What YOU should know about GLUTEN SENSITIVITY
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Can anyone that is anti gluten free please explain the rash on my arms that would not heal, leaving a couple dozen scars that still remain ? Doctor thinking it was skin cancer. Not even. Gluten. Anyone else out there with the same experience ?
either you are lying or exaggerating, then again there could be something wrong with you but human nature tells me otherwise, its time like this that make me which House M.D was a real person to either diagnose your ailments and help you through them and hopefully heal you, or to tell you how full of it you really are
How very unkind of you. :huh:
not unkind, honest, is it so hard to believe someone would lie about this or is it so hard to believe that something else could be wrong with this person that has yet to be diagnosed?
Dude. There's honest and then there's whatever you're doing. I think the study is valid but I'm considering switching sides because of your comments.
Stick to your beliefs, people like him are everywhere!
As I like to say "You do you, and I'll do me!"
I wasn't serious about that part. My point was just that I don't want to be associated with that kind of mindset.
:flowerforyou: I know! That was my internet hug to you! Kinda saying, his/her attitude doesn't hurt me-in the least.
I have learned a lot about my issues from this thread. SOB and others have posted in depth intelligent thought processes that have me looking further into my diagnosis, medical issues and help.
I love that drop down arrow 'ignore' :drinker:
You my dear, are a darling that I adore
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Can anyone that is anti gluten free please explain the rash on my arms that would not heal, leaving a couple dozen scars that still remain ? Doctor thinking it was skin cancer. Not even. Gluten. Anyone else out there with the same experience ?
either you are lying or exaggerating, then again there could be something wrong with you but human nature tells me otherwise, its time like this that make me which House M.D was a real person to either diagnose your ailments and help you through them and hopefully heal you, or to tell you how full of it you really are
How very unkind of you. :huh:
not unkind, honest, is it so hard to believe someone would lie about this or is it so hard to believe that something else could be wrong with this person that has yet to be diagnosed?
Dude. There's honest and then there's whatever you're doing. I think the study is valid but I'm considering switching sides because of your comments.
Stick to your beliefs, people like him are everywhere!
As I like to say "You do you, and I'll do me!"
I wasn't serious about that part. My point was just that I don't want to be associated with that kind of mindset.
A balanced view is damn hard to find these days0 -
Yes, and Doctors used to tell woman that cramps and other symptoms of periods, were in the ladies head. Something does not have to be scientifically PROVEN to be a real problem.
BTW I do not have gluten sensitivity. I just have common sense.
Asthma was also considered a psychological disorder until a few years ago when the inflammatory component was proven. Some doctors still take that approach when treating asthma though. Doctors are human; they do make mistakes. I have allergies (many, many, many), asthma, arthritis, lactose intolerance, Raynaud's, and according to one specialist IBS. I argued that I do not have IBS, that the symptoms were related to certain foods of which he said that those foods could trigger IBS. At any rate, I avoid those foods problem solved so I still think those foods are the problem and not IBS. I also don't have a diagnosed gluten sensitivity but see no reason why anything that is ingested including gluten couldn't cause a sensitivity or allergy.
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@13long ,Now,that was hilarious! Thanks for putting a smile on my face today!!!!0
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Can anyone that is anti gluten free please explain the rash on my arms that would not heal, leaving a couple dozen scars that still remain ? Doctor thinking it was skin cancer. Not even. Gluten. Anyone else out there with the same experience ?
either you are lying or exaggerating, then again there could be something wrong with you but human nature tells me otherwise, its time like this that make me which House M.D was a real person to either diagnose your ailments and help you through them and hopefully heal you, or to tell you how full of it you really are
How very unkind of you. :huh:
not unkind, honest, is it so hard to believe someone would lie about this or is it so hard to believe that something else could be wrong with this person that has yet to be diagnosed?
Dude. There's honest and then there's whatever you're doing. I think the study is valid but I'm considering switching sides because of your comments.
then you don't see things from my point of view let me sum up pretty quick
i'm a chef of 10 years experience and i see these alleged "gluten free" people behave like *kitten* because they feel special all while they consume gluten
you get people that will self diagnose themselves with all kind of crazy stuff to make themselves feel special and gluten free is one of them
are all of them *kitten*, no but most of them tend to be when they eat out and they tend to treat servers like crap when doing so
i've had many people tell me they are allergic to the following
garlic, onions, salt, gluten and dairy and they do this while consuming those very same foods, yes the study is important and it helps to prove a point but there is something the study doesn't mention, human behavior
i'd welcome some of you on the gluten free bandwagon to go cook professionally for a little bit or have to work as a server and deal with these people and i don't have to serve these people, i just hear the servers and bartenders complain about it not because of their alleged ailment, but because of how the act because of it, some of them may have serious issues but by and large most of them do it to feel special and gives them an excuse to be *kitten* to people
and you are surprised that people will go to great lengths to feel special?
then i must say you really don't understand people well at all, that or you have never worked in the service industry or at least not long enough to see it, i'm not the only who has provided examples of this, others have as well, i choose to be more blunt about it and get to the point of the matter instead of dilly dallying around the bush for the sake of political correctness when all it does is cloud the truth and leaves misunderstandings and misinterpretations to flourish like a bad rash of misunderstanding
I get it, people are jerks. I've been a carhop, a nanny (that was a bad one) and I worked in customer service for quite some time. I've also been a high school teacher. So I've seen my share of bad behavior.
But don't you get that you're being just as big of a jerk if not more so? And that your attitude is going to turn people off of your argument?
Perhaps you don't care, I don't know. I just think you're taking the behavior of other people WAY too personally.
in my line of work that tends to be very important, its clear very few of you or any of you cook professionally so its not surprising that none of you understand where i'm coming from, well maybe one of you but even then not all the way
i'd invite you to cook for these people or deal with them see if you don't start seeing things my way, beining a nanny or a high school teacher is nothing compared to having to deal with pompous vegan, vegetarian and self diagnosed gluten free people who have a chip on their shoulder, you see it enough it'll change your view on things very very quickly
personally i don't care about convincing people thats your thing but being naive to the fact that people will do certain things to feel special is just plain dumb, at least in my book it is
remember the world and especially people aren't as rosy as one wants to think
I'm not here to get into a pissing match with you about whose line of work has been worse. But can you honestly say that you don't think your comments in this thread have been unkind, only honest? Really?
If you can, then maybe it's not just the GF
eta: your argument isn't even science-based. It's just "these people inconvenience me, therefore they're lying."
i don't need it to be science based when someone else has provided the scientific basis for this argument, its about people being *kitten* to other people simply because they feel they have a special need that really doesn't exist
as far as being unkind i see nothing unkind by calling into question what some people feel to be true when science itself puts into question what they believe, and i have dealt with people like that for quite some time now and i can tell you at least in my experience people tend to believe what some crazy fad diet says they should do, be it lo carb, no carb or gluten sensitivities, people just show themselves to be sheep looking for something to make them feel special while being a burden on others, its just people being people0 -
beining a nanny or a high school teacher is nothing:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
ILHA, ya lazy whiner.
Kids and teens are nothing compared to hungry people.
Hey, do nannies have to cook while they watch the kiddos? What about high school teachers? Do they have to deal with allergies or value clashes?
To the professional cook, make it easy on yourself. Explain to vegans and gluten free people that you can't guarantee that anything can be made vegan or gluten free in your kitchen due to cross contamination. (The big "gluten free" dining thing is often pretty sketchy because of that. It's why places like Starbucks won't label any of their products as gluten free. It's a big deal to people who have Celiac.) The people who care will leave, those who don't you can cook for more easily.
thats the thing i don't have to explain anythign to them, thats what the servers are there for, i just feel really bad for them because they have to deal with these people, i've seen plenty of them brought to tears by how unbearable these people can be, for me i feel fine, its the servers who i tend to have a lot of sympathy for, as for dealing with children, i'll take that as a vacation sometimes as i have done that before, while it is tough its nothing compared to working the line especially during summer, i've seen construction workers wuss out after a few weeks on the line during summer so there you have it
i'll admit i am an *kitten* about this issue but i find that i'd rather have my point made clearly than to be nice and have any misunderstandings as to what my opinion is on a certain issue
and as i've stated before, there is a difference between someone living with celiacs disease and someone who is just lying about it to feel special
personally i will bend over backwards and break my own back to make sure someone with celiacs disease enjoys a fine meal and the best meal possible, but for these people that allege they have a gluten sensitivity i have little to no sympathy for them at all as they usually tend to be liars to begin with0 -
Just stop. You are contributing nothing to the conversation.0
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i disagree, whats wrong with calling into question what people allege to be a sensitivity to gluten when its nothing more than a fad for many many people while others who truly are celiacs are lumped in with the rest of these peopleJust stop. You are contributing nothing to the conversation.
you may not like what i have to say and thats fine i'm not here to make friends, convince others or to make believers out of people who disagree with me
it seems that you take issue with me calling into question these alleged gluten sensitivities people believe they might have
i'll admit some people will be sensitive to some foods like chilis, acidic foods etc etc
but to go out and claim i must be chili/pepper free, citrus free or self diagnose some other false medical condition is ridiculous and i see nothing wrong in calling it out
you may not like it but thats how communication works and clearly i am contributing to the conservation otherwise people wouldn't respond to what i have to say
i'm sure i'm the only one who feels this way but i view this almost as trying to debate climate change, science says one thing, people say quite the opposite using only anecdotes which may or may not be true
until someone can diagnose a gluten sensitivity as a real and genuine condition that can be treatable or manage it i guess calling it into question is something someone has to do
and as i recall nobody here is a medical doctor or a scientist to begin with so whats your problem?0 -
thats the thing i don't have to explain anythign to them, thats what the servers are there for, i just feel really bad for them because they have to deal with these people, i've seen plenty of them brought to tears by how unbearable these people can be, for me i feel fine, its the servers who i tend to have a lot of sympathy for, as for dealing with children, i'll take that as a vacation sometimes as i have done that before, while it is tough its nothing compared to working the line especially during summer, i've seen construction workers wuss out after a few weeks on the line during summer so there you have it
If your servers are being brought to tears on any kind of a regular basis, it might be time to work on stress management rather than blame the customers. I believe in taking work seriously, but if people are crying over PITA customers and it's not just when they are new or super stressed out, it's time for a new line of work. (I worked for years in fast food and restaurants. It's not easy like some think it is. I guess that's where the whole, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen stuff came from. Customers at restaurants are rude for all kinds of reasons. I knew it was time to move on when I could no longer smile at the rude ones and found myself holding back from running my mouth.)0 -
Yes, and Doctors used to tell woman that cramps and other symptoms of periods, were in the ladies head. Something does not have to be scientifically PROVEN to be a real problem.
BTW I do not have gluten sensitivity. I just have common sense.
Asthma was also considered a psychological disorder until a few years ago when the inflammatory component was proven. Some doctors still take that approach when treating asthma though. Doctors are human; they do make mistakes. I have allergies (many, many, many), asthma, arthritis, lactose intolerance, Raynaud's, and according to one specialist IBS. I argued that I do not have IBS, that the symptoms were related to certain foods of which he said that those foods could trigger IBS. At any rate, I avoid those foods problem solved so I still think those foods are the problem and not IBS. I also don't have a diagnosed gluten sensitivity but see no reason why anything that is ingested including gluten couldn't cause a sensitivity or allergy.
ed. to include Raynaud's
I was diagnosed with asthma years ago and I never remember anyone telling me it was all in my head or a "psychological disorder." There are psychological factors in triggering it and its intensity, however, and I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2869336/0 -
thats the thing i don't have to explain anythign to them, thats what the servers are there for, i just feel really bad for them because they have to deal with these people, i've seen plenty of them brought to tears by how unbearable these people can be, for me i feel fine, its the servers who i tend to have a lot of sympathy for, as for dealing with children, i'll take that as a vacation sometimes as i have done that before, while it is tough its nothing compared to working the line especially during summer, i've seen construction workers wuss out after a few weeks on the line during summer so there you have it
If your servers are being brought to tears on any kind of a regular basis, it might be time to work on stress management rather than blame the customers. I believe in taking work seriously, but if people are crying over PITA customers and it's not just when they are new or super stressed out, it's time for a new line of work. (I worked for years in fast food and restaurants. It's not easy like some think it is. I guess that's where the whole, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen stuff came from. Customers at restaurants are rude for all kinds of reasons. I knew it was time to move on when I could no longer smile at the rude ones and found myself holding back from running my mouth.)
ok you still don't get it so i'll break it down barney style
the worst customers to deal with are those that allege to have a gluten sensitivity
science says otherwise
the rudest and worst customers tend to be vegans, vegetarians and those who allege to be gluten free (celiacs not included)
being gluten free by and large makes them feel special and use that as a reason to be *kitten* to people
this isn't about customers in general its about a very select group of people who make celiacs look bad
i really do'nt know how much simpler i can make this0 -
ok you still don't get it so i'll break it down barney style
the worst customers to deal with are those that allege to have a gluten sensitivity
science says otherwise
the rudest and worst customers tend to be vegans, vegetarians and those who allege to be gluten free (celiacs not included)
being gluten free by and large makes them feel special and use that as a reason to be *kitten* to people
this isn't about customers in general its about a very select group of people who make celiacs look bad
i really do'nt know how much simpler i can make this
No worries, you are simple enough.
Nothing you wrote changes the truth of what I said.
Why cry over an *kitten*, gluten free, vegan, or otherwise?0 -
ok you still don't get it so i'll break it down barney style
the worst customers to deal with are those that allege to have a gluten sensitivity
science says otherwise
the rudest and worst customers tend to be vegans, vegetarians and those who allege to be gluten free (celiacs not included)
being gluten free by and large makes them feel special and use that as a reason to be *kitten* to people
this isn't about customers in general its about a very select group of people who make celiacs look bad
i really do'nt know how much simpler i can make this
No worries, you are simple enough.
Nothing you wrote changes the truth of what I said.
Why cry over an *kitten*, gluten free, vegan, or otherwise?
i personally do'nt cry, its the servers i feel bad for, this fake fad diet is making mindless sheep out of people who think they have something when they really don't, creating an industry that has grossed 13 billion in sales and will go up to 16 billion by 2015
i really wouldn't have a problem with this fake ailment if these people weren't so unbearable but since they are usually *kitten* and feel special over something that isn't real
and if people were just a little bit informed about what they decide to put into their bodies this thread may not even exist, just watch the jimmy kimmel skit about these alleged gluten free people and just how generally misinformed they are, its these same people who tend to be the biggest *kitten* to deal with
i'll say it again this isn't that different from debating climate change or evolution, there are facts on one side, opinions, anecdotes and gut feelings on the other i do'nt need to tell you who's right and who's wrong in this argument0 -
i'll say it again this isn't that different from debating climate change or evolution, there are facts on one side, opinions, anecdotes and gut feelings on the other i do'nt need to tell you who's right and who's wrong in this argument
Don't dismiss your own anecdotes, opinions, and feelings so easily. Stand up for yourself a bit.0 -
The most interesting part of this study to me is that it was done by a researcher who originally found NCGS was a "thing" but decided to go back and see if he could make a better study. He definitely controlled for more things than a lot of nutrition studies seem to control for and while the small sample size is a legitimate critique, I think that a lot of people are missing the point in that now, hopefully, this will spur more studies into NCGS with similar levels of control and more people. Who knows? Maybe they'll find in larger studies that NCGS is actually a thing, and maybe they won't. I think it's good to keep the conversation going.
For me, even the small study confirmed what I had long suspected about many people and their gluten sensitivities. The attitudes concerning gluten coming from the Celiacs I know and the elective gluten-avoiders is pretty pronounced; the Celiacs often wish they could be eating Dunkin Donuts and and elective gluten-avoiders label it "toxic" and "poison," and I find this distinction rather interesting.
I can only speak for myself, but I don't call it anything but gluten. I would never label peanuts, strawberries, tomatoes or any of the other foods people are allergic to/or their systems are sensitive to, poison
I don't miss white bread or a doughnut nearly as much as I used to, but last night at dinner that ciabatta bread almost got to me :laugh:
Cheers! :drinker:
I think it's hard for a lot of people, myself included, to get wrapped in the mindset that everyone is insane with some of their [maybe or maybe not] elective food choices when they're surrounded by people who are telling you that gluten will kill you day in, day out. It's always a nice reminder that not everyone is crazy (not implying you are... but you know.
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Well I am kind of crazy, and also a lot of fun. I promise spend the day with me and you will never know anything about my health issues!
I am not one of the people who tell YOU not to eat gluten, and earlier in this thread I even said I told people NOT to go gluten free but to speak with their doctors.
It matters not to me what label is put on what makes me fell like shiz, so let's just say I LOVE salad, chicken, fruits and other veggies and call it a day!
Ha. There's crazy and then there's crazy. In any case, I think if more people were like you, less people would deem it necessary to hate on every food fad that came down the line, especially one that legitimately helps some people, like going gluten free!
Because, let's face it, most people in this debate (not just on MFP, but life in general) need to care less about what other people are eating.0 -
i'll say it again this isn't that different from debating climate change or evolution, there are facts on one side, opinions, anecdotes and gut feelings on the other i do'nt need to tell you who's right and who's wrong in this argument
Don't dismiss your own anecdotes, opinions, and feelings so easily. Stand up for yourself a bit.
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i'll say it again this isn't that different from debating climate change or evolution, there are facts on one side, opinions, anecdotes and gut feelings on the other i do'nt need to tell you who's right and who's wrong in this argument
Don't dismiss your own anecdotes, opinions, and feelings so easily. Stand up for yourself a bit.
:laugh:
:drinker: :flowerforyou:0 -
i'll say it again this isn't that different from debating climate change or evolution, there are facts on one side, opinions, anecdotes and gut feelings on the other i do'nt need to tell you who's right and who's wrong in this argument
Don't dismiss your own anecdotes, opinions, and feelings so easily. Stand up for yourself a bit.
well played, doesn't change the fact science supports my argument more than it does yours0 -
The most interesting part of this study to me is that it was done by a researcher who originally found NCGS was a "thing" but decided to go back and see if he could make a better study. He definitely controlled for more things than a lot of nutrition studies seem to control for and while the small sample size is a legitimate critique, I think that a lot of people are missing the point in that now, hopefully, this will spur more studies into NCGS with similar levels of control and more people. Who knows? Maybe they'll find in larger studies that NCGS is actually a thing, and maybe they won't. I think it's good to keep the conversation going.
For me, even the small study confirmed what I had long suspected about many people and their gluten sensitivities. The attitudes concerning gluten coming from the Celiacs I know and the elective gluten-avoiders is pretty pronounced; the Celiacs often wish they could be eating Dunkin Donuts and and elective gluten-avoiders label it "toxic" and "poison," and I find this distinction rather interesting.
I can only speak for myself, but I don't call it anything but gluten. I would never label peanuts, strawberries, tomatoes or any of the other foods people are allergic to/or their systems are sensitive to, poison
I don't miss white bread or a doughnut nearly as much as I used to, but last night at dinner that ciabatta bread almost got to me :laugh:
Cheers! :drinker:
I think it's hard for a lot of people, myself included, to get wrapped in the mindset that everyone is insane with some of their [maybe or maybe not] elective food choices when they're surrounded by people who are telling you that gluten will kill you day in, day out. It's always a nice reminder that not everyone is crazy (not implying you are... but you know.)
Well I am kind of crazy, and also a lot of fun. I promise spend the day with me and you will never know anything about my health issues!
I am not one of the people who tell YOU not to eat gluten, and earlier in this thread I even said I told people NOT to go gluten free but to speak with their doctors.
It matters not to me what label is put on what makes me fell like shiz, so let's just say I LOVE salad, chicken, fruits and other veggies and call it a day!
Ha. There's crazy and then there's crazy. In any case, I think if more people were like you, less people would deem it necessary to hate on every food fad that came down the line, especially one that legitimately helps some people, like going gluten free!
Because, let's face it, most people in this debate (not just on MFP, but life in general) need to care less about what other people are eating.
I do agree that everyone needs to care less about what others are eating! :laugh: Imagine my in box right now :glasses: "Is GF how you lost your weight?" "NO
I ate fewer calories and exercised more! Oh and logged my food" Others still telling me I can eat all the glutens because it is all in my head. (insert smiley doing the crazy finger swirl)
I really don't care WHAT the reason is I feel better, just that I do! :flowerforyou:0 -
Yes, and Doctors used to tell woman that cramps and other symptoms of periods, were in the ladies head. Something does not have to be scientifically PROVEN to be a real problem.
BTW I do not have gluten sensitivity. I just have common sense.
Asthma was also considered a psychological disorder until a few years ago when the inflammatory component was proven. Some doctors still take that approach when treating asthma though. Doctors are human; they do make mistakes. I have allergies (many, many, many), asthma, arthritis, lactose intolerance, Raynaud's, and according to one specialist IBS. I argued that I do not have IBS, that the symptoms were related to certain foods of which he said that those foods could trigger IBS. At any rate, I avoid those foods problem solved so I still think those foods are the problem and not IBS. I also don't have a diagnosed gluten sensitivity but see no reason why anything that is ingested including gluten couldn't cause a sensitivity or allergy.
ed. to include Raynaud's
I was diagnosed with asthma years ago and I never remember anyone telling me it was all in my head or a "psychological disorder." There are psychological factors in triggering it and its intensity, however, and I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2869336/
Do a bit of reading on the history of treating asthma. It was definitely treated as a psychological disorder and in fact some doctors are still hesitant to diagnose the problem as asthma due to the negative connotations. IIRC, asthma is listed in the DSM-III [http://www.dhs.state.or.us/spd/tools/cm/capstools/dsm_icd9_alpha05.pdf] and those suffering from asthma were long thought to be weak. I did a lot of reading and researching on asthma when first diagnosed. There definitely was a stigma attached to asthma although in recent years that has changed.0
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