Skinny Bi**h Book

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  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    The ignorance in your reply is overwhelming. Studies have shown time and time again that the consumption of meat has been linked to heart disease, obesity, and even cancer. Healthier and cruelty-free proteins can be found at every supermarket and restaurant now (soy, quinoa, buckwheat, legumes, nuts, rice and beans, seitan, etc.) So maybe "depriving your body of the best protein out there" is actually better than depriving it of healthy and moral sources of protein and amino acids. :)

    cruelty free proteins?

    rice isn't a protein. neither is buckwheat. It may contain protein- but it's a pale alternative to eating actual meat.

    Humans are omnivores- we were built to eat meat. Some people have issues with it- morally and that's fine- but there is absolutely no hard proof that we make ourselves sick eating meat. If we were supposed to be herbivores- we'd have a completely different set up for processing foods... you know- like teeth- that look like bovine or equine teeth- not something that resembles a mix of canine and equine.

    OMNIVORE.

    Not herbivore.

    Evolution trumps your bias "studies"

    and I'd rather die of dancer than life in a meatless world. Seriously- steak is delicious. The cow is dead- it doesn't care. Neither does my bacon.
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  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member
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  • dbmata
    dbmata Posts: 12,950 Member
    People, people.

    Join me in making cruelty free meat. Duck season starts soon. Just need a shotgun.
  • techgal128
    techgal128 Posts: 719 Member
    I feel like I'm the only vegetarian here that doesn't preach to other people about not eating meat. It's your choice and I just want to slap the people who try to make you feel guilty about it. For pete's sake you guys. You're just reinforcing the stereotype that vegetarians are pompous a**holes. If people are going to eat meat, I do recommend getting it from known good sources. It's better for the animals and from what I've heard, it tastes better too (I can vouch for the eggs at least).
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  • taunto
    taunto Posts: 6,420 Member
    Hi Everyone!

    Hello OP!
    I read the Book Skinny ***** by two models Rory and Kim.
    Has anyone else read this book?

    No I have not but I think its awesome that you have started to educate yourself about fitness. Always a positive thing in my opinion.
    I am curious to get everyones opinon on the information in the book!
    They explain in graphic detail how badly mistreated animals are and that to loose weight means you need to be healthy. Healthy= Skinny. They say to go vegetarian and always start your day off with fruits.

    well, like I said I have never read the book. However, to me personally Healthy is NOT equal to skinny. Both have kind of a "to each their own" kinda definition. Sumo wrestlers are far from skinny yet they are considered one of the healthiest folks on the planet. You can look to many of your fellow MFP'ers who are the definition of healthy. To name a few, MireyGal76, Sarauk2sf, fivethreeone, yoovie, the list goes on and on. Skinny, and this is just a personal opinion of mine, means that you just wanna be thin. Wheres the fun in that? Anorexic and bullemic girls are skinny. Due to graphic pictures I won't link the pics here but you can easily google image them and tell me if you think thats healthy.

    Starting off your day with fruit is awesome I think. I personally do like that! As for the "animals being mistreated" thing, sure, there are places where animals aren't treated nicely. Unfortunately that place includes the "shelter" homes of PETA where a mojority of the animals brought in are killed. I don't really want to get into a heated debate about animal cruelty though. I know animal cruelty exists, I know human cruelty exists too. I do what I can. If you think that you should become vegetarian due to ethical and moral reasons, thats a cause I think we can all get behind and we will support you.

    However, saying that you wanna become vegetarian for health reasons, then sorry, no. Animals products bring too much to the table. You can easily get your protein with them. Milk is one of the most versatile and important food products available to us. There are just too many benefits of consuming animal products. So don't go vegetarian due to health reasons, you're better off eating eggs and milk :)
    I like the book but should i really stop eating meat & dairy?
    Opinions?

    Thank You!!! : )

    No, I don't think you should. Feel free to reply and I will see if I can link some good articles and information for you :)

    Good luck in your adventures.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    The ignorance in your reply is overwhelming. Studies have shown time and time again that the consumption of meat has been linked to heart disease, obesity, and even cancer. Healthier and cruelty-free proteins can be found at every supermarket and restaurant now (soy, quinoa, buckwheat, legumes, nuts, rice and beans, seitan, etc.) So maybe "depriving your body of the best protein out there" is actually better than depriving it of healthy and moral sources of protein and amino acids. :)

    http://authoritynutrition.com/7-evidence-based-health-reasons-to-eat-meat/

    Decent list - although a bit of a stretch for some of the points to be reasons to eat meat as many are really why you should not worry about doing it.

    And to the first poster, and has already been asked - please could you direct us to peer reviewed evidence that links eating meat to being a cause (not correlation with) of all these diseases.
  • vintagelovesongss
    vintagelovesongss Posts: 15 Member
    I don't understand how someone who identifies as a peta-advocate and vegetarian can aid and encourage the slaughter of another living being. "Pain-free", or otherwise, you are still killing another living creature for human purposes, inflicting death of an animal. Peta's motto states, " Animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, use for entertainment, or abuse in any way." I believe that you helping "process" these animals blatantly contradicts PETA's motto.
  • vintagelovesongss
    vintagelovesongss Posts: 15 Member
    Haha! No, I have not visited every single farm in the country, but I believe that farming is cruel overall. Even if the animal has a "free-range" life ( again, a common misconception: http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/free-range-organic-meat-eggs-dairy/ ) the final destination for the animal, is almost always slaughter by man. I cannot comprehend how that is considered "humane".

    As for the sources, I am glad that you have an open-mind, to at least read about the health benefits of going meat-free.

    *Below I have listed just a few sources, I recommend using your databases though, if you are weary of incorrect/ false information

    http://www.heimat-fuer-tiere.de/english/articles/med/meat_makes_you_sick.shtml

    http://harvardmagazine.com/2012/01/a-diabetes-link-to-meat

    http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk

    and a quick little read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/vegetarians-slimmer-meat-eaters-weight_n_4039441.html

    humane meat? : http://www.peta.org/blog/pig-farmer-no-humane-meat/
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    OP: you have mentioned in your other threads that you have an ED, BDD and are underweight.

    You absolutely should not be reading books like Skinny B!tch.

    You need to stop looking into these types of 'diets' and reading these books/articles and seek professional help.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Haha! No, I have not visited every single farm in the country, but I believe that farming is cruel overall. Even if the animal has a "free-range" life ( again, a common misconception: http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/free-range-organic-meat-eggs-dairy/ ) the final destination for the animal, is almost always slaughter by man. I cannot comprehend how that is considered "humane".

    As for the sources, I am glad that you have an open-mind, to at least read about the health benefits of going meat-free.

    *Below I have listed just a few sources, I recommend using your databases though, if you are weary of incorrect/ false information

    http://www.heimat-fuer-tiere.de/english/articles/med/meat_makes_you_sick.shtml

    http://harvardmagazine.com/2012/01/a-diabetes-link-to-meat

    http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk

    and a quick little read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/vegetarians-slimmer-meat-eaters-weight_n_4039441.html

    humane meat? : http://www.peta.org/blog/pig-farmer-no-humane-meat/

    Stop making this about your personal opinions and ethics. Be more aware of the OPs situation please.

    Also, they are NOT links that show a causation, Harvard is known for it's bias against animal based foods and the first article is littered with assumptions.
  • vintagelovesongss
    vintagelovesongss Posts: 15 Member
    Please read to inform yourself: http://greatist.com/health/complete-vegetarian-proteins

    Regarding the teeth argument: http://theveganapproach.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/human-anatomy-teeth.png
  • vintagelovesongss
    vintagelovesongss Posts: 15 Member
    Did you read the other sources then, besides the Harvard backed ones?
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Did you read the other sources then, besides the Harvard backed ones?

    I wrote'they'...so yes.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Please read to inform yourself: http://greatist.com/health/complete-vegetarian-proteins

    Regarding the teeth argument: http://theveganapproach.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/human-anatomy-teeth.png

    Did you read my post suggesting that you stop focusing on your agenda?

    That first article i misleading - those food items are not complete proteins - the way it is written implies they are.
  • vintagelovesongss
    vintagelovesongss Posts: 15 Member
    How is your "agenda" any different than mine? We both have an opinion, and I have come up with sources to try and show you how I see the problem. However all you have managed to do was ridicule me and my opinion, not trying to show your point of view.
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    So far your sources are opinion pieces and you have not addressed Sara's question.

    The teeth image you chose to post is ludicrous, we are, as a species biologically omnivorous. That you and others have selected a restrictive diet for ethical reasons is great - in general it is easier to get a complete nutrition without food-type restrictions - unless you can recognize those simple facts your are arguing from a place of delusion. There is nothing wrong with a vegetarian or vegan eating - although both require more planning and organization in a world that is decidedly more oriented towards a non-restricting audience.

    With regards to the OP - her dietary concerns are such that it might lead down a path that will be unhealthy - please modulate your discussion here to respect that. If you are against "abuse" consider what telling an ED sensitive person to further restrict can cause.
  • lamps1303
    lamps1303 Posts: 432 Member
    IMO being healthy is eating anything in moderation to meet your calorie and macro goals. You should never remove a food group from your 'diet' as it increases the risk of relapse.

    No one should tell you to not eat meat or dairy. Fair enough if you're vegetarian or vegan, you would find other appropriate sources of protein, fat and calcium. If you're really concerned about the treatment of animals you can source sustainable, organic, free-range items.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    How is your "agenda" any different than mine? We both have an opinion, and I have come up with sources to try and show you how I see the problem. However all you have managed to do was ridicule me and my opinion, not trying to show your point of view.

    I have not tried to do that in the slightest. I have no agenda other than trying to ensure people do not post misinformation and also try to do what is best for the op.

    As I have continued to point out, which you have chosen to ignore and make this about you, please take a look at the OPs posting history and then decide if you really want to be so myopic and continue to push your personal agenda that is based on ethical objections.

    If you do, then fine, but I would suggest that your 'ethics' are effed up.
  • vintagelovesongss
    vintagelovesongss Posts: 15 Member
    I disagree about humans being biologically omnivorous, but agree to disagree. However, I did not tell the OP to ever restrict further, but rather gave my opinion, like the dozens of other members. Why would eating a meat-free diet cause an ED sensitive person to relapse?
  • Velum_cado
    Velum_cado Posts: 1,608 Member
    LOL
  • lamps1303
    lamps1303 Posts: 432 Member
    The ignorance in your reply is overwhelming. Studies have shown time and time again that the consumption of meat has been linked to heart disease, obesity, and even cancer. Healthier and cruelty-free proteins can be found at every supermarket and restaurant now (soy, quinoa, buckwheat, legumes, nuts, rice and beans, seitan, etc.) So maybe "depriving your body of the best protein out there" is actually better than depriving it of healthy and moral sources of protein and amino acids. :)

    Are you actually serious?! You're saying that anyone who isn't vegetarian/vegan is at increased risk of disease? over consumption of anything isn't good. Moderate consumption of everything is fine. Stop trying to bash people who choose to eat meat!
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I disagree about humans being biologically omnivorous, but agree to disagree. However, I did not tell the OP to ever restrict further, but rather gave my opinion, like the dozens of other members. Why would eating a meat-free diet cause an ED sensitive person to relapse?


    Good lawd, you really do not get it. You broached your posts as facts and not opinion. Basically, your posts you have told the OP to restrict further. How can you not see that.?

    Also, who cares if we are or not - we can eat meat. Simple as that.
  • Velum_cado
    Velum_cado Posts: 1,608 Member
    Hey babe! :) I became vegetarian 6 years ago after watching and reading about the various cruelties that animals are subjected to...just for our tastebuds. After I gave up eating meat and eggs, I lost 25 pounds, my body felt cleaner, and I felt better about myself knowing that I do not support the slaughter of those poor animals. Many people believe that animals are treated well at these "family farms", but it's a sad misconception, if you don't take my word, I suggest you watch the documentary "Meet Your Meat" on YouTube. I know it's really hard to watch, but it's essential, ignorance is not always bliss! It's awesome that you are even considering becoming vegetarian, and I hope you'll make the best choice for your health and the animals. :)

    No, sorry. My husband worked on several family run farms and the animals were treated very well. Common sense alone should tell you that most animals aren't mistreated on farms. I mean, at the end of the day, those animals are their product. Mistreating the product could affect the quality of the meat, and therefore result in lower profits.

    You're sharing alarmist propaganda that doesn't reflect what really happens in most cases.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    OP: you have mentioned in your other threads that you have an ED, BDD and are underweight.

    You absolutely should not be reading books like Skinny B!tch.

    You need to stop looking into these types of 'diets' and reading these books/articles and seek professional help.


    I am going to be tacky and quote myself as this is important and may get lost in the flag waving.
  • vintagelovesongss
    vintagelovesongss Posts: 15 Member
    I never TOLD the OP to restrict further, I do not understand how she cannot just substitute her meat calories and nutrients for meat alternatives. Yes I give my opinion, and yes I know that many will not like it, but I also provided reputable sources based on FACTS along with my personal views and opinions. Overall, like you said, you choose to eat animals and I choose not to eat animals.
  • vintagelovesongss
    vintagelovesongss Posts: 15 Member
    I've never heard of anyone getting diabetes by eating too many raw vegetables...
  • vintagelovesongss
    vintagelovesongss Posts: 15 Member
    LOL, at the end of the day, they are still slaughtering the poor things!

    http://www.mercyforanimals.org/investigations.aspx
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I've never heard of anyone getting diabetes by eating too many raw vegetables...

    What on earth are you even on about now?

    However, in that topic - look up calcium oxalate.

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