborhood Sprouts (though I have been in some of them where it is almost as bad). For some reason this one is different...no rude...obnoxious...judgmental people.
A couple of months ago I stopped in a Whole Foods to pick up this bread that I wanted to try...it was packed with some of the rudest people that I have ever seen...each one of them with the attitude that they were the most important shopper in the store.
Okay...that is my rant and rave...I don't care how someone chooses to eat as long as they keep their attitudes to themselves.
Oh...one last rant...
They turn their noses up at processed food...all the while they are eating their processed Greek yogurt...(don't get me wrong...I eat Greek yogurt...love the caramel macchiato that Dannons puts out...just finished one).
This attitude exists regardless of where you shop! Rudeness is not confined to one particular store, restaurant or even on the forums. I personally don't shop Whole Foods but it is for ethical reasons besides the shoppers. Trust me, you haven't seen rudeness until you have shopped at Walmart! Seriously, there are some nosey parkers at Walmart who do think it is their right to make comments on what you are buying. That happens at every store though so either develop an "If I wanted your opinion, I would give it to you" attitude or don't shop there. If you don't care how someone chooses to eat as long as they keep their opinions to themselves, then why is it ok for you to judge them? Why are you concerning yourself with what they are buying with their money? You do realize that just because they buy something does not mean they themselves consume it. I would hazard a guess as to why your negative attitude is coming out but that is fodder for another thread :laugh:0 -
Now it's just a "you're all mean" thread. No further rational discussion can take place. Abandon ship.
I don't think this thread was designed for rational discussion!0 -
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I would call it eating a balanced diet. Why does it need a label?What is if I call my way of eating "The Cut Down On Processed Foods and Grains; Eat More Non-Starchy Vegetables, and Lean Protein Diet?" Is that acceptable? :happy: :laugh: :happy:
I don't have a diet.
I just eat.0 -
However, OP, I would eat any of the foods you've posted in the "what did you have for dinner, show me in pictures" threads
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I'm with you. The snarkiest, most aggressive posts I've seen on these boards are from the people who mock newbies who are trying to eat cleaner.
Maybe I also haven't been paying attention, but most of the posts of that type I've seen have been motivated, in my opinion, by the hope that newbies trying to eat cleaner will know that (depending on their goals) they don't have to give up everything they love to eat in order to get where they want to go. I know I wouldn't be down 40 pounds today if I hadn't increased my fruits, veggies, and lean meats, but I also know I wouldn't be here at all if I'd thought I had to completely give up my peanut butter M&Ms.0 -
I totallty never wash my celery bundles. I ususally flick the dirt and dead bugs off of them at my cubicle desk, scoop out some peanut butter, double dipping of course, and stick it in my mouth.
I also can't remember the last time I washed my hands while eating at the barn after cleaning a stall of wiping poop off my horse bare handed.
Im a dirty, dirty eater.
I can completely relate and laughed at this :drinker: :flowerforyou:0
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