People claiming to be full in tiny calorie amounts
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I don't think she meant 1500 is 'high' but that is at least a non-controversial calorie level here.
Yeah, it's like a badge of honor here... how many calories you CAN eat and still lose weight. It's a little caveman-like-- "Me big, go gym long hours, eat bacon, lift, me macho! You bad who do yoga and eat salad! Bad, lazy, old, little female!" :laugh:And on this site I actually find there's a lot of encouragement to eat a lot of calories. I find myself thinking whether I should put mine up pretty often, and I normally eat at least 1500, just because there's so much advocation of high calories, then I think why change what's been working for me for months.
Omg! This made my morning lol
If you guys seriously consider 1500 calories to be "high" I think you have a very skewed idea about how much energy your body requires and what a calorie is.
People get overweight when they don't pay attention to their calories, in otherwords they don't realize how much they are eating. To get fat most people have to eat something like 3000 calories with a fair amount of frequency and most people can lose weight eating 2000 calories as a result (slowly lose weight). You can try to lose more weight by going lower sure but to those who go to 1200 you are honestly causing yourself more harm than good.
People telling you this aren't being macho they are telling you the truth.
If you think people need to eat 3000 calories to get fat and that everyone can lose at 2000, I suggest you plug some values besides your own into a BMR/TDEE calculator. Tell it you're female, age 60, 5'3", 130lbs. with a desk job. That TDEE is 1356 a day. That person would gain at 1500. Not everyone is you.0 -
Yeah, it's like a badge of honor here... how many calories you CAN eat and still lose weight. It's a little caveman-like-- "Me big, go gym long hours, eat bacon, lift, me macho! You bad who do yoga and eat salad! Bad, lazy, old, little female!" :laugh:And on this site I actually find there's a lot of encouragement to eat a lot of calories. I find myself thinking whether I should put mine up pretty often, and I normally eat at least 1500, just because there's so much advocation of high calories, then I think why change what's been working for me for months.
What's wrong with finding one can eat MORE (than extra low calorie) and still lose? That's exactly what I'm working on doing (former low calorie yo-yo dieter). I'm up to 1550/day average, trying out 1600-1650/day starting next Monday for the next 3 weeks or more, to see what that yields.
Oh, and I strength train, and eat bacon nearly daily, lol. It's a broad brushstroke to label that "machoism". I call it "learning to eat moderately again", so once my weight/size goal is met, I'm just about eating at maintenance.0 -
I think you can get away with a lower calorie, higher fiber diet if you are less active.
My motto however is "Fuel and Train. Don't diet and exercise." I LIKE using my body and doing cool things.
Additionally, I've found that weight loss and maintenance exist in calorie bands. For instance, I'll maintain my weight over a period of 12 weeks eating at either 2050 calories or 2400 calories. I've found that I'm more likely to gain muscle and lose fat eating at the higher end of the band. Also chocolate chip cookies. Why would you eat less than you have to?0 -
I do find it interesting that a lot of people think the minimum amount of calories should be the same for someone that is 5' or 6' tall.0
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So when my stomach says, "I'm not hungry anymore," it's because of one of those five reasons and it can't possibly be because I just simply have a small appetite?1 - they're full of ****
2- they don't understand proper nutrition so they think they have to entire give up calorie dense foods and eat nothing but veggies and whatnot...which won't have many calories and won't provide much in the way of energy, but are going to be high volume and probably leave them feeling a bit bloated and otherwise full.
3 - they have a ****ty relationship with food in general and dietary fat in particular...they think fat is "bad" and do not understand that dietary fat is essential to proper nutrition.
4 - they buy into this whole clean eating concept which they don't really fully understand because they don't actually understand much about actual nutrition which leads to issues 2 & 3.
5 - they have other deep seeded emotional and psychological issues
No you can be legitimately full. It is knowing that you need to eat more and yet not doing so because you are just "so full" that means you have some sort of issue. If you need to eat more you should eat more regardless of how "full" you feel. If you are constantly feeling "full" without eating enough calories then you need to make changes to your food choices so that that stops happening.0 -
I don't think she meant 1500 is 'high' but that is at least a non-controversial calorie level here.
Yeah, it's like a badge of honor here... how many calories you CAN eat and still lose weight. It's a little caveman-like-- "Me big, go gym long hours, eat bacon, lift, me macho! You bad who do yoga and eat salad! Bad, lazy, old, little female!" :laugh:And on this site I actually find there's a lot of encouragement to eat a lot of calories. I find myself thinking whether I should put mine up pretty often, and I normally eat at least 1500, just because there's so much advocation of high calories, then I think why change what's been working for me for months.
Omg! This made my morning lol
If you guys seriously consider 1500 calories to be "high" I think you have a very skewed idea about how much energy your body requires and what a calorie is.
People get overweight when they don't pay attention to their calories, in otherwords they don't realize how much they are eating. To get fat most people have to eat something like 3000 calories with a fair amount of frequency and most people can lose weight eating 2000 calories as a result (slowly lose weight). You can try to lose more weight by going lower sure but to those who go to 1200 you are honestly causing yourself more harm than good.
People telling you this aren't being macho they are telling you the truth.
If you think people need to eat 3000 calories to get fat and that everyone can lose at 2000, I suggest you plug some values besides your own into a BMR/TDEE calculator. Tell it you're female, age 60, 5'3", 130lbs. with a desk job. That TDEE is 1356 a day. That person would gain at 1500. Not everyone is you.
I did not say everyone I said most people and I stick by that. Look up the average persons stats and plug those into that calculator. There is a reason that the daily nutrition values are based on a 2000 calorie diet and I was making the assumption that people who want to lose weight are on average heavier than the general population.0 -
I can't do 1200 calories to save my life. I need at least 1500 or I'm going to murder everyone in sight because I'm so HANGRY. However, everyone is different. So, don't be discouraged. Eat enough to not be HANGRY and get some sweat time in, you'll lose weight in no time.0
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If I eat 800 calories and feel full, it probably was after a 2000 calorie day eating half a watermelon, 2 salads, a huge stir fry and other misc. items that are low calorie but huge volume
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Yeah, it's like a badge of honor here... how many calories you CAN eat and still lose weight. It's a little caveman-like-- "Me big, go gym long hours, eat bacon, lift, me macho! You bad who do yoga and eat salad! Bad, lazy, old, little female!" :laugh:And on this site I actually find there's a lot of encouragement to eat a lot of calories. I find myself thinking whether I should put mine up pretty often, and I normally eat at least 1500, just because there's so much advocation of high calories, then I think why change what's been working for me for months.
What's wrong with finding one can eat MORE (than extra low calorie) and still lose? That's exactly what I'm working on doing (former low calorie yo-yo dieter). I'm up to 1550/day average, trying out 1600-1650/day starting next Monday for the next 3 weeks or more, to see what that yields.
Oh, and I strength train, and eat bacon nearly daily, lol. It's a broad brushstroke to label that "machoism". I call it "learning to eat moderately again", so once my weight/size goal is met, I'm just about eating at maintenance.
Seriously. Eating as much as you can and still lose weight sounds like a good idea to me. Certainly better than to try to eat as little as you can.0 -
I eat around 1200-1300 a day and don't feel the need to eat any more. I don't get "hungry" after that. But i'm not "so full that I CAN'T eat any more." It's all a matter of if you NEED to
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They are lying. I eat that many calories a day every day and I am hungry and cranky all the time.
What have we got to gain from lying???
Not saying who's lying and right or wrong...I do agree with Dr. House on this "Everybody lies. The difference is what we lie about". People lie, with or without obvious intentions.0 -
I eat around 1200-1300 a day and don't feel the need to eat any more. I don't get "hungry" after that. But i'm not "so full that I CAN'T eat any more." It's all a matter of if you NEED to
Are you meeting your micro and macro nutrient requirements? Grams of protein? Grams of fat? Iron?0 -
I try to avoid the "if it worked for me it will work for you" type of comments but honestly I think that probably is universal. Less fiber, more fat = more calories, less full.
An honest question: have you tried eating that way hence conclusion or did you just assume?
I tried eating that way to start. Had my net goal set at 1500 and ate very little carbs, lots of lean protein with a lot of veg. My fat intake was very low. I struggled to eat even 1500 doing that.
I mean honestly you don't even have to try it to understand that trying to eat a significant amount of calories from vegetables is going to physically fill your stomach. I've never felt "cravings" for food that people describe so that was never a driver for me. If I felt full then eating more was unappealing. Now I DID force myself to eat to reach my goal but after talking more on the forums I decided to up my calorie goal and ease back on the veg and lean protein and diversify a bit more.
you confused me, sorry. I quoted you and asked the quesiton on this specific statement you made: Less fiber, more fat = more calories, less full.
But you said your fat intake was very low...it does sound different approach....0 -
But you're also saying people trying to lose at 1200-1500 are misinformed and people telling them to eat more are just trying to educate them. The assumption seems to be that those of us who aren't the 'average person' are ... I'm not sure. Uninformed? Not here? Supposed to eat higher because it's easier for you to dispense advice to an 'average person'?I did not say everyone I said most people and I stick by that. Look up the average persons stats and plug those into that calculator.
There's nothing wrong with trying to eat all you can while still losing weight, if that's your choice. Why is there something wrong with eating 1200-1500, if that's someone's choice? It's not unsafe, despite popular opinion. It's not overly aggressive for many.0 -
Going to throw this out there. They could be new and still trying to figure everything out. Mine is set to 1220 based on the info I entered here. I didn't adjust it because I am still learning and finding what works best for me.
I spend most of my day sitting, teaching my kids, so I don't burn nearly as much as a person who works out a lot or has a job that requires a lot of activity.
I will tell you, it wasn't easy the first bit but now it's not bad. I don't feel screaming hunger and I don't over-stuff myself. Some days cravings and hunger are more intense then others, some days I go over, some under, it just depends on what food I have access to. Honestly, some days I forget to eat, that's nothing new and I know it's not good.
I agree with the over or under estimating being a possibility. I don't have access to the tools you need in the kitchen to more accurately measure food. I have to make my best guess and hope I'm close. I could be drastically underestimating, though I don't think so.0 -
And that is how people end up overweight. Eating when not hungry is not really the best idea. And when the very thought of putting another bite into my mouth makes me want to throw up because I am not hungry anymore, I'm not going to eat more.
So when my stomach says, "I'm not hungry anymore," it's because of one of those five reasons and it can't possibly be because I just simply have a small appetite?1 - they're full of ****
2- they don't understand proper nutrition so they think they have to entire give up calorie dense foods and eat nothing but veggies and whatnot...which won't have many calories and won't provide much in the way of energy, but are going to be high volume and probably leave them feeling a bit bloated and otherwise full.
3 - they have a ****ty relationship with food in general and dietary fat in particular...they think fat is "bad" and do not understand that dietary fat is essential to proper nutrition.
4 - they buy into this whole clean eating concept which they don't really fully understand because they don't actually understand much about actual nutrition which leads to issues 2 & 3.
5 - they have other deep seeded emotional and psychological issues
No you can be legitimately full. It is knowing that you need to eat more and yet not doing so because you are just "so full" that means you have some sort of issue. If you need to eat more you should eat more regardless of how "full" you feel. If you are constantly feeling "full" without eating enough calories then you need to make changes to your food choices so that that stops happening.
I've never been a big eater. Ever. And I've also never been bigger than a size 12, which for me is quite large. I was a size 6 at most until I was almost 30 years old. Would I like to lose weight? Yes. But do I REALLY need to? No. Because I don't eat when I'm not hungry.
All the people I ever knew who ate when they weren't hungry have been seriously overweight most of their lives.
And I've also always been healthy, with my bloodwork from every doctor's visit coming back showing that I am getting the nutrients I need.
If people want to and are able to eat more and achieve the results they want, good for them. I'm not sure, though, why you all feel the need to put down people who live differently, though.0 -
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"But you're also saying people trying to lose at 1200-1500 are misinformed and people telling them to eat more are just trying to educate them. The assumption seems to be that those of us who aren't the 'average person' are ... I'm not sure. Uninformed? Not here? Supposed to eat higher because it's easier for you to dispense advice to an 'average person'?
There's nothing wrong with trying to eat all you can while still losing weight, if that's your choice. Why is there something wrong with eating 1200-1500, if that's someone's choice? It's not unsafe, despite popular opinion. It's not overly aggressive for many."
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Everybody is different so you shouldn't compare yourself to others. If you stopped eating every few hours and began to eat only once or twice a day, your body would adjust to that. If you start eating small meals throughout the day, then you'll be hungry every few hours. I know because I've done both. I personally don't like eating small meals throughout the day because it takes too much preparation and if I didn't eat every 3 hours I would get cranky and light headed. Frankly, eating that much is annoying. I lowered my intake of carbs just a little bit and increased my protein and fat and that stopped. When you eat a lot of carbs it spikes your blood sugar and then when it comes down, you're starving again like you never ate in the first place. I can eat 3 square meals a day and be satiated for 5-6 hours at a time.0
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Peanut butter sammich and a glass of milk.0
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great reply! I agree, why compare? Each of our bodies is different.Everyone's body is different... there's no point in comparing yourself to anyone else and beating yourself up.
Focus on what works best for you and stick with it.
That sounds like more of a self esteem issue of your own than an issue that can be fixed if the rest of us eat more food.if I eat a normal day's worth of food (1800 calories to 2000) I am a disgusting un womanly pig
Also your normal may not be someone else's...the word normal is pretty relative.
Comparing yourself to anyone else on the board will only make you feel less than. If what you're doing is working for you, keep it up and that might help you not feel the need to worry so much about the rest of us.
I'm sorry you feel like a disgusting un-womanly pig, I really doubt that you are. Focus on the positives on the boards and your mind will follow!0 -
And that is how people end up overweight. Eating when not hungry is not really the best idea. And when the very thought of putting another bite into my mouth makes me want to throw up because I am not hungry anymore, I'm not going to eat more.
So when my stomach says, "I'm not hungry anymore," it's because of one of those five reasons and it can't possibly be because I just simply have a small appetite?1 - they're full of ****
2- they don't understand proper nutrition so they think they have to entire give up calorie dense foods and eat nothing but veggies and whatnot...which won't have many calories and won't provide much in the way of energy, but are going to be high volume and probably leave them feeling a bit bloated and otherwise full.
3 - they have a ****ty relationship with food in general and dietary fat in particular...they think fat is "bad" and do not understand that dietary fat is essential to proper nutrition.
4 - they buy into this whole clean eating concept which they don't really fully understand because they don't actually understand much about actual nutrition which leads to issues 2 & 3.
5 - they have other deep seeded emotional and psychological issues
No you can be legitimately full. It is knowing that you need to eat more and yet not doing so because you are just "so full" that means you have some sort of issue. If you need to eat more you should eat more regardless of how "full" you feel. If you are constantly feeling "full" without eating enough calories then you need to make changes to your food choices so that that stops happening.
I've never been a big eater. Ever. And I've also never been bigger than a size 12, which for me is quite large. I was a size 6 at most until I was almost 30 years old. Would I like to lose weight? Yes. But do I REALLY need to? No. Because I don't eat when I'm not hungry.
All the people I ever knew who ate when they weren't hungry have been seriously overweight most of their lives.
And I've also always been healthy, with my bloodwork from every doctor's visit coming back showing that I am getting the nutrients I need.
If people want to and are able to eat more and achieve the results they want, good for them. I'm not sure, though, why you all feel the need to put down people who live differently, though.
I ended up overweight by eating too little, starving and then binging. That is very, very, very common.
When I make sure to eat regularly even when I'm not "hungry" I end up eating a better diet that's within my calorie range. That's also pretty common.0 -
Mine is set to 1210 to lose 1.5 per week with 33 to lose. I'll be bumping down to 1 per week soon, but I think were I am is ok for now. This is based on MFP recommendations considering BMR and a sedentary activity level. When I eat high protein and high fat foods, I can typically stick to that without much griping as long as I eat exercise calories back.
However, there are days when I want to eat my own hand. Those days are predictably timed within my hormonal cycle, and I just let it happen. I overshoot by 200-300/day for a day or two. BUT - the week following I usually have little to no appetite and hover around 1100 for around 3-4 days. All in all, my weekly deficit is still the same but the daily fluctuates.
All of that being said, I think a lot of people do like to "humble brag" and talk about how they just can't hit the 1200/day no matter how hard they try. Some people have small appetites, I get it, but it's kind of a slap in the face to those of us who are trying really hard not to overshoot our numbers.0 -
OP, Why does it matter what other people eat? Why not focus on you and what works for you?
Personally, I eat around 1200-1500 calories per day depending on what I'm eating, whether or not I'm working out, or just how hungry I am. During that week of the month, I'm ridiculously ravenous. I could eat a village out of their food and then go back for more.
Lovely OP, make sure that whatever plan you're working with, it is working for you. Ensure your nutritional needs are being met.
For one, I know that if I concerned myself with what everyone else was eating and everyone else's calories, I'd be driving myself absolutely insane.
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When people post things on here saying they only eat 1200/1000/800 etc calories a day and they are soooooo full and they just can't seem to find ways to eat more than that while at the same time claiming to be fat (how did they get fat eating so little?) are they just lying. When I eat 1500 calories a day, even if I eat masses of bulk through non starchy vegetables, I am utterly ravenous, obsessed with food until I've eaten at least 1800-2000 calories. I'll feel lightheaded, unable to think properly, tired, demotivated and obsessive. But there's people claiming to regularly eat way below that and to feel like they've eaten TOO much, while being fat... It's really discouraging, it makes me feel like if I eat a normal day's worth of food (1800 calories to 2000) I am a disgusting un womanly pig because clearly I seem to be unable to eat less. But I kind if suspect it's just one of those internet lies, I think those people are either eating more or are not fat and have not been fat recently.
You know what? Screw you. I'm so f*cking tired of people having an opinion about MY life without knowing me AT ALL.
You know how I got fat? From drinking soda and coffee - to the tune of 1200ish calories a day. I've never been an over-eater, I've never been an emotional eater, I've never relied on food for ANYTHING other than making me full.
If you feel like a disgusting un-womanly pig - that's on YOU - not me.
I started this journey at 232 pounds 5'4" - so yeah, I was fat. I STILL am fat at 205.2. I weigh all my food. I eat the same things I did before I quit drinking all the ridiculous crap. I'm struggling to meet my goals and whiny s*its like you aren't helping at all. I actively try EVERY SINGLE DAY to eat more. I make myself sick in an effort to meet the magic 1200 that everyone seems stuck on. I skip working out even though I love it because every single day I don't meet my calorie goal is a FAILURE. I have literally failed every single day for almost 60 days in a row. I ask for help, calorie dense food suggestions, snack suggestions, etc. Instead I generally get criticism, guilt trips and name calling.
I post kindly in the "I can't stop eating" threads. Why can't the same be done for people who are GENUINELY trying to lose weight in a healthy, attainable way but are unused to eating a lot of food every single day? What a ridiculous and disgusting double standard.
I feel empathy for anyone trying to lose weight and having a hard time - if it's uncontrollable snacking, inability to say no to certain foods, or people that gained weight because of other factors and have trouble eating as much as they are supposed to.0 -
Some people have few problems with their hunger urge, and can eat low calorie or even fast for long periods without feeling especially hungry. My brother on the other hand...when that guy gets hungry he either gets some food in him soon or gets pissy and it becomes everyone's problem. Dude gets HUNGRY.
Something else to bear in mind is that people who get fat often aren't eating because their hungry, but because of eating disorders, stress, habit, or just from the chemical buzz that comes from eating. Or maybe they just like food.
When I'm on low calorie, after I adjust to it, I can eat very little and be perfectly fine with it. I don't start thinking about food for a solid week or so, at which point its time for a cheat meal anyways. After about the third day of a fast, hunger urges start getting a lot more distant, and this can continue for another 4-5 days before the body starts saying, "OK. For serious. Eat something."
So everyone has different experiences with this. For some people 1000 calories, or even 600, isn't that hard. Its just not sustainable long term.0 -
I ended up overweight by eating too little, starving and then binging.
I assume when you binged, you ate beyond hunger, correct?
I didn't say it was the ONLY way people end up overweight, but it is certainly a recipe to ensure it happens.0 -
And that is how people end up overweight. Eating when not hungry is not really the best idea. And when the very thought of putting another bite into my mouth makes me want to throw up because I am not hungry anymore, I'm not going to eat more.
So when my stomach says, "I'm not hungry anymore," it's because of one of those five reasons and it can't possibly be because I just simply have a small appetite?1 - they're full of ****
2- they don't understand proper nutrition so they think they have to entire give up calorie dense foods and eat nothing but veggies and whatnot...which won't have many calories and won't provide much in the way of energy, but are going to be high volume and probably leave them feeling a bit bloated and otherwise full.
3 - they have a ****ty relationship with food in general and dietary fat in particular...they think fat is "bad" and do not understand that dietary fat is essential to proper nutrition.
4 - they buy into this whole clean eating concept which they don't really fully understand because they don't actually understand much about actual nutrition which leads to issues 2 & 3.
5 - they have other deep seeded emotional and psychological issues
No you can be legitimately full. It is knowing that you need to eat more and yet not doing so because you are just "so full" that means you have some sort of issue. If you need to eat more you should eat more regardless of how "full" you feel. If you are constantly feeling "full" without eating enough calories then you need to make changes to your food choices so that that stops happening.
I've never been a big eater. Ever. And I've also never been bigger than a size 12, which for me is quite large. I was a size 6 at most until I was almost 30 years old. Would I like to lose weight? Yes. But do I REALLY need to? No. Because I don't eat when I'm not hungry.
All the people I ever knew who ate when they weren't hungry have been seriously overweight most of their lives.
And I've also always been healthy, with my bloodwork from every doctor's visit coming back showing that I am getting the nutrients I need.
If people want to and are able to eat more and achieve the results they want, good for them. I'm not sure, though, why you all feel the need to put down people who live differently, though.
To this I would just point out there is an absolute night and day difference between someone who doesn't track their calories eating when they aren't hungry and someone who DOES track their calories eating when they aren't hungry because they realize they need more calories according to their plan.
I have eaten when not hungry numerous times during my current diet because I am tracking my intake and I wish to hit my goal. Sometimes I exercise a lot and my goal becomes quite high and it can be tough to eat enough.0 -
Everyone is different. When I was actively losing weight (not now, am pregnant), I would eat all of my food earlier in the day and not eat anything after dinner at like 5 or 6 at the latest. Then, I was REALLY hungry but would ignore it. I found it easier to ignore my hunger at night, when I wasn't so busy. Now I'm pregnant and my condescending, preachy doctor told me not to gain ANY more weight, even though I have 17 weeks left. So yeah, I'm back to starving at night after eating 1500-1800 calories during the day. She'd better be right saying that it won't hurt the baby, or she's going to have one angry woman on her hands.0
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I eat around 1200-1300 a day and don't feel the need to eat any more. I don't get "hungry" after that. But i'm not "so full that I CAN'T eat any more." It's all a matter of if you NEED to
I see that you joined MFP this month. I think I stuck with a 1200 calorie (or less) diet pretty easily the first month, maybe even a little longer. But over time I felt it was prudent to increase it. Maybe it was just that I started working out more regularly and more energetically. Maybe there is some mechanism that allows us to "coast" for the first while. Most of my friends have done the same. The exception seems to be older women who don't exercise vigorously. I'm hoping if you find yourself feeling headachy or less energetic at sometime in the future you will also adjust your goal.0 -
But you're also saying people trying to lose at 1200-1500 are misinformed and people telling them to eat more are just trying to educate them. The assumption seems to be that those of us who aren't the 'average person' are ... I'm not sure. Uninformed? Not here? Supposed to eat higher because it's easier for you to dispense advice to an 'average person'?I did not say everyone I said most people and I stick by that. Look up the average persons stats and plug those into that calculator.
There's nothing wrong with trying to eat all you can while still losing weight, if that's your choice. Why is there something wrong with eating 1200-1500, if that's someone's choice? It's not unsafe, despite popular opinion. It's not overly aggressive for many.
I don't believe I ever said something as absolutist as that. I do not believe that 1200-1500 calories is wrong for everyone, but for the majority of people it is so when someone says they are eating 1200 calories I approach it with skepticism and ask them how many grams of protein they are getting, how many grams of fat and if they are hitting their micronutrients. I don't see why that approach is wrong honestly.
If somone who is small enough that 1200 calories is sufficient for them wants to lose weight at a rate that is quick they are better off doing some exercise to raise up their calorie allotment than to stick with a diet where they are not getting the nutrition they need.
What frightens me is when I ask people on 1200 calorie diets if they are getting x grams of protein or x grams of fat or their necessary iron they either don't have an answer or they aren't.0
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