Apple Cider Vinegar anyone?
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BMC Gastroenterol. 2007 Dec 20;7:46.
Effect of apple cider vinegar on delayed gastric emptying in patients with type 1 diabetes mellitus: a pilot study.
Hlebowicz J1, Darwiche G, Björgell O, Almér LO.
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Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Previous studies on healthy people show that vinegar delays gastric emptying and lowers postprandial blood glucose and insulin levels. The aim of this study was to investigate the effect of apple cider vinegar on delayed gastric emptying rate on diabetes mellitus patients.
METHODS:
Ten patients with type 1 diabetes and diabetic gastroparesis, including one patient who had undergone vagotomy, were included and completed the investigator blinded crossover trial. The gastric emptying rate (GER) was measured using standardized real-time ultrasonography. The GER was calculated as the percentage change in the antral cross-sectional area 15 and 90 minutes after ingestion of 300 g rice pudding and 200 ml water (GER1), or 300 g rice pudding and 200 ml water with 30 ml apple cider vinegar (GER2). The subjects drank 200 ml water daily before breakfast one week before the measurement of GER1. The same subjects drank 200 ml water with 30 ml vinegar daily before breakfast for two weeks before the measurement of GER2.
RESULTS:
The median values of GER1 and GER2 were 27% and 17%, respectively. The effect of vinegar on the rate of gastric emptying was statistically significant (p < 0.05).
CONCLUSION:
This study shows that vinegar affects insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus patients with diabetic gastroparesis by reducing the gastric emptying rate even further, and this might be a disadvantage regarding to their glycaemic control.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18093343“Regular ingestion of cider vinegar is becoming an increasingly popular habit in Austria and Germany. Cider vinegar is described as a prophylaxis and cure for almost any disease or complaint. Doses from one teaspoon to six soupspoons per day have been recommended. A local bookshop offered nine different specialist books on the benefits of cider vinegar. Here we describe the case of a woman, in whom chronic ingestion of excessive amounts of cider vinegar caused serious health problems.” What kind of health problems? Well, the article is entitled ‘Hypokalemia, Hyperreninemia and Osteoporosis in a Patient Ingesting Large Amounts of Cider Vinegar’. Authors: Karl Lhotta, Günther Höfle, Rudolf Gasser, Gerd Finkenstedt. Ref: Nephron 1998;80:242-243 (DOI: 10.1159/000045180).Apple cider vinegar products are advertised in the popular press and over the Internet for treatment of a variety of conditions. After an adverse event was reported to the authors, eight apple cider vinegar tablet products were tested for pH, component acid content, and microbial growth. Considerable variability was found between the brands in tablet size, pH, component acid content, and label claims. Doubt remains as to whether apple cider vinegar was in fact an ingredient in the evaluated products. The inconsistency and inaccuracy in labelling, recommended dosages, and unsubstantiated health claims make it easy to question the quality of the products.
Esophageal injury by apple cider vinegar tablets and subsequent evaluation of products.
J Am Diet Assoc. 2005 Jul;105(7):1141-4.
PMID: 15983536 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]Vinegar lacks antiglycemic action on enteral carbohydrate absorption in human subjects.
Salbe AD1, Johnston CS, Buyukbese MA, Tsitouras PD, Harman SM.
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The antiglycemic effects of vinegar have been known for more than a century and have been demonstrated in animal as well as human studies. Although the exact mechanism of vinegar action is not known, several possibilities have been proposed including suppression of disaccharidase activity, delayed gastric emptying, enhanced glucose uptake in the periphery and conversion to glycogen, and increased satiety. We hypothesized that by suppressing endogenous insulin secretion, we could estimate the glucose absorption rate from an oral carbohydrate load and determine the effects of vinegar ingestion on this rate. To do so, 5 subjects had 4 studies at 1-week intervals, randomly receiving placebo twice (60 mL water) and vinegar twice (20 mL apple cider vinegar, 40 mL water), followed 2 minutes later by a meal of mashed potatoes (0.75 g carbohydrate per kilogram body weight) that was consumed over 20 minutes. At the beginning of the meal, an oral octreotide/insulin suppression test (25-microg bolus octreotide; 180 minute infusion 5 mU/m(2) body surface area per minute regular human insulin, and 0.5 microg/min octreotide) was begun. Blood samples for insulin and glucose were drawn at 20-minute intervals. The oral octreotide/insulin suppression test suppressed endogenous insulin secretion for the first 100 minutes of the study. During this time, the rate of rise of glucose was modestly but significantly (P = .01) greater after vinegar ingestion compared to placebo, suggesting that vinegar does not act to decrease glycemia by interference with enteral carbohydrate absorption.
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I drink a shot glass full when I'm having gallbladder pains. I just drink it straight without letting it touch my teeth and then chase it with a LOT of water. I can't stand dragging the process out since it tastes absolutely ghastly, though I know someone who drinks it every morning mixed in with a glass of water. She is WAY more hardcore than I will ever be.0
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Call me a smartass, call me unhelpful, call me whatever you want. All I am saying is don't just believe something you hear because someone else told you even if you trust that person. Look at the data, look for the evidence. I'm not telling you to believe me I am telling you to look at the studies, not the blog articles about the studies not whatever person or article or story you can find that agrees with your current viewpoint.If I don't know something I will straight up admit it. I did not know that acid reflux is caused by low stomach acid. As I stated I will have to look into that later.
There are things I know and things I don't know.
Which is why you quickly became one of my favorite people. You think critically and try to protect people from bad science/lack of critical thinking. They might get mad, but don't see that you're keeping them from wasting money, failing to solve their initial problem, and possibly doing actual harm to their body.
I'm sure if we looked hard enough we could find someone promoting Kangaroo Piss as a weight loss drug.0 -
I love it on salad, on hard boiled eggs, um, that's it I guess. I like vineager.0
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I do not, but could you put it in a cup of hot herbal tea? I don't know anything about ingesting it, but it works wonders on acne and can help treat sunburn
it helps acne? do you put in on the skin? Seriuos question. let me know0 -
what if you used that shot of that to down an easter egg coloring tablet? wonder if you'd find easter eggs in the toilet later?0
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I've heard that vinegar is good for reflux and heartburn because vinegar is an alkaline and balances out the excess of stomach acid calling the reflux. I don't think there's anything special about apple cider vinegar except it tastes a bit better.
I know pickle juice is good for my hangover, but I think that's just a personal weird hangover thing
Vinegar is the opposite of alkaline, vinegar is acidic. It is diluted acetic acid.
Acetic acid in turn is what bacteria piss out when you feed them alcohol.
sorry, I thought it might be funny!0 -
what if you used that shot of that to down an easter egg coloring tablet? wonder if you'd find easter eggs in the toilet later?
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Now I know why some people hate posting on these forums...
Yean I know. I was kind of a douc*e on this girls post earlier. I feel bad about it.
But, I like vinegar. Always have. Use to put it on my boiled plaitains with fried onions. Mmmmm, onions!0 -
I like putting a tablespoon or two in a big glass of ice water.
The bottle of Braggs ACV claims to give a boost of energy. I don't know about that, but I like drinking it sometimes in the morning. It helps clear the mucous out of my throat (gross, I know, but sometimes I wake up congested and allergy-ish). It also helps when I have heartburn.
Oh, and if you have trouble getting past the taste with water and ACV alone, try adding juice from a lemon wedge. It tastes like a very sour lemonade. I love it.0 -
Apple cider vinegar is highly acidic. The main ingredient of apple cider vinegar is acetic acid. As the name suggests, it's quite harsh. Apple cider vinegar should always be diluted with water or juice before swallowed. Pure apple cider vinegar could damage the tooth enamel and the tissues in your throat and mouth. One study found a woman who got an apple cider vinegar supplement stuck in her throat suffered lasting damage to her esophagus. In addition, vinegar has been known to cause contact burns to the skin.0
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....a splash of white vinegar in the Cuban style black bean soup.......0
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Apple cider vinegar is highly acidic. The main ingredient of apple cider vinegar is acetic acid. As the name suggests, it's quite harsh. Apple cider vinegar should always be diluted with water or juice before swallowed. Pure apple cider vinegar could damage the tooth enamel and the tissues in your throat and mouth. One study found a woman who got an apple cider vinegar supplement stuck in her throat suffered lasting damage to her esophagus. In addition, vinegar has been known to cause contact burns to the skin.
It's 5% acetic acid....
And I don't take it straight.0 -
....a little bit 'o vinegar on french fries......0
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Kin hell this site gets weirder by the day.... Some one 'suggest' a strange diet tactic and Aaron POLITELY asks for some logic around this strategy and get jumped on by a bunch of "Don't confuse me with the facts" zealots... It's like a religion to some people.... "You don't need facts - have faith"
Aaron - Well done and keep asking questions.0 -
Kin hell this site gets weirder by the day.... Some one 'suggest' a strange diet tactic and Aaron POLITELY asks for some logic around this strategy and get jumped on by a bunch of "Don't confuse me with the facts" zealots... It's like a religion to some people.... "You don't need facts - have faith"
Aaron - Well done and keep asking questions.
lol...I don't mean to be rude, but do you two have a bromance going on?
ACV is not some strange new weight loss tactic.
It has been around for many years and has benefited many people.
As I stated in a previous post, I am not even using it for weight loss.0 -
I like to drink pure vinegar (actually mostly white, not super big on apple cider) but I don't think it helps with weight. I just think it tastes good. Better than any fatty dressings.0
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As to previous conversation I couldn't find anything to support the idea that acid reflux was caused by low stomach acid. There were some online blogs that suggest that but none of them link to an actual study.
For that reason I remain skeptical that it is a good idea to treat a condition caused by reflux of acid into your esophagus by pouring acid on it instead of taking a proton pump inhibitor like omeprazole.0 -
Kin hell this site gets weirder by the day.... Some one 'suggest' a strange diet tactic and Aaron POLITELY asks for some logic around this strategy and get jumped on by a bunch of "Don't confuse me with the facts" zealots... It's like a religion to some people.... "You don't need facts - have faith"
Aaron - Well done and keep asking questions.
You reminded me of my favorite quote:
"To hell with argument, I have faith."
Unfortunately, it applies to a lot of threads on this site.0 -
My mother tried the apple cider thing. I guess she took a shot of it every day. She ended in the hospital for some type of bad stomach problem. She said she will never drink the stuff again.0
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I got rid of a nasty wart on my foot that haunted me for 5 years with apple cider vinegar. I'm not about to start drinking it LOL0
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I don't "take it" per se. I include it with any meat I cook. I marinate every peice of meat in it for a couple hours. I put it in my crock pot with my pot roast. I love the stuff when it's flavoring anything else, not straight.0
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That is probably a rare/unique thing. I have been drinking straight vinegar at least a couple times a week just because I like it since I was a kid. I don't know why anyone would drink it besides for pleasure, but it normally will not hurt your stomach. If it did, I would be dead.0
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Kin hell this site gets weirder by the day.... Some one 'suggest' a strange diet tactic and Aaron POLITELY asks for some logic around this strategy and get jumped on by a bunch of "Don't confuse me with the facts" zealots... It's like a religion to some people.... "You don't need facts - have faith"
Aaron - Well done and keep asking questions.
lol...I don't mean to be rude, but do you two have a bromance going on?
ACV is not some strange new weight loss tactic.
It has been around for many years and has benefited many people.
As I stated in a previous post, I am not even using it for weight loss.
Bwhaaaaaaaa.. nice one .. but no, just on the same wave length on this subject, I guess .. Personally I need more science than hear say...
One could of course ask the same question of all of 'you' faithers :-)0 -
Kin hell this site gets weirder by the day.... Some one 'suggest' a strange diet tactic and Aaron POLITELY asks for some logic around this strategy and get jumped on by a bunch of "Don't confuse me with the facts" zealots... It's like a religion to some people.... "You don't need facts - have faith"
Aaron - Well done and keep asking questions.
You reminded me of my favorite quote:
"To hell with argument, I have faith."
Unfortunately, it applies to a lot of threads on this site.
Just so :-)0 -
Kin hell this site gets weirder by the day.... Some one 'suggest' a strange diet tactic and Aaron POLITELY asks for some logic around this strategy and get jumped on by a bunch of "Don't confuse me with the facts" zealots... It's like a religion to some people.... "You don't need facts - have faith"
Aaron - Well done and keep asking questions.
SMH. Old wives cures win out again over science on MFP. You're right, it really is a religion to some people. Why is Aaron the only one in the thread debating this who seems to be able to recognize and admit he may be wrong (e.g. on GERD, initially)? All I hear is other people doubling down on their beliefs when confronted with evidence contrary to what they want to believe.0 -
I don't know anything about ingesting it, but it works wonders on acne and can help treat sunburn
I hear tell that a nice mix of pure lemon juice and salt is excellent for sunburns. Just make sure to rub it in really well. The pain means its working.0 -
I take about a tablespoon once in a while mixed into my water-bottle with a squirt of MISO water flavoring. I know a lot of people add honey and my coworker swears it is what helped her drop 50 lbs (over a long period). Usually I take it because it helps calm stomach acid issues rather than for weight loss. I really don't think it has a significant effect aside from that of the placebo in helping weight loss. It does have other more medicinal system balancing purpose, though!
That is why it was recommended for me. For acid reflux issues and it can also be helpful if you have high blood pressure. Some people believe in it and some don't so I want to give it a try to form my own opinion and see if it helps me. I'm not really doing it for weight loss although some people swear it helps with that too...
If you have acid reflux I would not recommend treating it by drinking acid.
We should be friends because I wholeheartedly agree with everything you are saying and am cracking up over here at your responses. Cheers!
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Kin hell this site gets weirder by the day.... Some one 'suggest' a strange diet tactic and Aaron POLITELY asks for some logic around this strategy and get jumped on by a bunch of "Don't confuse me with the facts" zealots... It's like a religion to some people.... "You don't need facts - have faith"
Aaron - Well done and keep asking questions.
SMH. Old wives cures win out again over science on MFP. You're right, it really is a religion to some people. Why is Aaron the only one in the thread debating this who seems to be able to recognize and admit he may be wrong (e.g. on GERD, initially)? All I hear is other people doubling down on their beliefs when confronted with evidence contrary to what they want to believe.
If it works, then why shouldn't it win over science.
Maybe in 2 weeks, science will say that it does work...who knows?
If it doesn't work then I will stop taking it.
It doesn't hurt to try....0 -
Many "old timers" believe in the properties of ACV with the "mother" in it. That snotty looking thing floating around in it. I lived for 17 years next to a woman who lived to be 104 and she said her secret to living to be so old was ACV - a shot every night before bedtime. My best friends grandmother in law lived to be 99 and she swore by a shot of ACV every morning.
Personally I don't know if I could stomach it.0
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