Is being fat a disability??
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Quote from OP in another thread...No shaming is ok and its just as bad to call someone out for being too skinny...
you have to judge a person from what is inside not outside and i know that sounds cheesy but its true. never judge a book by its cover but it might have a ratty cover and be the best damn book you have ever read!!
So which is it? Judge or don't...
im not judging by saying fat is not a disability if not accompanied by a medical issue. i have plenty of friends who are overweight...hell that was me at one time. Do I think you can use it as a crutch no.....but I dont think someone is a second hand citizen because of their weight.....
You've totally judged your coworker.
I have known this woman for 14 yrs...I know HER!! I did not judge her. She overshares everything...including every medication she is on, her social life and everything in between.
And you saw fit to call her out like that in a work meeting?
I did not call her out in a meeting. My boss and I were having a conversation between the two of us that someone overheard and commented on....it was that comment that got everyone talking.....After the original comment to my boss...I never said another word....I never have or would ever call someone out in front of anyone....0 -
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Quote from OP in another thread...No shaming is ok and its just as bad to call someone out for being too skinny...
you have to judge a person from what is inside not outside and i know that sounds cheesy but its true. never judge a book by its cover but it might have a ratty cover and be the best damn book you have ever read!!
So which is it? Judge or don't...
im not judging by saying fat is not a disability if not accompanied by a medical issue. i have plenty of friends who are overweight...hell that was me at one time. Do I think you can use it as a crutch no.....but I dont think someone is a second hand citizen because of their weight.....
You've totally judged your coworker.
I have known this woman for 14 yrs...I know HER!! I did not judge her. She overshares everything...including every medication she is on, her social life and everything in between.
I added this part but that was after you quoted...
Whether you've worked with her for 14 years or just met her...it's clear you have no empathy for her, nor do you really know what's going on with her. A lot of times people will hide the truth for fear of being judged. Yet, you've labeled her as a victim, said the depression thing is bs (you've backed off of that statement a little) and said she uses it as an excuse. ALL of that is judging.
When I was at my darkest - NOBODY knew. Not my coworkers, not my family, not my roommates. I hid it from everyone. I know you said she's told you things, well I told them things also, I told them things were fine, I was okay. I wasn't. So you really have no idea what is going on in her life/world. Trust me though, she does know that you are not someone she could really confide in or talk to about what's really going on.
She can be as vocal as she wants, I was very vocal that I was okay! Doesn't make it so. I planned my suicide at one point. Just because she is vocal does that mean you shouldn't be compassionate? Also, why is her life such an issue for you. It's HER life it has no effect on you.
Yes you DID judge her, you judged her in this thread. You called her a victim and you've decided she does nothing but make excuses.0 -
Ok let me go a little different way....I think when you get disabilty...you can also get food stamps I THINK.....if that is the case...should the food you can get with that assistance be monitored?? I know with pregnant women who get WIC, they have to only get certain things and its all healthy such as they have to get natural cereals and nothing with sugar.....
Okay, you're just prying at that can of worms again, aren't you?
I am really not trying to....do I just need to shut the **** up???
Yes.
And this is why:
When a person gets SSDI (disability), they have to prove medically that they have a disability. They have provided medical records, been to medical or mental health professionals, sat in front of a judge, probably hired a lawyer, and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt they are disabled and cannot work. And yes, SSDI does open the door for several other programs, including SNAP, Vocational Rehabilitation HUD, etc. But people who receive SSDI have spent easily 2-3 years proving they are disabled. It is not an easy process in any way, shape, or form. So yes, you should STFU because obviously you have never worked within the system and have zero idea of what you are speaking.
Well, that puts my fears to rest, knowing that the system is foolproof, and no-one could ever possibly game the system to their advantage.
Any system can be gamed. Student Loans are gamed all the time. However, they are never really brought into question.
Umm, okay.0 -
Quote from OP in another thread...No shaming is ok and its just as bad to call someone out for being too skinny...
you have to judge a person from what is inside not outside and i know that sounds cheesy but its true. never judge a book by its cover but it might have a ratty cover and be the best damn book you have ever read!!
So which is it? Judge or don't...
im not judging by saying fat is not a disability if not accompanied by a medical issue. i have plenty of friends who are overweight...hell that was me at one time. Do I think you can use it as a crutch no.....but I dont think someone is a second hand citizen because of their weight.....
You've totally judged your coworker.
I have known this woman for 14 yrs...I know HER!! I did not judge her. She overshares everything...including every medication she is on, her social life and everything in between.
I added this part but that was after you quoted...
Whether you've worked with her for 14 years or just met her...it's clear you have no empathy for her, nor do you really know what's going on with her. A lot of times people will hide the truth for fear of being judged. Yet, you've labeled her as a victim, said the depression thing is bs (you've backed off of that statement a little) and said she uses it as an excuse. ALL of that is judging.
When I was at my darkest - NOBODY knew. Not my coworkers, not my family, not my roommates. I hid it from everyone. I know you said she's told you things, well I told them things also, I told them things were fine, I was okay. I wasn't. So you really have no idea what is going on in her life/world. Trust me though, she does know that you are not someone she could really confide in or talk to about what's really going on.
She can be as vocal as she wants, I was very vocal that I was okay! Doesn't make it so. Just because she is that means you shouldn't be compassionate? Also, why is her life such an issue for you. It's HER life it has no effect on you.
Yes you DID judge her, you judged her in this thread. You called her a victim and you've decided she does nothing but make excuses.
This is why you are my spirit animal0 -
Ok let me go a little different way....I think when you get disabilty...you can also get food stamps I THINK.....if that is the case...should the food you can get with that assistance be monitored?? I know with pregnant women who get WIC, they have to only get certain things and its all healthy such as they have to get natural cereals and nothing with sugar.....
Okay, you're just prying at that can of worms again, aren't you?
I am really not trying to....do I just need to shut the **** up???
Yes.
And this is why:
When a person gets SSDI (disability), they have to prove medically that they have a disability. They have provided medical records, been to medical or mental health professionals, sat in front of a judge, probably hired a lawyer, and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt they are disabled and cannot work. And yes, SSDI does open the door for several other programs, including SNAP, Vocational Rehabilitation HUD, etc. But people who receive SSDI have spent easily 2-3 years proving they are disabled. It is not an easy process in any way, shape, or form. So yes, you should STFU because obviously you have never worked within the system and have zero idea of what you are speaking.
Well, that puts my fears to rest, knowing that the system is foolproof, and no-one could ever possibly game the system to their advantage.
Any system can be gamed. Student Loans are gamed all the time. However, they are never really brought into question.
Can you enlighten me as to how this is done? For research purposes only lolol0 -
Quote from OP in another thread...No shaming is ok and its just as bad to call someone out for being too skinny...
you have to judge a person from what is inside not outside and i know that sounds cheesy but its true. never judge a book by its cover but it might have a ratty cover and be the best damn book you have ever read!!
So which is it? Judge or don't...
im not judging by saying fat is not a disability if not accompanied by a medical issue. i have plenty of friends who are overweight...hell that was me at one time. Do I think you can use it as a crutch no.....but I dont think someone is a second hand citizen because of their weight.....
Of course, you have thoroughly read the book of your co-worker and know that she is a fat slacker. You, of course, are not because you got it together and lost some weight.
Before that point. Before you figured it out...were you just looking for a hand-out?
Calling her a "victim" was meant as positive feedback and encouragement right? Wasn't meant to disparage her...just want to clarify.0 -
Quote from OP in another thread...No shaming is ok and its just as bad to call someone out for being too skinny...
you have to judge a person from what is inside not outside and i know that sounds cheesy but its true. never judge a book by its cover but it might have a ratty cover and be the best damn book you have ever read!!
So which is it? Judge or don't...
im not judging by saying fat is not a disability if not accompanied by a medical issue. i have plenty of friends who are overweight...hell that was me at one time. Do I think you can use it as a crutch no.....but I dont think someone is a second hand citizen because of their weight.....
You've totally judged your coworker.
I have known this woman for 14 yrs...I know HER!! I did not judge her. She overshares everything...including every medication she is on, her social life and everything in between.
I added this part but that was after you quoted...
Whether you've worked with her for 14 years or just met her...it's clear you have no empathy for her, nor do you really know what's going on with her. A lot of times people will hide the truth for fear of being judged. Yet, you've labeled her as a victim, said the depression thing is bs (you've backed off of that statement a little) and said she uses it as an excuse. ALL of that is judging.
When I was at my darkest - NOBODY knew. Not my coworkers, not my family, not my roommates. I hid it from everyone. I know you said she's told you things, well I told them things also, I told them things were fine, I was okay. I wasn't. So you really have no idea what is going on in her life/world. Trust me though, she does know that you are not someone she could really confide in or talk to about what's really going on.
She can be as vocal as she wants, I was very vocal that I was okay! Doesn't make it so. Just because she is that means you shouldn't be compassionate? Also, why is her life such an issue for you. It's HER life it has no effect on you.
Yes you DID judge her, you judged her in this thread. You called her a victim and you've decided she does nothing but make excuses.
This is why you are my spirit animal
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Ok let me go a little different way....I think when you get disabilty...you can also get food stamps I THINK.....if that is the case...should the food you can get with that assistance be monitored?? I know with pregnant women who get WIC, they have to only get certain things and its all healthy such as they have to get natural cereals and nothing with sugar.....
Okay, you're just prying at that can of worms again, aren't you?
I am really not trying to....do I just need to shut the **** up???
Yes.
And this is why:
When a person gets SSDI (disability), they have to prove medically that they have a disability. They have provided medical records, been to medical or mental health professionals, sat in front of a judge, probably hired a lawyer, and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt they are disabled and cannot work. And yes, SSDI does open the door for several other programs, including SNAP, Vocational Rehabilitation HUD, etc. But people who receive SSDI have spent easily 2-3 years proving they are disabled. It is not an easy process in any way, shape, or form. So yes, you should STFU because obviously you have never worked within the system and have zero idea of what you are speaking.
Well, that puts my fears to rest, knowing that the system is foolproof, and no-one could ever possibly game the system to their advantage.
Any system can be gamed. Student Loans are gamed all the time. However, they are never really brought into question.
Can you enlighten me as to how this is done? For research purposes only lolol
You've never known anybody who "went to school" for the six years they spent drunk?0 -
Quote from OP in another thread...No shaming is ok and its just as bad to call someone out for being too skinny...
you have to judge a person from what is inside not outside and i know that sounds cheesy but its true. never judge a book by its cover but it might have a ratty cover and be the best damn book you have ever read!!
So which is it? Judge or don't...
im not judging by saying fat is not a disability if not accompanied by a medical issue. i have plenty of friends who are overweight...hell that was me at one time. Do I think you can use it as a crutch no.....but I dont think someone is a second hand citizen because of their weight.....
You've totally judged your coworker.
I have known this woman for 14 yrs...I know HER!! I did not judge her. She overshares everything...including every medication she is on, her social life and everything in between.
And you saw fit to call her out like that in a work meeting?
I did not call her out in a meeting. My boss and I were having a conversation between the two of us that someone overheard and commented on....it was that comment that got everyone talking.....After the original comment to my boss...I never said another word....I never have or would ever call someone out in front of anyone....
Ok. You called her out like that in an open conversation in an office that everybody was listening in on?0 -
While it can lead to one, NO it is NOT! (Fat>>>>Diabetes>>>>Kidney Failure*)0
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I think some disabilities can lead to weight gain (ex: it may be hard to stay fit if you need to have frequent surgeries, etc.) .
I think being fat can lead to certain disabilities.
But I don't think being fat in and of itself is a disability, that is hurtful to people who have legitimate disabilities. Having a slow metabolism is a STRUGGLE or an annoyance, not a disability. I have a fairly slow metabolism, but I work hard to keep a healthy BMI anyway.0 -
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I'm not going to read the whole thread...it's too long. So, I'll just address the OP. First of all, the FMLA doesn't deal in disabilities only "serious health conditions" - aside from pregnancy, adoption, etc. So, I'll address this from the law that addresses disabilities, which is the Americans with Disabilities Act (As Amended).
In 2006, the Sixth Circuit Court ruled that for obesity to be covered by the ADA, it had to be caused by an underlying physical condition. However, the ADA was amended in 2009 and the American Medical Association has recently deemed obesity to be a "disease."
Since the ADA defines a disability as "a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities, a person who has a history or record of such an impairment, or a person who is perceived by others as having such an impairment." With the amended act in 2009, we are no longer able to consider mitigating factors and should view this definition in a broad sense.
With all of that said, if an employee came to my department requesting a reasonable accommodation to perform the essential functions of his/here job due to a BMI greater than 30 substantially limiting one or more of his/her major life activities - and this was supported through our fact-finding process and interaction with the physician - we would accommodate. Any company that did not would be risking a lawsuit that they would either have to settle out of court or would most likely lose in a jury trial.
Pretty much everything is considered a disability under the ADA(AA).
By the way, the EEOC considers morbid obesity to be a disability...but they have for a long time.0 -
Since the subject of scooters has come up a couple times I'm forced to ask, does it bother anyone else that the Hoveround Scooter doesn't actually hover? It has wheels. I mean it's 2014 for Christ's sake. Make the thing hover like you promised when you came up with the name.
No kidding. It's 2014 and I still have to walk?0 -
I think my post was totally misconstrued...if you remember, I was referencing FMLA....my point was should you be able to take FMLA or receive a check because of being overweight....I still stand behind my opinion. If you are clinically depressed...then depression is your medical disablility not being overweight, if you have thyroid issues, thats your medical condition not being overweight....if you have no other issue except you dont move and overeat...you have no disability and you can change your circumstances...
as for the person next to me....I have worked with them for 14 yrs and yes I know their story including the fact that they had to see someone before they got the lapband to make sure they had no clinical issues such as depression before the dr would do the surgery....
I haven't read through all the comments and don't think I will because some of them make me sick.
But I apply for FMLA annually because I have chronic migraine syndrome. FMLA is not, I repeat not easy to get approved. Your doctor has to fill out detailed forms, which btw they charge you to fill out, then you must submit them through your supervisor, who then passes it forward through HR, who then either approves or does not approve it. Not everybody gets it approved.
And if it is approved it does not guarantee a paycheck. It gives the person up to 12 weeks of unpaid time off for that medical condition as needed and can only be used for that condition. The goal of FMLA is to save your job in the case of a medical emergency.
So I could see it being approved for weight loss surgery but not simply for obesity. Maybe for some of the side effects of obesity such as severe arthritis, asthma, heart conditions, depression, etc. But I cannot imagine a doctor filling out the paper work for FMLA just because someone is obese.
That being said now that obesity is considered a disease it might change because the FMLA paperwork does require a DSM diagnosis.
And those who have never suffered from depression and say to just "get over it", I hope you never do. I've suffered from bipolar depression for years and I ate myself up to 236lbs. You don't just get over it, I was so depressed I couldn't leave my house to even go to the store. It took 18 months for my team of mental health professionals to get me able to leave the house and 2.5 years to live anything that resembled a normal life. It took 4 years for me to really start living life again. It's not that easy and you don't just get over it, I can't just tell my brain chemistry to fix itself. I don't blame others but I use a service dog and get questioned all the time because I don't have an obvious disability so think about that the next time you see someone in one of the carts in Walmart.
FMLA is extremely easy to get approved if you have anything that would qualify as a serious health condition.
That is defined as:
- any period of incapacity or treatment connected with inpatient care (i.e., an overnight stay) in a hospital, hospice, or residential medical care facility; or
- a period of incapacity requiring absence of more than three calendar days from work, school, or other regular daily activities that also involves continuing treatment by (or under the supervision of) a health care provider; or
- any period of incapacity due to pregnancy, or for prenatal care; or
- any period of incapacity (or treatment therefore) due to a chronic serious health condition (e.g., asthma, diabetes, epilepsy, etc.); or
- a period of incapacity that is permanent or long-term due to a condition for which treatment may not be effective (e.g., Alzheimer's, stroke, terminal diseases, etc.); or,
- any absences to receive multiple treatments (including any period of recovery therefrom) by, or on referral by, a health care provider for a condition that likely would result in incapacity of more than three consecutive days if left untreated (e.g., chemotherapy, physical therapy, dialysis, etc.).
Point two is the big one that covers a lot of different conditions. Continuing treatment can be a simple as prescription antibiotics. Also, not every physician charges to have the paperwork completed, and you shouldn't be giving it to your supervisor. That may violate HIPAA. The paperwork should go directly to your HR department.0 -
Imma side with you. If a person is fat because of a medical condition, then the medical condition is the disability. If a person is fat because they sit around all day, watching TV and eating blocks of cheese dipped in gravy, well they're just fat and should stop using the scooters at Wal-Mart.
OMG that is hysterical!!0 -
Back to the future really promised us so much more.Since the subject of scooters has come up a couple times I'm forced to ask, does it bother anyone else that the Hoveround Scooter doesn't actually hover? It has wheels. I mean it's 2014 for Christ's sake. Make the thing hover like you promised when you came up with the name.0 -
Ok let me go a little different way....I think when you get disabilty...you can also get food stamps I THINK.....if that is the case...should the food you can get with that assistance be monitored?? I know with pregnant women who get WIC, they have to only get certain things and its all healthy such as they have to get natural cereals and nothing with sugar.....
Okay, you're just prying at that can of worms again, aren't you?
I am really not trying to....do I just need to shut the **** up???
Yes.
And this is why:
When a person gets SSDI (disability), they have to prove medically that they have a disability. They have provided medical records, been to medical or mental health professionals, sat in front of a judge, probably hired a lawyer, and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt they are disabled and cannot work. And yes, SSDI does open the door for several other programs, including SNAP, Vocational Rehabilitation HUD, etc. But people who receive SSDI have spent easily 2-3 years proving they are disabled. It is not an easy process in any way, shape, or form. So yes, you should STFU because obviously you have never worked within the system and have zero idea of what you are speaking.
Well, that puts my fears to rest, knowing that the system is foolproof, and no-one could ever possibly game the system to their advantage.
Any system can be gamed. Student Loans are gamed all the time. However, they are never really brought into question.
If someone has gamed the SSDI system, they have gotten doctors to act illegally. No system is foolproof, and I don't think anyone expects it would be. But I work every day with people with SSDI, I send them records on a regular basis, and know that it is not an easy system to "game" and although imperfect, there are many checks and balances. Someone who could get through everything SSDI asks a person to do is a true con artist and should consider using their powers for good instead of evil.0 -
Since the subject of scooters has come up a couple times I'm forced to ask, does it bother anyone else that the Hoveround Scooter doesn't actually hover? It has wheels. I mean it's 2014 for Christ's sake. Make the thing hover like you promised when you came up with the name.
No kidding. It's 2014 and I still have to walk?
There were signs in Ireland at the Cliffs of Moher that showed people levitating, I never was able to do it though...haha.
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I am a firm believer in NOT judging other people. My sister is 44. She is Obese. She uses the scooters at walmart and inconsiderate jerks have made comments to her about it. What they dont see, is that she has sever osteoporosis. If she coughs too hard she breaks a rib. If she walks much she can break a hip and has been told by her DR to use those scooters or stay home. She also has fibromyalgia, neuropathy in her feet from diabetes type 2... interstitial cystitis, MS, severe arthritis, stenosis in her spine... her being Obese is a side effect of all her health problems that don't let her do much. but when she is seen in a scooter at walmart, all you can see is an obese person in a scooter.. her other health probs don't show...so, like i said... i don't judge anyone0
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Quote from OP in another thread...No shaming is ok and its just as bad to call someone out for being too skinny...
you have to judge a person from what is inside not outside and i know that sounds cheesy but its true. never judge a book by its cover but it might have a ratty cover and be the best damn book you have ever read!!
So which is it? Judge or don't...
im not judging by saying fat is not a disability if not accompanied by a medical issue. i have plenty of friends who are overweight...hell that was me at one time. Do I think you can use it as a crutch no.....but I dont think someone is a second hand citizen because of their weight.....
You've totally judged your coworker.
I have known this woman for 14 yrs...I know HER!! I did not judge her. She overshares everything...including every medication she is on, her social life and everything in between.
And you saw fit to call her out like that in a work meeting?
That seems really professional...
And using "victim" in quotations doesn't seem condescending at all0 -
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I considered using a scooter once. It was very hot, I was very fat. I felt like I literally might faint, but I had to do the shopping.
If I'd fainted, I suppose I could have sued the store?
I don't think the vast majority of people (especially obese people) will use one unless they really have no choice. The stigma is just too great. Our society is cruel.0 -
Quote from OP in another thread...No shaming is ok and its just as bad to call someone out for being too skinny...
you have to judge a person from what is inside not outside and i know that sounds cheesy but its true. never judge a book by its cover but it might have a ratty cover and be the best damn book you have ever read!!
So which is it? Judge or don't...
im not judging by saying fat is not a disability if not accompanied by a medical issue. i have plenty of friends who are overweight...hell that was me at one time. Do I think you can use it as a crutch no.....but I dont think someone is a second hand citizen because of their weight.....
Of course, you have thoroughly read the book of your co-worker and know that she is a fat slacker. You, of course, are not because you got it together and lost some weight.
Before that point. Before you figured it out...were you just looking for a hand-out?
Still awaiting an answer on this I see...
OP we all have flaws. We all make excuses for things (whether people want to admit it or not). We all have good and bad things about ourselves.
If you were to try to put yourself in someone else's shoes, such as your coworker, and think about how it must feel to be judged by someone you see every single day. Lots of people put on facades, good and bad.
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oh man, I wish I could have this in slow motion
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Im sorry I may sound heartless in saying this but i see those tv show commercials for the "my 400lb life" and i have no sympathy for them at all. If you were at one point in your life 120 pounds and athletic it was a personal decision to let yourself go to the point of extreme and its human nature to either do something about it or make excuses for it.0
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Ok let me go a little different way....I think when you get disabilty...you can also get food stamps I THINK.....if that is the case...should the food you can get with that assistance be monitored?? I know with pregnant women who get WIC, they have to only get certain things and its all healthy such as they have to get natural cereals and nothing with sugar.....
Okay, you're just prying at that can of worms again, aren't you?
I am really not trying to....do I just need to shut the **** up???
Yes.
And this is why:
When a person gets SSDI (disability), they have to prove medically that they have a disability. They have provided medical records, been to medical or mental health professionals, sat in front of a judge, probably hired a lawyer, and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt they are disabled and cannot work. And yes, SSDI does open the door for several other programs, including SNAP, Vocational Rehabilitation HUD, etc. But people who receive SSDI have spent easily 2-3 years proving they are disabled. It is not an easy process in any way, shape, or form. So yes, you should STFU because obviously you have never worked within the system and have zero idea of what you are speaking.
Well, that puts my fears to rest, knowing that the system is foolproof, and no-one could ever possibly game the system to their advantage.
Any system can be gamed. Student Loans are gamed all the time. However, they are never really brought into question.
Can you enlighten me as to how this is done? For research purposes only lolol
You've never known anybody who "went to school" for the six years they spent drunk?
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Im sorry I may sound heartless in saying this but i see those tv show commercials for the "my 400lb life" and i have no sympathy for them at all. If you were at one point in your life 120 pounds and athletic it was a personal decision to let yourself go to the point of extreme and its human nature to either do something about it or make excuses for it.
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