Fruit = sugar ... arghh!!

Fatandfifty3

Sweetie.... how can I put this.... you have lost 43lbs.... forty three pounds....
If you've done that by eating fruit...
Keep Eating The Fruit!

earlnabby

Counting sugar isn't even that important for some diabetics. I am diabetic (well controlled with a low dose of medication and there is a good chance I will be off that by the end of summer) and my doctor told me to ignore sugar and count total carbs only. I count fiber instead but she told me I can't count net carbs but must stick with total.

Eat your fruit if you like it and can fit it in with all of the other macro and micronutrients!

Alluminati

Sugar in fruit is NATURAL SUGAR and GOOD FOR YOU! Sugar cane and splenda etc are all empty calories.

Splenda doesn't have calories.

Though I admire the David Tennant .gif, I just-

http://www.splenda.com/products/granulated

I don't know much about splenda, so thanks! But just saying. Fruits vs. your cane sugar....

^^ you are aware that sugar cane is a type of grass, right?

Alluminati

These threads always deliver.

bcanderson123456

My extreme limiting of carbohydrates and sugar is going REALLY well for me, actually - thanks for asking.

My chronic acid reflux is gone. My insomnia is gone. My acne is gone. My hair and nails are stronger. My poor circulation is no longer a problem. I no longer want to take a nap halfway through the day.

Dietary sugar and carbs are not necessary for health. Your body can create the necessary blood glucose for bodily functions from dietary protein.

The human body would be a real piece of **** if it hadn't evolved a metabolic pathway for dealing with carbohydrate restriction. (Which, before agriculture, was about 85% of the year)

So you also think carbs are bad. Lets see, the Institute of Medicine suggests 130 grams of carbs a day to ensure proper brain function. There is no scientific evidence that a low carb diet is the answer. The reason you lose weight on a low carb diet is because it will also mean a low calorie diet, unless you eat a whole lot of fat. Have you stopped to think that all those improvements you talk about are because you now weigh less and has nothing to do with low sugars and carbs. You have bought into one of the most wide spread weight loss myths that exists.

QuietBloom

I will never understand the religious fervor that some low-carb people try to whip up. If it works for you, fantastic. Go to town. But why do they feel compelled to try and convert everyone else?

Just as I do not understand why people jump in on newbies seeking advice for their newly adopted Keto WOE with "it's all about moderation not restriction!" and "unless you have diabetes, you should still eat carbs!"

Opinions run rampant on the message boards and I see them coming from ALL directions.

Oh boy, I just have to respond to this! Didn't the OP post seeking help? And isn't this a public bb?

Flabbergasted...

SLLRunner

Sorry to burst your bubbles up in here, but sugar is sugar.

Your body does not say "Oh, well THIS sugar came from an APPLE, so I'm going to treat it differently than if it had come from a CANDY BAR".

It's still sugar. It still rots your teeth. It still stimulates the production of insulin.

Fruit these days is absolutely ridiculous and has been bred over years and years to be more packed with sugar and less packed with fiber.

The only outliers in this tend to be berries. They have sugar, but are still primarily fiber, and can be eaten in moderation. If you're worried about your vitamins and minerals, eat more non-starchy vegetables.

Fruits are mostly useless, and are a common trigger for people to over consume because they think "Oh, it's FRUIT! It must be healthy!". But your body goes "Oh, it's SUGAR! Give me more SUGAR!" and pretty soon you're craving any ol' sweet thing.

It's true that sugar is sugar, but you are way off in the rest of your assessment. While it may be true for you that sugar makes you crave more sugar, it's not true for everyone. And, sugar is not good or bad, it just is. Just like everything else, moderation is the key. I have fruit on my oatmeal every morning and a pear for my afternoon snack, I certainly don't crave more sugar throughout the day because of this. It's simply what I choose to eat.

I'm all for balance and moderation.

SLLRunner

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3894001

Most notably the part that reads: These experiments show that elevations in insulin produce increased hunger, heightened perceived pleasantness of sweet taste, and increased food intake.

You know what increases insulin levels? Eating simple sugars.

Guess what… protein increases insulin levels as well!!

Oh, and I'd like to see the full study. Not just the abstract

Same. I cannot comment based on an abstract written in 1985 without the full study. I want to see what they did to induce hyperinsulinemia and how they gaged the responses. I also want to know what controls were used etc.

I also want a more recent peer reviewed study because 29 years ago was too long ago for newer studies not to have been done.

pjmkinder

I was close to hitting my goal in weight watchers and I just couldn't lose those last 5 lbs and was going on vacation and a leader just said you can eat fruit but it does have calories as well. Even tho it has 0 points plus it does have calories so I just watched the fruit intake and ate more veggies and i ost the weight and made my goal.

ironanimal

Meh, I tried low carb briefly, but it was unsustainable. Aside from the options available being highly restricted, I never got past the lethargy and fogginess which was a dangerous thing to be suffering from when driving in London.

Can't advise it. Seems silly.

SLLRunner

My extreme limiting of carbohydrates and sugar is going REALLY well for me, actually - thanks for asking.

My chronic acid reflux is gone. My insomnia is gone. My acne is gone. My hair and nails are stronger. My poor circulation is no longer a problem. I no longer want to take a nap halfway through the day.

Dietary sugar and carbs are not necessary for health. Your body can create the necessary blood glucose for bodily functions from dietary protein.

The human body would be a real piece of **** if it hadn't evolved a metabolic pathway for dealing with carbohydrate restriction. (Which, before agriculture, was about 85% of the year)

So, this is what worked for YOU. Stop extrapolating your issues with sugar and applying them to everyone else and saying sugar is crap. There is nothing wrong with carbs or sugar.

Cranquistador

In with blueberries.


mmmmmmm

myfitnesspale3

... all food is useless, because even if you eat it, you're going to die anyway!

Shut up and eat your fruit. Or don't. and leave OP and her fruit alone.

This is an excellent thread to add users to ignore.

nutmegoreo

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3894001

Most notably the part that reads: These experiments show that elevations in insulin produce increased hunger, heightened perceived pleasantness of sweet taste, and increased food intake.

You know what increases insulin levels? Eating simple sugars.

Guess what… protein increases insulin levels as well!!

Oh, and I'd like to see the full study. Not just the abstract

Same. I cannot comment based on an abstract written in 1985 without the full study. I want to see what they did to induce hyperinsulinemia and how they gaged the responses. I also want to know what controls were used etc.

I also want a more recent peer reviewed study because 29 years ago was too long ago for newer studies not to have been done.

It wasn't a study, it was a literature review. Conclusions were inconclusive.

ETA: References ranged from 1940-1983, except for Pavlov from 1927. The author referenced four of her own works, and the paper was done for a presidential address on obesity.

In the conclusion:

My discussion of hyperinsulinemia is only intended as an example, rather than an explanation, of the fact that overeating is no longer the simple phenomenon we once thought it was. It seems to be caused by a complex feedback system of environmental, behavioral, and biological factors that we are just beginning to unravel.

Rodin, J. (1985). Insulin levels, hunger, and food intake: An example of feedback loops in body weight regulation. Health Psychology, 4(1), 1-24. doi:10.1037/0278-6133.4.1.1

Alluminati

... all food is useless, because even if you eat it, you're going to die anyway!

Shut up and eat your fruit. Or don't. and leave OP and her fruit alone.

This is an excellent thread to add users to ignore.

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JoeCampbell85

My extreme limiting of carbohydrates and sugar is going REALLY well for me, actually - thanks for asking.

My chronic acid reflux is gone. My insomnia is gone. My acne is gone. My hair and nails are stronger. My poor circulation is no longer a problem. I no longer want to take a nap halfway through the day.

Dietary sugar and carbs are not necessary for health. Your body can create the necessary blood glucose for bodily functions from dietary protein.

The human body would be a real piece of **** if it hadn't evolved a metabolic pathway for dealing with carbohydrate restriction. (Which, before agriculture, was about 85% of the year)

So, this is what worked for YOU. Stop extrapolating your issues with sugar and applying them to everyone else and saying sugar is crap. There is nothing wrong with carbs or sugar.

I literally saw all those things from just changing my diet from normal western fast food diet to eating mostly clean food. I eat 200-350 g of carbs and 4-5 fruits a day. I love it. I love when people confuse causation and correlation.

demorelli

Fruits are amazing! Yes, they are high sugar, but they don't come with the other junk that candy bars have, and they have a lot of good for you antioxidants, enzymes, and vitamins. They are a bounty. Eat them, enjoy them, and use the calories in them to replace junk calories. I've significantly increased my fruit intake recently (I eat some veggies too, but I have trouble getting very many servings), and it's helping to keep me full, not crave sugary treats as much, and so far the weight is just falling off!

On a side note, some people have a medical reason for avoiding sugar. If you have medical reasons, then yes, the sugar from a lot of fruit could be a problem. But if not, it's totally okay!

I like to keep my sugar listed on my diary. I increased my sugar goal to 100 grams, but I don't force myself to stick to that as long as I'm eating healthy. I have it on my diary mostly just so I can see my sugar intake.

cincysweetheart

I agree with the title of your post! Augh! It drives me nuts how much people freak out over the sugar in fruit! Just like fat doesn't make you fat, neither does sugar! And with few exceptions fruit isn't even a big deal for those who need to watch their sugar! The naturally occurring sugar in fruit CANNOT even be compared to the refined sugars we find in cakes, cookies, or sodas. Eat your fruit and enjoy it and (mentally) tell that cashier to stuff it!

Cranquistador

... all food is useless, because even if you eat it, you're going to die anyway!

Shut up and eat your fruit. Or don't. and leave OP and her fruit alone.

This is an excellent thread to add users to ignore.

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helenarriaza

Sorry to burst your bubbles up in here, but sugar is sugar.

Your body does not say "Oh, well THIS sugar came from an APPLE, so I'm going to treat it differently than if it had come from a CANDY BAR".

It's still sugar. It still rots your teeth. It still stimulates the production of insulin.

Fruit these days is absolutely ridiculous and has been bred over years and years to be more packed with sugar and less packed with fiber.

The only outliers in this tend to be berries. They have sugar, but are still primarily fiber, and can be eaten in moderation. If you're worried about your vitamins and minerals, eat more non-starchy vegetables.

Fruits are mostly useless, and are a common trigger for people to over consume because they think "Oh, it's FRUIT! It must be healthy!". But your body goes "Oh, it's SUGAR! Give me more SUGAR!" and pretty soon you're craving any ol' sweet thing.

Oh hun, no.

Alluminati

... all food is useless, because even if you eat it, you're going to die anyway!

Shut up and eat your fruit. Or don't. and leave OP and her fruit alone.

This is an excellent thread to add users to ignore.

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MyM0wM0w

was in a trader joe's yesterday, and couldn't resist a few of the deals on fruit...got some cherries, some apricots, and some blueberries... at the counter I off had just noted, "wow, I got a lot of fruit"....the clerk, in response, said "a lot of sugar". This took me by surprise, but I just replied "oh, we're not going to start counting the sugar in fruit are we?" . She looked at me, and said dryly "YOU should" ( with an emphasis on the "You". Lol, she was a little overweight herself, and I am of course a bit over weight, but just WOW. I wanted to reply back that "it wasn't eating fruit that got you and me in this shape lady"

and that is still my thoughts...I actively try to get a few servings of fruit in my diet to keep me sane (plus...fruit!!). google doesn't solve this. even myfitnesspal counts the sugar as too high. so what I should just eat broccoli and chicken and water right? I guess that's what it means.

I would have went straight to her boss.

^ this.

Maitria

I'm pretty sure I would rather not reach my goals than not get to have fruit.