Is being fat a disability??
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Few things sincerely bug me more than seeing a morbidly obese person using the electric carts meant for the disabled and elderly at the store. Like, really??? So, to answer your question, no, being fat is not a disability. You can't get SS for that anyway. Can you get it for the Beetus? I don't even know...0
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But you did doubt my conviction on what I would do should the situation arise. That's your opinion, based on zero knowledge of me, which is why I said it is irrelevant (I should have added, "to me"). As for selfish, what is selfish about not wanting to burden my family with tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills? What is selfish about not wanting my kids around a hospital bed while their father is coughing up blood and dying? It's not that I'm ready to punch my ticket; it's that I want my family to be able to get on with their lives as soon as possible, with as little burden and/or trauma when that time comes. If that's selfish, then I guess I'm a selfish *kitten*.
Suicide is pretty traumatic on a family.
Speaking as someone who's father put a bullet into his head when I was still in my early 20's, I find it asinine that someone would compare dying from cancer to suicide in this manner.
I don't think avoiding treatment is suicide, either. It's why I strongly believe in voluntary euthanasia. A terminally ill person should absolutely be able to set the terms for his or her death. And the trauma on the family is likely going to be very different as there are no "why" questions and internal blame for family members. IMO, of course.
The funny thing is, I never said anything about avoiding treatment, even though it seems that many are believing that to be the case. Should I develop lung cancer in the future, you better believe I'll seek treatment....like I said, I'm not ready to punch my ticket. However, in the immortal words of Mr. Clint Eastwood, "A man's got to know his limitations."0 -
Ok let me go a little different way....I think when you get disabilty...you can also get food stamps I THINK.....if that is the case...should the food you can get with that assistance be monitored?? I know with pregnant women who get WIC, they have to only get certain things and its all healthy such as they have to get natural cereals and nothing with sugar.....0
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But you did doubt my conviction on what I would do should the situation arise. That's your opinion, based on zero knowledge of me, which is why I said it is irrelevant (I should have added, "to me"). As for selfish, what is selfish about not wanting to burden my family with tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills? What is selfish about not wanting my kids around a hospital bed while their father is coughing up blood and dying? It's not that I'm ready to punch my ticket; it's that I want my family to be able to get on with their lives as soon as possible, with as little burden and/or trauma when that time comes. If that's selfish, then I guess I'm a selfish *kitten*.
Suicide is pretty traumatic on a family.
Speaking as someone who's father put a bullet into his head when I was still in my early 20's, I find it asinine that someone would compare dying from cancer to suicide in this manner.
I don't think avoiding treatment is suicide, either. It's why I strongly believe in voluntary euthanasia. A terminally ill person should absolutely be able to set the terms for his or her death. And the trauma on the family is likely going to be very different as there are no "why" questions and internal blame for family members. IMO, of course.
The funny thing is, I never said anything about avoiding treatment, even though it seems that many are believing that to be the case. Should I develop lung cancer in the future, you better believe I'll seek treatment....like I said, I'm not ready to punch my ticket. However, in the immortal words of Mr. Clint Eastwood, "A man's got to know his limitations."
I should have been more clear - avoiding or ceasing treatment would have explained my opinion better.0 -
dis·a·bil·i·ty
/ˌdisəˈbilitē/
noun
noun: disability; plural noun: disabilities
a physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities.
Being FAT does not limit movemt or activities. However, being OBESE or MORBIDLY OBESE does.
Therefore, depending on how you use the term "fat", it can be considred a disability. It doesn't matter if you can do something about it or not, in that state, it is a disability. The only difference is you can easily fix this disability, compared to other disabilities.
ETA: I will argue that being obese is indeed a disability. Have you ever seen an obese person walk, clap their hands, or tie ther shoelaces? It's nto exatly easy for them. You would go so far to say that their movement is limited, not unlike a disability.
Being fat is not a disability. That being said, most people are only considered fat by society when, in fact, they are actually obese.
I am considered morbidly obese and I would be effing mad if someone called me disabled. I got fat because I got lazy and ate garbage. I can still walk/jog 5-8 miles a day, tie my shoes and clap my hands. Disability my *ss!
Just because someone CHOOSES not to or even try does NOT make them disabled.0 -
Few things sincerely bug me more than seeing a morbidly obese person using the electric carts meant for the disabled and elderly at the store. Like, really??? So, to answer your question, no, being fat is not a disability. You can't get SS for that anyway. Can you get it for the Beetus? I don't even know...
What if they were a morbidly obese person who just happened to have foot surgery earlier in the week?
When I had three plantar warts removed, I could barely walk.
What if they have debilitating arthritis and the constant pain and lack of mobility leads to behaviors that made them become fat?0 -
Judgment will always be judgment.
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Ok let me go a little different way....I think when you get disabilty...you can also get food stamps I THINK.....if that is the case...should the food you can get with that assistance be monitored?? I know with pregnant women who get WIC, they have to only get certain things and its all healthy such as they have to get natural cereals and nothing with sugar.....
Here you go. http://bit.ly/1r3uLU40 -
Ok let me go a little different way....I think when you get disabilty...you can also get food stamps I THINK.....if that is the case...should the food you can get with that assistance be monitored?? I know with pregnant women who get WIC, they have to only get certain things and its all healthy such as they have to get natural cereals and nothing with sugar.....
Okay, you're just prying at that can of worms again, aren't you?0 -
I would however agree that depression is not an acceptable excuse for obesity.
Someone should smack you for this statement.
That's like saying that someone who has post-traumatic stress disorder is not an acceptable excuse for anxiety.
Or saying that ADHD is not an acceptable excuse to do poorly in school and that person is perfectly capable to keep control over it without any help at all.
You people make me sick. It's no wonder there are so many mentally unstable people slipping through the system and going on wild shooting rampages. It's because everyone else is going "oh, they're fine. they should ust snap out of it and behave like a "normal" human being."
FFS.
1+ lets slap that person together.
People and there close minded views.
I admit. I made this statement. I did not fully expound on it because I was focused on the other issue in that post. I wrote like 3 long paragraphs about the topic and closed with the one sentence, and that is what you chose to rail at. My bad.
What I mean is that depression, while debilitating for some, is not directly related to obesity, as the case with thyroid conditions, and therefore, should not be considered as a contributing factor towards determining the eligibility for disability. If the person is depressed and also addressing mobility issues, then I would consider these two separate, unrelated disabilities. But to simply say "I binge eat when I'm feeling down and now I am obese" is not an acceptable rationale when determining eligibility for disability.
Surely, it can be concluded from this thread that obesity should be considered a disability on a case-by-case basis. Which I do believe is exactly how it is handled so this thread is basically pointless.
Actually, eating disorders are parity conditions in the DSM-V which may make having one a disability. I know that when I was in treatment for mine, the HR department told my boss and project managers that they had to make reasonable accomodations so I could go to my program. That sounds a lot like ADA speak to me.0 -
Ok let me go a little different way....I think when you get disabilty...you can also get food stamps I THINK.....if that is the case...should the food you can get with that assistance be monitored?? I know with pregnant women who get WIC, they have to only get certain things and its all healthy such as they have to get natural cereals and nothing with sugar.....
You can get frosted mini-wheats.
But, for god's sake, what a judgy list:
http://dph.georgia.gov/sites/dph.georgia.gov/files Georgia%20WIC%20Approved%20Foods%20List%20English%2012-1-2013.pdf
No. There are no restrictions for food stamps.0 -
Few things sincerely bug me more than seeing a morbidly obese person using the electric carts meant for the disabled and elderly at the store. Like, really??? So, to answer your question, no, being fat is not a disability. You can't get SS for that anyway. Can you get it for the Beetus? I don't even know...
What if they were a morbidly obese person who just happened to have foot surgery earlier in the week?
When I had three plantar warts removed, I could barely walk.
What if they have debilitating arthritis and the constant pain and lack of mobility leads to behaviors that made them become fat?
Seriously. Sometimes I can't walk very well, or talk at all due to my brain condition. I don't even have the courage to leave my house because of jerks like the OP and the above for fear of judgement. That's such **** when you really think about it.0 -
Ok let me go a little different way....I think when you get disabilty...you can also get food stamps I THINK.....if that is the case...should the food you can get with that assistance be monitored?? I know with pregnant women who get WIC, they have to only get certain things and its all healthy such as they have to get natural cereals and nothing with sugar.....
Okay, you're just prying at that can of worms again, aren't you?
I am really not trying to....do I just need to shut the **** up???0 -
I don't think it should be a disability but I wouldn't assume anything about anyone ! I used to do that but as i got older I seen how stupid i was for assuming things about people .0
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Few things sincerely bug me more than seeing a morbidly obese person using the electric carts meant for the disabled and elderly at the store. Like, really??? So, to answer your question, no, being fat is not a disability. You can't get SS for that anyway. Can you get it for the Beetus? I don't even know...
What if they were a morbidly obese person who just happened to have foot surgery earlier in the week?
When I had three plantar warts removed, I could barely walk.
What if they have debilitating arthritis and the constant pain and lack of mobility leads to behaviors that made them become fat?
Seriously. Sometimes I can't walk very well, or talk at all due to my brain condition. I don't even have the courage to leave my house because of jerks like the OP and the above for fear of judgement. That's such **** when you really think about it.
Just remember that 80% of the people on here aren't like that.0 -
Thank you for sharing! Your post is the only one I've read that is based in reality. I have never been morbidly obese but I have always been a "bigger girl" and there is nothing wrong with a shift in society, supporting differing body types and encouraging men and women to be confident and secure with their bodies. I am extremely healthy! I eat whole natural foods, work out regularly, ride my bike and play softball and tennis. My doctor comments on the fact that I have amazing blood pressure and cholesterol.
Regardless of the way someone became morbidly obese, once they can no longer move around their home and complete daily living functions independently, THEY HAVE A DISABILITY!!!
Her comment about the carts at Walmart is ridiculous! Who are you to judge who's disability is worse than another's or who is more deserving of assistance? Ugh!0 -
Ok let me go a little different way....I think when you get disabilty...you can also get food stamps I THINK.....if that is the case...should the food you can get with that assistance be monitored?? I know with pregnant women who get WIC, they have to only get certain things and its all healthy such as they have to get natural cereals and nothing with sugar.....
If people who get foodstamps were required to get healthy food only, they would either starve to death or healthy food would have to be heavily subsidized (like unhealthy foods are now) or food stamps per person would have to about triple.
Any of these sounds like a fine idea to me except the first one. Starving people have a disconcerting tendency to riot.0 -
To the man judging his "lazy" neighbor, how about you? You know her so well, why not try including her? Does it make you folks feel good about yourselves to speak about others with such righteous overtones? Grow up already.
I include her as little as possible. I tolerate her because my wife doesn't have as big of an issue with her as I do. As I stated before, being fat and lazy is only one of her problems....she is a sack of s**t. She games the welfare system, she was/is a s**ty mother (two of her three kids are in prison). She's had numerous dogs taken away because she'll just open her front door to let them do their business, and some people have been bitten (not to mention she leaves the dog crap all over the place). I could go on and on. Why? Because I know this woman. I'm not generalizing about everyone, I'm speaking of one person that I know.
As for growing up, do you know me, or this woman? Nice to meet you, kettle.
You are judging by what you see, You don't really know this person do you. You would be surprised what is really going on to her.
You know what, you're right. I should totally disregard the years of being around this lady, all the evidence I have observed, all the times her actions have justified my view in her. I should listen to a random stranger on the Internet who has never met me or this woman and believe that it just isn't possible for some people in this world to be rotten to the core.0 -
If being fat is a disability, why not give all fat people handicap stickers on their cars so they don't have to walk as far? Give them all tax-payer funded disability checks and wheelchairs and stair lifts in their houses so they don't have to move as much?
People think that their poor health choices make them deserve pity and special treatment from everyone else. The term disability is being used too loosely and it's insulting to people with legitimate disabilities. Why should all the scooters in grocery stores and all the handicap parking spaces be taken by someone who could use the little bit of extra exercise, when an 85 year old war vet or someone with an illness/disorder (cancer, CF, CP, etc.) needs it more? Come on people, have some responsibility for yourself and your choices.
(I'm talking about BEING fat, as in choosing to scoop up your half gallon of ice cream with twinkies while watching entire seasons of tv shows on netflix in one sitting fat. NOT fat as a side effect of another REAL disability.)
You sound like you're a bit of *kitten*.
I just spit out my water.0 -
Ok let me go a little different way....I think when you get disabilty...you can also get food stamps I THINK.....if that is the case...should the food you can get with that assistance be monitored?? I know with pregnant women who get WIC, they have to only get certain things and its all healthy such as they have to get natural cereals and nothing with sugar.....
Okay, you're just prying at that can of worms again, aren't you?
I am really not trying to....do I just need to shut the **** up???
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Ok let me go a little different way....I think when you get disabilty...you can also get food stamps I THINK.....if that is the case...should the food you can get with that assistance be monitored?? I know with pregnant women who get WIC, they have to only get certain things and its all healthy such as they have to get natural cereals and nothing with sugar.....
Okay, you're just prying at that can of worms again, aren't you?
I am really not trying to....do I just need to shut the **** up???
It seems to be in your best interest...0 -
I would however agree that depression is not an acceptable excuse for obesity.
Someone should smack you for this statement.
That's like saying that someone who has post-traumatic stress disorder is not an acceptable excuse for anxiety.
Or saying that ADHD is not an acceptable excuse to do poorly in school and that person is perfectly capable to keep control over it without any help at all.
You people make me sick. It's no wonder there are so many mentally unstable people slipping through the system and going on wild shooting rampages. It's because everyone else is going "oh, they're fine. they should ust snap out of it and behave like a "normal" human being."
FFS.
1+ lets slap that person together.
People and there close minded views.
I admit. I made this statement. I did not fully expound on it because I was focused on the other issue in that post. I wrote like 3 long paragraphs about the topic and closed with the one sentence, and that is what you chose to rail at. My bad.
What I mean is that depression, while debilitating for some, is not directly related to obesity, as the case with thyroid conditions, and therefore, should not be considered as a contributing factor towards determining the eligibility for disability. If the person is depressed and also addressing mobility issues, then I would consider these two separate, unrelated disabilities. But to simply say "I binge eat when I'm feeling down and now I am obese" is not an acceptable rationale when determining eligibility for disability.
Surely, it can be concluded from this thread that obesity should be considered a disability on a case-by-case basis. Which I do believe is exactly how it is handled so this thread is basically pointless.
Actually, eating disorders are parity conditions in the DSM-V which may make having one a disability. I know that when I was in treatment for mine, the HR department told my boss and project managers that they had to make reasonable accomodations so I could go to my program. That sounds a lot like ADA speak to me.
Well a clinical diagnosis would need to be required. Any number of people on this site decry having an eating disorder, but never once saw a doctor about it.0 -
I do not see it as being a disability. Yes there are medical conditions that can cause you to gain weight, but those are side affects to the medical condition. In my opinion, the root issue has to directly be causing the disability and is chronic in nature where it can not be corrected.
By definition,
Disability is a physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities.
Debilitating (of a disease or condition) making someone very weak and infirm. "debilitating back pain"
So is being fat or obese a disability? In my opinion no. But it can be debilitating.0 -
At 560 lbs. and being home bound for over 2 years and unable to walk from one room to other without sitting on a rolling computer chair to get to the bathroom and kitchen and at my lowest point sitting in a chair with a loaded handgun in my mouth with the hammer back begging and pleading (but no one was in the room cause I was all alone) to give me the strength to end my pain I can honestly say being fat is debilitating, certainly it is all about choice at any point before I got into that state I was a contributing member of society and paid my taxes so when I was at my lowest no matter how I got there, I needed assistance to help get me out so when I finally had enough and wanted that help, I am Damn sure glad the people on the other end were more sympathetic to my position than the mind set you have (not knocking you in particular just people in general that think this way).
I had over 300 pounds to lose, was willing to give in to the process, but needed the help to get there. So my insurance backed me up and got me the things needed to atleast attempt to dig myself out of the hole that I put myself in.. Medical doctors to address my health issues, mental therapist to address my depression and eating disorders, physical therapy to help be exercise to build up my strength to be able to walk again and continue to improve my strength, a dietician to show me what I had been doing and to point me in the right direction to regain my relationship with all foods, etc, etc this list goes on and on. Had I not been afforded those things based on the diagnosis of being disabled at that time I would not have been offered the help and more than likely at the rate I was going would have been dead by now, either by my own hand or do to complication due to my severe morbid obesity. Sometimes it isn't as easy as just calling Bullcrap and saying suck it up buttercup, I am living proof if given the assistance when I was disabled that one can totally change there lives and become productive members of society again and in my opinion that is what it was intended for in the first place not a means to go on and live out your days on it..... Just my 2 cents...
Thank you for sharing! Your post is the only one I've read that is based in reality. I have never been morbidly obese but I have always been a "bigger girl" and there is nothing wrong with a shift in society, supporting differing body types and encouraging men and women to be confident and secure with their bodies. I am extremely healthy! I eat whole natural foods, work out regularly, ride my bike and play softball and tennis. My doctor comments on the fact that I have amazing blood pressure and cholesterol.
Regardless of the way someone became morbidly obese, once they can no longer move around their home and complete daily living functions independently, THEY HAVE A DISABILITY!!!
Her comment about the carts at Walmart is ridiculous! Who are you to judge who's disability is worse than another's or who is more deserving of assistance? Ugh!0 -
Ok let me go a little different way....I think when you get disabilty...you can also get food stamps I THINK.....if that is the case...should the food you can get with that assistance be monitored?? I know with pregnant women who get WIC, they have to only get certain things and its all healthy such as they have to get natural cereals and nothing with sugar.....
Okay, you're just prying at that can of worms again, aren't you?
I am really not trying to....do I just need to shut the **** up???
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I think that in very extreme cases that being fat can cause disability.
But being fat in itself is not a disabilty.
I agree with this. It sums my feelings up nicely, too. However, I don't think it's just "very extreme" cases.0 -
But you did doubt my conviction on what I would do should the situation arise. That's your opinion, based on zero knowledge of me, which is why I said it is irrelevant (I should have added, "to me"). As for selfish, what is selfish about not wanting to burden my family with tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills? What is selfish about not wanting my kids around a hospital bed while their father is coughing up blood and dying? It's not that I'm ready to punch my ticket; it's that I want my family to be able to get on with their lives as soon as possible, with as little burden and/or trauma when that time comes. If that's selfish, then I guess I'm a selfish *kitten*.
Suicide is pretty traumatic on a family.
Speaking as someone who's father put a bullet into his head when I was still in my early 20's, I find it asinine that someone would compare dying from cancer to suicide in this manner.
I don't think avoiding treatment is suicide, either. It's why I strongly believe in voluntary euthanasia. A terminally ill person should absolutely be able to set the terms for his or her death. And the trauma on the family is likely going to be very different as there are no "why" questions and internal blame for family members. IMO, of course.
The funny thing is, I never said anything about avoiding treatment, even though it seems that many are believing that to be the case. Should I develop lung cancer in the future, you better believe I'll seek treatment....like I said, I'm not ready to punch my ticket. However, in the immortal words of Mr. Clint Eastwood, "A man's got to know his limitations."
I should have been more clear - avoiding or ceasing treatment would have explained my opinion better.
Yes, thank you. I would be in the ceasing treatment camp when it was clear to me that continuing would do more harm than good.0 -
If being fat is a disability, why not give all fat people handicap stickers on their cars so they don't have to walk as far? Give them all tax-payer funded disability checks and wheelchairs and stair lifts in their houses so they don't have to move as much?
People think that their poor health choices make them deserve pity and special treatment from everyone else. The term disability is being used too loosely and it's insulting to people with legitimate disabilities. Why should all the scooters in grocery stores and all the handicap parking spaces be taken by someone who could use the little bit of extra exercise, when an 85 year old war vet or someone with an illness/disorder (cancer, CF, CP, etc.) needs it more? Come on people, have some responsibility for yourself and your choices.
(I'm talking about BEING fat, as in choosing to scoop up your half gallon of ice cream with twinkies while watching entire seasons of tv shows on netflix in one sitting fat. NOT fat as a side effect of another REAL disability.)
You sound like you're a bit of *kitten*.
HEY! I THOUGHT YOUR WERE A FEMINIST! Either way, I agree with you on this one. :laugh:
A questionable word choice for sure. No regrets though
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If being fat is a disability, why not give all fat people handicap stickers on their cars so they don't have to walk as far? Give them all tax-payer funded disability checks and wheelchairs and stair lifts in their houses so they don't have to move as much?
People think that their poor health choices make them deserve pity and special treatment from everyone else. The term disability is being used too loosely and it's insulting to people with legitimate disabilities. Why should all the scooters in grocery stores and all the handicap parking spaces be taken by someone who could use the little bit of extra exercise, when an 85 year old war vet or someone with an illness/disorder (cancer, CF, CP, etc.) needs it more? Come on people, have some responsibility for yourself and your choices.
(I'm talking about BEING fat, as in choosing to scoop up your half gallon of ice cream with twinkies while watching entire seasons of tv shows on netflix in one sitting fat. NOT fat as a side effect of another REAL disability.)
You sound like you're a bit of *kitten*.
I just spit out my water.
Remember to unlog it from your food diary. 0 -
I'm overweight. I'm relatively active but still, I'm overweight. I play softball a couple nights a week, I golf most weekends, hit the driving range at least one night a week, ran a half marathon a few years back, and I have 10-12 5K's under my belt. The fact that I'm overweight is due to a lot of factors. I do have a severely underactive thyroid (275 mcg per day of synthroid) and I am a Type 1 diabetic that was diagnosed in my early 30's (runs in both sides of the family). Part of the joy of having both issues is that my endocrine system is pretty much screwed, meaning I deal with low testosterone levels, too. All of it adds up to being overweight.
However, the main reason I am overweight is that I have never cleaned up my eating habits and I've never gotten into the habit of working out every day. I have talked about it countless times and may have good intentions, but I still eat like crap too often and make excuses instead of trips to the gym. Using thyroid disease, low T, diabetes, etc, is a crutch. It gives a person built in excuses to lay around treating themselves like **** and feeling sorry for themselves. I've never been an excuse maker. I know I'm responsible for my current weight. My problem is motivation and I'm working on that as we speak. I get VERY annoyed at overweight people who have a list of built in excuses that think I agree with them just because I, too, am obese.
Want to feel better and have more stamina? Get off your *kitten* and start walking every day. Do some strength training. Want to lose weight? Put down the pop tarts and eat an apple. Stop reaching for excuses and start reaching for a jump rope.
No, being overweight is NOT a disability!0
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