My Name is Kelcie and I'm a Sugar Addict

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  • ValGogo
    ValGogo Posts: 2,168 Member
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    So your "addiction" to sugar is primarily candy, cookies, cakes and the like, right? So if I put a big bowl of cantaloupe or pineapple in front of you, does that make you start getting fidgety and have to have it? How about Mango's will that also throw all of you "sugar addicts" into a fit of HAVE TO HAVE IT

    God, I thought I was all alone here. I hate that I started this crap. :sad:
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
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    I never ever thought I'd get "sober". Second, I realize due to my addictive personality that I really just cannot have sugar at all. I'm scared of it, to be totally honest. Finally, 14 pounds looks really good not being on me.

    Kelcie, this is nothing personal towards you, I'm just assuming you're being cute. But, PLEASE, don't use addiction lingo and words like "sober" to describe your choices of eating candy and sugary stuff. It actually annoys the rest of us, ie, ME, with actual addictions who do 12-step work to recover on a daily basis.

    When you have traded sexual favors for cupcakes and candy let me know. Otherwise, please stop.

    And I'm sorry if I offended you. That's also part of my recovery work.

    This makes no sense. Have you heard of Overeaters Anonymous? It's a 12-step program based on the AA steps, traditions, and tools that helps people recover from food addictions (sugar and white flour being the most common ones amongst members) and become sober from those addictions.

    Don't be rude.

    Oh so they abstain from all food? They abstain from sugar in all forms? Hardly evidence of "sugar addiction"
  • KarmaKills
    KarmaKills Posts: 99 Member
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    I never ever thought I'd get "sober". Second, I realize due to my addictive personality that I really just cannot have sugar at all. I'm scared of it, to be totally honest. Finally, 14 pounds looks really good not being on me.

    Kelcie, this is nothing personal towards you, I'm just assuming you're being cute. But, PLEASE, don't use addiction lingo and words like "sober" to describe your choices of eating candy and sugary stuff. It actually annoys the rest of us, ie, ME, with actual addictions who do 12-step work to recover on a daily basis.

    When you have traded sexual favors for cupcakes and candy let me know. Otherwise, please stop.

    And I'm sorry if I offended you. That's also part of my recovery work.


    Speak for yourself...didn't offend me in the least bit.
  • verptwerp
    verptwerp Posts: 3,659 Member
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    Good for you ...... congrats on the weight loss ...... and feeling better !

    Some of us can't have sugar, it's as simple as that ...... even a little bit triggers something awful .......

    Do what works for you :drinker:
  • BigT555
    BigT555 Posts: 2,068 Member
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    I never ever thought I'd get "sober". Second, I realize due to my addictive personality that I really just cannot have sugar at all. I'm scared of it, to be totally honest. Finally, 14 pounds looks really good not being on me.

    Kelcie, this is nothing personal towards you, I'm just assuming you're being cute. But, PLEASE, don't use addiction lingo and words like "sober" to describe your choices of eating candy and sugary stuff. It actually annoys the rest of us, ie, ME, with actual addictions who do 12-step work to recover on a daily basis.

    When you have traded sexual favors for cupcakes and candy let me know. Otherwise, please stop.

    And I'm sorry if I offended you. That's also part of my recovery work.

    THIS

    I am happy you are getting healthy, but sugar addiction is a mental/emotional thing and attatchment to food that is not the comparibly the same as a susbtance addiction.

    Yes u get headaches and feel cranky and "withdraw" but as the above poster mentioed sugar is not "addictive" enough to people to trade their health, safety, and risk their lives and the lives of their family over, which is what addicts to do to get their substance of choice.

    I have heard of people robbing stores for drug money, but not cupcake money, so please put into persepective what a "sugar addiction" is, it is more a lack of will power than a full on physical addiction.
    well thats just wrong. look at all the obese people who overeat sugary crap and end up dying because of their extremely poor health

    again with the extremes. i havent heard of anyone robbing stores for cig money either, yet nicotine is still regarded as one of the most addictive substances out there
  • determined_erin
    determined_erin Posts: 571 Member
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    I can tell you that a sugar addiction is a real thing. I've suffered with Binge Eating Disorder for most of my life. It is insane how similar my brain works to someone who is addicted to something like alcohol or drugs. It's not something you can just turn off or control easily. It's especially hard because people have to eat daily, so there are multiple times a day that we are forced to face the addiction (versus alcohol/drugs where these aren't essential as food is). I don't think people really understand it unless they also go through it.
  • nycoleyrides
    nycoleyrides Posts: 29 Member
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    I never ever thought I'd get "sober". Second, I realize due to my addictive personality that I really just cannot have sugar at all. I'm scared of it, to be totally honest. Finally, 14 pounds looks really good not being on me.

    Kelcie, this is nothing personal towards you, I'm just assuming you're being cute. But, PLEASE, don't use addiction lingo and words like "sober" to describe your choices of eating candy and sugary stuff. It actually annoys the rest of us, ie, ME, with actual addictions who do 12-step work to recover on a daily basis.

    When you have traded sexual favors for cupcakes and candy let me know. Otherwise, please stop.

    And I'm sorry if I offended you. That's also part of my recovery work.

    I'm offended you think Alcohol and classified "drugs" are the only things people can be addicted to. Maybe if there was a 12 step program available to those of us who have this "addiction" you would understand more. By definition sugar is addicting. This is a support post. I recommend you SUPPORT, in-spite of your personal opinions.

    It doesn't annoy me that your getting sober from the sugar. I wish I could!

    Good for you Kelcie for leaving the sugar behind you. I know your struggle. I got to sleep thinking about sugar and wake up thinking about sugar. I hope one day I can turn down a brownie - or sweet thing really.
  • sassyjae21
    sassyjae21 Posts: 1,217 Member
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    So your "addiction" to sugar is primarily candy, cookies, cakes and the like, right? So if I put a big bowl of cantaloupe or pineapple in front of you, does that make you start getting fidgety and have to have it? How about Mango's will that also throw all of you "sugar addicts" into a fit of HAVE TO HAVE IT

    God, I thought I was all alone here. I hate that I started this crap. :sad:

    Lol, but you said earlier, you KNEW what kind of responses you were going to invoke, yet you started anyway. Doesn't matter, had it not been you, it would have been someone else. These kinds of threads always blow up. Or wait, any kind of thread.

    I have no opinion.

    Great job, OP. I suggest that if possible, once you are more comfortable, you slowly introduce it back into your diet to learn control and moderation :flowerforyou:
  • ValGogo
    ValGogo Posts: 2,168 Member
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    You know what I love? The really "helpfull, supportive" people who are just running the word "sober" with the express intention to poke. See, that's sad. What I did was tell this misguided girl what she said doesn't apply, and I also admitted that she was probably being funny and tongue in cheek when she wrote it. I could see that.

    But the rest of you are just getting on the dogpile. I'm not looking for pats on the back. I'm just trying to teach.

    By the way, alcohol is a drug and I don't drink either. Just cuz I didn't abuse alcohol, doesn't mean I will drink it. I stay away from it all because that's my choice. And I quit smoking too. I'm not going to get into a peeing contest about what coffee and cigarettes because that's just pushing the envelope for the sake of pushing it. Like I'm doing now....ha!

    Some of you are just being cheese-heads. Is that name calling.....cheese-head? I think it's funny. :laugh:
    i agree that the use of the word sober is incorrect, someone getting over a nicotine addiction isnt getting sober either.
    i appreciate your efforts to try and teach, thats what i am trying to do too. unfortunately we are trying to teach 2 opposite standpoints on sugar addiciton.

    good for you for staying away from alcohol and cig's (and i truly mean that), it can be tough as hell, especially when trying to lose weight

    and i most certainly am not a cheese-head... i hate the packers

    Haha, good one. but yeah, good points. I forgot where I was when I replied to Kelcie.

    Lesson learned.
  • LifeItself
    LifeItself Posts: 44
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    I never ever thought I'd get "sober". Second, I realize due to my addictive personality that I really just cannot have sugar at all. I'm scared of it, to be totally honest. Finally, 14 pounds looks really good not being on me.

    Kelcie, this is nothing personal towards you, I'm just assuming you're being cute. But, PLEASE, don't use addiction lingo and words like "sober" to describe your choices of eating candy and sugary stuff. It actually annoys the rest of us, ie, ME, with actual addictions who do 12-step work to recover on a daily basis.

    When you have traded sexual favors for cupcakes and candy let me know. Otherwise, please stop.

    And I'm sorry if I offended you. That's also part of my recovery work.

    This makes no sense. Have you heard of Overeaters Anonymous? It's a 12-step program based on the AA steps, traditions, and tools that helps people recover from food addictions (sugar and white flour being the most common ones amongst members) and become sober from those addictions.

    Don't be rude.

    Did you miss my apology to her? Keep up...

    You trivialize an ENTIRE group of people who legitimately struggle with food addiction, and you say "Oh, sorry" and go back to being rude. Keep working the steps. You'll get there.
  • goal_digger_2014
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    I never ever thought I'd get "sober". Second, I realize due to my addictive personality that I really just cannot have sugar at all. I'm scared of it, to be totally honest. Finally, 14 pounds looks really good not being on me.

    Kelcie, this is nothing personal towards you, I'm just assuming you're being cute. But, PLEASE, don't use addiction lingo and words like "sober" to describe your choices of eating candy and sugary stuff. It actually annoys the rest of us, ie, ME, with actual addictions who do 12-step work to recover on a daily basis.

    When you have traded sexual favors for cupcakes and candy let me know. Otherwise, please stop.

    And I'm sorry if I offended you. That's also part of my recovery work.

    This makes no sense. Have you heard of Overeaters Anonymous? It's a 12-step program based on the AA steps, traditions, and tools that helps people recover from food addictions (sugar and white flour being the most common ones amongst members) and become sober from those addictions.

    Don't be rude.

    Oh so they abstain from all food? They abstain from sugar in all forms? Hardly evidence of "sugar addiction"


    thats why its OVEREATERS anonymous not SUGAR anonymous, sugar is NOT the culprit. Self control is.

    Yep...
  • LifeItself
    LifeItself Posts: 44
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    I never ever thought I'd get "sober". Second, I realize due to my addictive personality that I really just cannot have sugar at all. I'm scared of it, to be totally honest. Finally, 14 pounds looks really good not being on me.

    Kelcie, this is nothing personal towards you, I'm just assuming you're being cute. But, PLEASE, don't use addiction lingo and words like "sober" to describe your choices of eating candy and sugary stuff. It actually annoys the rest of us, ie, ME, with actual addictions who do 12-step work to recover on a daily basis.

    When you have traded sexual favors for cupcakes and candy let me know. Otherwise, please stop.

    And I'm sorry if I offended you. That's also part of my recovery work.

    I'm offended you think Alcohol and classified "drugs" are the only things people can be addicted to. Maybe if there was a 12 step program available to those of us who have this "addiction" you would understand more. By definition sugar is addicting. This is a support post. I recommend you SUPPORT, in-spite of your personal opinions.

    It doesn't annoy me that your getting sober from the sugar. I wish I could!

    Good for you Kelcie for leaving the sugar behind you. I know your struggle. I got to sleep thinking about sugar and wake up thinking about sugar. I hope one day I can turn down a brownie - or sweet thing really.

    Overeaters Anonymous is the 12-step program for food addicts and Compulsive Overeaters. And you're right, it's sad when people can't see an inch outside of their own problems to see someone else's. It won't take any validity away from one addiction to acknowledge that there are others.
  • KShufflebarger08
    KShufflebarger08 Posts: 19 Member
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    For the record, I'm speaking of refined sugars. The sweet, white, crystallized stuff that comes in a bag at the store. ;)

    EDIT: Before someone jumps all over my case, let me include all of these too.


    Other Names for Sugar
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    by Skinny Ms.

    50 Names for Sugar

    Manufacturers often attempt to disguise sugar by simply adding a sugar by another name. Below are other names of refined sugar to look for when reading ingredient labels.

    Barley malt
    Beet sugar
    Brown sugar
    Buttered syrup
    Cane juice crystals
    Cane sugar
    Caramel
    Corn syrup
    Corn syrup solids
    Confectioners sugar
    Carob syrup
    Castor sugar
    Demerara sugar
    Dextran
    Dextrose
    Diastatic malt
    Diatase
    Ethyl maltol
    Fructose
    Fruit juice
    Fruit juice concentrate
    Galactose
    Glucose
    Glucose solids
    Golden sugar
    Golden syrup
    Grape sugar
    High Fructose Corn Syrup
    Icing sugar
    Invert sugar
    Lactose
    Maltodextrin
    Maltose
    Malt syrup
    Muscovado sugar
    Panocha
    Raw sugar
    Rice syrup
    Sorbitol
    Sucrose
    White Sugar
    Treacle
    Turbinado sugar
    Yellow sugar

    (List found at http://skinnyms.com/50-names-for-sugar/#pasTPPvW8o89GqAf.99)
  • gaelicstorm26
    gaelicstorm26 Posts: 589 Member
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    "Sugar addiction" is not currently recognized by the current DSM used is psychology/psychiatry. The DSM-V actually makes specific mention of these "behavioral addictions" and explains why they are not diagnoses (they give an example of "shopping addiction"). They cite lack of evidence (peer-reviewed studies) to even be able to write a criteria and course for such a thing.

    I happen to believe that "sugar addiction" is more of an impulse-control/behavioral problem. And yes, this comes from a person who really has struggled with significant over-eating.

    None of that invalidates your connection to sugar, but it does provide a frame of reference.

    I'm happy that you found the motivation you needed to gain control over your eating!
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
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    For the record, I'm speaking of refined sugars. The sweet, white, crystallized stuff that comes in a bag at the store. ;)

    So sucrose? The exact same sugar in apples and eggs?
  • ValGogo
    ValGogo Posts: 2,168 Member
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    I never ever thought I'd get "sober". Second, I realize due to my addictive personality that I really just cannot have sugar at all. I'm scared of it, to be totally honest. Finally, 14 pounds looks really good not being on me.

    Kelcie, this is nothing personal towards you, I'm just assuming you're being cute. But, PLEASE, don't use addiction lingo and words like "sober" to describe your choices of eating candy and sugary stuff. It actually annoys the rest of us, ie, ME, with actual addictions who do 12-step work to recover on a daily basis.

    When you have traded sexual favors for cupcakes and candy let me know. Otherwise, please stop.

    And I'm sorry if I offended you. That's also part of my recovery work.

    This makes no sense. Have you heard of Overeaters Anonymous? It's a 12-step program based on the AA steps, traditions, and tools that helps people recover from food addictions (sugar and white flour being the most common ones amongst members) and become sober from those addictions.

    Don't be rude.

    Did you miss my apology to her? Keep up...

    You trivialize an ENTIRE group of people who legitimately struggle with food addiction, and you say "Oh, sorry" and go back to being rude. Keep working the steps. You'll get there.
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  • negator5543
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    In case anyone wants to discuss actual reality instead of personal biases.


    http://www.recoveryranch.com/articles/addiction-research/food-can-be-as-addictive-as-drugs-study-finds/
    Addiction and the Brain

    In looking at the scans of the participants’ brains, the researchers found that among the women who showed at least three signs of food addition, according to the Yale Food Addiction Scale, brain activity in the regions that are related to craving and pleasure was higher than in women who had one or no signs of food addiction. The parts of the brain showing activity while looking at pictures of the milkshake include the anterior cingulate cortex, the amygdala, and the medial orbitofrontal cortex. In similar studies with drug addicts, these same parts of the brain show activity when participants are shown drugs.

    The women in the study who showed signs of being food addicts, also showed similar brain activity to drug addicts when they actually got to eat the ice cream. While eating, the lateral orbitofrontal cortex had decreased activity in these women. This same happens with drug addicts while they are using and indicates lessened self-control.

    Distinguishing Characteristics

    While many of the similarities between food addicts and drug addicts were striking, there were also important differences highlighted by the Yale study. Unlike drug addicts, the food-addicted women did not lose the pleasurable sensation of viewing the shake, when they finally got to eat it. Their pleasure centers remained on high alert throughout.

    In contrast, drug addicts continue to crave drugs over time, but their pleasure in using decreases. This creates a tolerance, which leads to the cycle of using drugs over and over again trying to chase a high. It also leads to abusers using more and more of a substance to get a high and one of the great dangers that puts addicts at risk of overdosing. It seems that food addicts do not lose the sense of pleasure, but the researchers suggest that this might be a trait seen only in serious addicts. The women in the study were not severely addicted to food.
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