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wonder if OP will come back
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Me too.wonder if OP will come back
Hope she gets help with **whatever** she was trying to do.0 -
I've asked a lot of questions, if that's what you mean by blindly arguing?MinMIn97 - Are you actually going to review the links provided in this thread? Or do you just like to blindly argue?
People are providing legit reasons, studies, and logic (to sum it up).
You have provided what evidence or sound argument in regards to cleanses being legit? Nothing. All you've done is nitpick at wording and created loopholes where there are none. (Or as Sidesteel said..you are grasping at straws..imaginary ones at that).
It's hard to discuss something that is ambiguous, since OP is not here to specify what she means.0 -
Actually, I am wanting the OP to define what she means by cleanse. Every time it's been used in here, I wonder what people mean by cleanse.
Nope I don't use the word "cleanse". That's what you're using. And if there are no inherent health problems with an individual, then yes the system should work efficiently at 100%.So the body has systems that "remove waste (is that your term for "cleanse?"), and these systems always work at 100% efficiency? And your cleanse is to eat "more nutritionally dense food and fiber?" What if that person has constipation and IBS? What should they do in your opinion? Their colon is compromised, and is all that food/fiber going to help?
If there are issues like you've mentioned, then seeing a SPECIALIST who deals in them is what I would suggest. Not going on some "detox and cleanse" program since eating food/drink hasn't been shown scientifically to remove any toxins or cleanse any "dirty" chemicals from the body.
You're reaching here. You want to convince the OP, then try by substantiating by providing peer reviewed clinical study showing that going on a "detox or cleanse" actually supports it's claims. You aren't going to convince me or others who are well versed in how body physiology actually works.
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You are safe in saying "And if there are no inherent health problems with an individual, then yes the system should work efficiently at 100%." But who's to say that OP is experiencing that kind of health? If she were participating in the thread, it would be easier answer HER question from our own perspectives and experiences.
So you are an knowledgeable on the topic of cleanses/detoxification? You are the person for me to ask this, as you understand that the body does have those processes. Do you think those processes can be interruped/not run efficiently?
The point is that if OP does have legit health issues, she needs to see her doctor and follow his/her instructions-- not go looking for a "cleanse" that may do more harm than good on an internet forum. And if she doesn't have said health issue then her body is effectively cleansing itself. So either way, asking for a cleanse here isn't the way to go.0 -
Once a week I "cleanse". I am on a doctor prescribed high potency iron supplement that causes mild constipation. I have 2 days in a row that I don't take it and I eat extra almonds and my body cleanses itself.
Yes, on occasion you have to make adjustments to let the body do what it is designed to do. Fancy and expensive detoxes and cleanses do nothing except separate fools from their gold. Unless you have a specific medical issue, trust your body. The systems that are present in the human body do a wonderful job all by themselves and these stupid cleanses do nothing to help it along and can, at times, interfere with the proper workings.
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The only product that will actually do any cleansing:
Disclaimers:
With the exception of dialysis for those who have compromised kidneys.
Using an enema too frequently can result in decreased bowel efficiency.0 -
I've asked a lot of questions, if that's what you mean by blindly arguing?MinMIn97 - Are you actually going to review the links provided in this thread? Or do you just like to blindly argue?
People are providing legit reasons, studies, and logic (to sum it up).
You have provided what evidence or sound argument in regards to cleanses being legit? Nothing. All you've done is nitpick at wording and created loopholes where there are none. (Or as Sidesteel said..you are grasping at straws..imaginary ones at that).
It's hard to discuss something that is ambiguous, since OP is not here to specify what she means.
So instead of waiting for the OP to clarify her needs (which a few people have pointed out if she is having medical issues, she should see a doctor otherwise a cleanse is just a waste of money), you've decided to hijack the thread by trying to clarify something that even you don't know needs clarifying?0 -
No.
So if you go to the dr, they will heal you and you won't have a problem anymore?
So the body has systems that "remove waste (is that your term for "cleanse?"), and these systems always work at 100% efficiency? And your cleanse is to eat "more nutritionally dense food and fiber?" What if that person has constipation and IBS? What should they do in your opinion? Their colon is compromised, and is all that food/fiber going to help?
The body removes waste that's uneeded. It's systematic at that, just like it attacks bacteria and viruses that invade it. Can you help it along? Sure, but one doesn't NEED to "detox or cleanse" to do it. Eating more nutritionally dense food and fiber is a great approach without having to spend extra money.
What is the body cleansing? How do you know, comprehensively, what makes a person feel down and low?
Because it's very very efficient at ridding itself of unwanted waste on it's own. When people feel down, low, "yucky", etc., it's usually because they are just LACKING nutrients. Add them and/or increase them and VOILA!
Why doesn't your body need to detox or cleanse?There's no need to detox or cleanse your system and you also do not need to give your organs "a break".
Please see here:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1159755-looking-for-a-detox-cleanse
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Comprehensively, people who state they are down and low basically come out and just say it. I guess I'll just take their word for it.
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No, but a commercial "cleanse" isn't going to help, either (well, the fiber in a lot of them, plus increased fluid intake, might help the constipation, but you can do that, again, by eating foods rich in fiber and drinking water). If someone has/suspects they have IBS or some other actual gastrointestinal disorder, they should see their doctor and discuss diagnosis and treatment options. Those sometimes involve special diets or avoiding certain foods, but that's not a cleanse, that's medical treatment, for people with an actual disorder.
I can't quite follow the point you are trying to make in the context of what everyone else is talking about. Do you believe that everyone, regardless of specific health or medical issue, needs an occasional specifically designed often overpriced cleansing solution to remove toxins and restore their body to optimal health?
She does not say you need to buy anything,"overpriced cleansing solution". Time to learn to read between the lines.
To do cleansing you don't need to buy a thing from anybody.
And often if you go to doctor they don't do anything other than diagnose you then say "You are diagnosed, but we don't have any advice for you".0 -
Anyone know of any easy cleanses that actually work?
Eat Fiber, Drink Water. Your butt does the rest... You're welcome.0 -
Well this took a fascinating turn. :laugh:
If I was the op I wouldn't come back. She has her answers and doesn't need to be subjected to random strawman arguments from someone who isn't even bring helpful in the thread.0 -
My answers don't change. There is no "detoxifying" or "cleansing" going on by the body. "Waste elimination" happens with things like fiber that cannot be digested.
Actually, I am wanting the OP to define what she means by cleanse. Every time it's been used in here, I wonder what people mean by cleanse.
Nope I don't use the word "cleanse". That's what you're using. And if there are no inherent health problems with an individual, then yes the system should work efficiently at 100%.So the body has systems that "remove waste (is that your term for "cleanse?"), and these systems always work at 100% efficiency? And your cleanse is to eat "more nutritionally dense food and fiber?" What if that person has constipation and IBS? What should they do in your opinion? Their colon is compromised, and is all that food/fiber going to help?
If there are issues like you've mentioned, then seeing a SPECIALIST who deals in them is what I would suggest. Not going on some "detox and cleanse" program since eating food/drink hasn't been shown scientifically to remove any toxins or cleanse any "dirty" chemicals from the body.
You're reaching here. You want to convince the OP, then try by substantiating by providing peer reviewed clinical study showing that going on a "detox or cleanse" actually supports it's claims. You aren't going to convince me or others who are well versed in how body physiology actually works.
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You are safe in saying "And if there are no inherent health problems with an individual, then yes the system should work efficiently at 100%." But who's to say that OP is experiencing that kind of health? If she were participating in the thread, it would be easier answer HER question from our own perspectives and experiences.
So you are an knowledgeable on the topic of cleanses/detoxification? You are the person for me to ask this, as you understand that the body does have those processes. Do you think those processes can be interruped/not run efficiently?
Can they be interrupted? I'm sure if someone tried to swallow a softball it could. Or if you ate a bag of prunes the results would be pretty awful, but again that's in response to diarrhea effect due the natural laxative in them.
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So your body always works at 100% efficiency and always does this job perfectly?
Why doesn't your body need to detox or cleanse?There's no need to detox or cleanse your system and you also do not need to give your organs "a break".
Please see here:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1159755-looking-for-a-detox-cleanse
I'm not saying this to dodge your question, but please read the above link. There really is no need to cleanse, your body is designed to do this for you.
As long as you don't have some kind of physical reason preventing this (like gallbladder disease, for example) then, yeah.0 -
So "we don't need to cleanse, the body cleanses itself" and yet, you say, "there is no detoxifying or cleansing going on in the body?"
My answers don't change. There is no "detoxifying" or "cleansing" going on by the body. "Waste elimination" happens with things like fiber that cannot be digested.
Actually, I am wanting the OP to define what she means by cleanse. Every time it's been used in here, I wonder what people mean by cleanse.
Nope I don't use the word "cleanse". That's what you're using. And if there are no inherent health problems with an individual, then yes the system should work efficiently at 100%.So the body has systems that "remove waste (is that your term for "cleanse?"), and these systems always work at 100% efficiency? And your cleanse is to eat "more nutritionally dense food and fiber?" What if that person has constipation and IBS? What should they do in your opinion? Their colon is compromised, and is all that food/fiber going to help?
If there are issues like you've mentioned, then seeing a SPECIALIST who deals in them is what I would suggest. Not going on some "detox and cleanse" program since eating food/drink hasn't been shown scientifically to remove any toxins or cleanse any "dirty" chemicals from the body.
You're reaching here. You want to convince the OP, then try by substantiating by providing peer reviewed clinical study showing that going on a "detox or cleanse" actually supports it's claims. You aren't going to convince me or others who are well versed in how body physiology actually works.
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You are safe in saying "And if there are no inherent health problems with an individual, then yes the system should work efficiently at 100%." But who's to say that OP is experiencing that kind of health? If she were participating in the thread, it would be easier answer HER question from our own perspectives and experiences.
So you are an knowledgeable on the topic of cleanses/detoxification? You are the person for me to ask this, as you understand that the body does have those processes. Do you think those processes can be interruped/not run efficiently?
Can they be interrupted? I'm sure if someone tried to swallow a softball it could. Or if you ate a bag of prunes the results would be pretty awful, but again that's in response to diarrhea effect due the natural laxative in them.
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What about the lymph system? What is it's function? Does it always operate perfectly?0 -
So you are always operating at 100% efficiency, or else you have a disease and need to see a dr?
So your body always works at 100% efficiency and always does this job perfectly?
Why doesn't your body need to detox or cleanse?There's no need to detox or cleanse your system and you also do not need to give your organs "a break".
Please see here:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1159755-looking-for-a-detox-cleanse
I'm not saying this to dodge your question, but please read the above link. There really is no need to cleanse, your body is designed to do this for you.
As long as you don't have some kind of physical reason preventing this (like gallbladder disease, for example) then, yeah.0 -
No cleanses "actually work". Sorry.0
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Actually I think defining 'cleanse' could be helpful...I think we do tend to worry when we hear that word, and think 'don't go buying anything', but to me, I always thought of a cleanse as drinking more water, avoiding junk food, and banning all 'unhealthy' foods (so for me, chocolate, crisps, coke) for a bit. I view this as a cleanse because I am no way giving up chocolate forever! Just like to test myself. I don't really see it as helping my liver etc (I guess it could? I am no biologist so no idea of all health benefits) , but it does help me psychologically if that makes sense - maybe a placebo effect, but cutting out junk for a wee while always makes me sleep better! Of course life long healthy eating habits are best, but a 'cleanse' does not always need to mean buying a load of juices or powders.0
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Taco Bell cleanse.
Things move pretty smoothly after a night of Taco Bell with fire sauce.
Also, I came in here to ask questions that are inconceivable and reply with nothing of content.0 -
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A pizza cleanse would be amazeballs0
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Colonoscopy prep. That'll clean you right the hell out.0
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What kinda cleanse are you talking about? If you're constipated, adequate fiber, water, and fat intake will do. If you're feeling sluggish, I recommend more sleep and exercise. If you have a cold, get some rest and maybe have some hot tea with lemon for vitamin C; but a cold won't kill you so don't worry. If overall you just feel like you need a change in your diet, then simply replace the foods you feel like you shouldn't be eating with foods you feel like you should be eating more of.
If you're just looking for fad "cleanses"--something to "detoxify" the body of some unexplained "toxins" buildup--then I recommend making a homemade fresh fruit or green smoothie to accompany your usual daily breakfast; drink that religiously every single morning. Drinking this won't harm you in any way but it will be beneficial since fruits and vegetables have lots of good micronutrients for the body, especially if you don't usually eat enough fruits and vegetables every day. I think this smoothie is a great substitute for other fad cleanses out there because some of the others don't really have much nutritional value at all.... Hope I helped.
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Soap and water. That's funny, Smile But seriously I've learned something today.0
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It's the same reason why studies show women shouldn't douche.....the body takes care of itself. Doing a vag cleanse, aka douche, just messes with the natural flora there. Companies who sell douches promote their use but they do more harm than good.
And like IBS or some other kind of intestinal dysfunction, you should go see your doctor for treatment if something is amiss instead of relying on untested methods.0 -
I haven't mentioned anything about the body "cleansing" itself. I gave you the straight up answer of "waste excrement". And stand by my statement that there is no "detoxing or cleansing" on the body going on.So "we don't need to cleanse, the body cleanses itself" and yet, you say, "there is no detoxifying or cleansing going on in the body?"
In layman's terms, it's the circulatory system of the body.What about the lymph system?
To circulate fluids throughout the body.What is it's function?
Not if someone is suffering from a disease like lymphoma or disorders like lymphedema. Where does this have to do with "detoxing or cleansing"?Does it always operate perfectly?
You're looking to argue about "detoxing or cleansing". So please enlighten me on what your definitions of these two words are when relating to physiology. And how the body systematically goes about "detoxing and cleansing".
I can't seem to answer whatever understanding you have of how physiology works.
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What is "waste excrement?" Do you think the body only expels waste from the colon? When you hear the word "cleanse" do you only think of colon cleansing?
I haven't mentioned anything about the body "cleansing" itself. I gave you the straight up answer of "waste excrement". And stand by my statement that there is no "detoxing or cleansing" on the body going on.So "we don't need to cleanse, the body cleanses itself" and yet, you say, "there is no detoxifying or cleansing going on in the body?"
In layman's terms, it's the circulatory system of the body.What about the lymph system?
To circulate fluids throughout the body.What is it's function?
Not if someone is suffering from a disease like lymphoma or disorders like lymphedema. Where does this have to do with "detoxing or cleansing"?Does it always operate perfectly?
You're looking to argue about "detoxing or cleansing". So please enlighten me on what your definitions of these two words are when relating to physiology. And how the body systematically goes about "detoxing and cleansing".
I can't seem to answer whatever understanding you have of how physiology works.
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Don't the body's cells rid themselves of waste? Where does the waste go?
What is the main function of the lymph system?
If a system is not working perfectly, does that mean it is diseased?
I have sought to understand what a person is meaning when they say detox or cleanse.0 -
In, to watch people try to prove a negative.
I know of one effective *cleanse*: chelation, but I wouldn't trust anyone trying to sell it to you on the internet!0 -
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I'll make it easy for you then:I don't think the term cleanse has been defined here yet. I definitely don't blame you for not doing the "cleanses" your listed (I wouldn't want to do them, either!) I hope you find a solution for the UC (I'm not familiar with that)!
Cleanse in cleaning the bathroom usually entails using an industrial cleaner to remove things like soap scum, mold, and bacteria.
Cleanse in the diet and fitness world usually entails the ingestion of pricey products to consumers so they can feel better about themselves and drop a few pounds of water weight in a few days.
Hope that clears it up a little, so that strawman arguments don't continue.
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And the truly inquiring minds want to know if you hire out? (Not for this body-cleanse nonsense, but for the tile/grout cleansing in my biffy...) :laugh:0 -
Feces.
What is "waste excrement?"
I haven't mentioned anything about the body "cleansing" itself. I gave you the straight up answer of "waste excrement". And stand by my statement that there is no "detoxing or cleansing" on the body going on.So "we don't need to cleanse, the body cleanses itself" and yet, you say, "there is no detoxifying or cleansing going on in the body?"
In layman's terms, it's the circulatory system of the body.What about the lymph system?
To circulate fluids throughout the body.What is it's function?
Not if someone is suffering from a disease like lymphoma or disorders like lymphedema. Where does this have to do with "detoxing or cleansing"?Does it always operate perfectly?
You're looking to argue about "detoxing or cleansing". So please enlighten me on what your definitions of these two words are when relating to physiology. And how the body systematically goes about "detoxing and cleansing".
I can't seem to answer whatever understanding you have of how physiology works.
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No because people also urinate.Do you think the body only expels waste from the colon?
Nope. I think of how people are duped into believing that "cleansing" removes toxins from the body.When you hear the word "cleanse" do you only think of colon cleansing?
Krebs cycle.Don't the body's cells rid themselves of waste?
Filtered through liver and/or kidneys.Where does the waste go?
CirculationWhat is the main function of the lymph system?
Not necessarily. There are disorders and deficiencies that can impede efficiency.If a system is not working perfectly, does that mean it is diseased?
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