Apple Cider Vinegar anyone?

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  • AmykinsCatfood
    AmykinsCatfood Posts: 599 Member
    Put it on asparagus. Gets it in my mouth every time.
  • Aaron_K123
    Aaron_K123 Posts: 7,122 Member
    Hi, not endorsing any remedies or taking any side in this at all, but I have heard of this. Someone asked a few pages back why APPLE CIDER VINEGAR vs other vinegars and why acetic acid would have health benefits. The idea behind this belief is that you would use only fermented undistilled vinegar (such as Bragg's) that still has the living "mother" in it. The enzymes/bacteria that are in the mother are what supposedly bring the health benefits. So ingesting the mother is really the goal, the ACV is the delivery/medium for consumption.

    Again, not speaking Pro/Con but throwing that out for discussion and food for thought/debate.

    If true and the point is to seed your gut with a probiotic then yes for taste purposes you may as well neutralize the acetic acid with a weak base like baking soda which will react with acid to form water and gas which will be expelled. This will cut the harsh taste and render it juice basically with no effect on the oyher ingredients.

    Important note. If you do this do it in an open vessel preferably under a fume hood. You can do it in a closed vessel if you enjoy explosions.
  • Aaron_K123
    Aaron_K123 Posts: 7,122 Member

    For me, I didn't know that it'd work on me, but I also didn't know Vicodin would work when I got my wisdom tooth pulled. A friend of mine said it worked for him and put it on me, it worked. My dentist (Okay, a lot more qualified than a friend, but whatever) told me Vicodin would work, and it did. There are a lot of side effects to Vicodin, yes, but you cannot discredit it's ability to take pain away. :P You'll never really know if anything is going to work until you try it. You can read 1,000 reviews on something, buy it, and it doesn't work. Likewise, you can read 5 reviews on something that say it sucks, buy it, and it's great! So, it's really just risk vs reward.

    Alright well let me use your analogy to illustrate my point. I assume when your dentist gave you vicodin through a pharmacist that they gave you a very specific dosage of a pure active ingredient for which we know the mechanism of action and the safety profile quite well (just because you personally do not know it does not mean it isn't known).

    To really make this analogy apt we are going to have to make some changes to make it a fair comparison.

    Lets say that instead of recieving a pill bottle with vicodin in specific milligram amounts I took your bottle and crushed up an unknown number of tablets and dissolved them in water. I then hand you this water and say "Hey, this will help you with your pain if you drink some of it"

    In that scenario would you drink it? If so how much of it? Would you want to ask me a question about it first? Say like "gee, how much of the active ingredient vicodin is actually in that water per ounce so that I might know the appropriate amount to take?"

    Keep in mind ingesting to much vicodin will kill you. Then on top of that just before you drink I tell you, actually I don't even know what the active ingredient in there is I just know if you drink some of it your pain will go away. Does that somehow make you feel safe now?

    My point is this. If there is something out there that truly has a biological effect on your body and it is a mixture of a bunch of stuff and you don't know what the active ingredient is and more to the point the manufacturer doesn't know what the active ingredient is...how do you determine the dosage? What is the assurance that the active ingredient is at the same concentration from bottle to bottle if it not only isn't regulated but its not even known. Keep in mind that anything that has a biological effect on your body at small milligram to microgram amounts is going to have an overdose state.
  • FunkyTobias
    FunkyTobias Posts: 1,776 Member
    It was suggested to me by my naturopath that the Apple Cider Vinegar should be mixed with warm water and chugged. Don't add any sweeteners.

    Perhaps you should stop taking advice from woo-merchants.
  • glasshalffull713
    glasshalffull713 Posts: 323 Member
    I like the idea of adding it to my smoothie! Gonna try it :)
  • glasshalffull713
    glasshalffull713 Posts: 323 Member
    Hi, not endorsing any remedies or taking any side in this at all, but I have heard of this. Someone asked a few pages back why APPLE CIDER VINEGAR vs other vinegars and why acetic acid would have health benefits. The idea behind this belief is that you would use only fermented undistilled vinegar (such as Bragg's) that still has the living "mother" in it. The enzymes/bacteria that are in the mother are what supposedly bring the health benefits. So ingesting the mother is really the goal, the ACV is the delivery/medium for consumption.

    Again, not speaking Pro/Con but throwing that out for discussion and food for thought/debate.

    ^^^this is exactly the case & the reason it has to be ACV is because the pectin and apple residue is what forms the mother in the first place.

    I am not claiming to be a scientist, however in a book I read written by an organic chemist, she explains that ACV may help (key word is help- not a magic bullet!) with weight loss because a) once metabolized it leaves an alkaline residue in the body, b) it is high in soluble fiber which can help with feeling more full, c) it has been shown to stabilize blood sugar which she says is a key to effective weight loss, and d) acids, such as acetic acid, increase iron absorption which in turn helps cells utilize oxygen better and that helps increase metabolism. She does specify that it should be RAW and normal vinegar has no effect.

    Just providing this info to try and answer some of the questions asked. Hopefully it helps a little, and I would love to hear from the scientists in this thread their analysis. Please don't attack me though!
  • sharyntg
    sharyntg Posts: 33
    It actually has many medicinal uses. Any time i get stomach gas for example, I drink a shot and it goes away. Same with pickle juice. Pickle juice is the new Gatorade. You can google it too.
  • beachgod
    beachgod Posts: 567 Member
    Like I said, ACV is good for wart removal and I am a first hand account. I also used ACV to get rid of toe nail fungus that was bad enough to warrant medical assistance!

    Apparently you can also get rid of skin tags and moles as well using ACV. ACV can also be used to assist with Athlete's foot and smelly feet in general.

    I don't personally have any desire to actually consume it though!

    Quoted for truth. I've nuked two warts and a mole with ACV. I also tried dirnking it. It was horrible so I'm only going to continue using it for removal of unwanted body parts.
  • FireOpalCO
    FireOpalCO Posts: 641 Member
    I am not claiming to be a scientist, however in a book I read written by an organic chemist, she explains that ACV may help (key word is help- not a magic bullet!) with weight loss because a) once metabolized it leaves an alkaline residue in the body, b) it is high in soluble fiber which can help with feeling more full, c) it has been shown to stabilize blood sugar which she says is a key to effective weight loss, and d) acids, such as acetic acid, increase iron absorption which in turn helps cells utilize oxygen better and that helps increase metabolism. She does specify that it should be RAW and normal vinegar has no effect.

    Just providing this info to try and answer some of the questions asked. Hopefully it helps a little, and I would love to hear from the scientists in this thread their analysis. Please don't attack me though!

    I had a very interesting conversation with one of our doctors here at work last week about the affect of garbling information. A doctor says to a technician "well we see this, which leads us to believe X may have taken place" and then the technician walks into the exam room and says "X took place" to the waiting client. An important chunk of information goes missing. The same thing happens with research. A researcher or even a well qualified science writer says "this MAY be happening" which is science speak for "further research is needed but its a valid route to investigate" bad science writers, "experts" with poor listening skills, and lay people hear "X causes Y, ALL THE TIME". "May" could be as simple as "we saw it once it an experiment but haven't gotten the funds or ruled out other causes yet to investigate that option further".

    In the example of apple cider vinegar, the organic unpasteurized gets dropped off when the information is repeated. The actual cause of possible effects haven't been researched all that well yet. For all we know a person could get the same affect with fresh unfiltered apple cider. Or from eating over-ripe apples. And again, is there a maximum dosage that could cause harm if ingested daily, or are there certain people who shouldn't take it. Could the magic ingredient be purified and given in pill form to get rid of harmful side effects that we don't see immediately and are instead cumulative.

    The thing I hate most about when people say "what harm could there be" and "why are you such a downer" is I remember quite a few instances of great harm being done. There have been drugs that made it through the FDA and they didn't catch all the side effects. The biggest population where this is possible is pregnant women, and we have had waves of birth defects from several drugs as a result. What if something like ACV was proven later to cause problems for unborn fetuses or nursing babies?

    If researchers started doing Kickstarter campaigns to fund more research, I'd probably kick in some cash towards the "unraveling ACV" research and get some clear answers and not anecdotal and "may" answers.
  • tiptoethruthetulips
    tiptoethruthetulips Posts: 3,371 Member
    Functional properties of vinegar:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1750-3841.12434/full
  • FunkyTobias
    FunkyTobias Posts: 1,776 Member

    The thing I hate most about when people say "what harm could there be" and "why are you such a downer" is I remember quite a few instances of great harm being done.

    Several of them documented here:

    http://whatstheharm.net/
  • Shropshire1959
    Shropshire1959 Posts: 982 Member
    [piss take mode=on] I hear heroin is good for weight loss too... never see a fat junkie[/piss take mode]
  • agrafina
    agrafina Posts: 128 Member
    [piss take mode=on] I hear heroin is good for weight loss too... never see a fat junkie[/piss take mode]

    Heroin is good but meth is better. Plus, meth mouth! Makes it harder to eat since your teeth are all rotted.
  • FunkyTobias
    FunkyTobias Posts: 1,776 Member
    [piss take mode=on] I hear heroin is good for weight loss too... never see a fat junkie[/piss take mode]

    Heroin is good but meth is better. Plus, meth mouth! Makes it harder to eat since your teeth are all rotted.


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  • Shropshire1959
    Shropshire1959 Posts: 982 Member
    [piss take mode=on] I hear heroin is good for weight loss too... never see a fat junkie[/piss take mode]

    Heroin is good but meth is better. Plus, meth mouth! Makes it harder to eat since your teeth are all rotted.

    Bwhaaaaaaaaaaa
  • nnix64
    nnix64 Posts: 21 Member
    Just saw another article on the benefits of apple cider vinegar. May have to give this a try, after all what can it hurt? I'm already trying Turmeric shots for inflammation

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