Calories in vs. calories out?

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  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
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    There is a couple great books on it but they will never be best sellers because people just cant let themselves believe it so simple.

    http://evidencemag.com/flexible-dieting-book/

    Or maybe they desparately want to believe that it doesn't have to be that hard.
  • Yagisama
    Yagisama Posts: 595 Member
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    People also want to believe that they have access to knowledge that others don't, whether that is "one weird trick that will help with weight loss" or the power of lemons.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    Are we just beating a dead horse now?

    Now?!?

    MFP has been beating dead horses for years...

    ...but given the number of new members every day, while it's a dead horse to many, it's not a dead horse to all...

    ...and so the cycle continues.

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    Wait.

    :huh:

    That isn't right. Here, try this instead:

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  • fitnessbugg
    fitnessbugg Posts: 141 Member
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    Love reading people's knowledge on this stuff.
  • MireyGal76
    MireyGal76 Posts: 7,334 Member
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    There is a couple great books on it but they will never be best sellers because people just cant let themselves believe it so simple.

    http://evidencemag.com/flexible-dieting-book/

    Or maybe they desparately want to believe that it doesn't have to be that hard.


    SIMPLE =/= EASY

    a concept may be simple, but it doesn't mean it isn't hard as hell to achieve.
  • jmangini
    jmangini Posts: 166 Member
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    There is a couple great books on it but they will never be best sellers because people just cant let themselves believe it so simple.

    http://evidencemag.com/flexible-dieting-book/

    Or maybe they desparately want to believe that it doesn't have to be that hard.


    SIMPLE =/= EASY

    a concept may be simple, but it doesn't mean it isn't hard as hell to achieve.
    [/quoteyou should check out my post on my workout for today. I'd love your feedback
  • mustgetmuscles1
    mustgetmuscles1 Posts: 3,346 Member
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    There is a couple great books on it but they will never be best sellers because people just cant let themselves believe it so simple.

    http://evidencemag.com/flexible-dieting-book/

    Or maybe they desparately want to believe that it doesn't have to be that hard.


    SIMPLE =/= EASY

    a concept may be simple, but it doesn't mean it isn't hard as hell to achieve.

    So true. So glad there are people on here that were willing to educate me when I was making things way more difficult than they needed to be.
  • jmangini
    jmangini Posts: 166 Member
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    There is a couple great books on it but they will never be best sellers because people just cant let themselves believe it so simple.

    http://evidencemag.com/flexible-dieting-book/

    Or maybe they desparately want to believe that it doesn't have to be that hard.

    you should check out my post on my workout for today. I'd love your feedback


    SIMPLE =/= EASY

    a concept may be simple, but it doesn't mean it isn't hard as hell to achieve.

    So true. So glad there are people on here that were willing to educate me when I was making things was more difficult than they needed to be.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    I'm busy having the same argument in another thread, but I just gotta repeat what I see as the main issue here.

    This is a calorie counting website. That's it's purpose. Don't believe in CICO? Cool. Plenty of people don't. But you shouldn't be here. If you are here and start a thread saying it's not about calories, stop being so shocked when people disagree with you.

    Log on to some website about chess. Say you don't like chess and think it's dumb. What kind of responses do you expect to get?

    Basically stop coming into a community, ****ting on what they believe in, and calling them rude for not agreeing with you.



    (You and I may have had some disagreements in the forums before, but it certainly isn't re this post.) 1000000xthis^
  • TheIrish1981
    TheIrish1981 Posts: 35 Member
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    I have been seeing a nutritionist and I asked her a very similar question in aspect of what do eat.

    She told me it is all a matter of getting the most bang for my calorie buck. For instance, I could have 1 Big Mac or I could have a Grilled Chicken Breast, Broccoli, 5 oz scoop of mashed potatoes, and a yogurt. Which one will be more satisfying in the long run?

    I am a firm believer that it is all about calories in/calories out because I personally know someone who lost 37 pounds eating garbage but limiting their caloric intake. It blew my mind away. This is the person who actually motivated me to lose weight, but I have chosen a slightly healthier approach than Big Macs and Large Fries =)
  • jmangini
    jmangini Posts: 166 Member
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    There is a couple great books on it but they will never be best sellers because people just cant let themselves believe it so simple.

    http://evidencemag.com/flexible-dieting-book/

    Or maybe they desparately want to believe that it doesn't have to be that hard.



    SIMPLE =/= EASY

    a concept may be simple, but it doesn't mean it isn't hard as hell to achieve.

    So true. So glad there are people on here that were willing to educate me when I was making things was more difficult than they needed to be.
    you should check out my post on my workout for today. I'd love your feedback
  • mustgetmuscles1
    mustgetmuscles1 Posts: 3,346 Member
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    you should check out my post on my workout for today. I'd love your feedback

    You look like you are doing just fine on that program. Not sure I can give you any feedback that would be helpful. I have seen people make great gains on old school high volume splits and I have seen them make great gains on minimalist strength building programs.

    One might be more optimal than the other but eventually we all get to the long slow grind so its probably just better to do the program that you enjoy and keep trying to make progress at it.
  • bjkidfun
    bjkidfun Posts: 377 Member
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    Bumping to read later, good read
  • ashley11scott
    ashley11scott Posts: 63 Member
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    You cant eat junk instead of healhy b/c macros matter, probably be sick mroe offten cutting into workouts, skinny is one thing but skinny and tonned is another.

    How often you eat is prefernece i think normaly women like 6 meals and men like 3 larger ones. You dont just eat one large meal before bed bc you need that engery for the food during the day not to sleep.

    hit ur calories, hit ur burn, hit ur macos, workout cardio and lift heavy = success

    MFP and calorie burn trackers are great tools to take the gusse work out of it.
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    *twitch*
  • Wandering_1
    Wandering_1 Posts: 95 Member
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    I just want to look & feel healthy. My weight is coming off eating healthy just like those who eat a Big Mac but for me eating a Big Mac doesn't make me feel better it just makes me feel full.
  • geebusuk
    geebusuk Posts: 3,348 Member
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    You cant eat junk instead of healhy b/c macros matter, probably be sick mroe offten cutting into workouts, skinny is one thing but skinny and tonned is another.
    So it's not 'junk' if you make the macros fit?
    The McDonalds Burger and ice cream I had the other night wasn't 'Junk' because it fitted my macros, yes?
  • SnuggleSmacks
    SnuggleSmacks Posts: 3,731 Member
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    So, I haven't read through the whole thread, but has the twinkie diet been mentioned already?

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
    For 10 weeks, Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too.
    His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.
    The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
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    Derpy OP is derpy.
  • amwbox
    amwbox Posts: 576 Member
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    The reason people cut with low carb is for keto. Not overall weight loss. It allows for max protein and targeted fat burn.

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