Skinny Bi**h Book

JoRocka

BAW HA HA HA HA Dancer- works in the red light district- maybe she and Dasher will get it on over with hookers and blow. Someone should write a full length story.

And yes- Venison- it's delicious.

I disagree about humans being biologically omnivorous, but agree to disagree. However, I did not tell the OP to ever restrict further, but rather gave my opinion, like the dozens of other members. Why would eating a meat-free diet cause an ED sensitive person to relapse?

I can't. I just seriously can't.

YOU ARE WRONG. Science says so- you are willfully neglecting plain hard facts. You can "agree to disagree" but what you really just said was
" I read what you wrote and I refuse to believe that 2 + 2 really actually equals 4. I think it equals 3... but we can just agree to disagree"
NO. JUST NO.

I'm not agreeing with you.

YOU ARE WRONG.
2 + 2 IS 4
and humans are omnivores.

They have the power of free will to chose to NOT be as such and CHOSE to be veggie or vegan only. But that is a personal choice and has absolutely buptkiss to do with how we are actually built and designed.

(and that to say- I do not care one lickiety split what someone chooses to do for moral or ethical reasons- but that choice does not change the fact we were built to consume meat products- I just don't care a rats a&& if you do or do not)

You can do what ever you want- and have your own opinions about eating meat- but please stop with the trying to go around science. it's just not pretty and it's bad for everyone.

judyde

The book suggests donating blood to lose weight. LOL

Krizzle4Rizzle

No. No. No. No.

_Emma_Problema_

You know, I don't think she really went about it in the right way, but the girl talking about how vegetarian diets are healthier is in fact correct. I'm a public health student at an Ivy League university and was taught this information. I sound like a total a$$hat for saying that but I feel like I need some credibility.

I also found this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121650/ simply by googling. If you think a professor of public health at an Ivy is wrong, want to disagree with the NIH?

Meat consumption is linked to increased risk of cancer, heart disease, and metabolic syndrome- basically all chronic diseases.

Also there is no ethical argument to support meat consumption. Just because our bodies can do it does not make it ethical. Just because it happens in nature does not make it ethical. *TW* Rape occurs in nature among other animals, but I sincerely doubt you'll find a sane person who thinks rape is ethical.

That all being said, I'm an omnivore. I like burgers. I need more protein. I know it's not ethical and increases my risk for chronic disease but I do it anyway. I'm too lazy to do it and I like my meat foods too much.

There's nothing wrong with being an omnivore, but even if I don't want to go veg or vegan, I accept that I would be a more ethical and perhaps healthier person if I did.

Smpo1979

'Skinny Bi*ch' doesn't sound like something to aspire to be.

I'd read a book called 'Healthy, Decent Human Being'.

6ftamazon

Doesn't the book say something about enjoying the feeling of hunger? I vaguely remember reading that the headaches and nausea caused by not eating was "your body detoxifying". Yeah, that doesn't seem like a good, healthy, sustainable lifestyle.

_Clarana_

Do what works for you. If you agree with their points and try what they recommend, and it works for you, go for it. I personally quite liked the book and fit their recommendations into my life in a way, but more for weight reasons than ethical ones, and I do what works for me, eg. I don't have fruit for breakfast. I do find that all raw food doesn't cause cravings and is more satifying.

dbmata

*TW* Rape occurs in nature among other animals, but I sincerely doubt you'll find a sane person who thinks rape is ethical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

Seriously? You're touting Ivy league? pfffft. Back to the studies for you.

Total meat consumption was not significantly associated with colorectal cancer risk.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.10126/full

That's from the IJC, There are more, this was just the first I found. What you're missing is that your statement is wholly predicated on OVER consumption (which brings in other confounding variables) where you are assuming that research shows ANY consumption is an indicator of increased risk. That's simply not supported by the articles I've read.

Go forth and pubmed.

dbmata

I disagree about humans being biologically omnivorous, but agree to disagree. However, I did not tell the OP to ever restrict further, but rather gave my opinion, like the dozens of other members. Why would eating a meat-free diet cause an ED sensitive person to relapse?

While I have zero problems with someone choosing to follow a veg*n diet or lifestyle, I simply cannot see where someone could reach the bolded conclusion above based on the readily-available information. It suggests that you have not actually looked into the topic, or if you have, that you were very selective in the information you reviewed.

TL;DR - Your arguments will be far more persuasive if you do not dismiss what is known to be true.

It's the equivalent to the flat earth, anti-evolution movement gripping almost half of the US. It's rather sad and scary.

ValGogo

The title alone would make me keep walking to a better book, probably in the workout section.

Skinny B*tch, indeed.

ValGogo

Was it in the comedy section?

Chuckles

eric_sg61

You know, I don't think she really went about it in the right way, but the girl talking about how vegetarian diets are healthier is in fact correct. I'm a public health student at an Ivy League university and was taught this information. I sound like a total a$$hat for saying that but I feel like I need some credibility.

I also found this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121650/ simply by googling. If you think a professor of public health at an Ivy is wrong, want to disagree with the NIH?

Meat consumption is linked to increased risk of cancer, heart disease, and metabolic syndrome- basically all chronic diseases.

Also there is no ethical argument to support meat consumption. Just because our bodies can do it does not make it ethical. Just because it happens in nature does not make it ethical. *TW* Rape occurs in nature among other animals, but I sincerely doubt you'll find a sane person who thinks rape is ethical.

That all being said, I'm an omnivore. I like burgers. I need more protein. I know it's not ethical and increases my risk for chronic disease but I do it anyway. I'm too lazy to do it and I like my meat foods too much.

There's nothing wrong with being an omnivore, but even if I don't want to go veg or vegan, I accept that I would be a more ethical and perhaps healthier person if I did.

From the study you linked

"In interpreting the findings from studies of meat intake and cancer, it should be noted that individuals who consume a diet high in red and processed meat typically also consume large amounts of foods such as butter, potatoes, refined grains, and high-fat dairy, all components of a westernized diet [60]. Thus red and processed meat intake might not be solely responsible for higher cancer risk. Additionally, meat intake is usually correlated with higher energy intakes [61,62] and obesity [63], so residual confounding may be present. Research aimed at understanding how foods and nutrients interact to promote or prevent carcinogenesis may provide a better understanding of potential etiological pathways and may explain some of the heterogeneity of published results."

None of the blue zone populations, which are the healthiest and longest living populations in the world, follow a strictly vegetarian or vegan diet.

ValGogo

Hey babe! I became vegetarian 6 years ago after watching and reading about the various cruelties that animals are subjected to...just for our tastebuds. After I gave up eating meat and eggs, I lost 25 pounds, my body felt cleaner, and I felt better about myself knowing that I do not support the slaughter of those poor animals. Many people believe that animals are treated well at these "family farms", but it's a sad misconception, if you don't take my word, I suggest you watch the documentary "Meet Your Meat" on YouTube. I know it's really hard to watch, but it's essential, ignorance is not always bliss! It's awesome that you are even considering becoming vegetarian, and I hope you'll make the best choice for your health and the animals.

. So please don't group every family farm in there.

Word. These people don't have a choice. Either raise these chickens or grow this corn/soy, or lose your livelihood by being blacklisted.

I'm all for treating animals fairly but I'm not about business bullying the American farmer.

ValGogo

The ignorance in your reply is overwhelming. Studies have shown time and time again that the consumption of meat has been linked to heart disease, obesity, and even cancer. Healthier and cruelty-free proteins can be found at every supermarket and restaurant now (soy, quinoa, buckwheat, legumes, nuts, rice and beans, seitan, etc.) So maybe "depriving your body of the best protein out there" is actually better than depriving it of healthy and moral sources of protein and amino acids.

:yawn:

ditto :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:

ebullock4

I've read the book too and found some of the information interesting.

I agree with the focus on veggies and fruit in the book. Many people lose sight of the importance of eating enough in a day.
But I will not agree with the idea of becoming a full vegetarian. Meat is such an important part to your diet.

I was a vegetarian for 3 years, and I'll never go back and here's why:
It's much more difficult to find a balance in your diet; regardless of what vegetarians say - they will all try and convince you that their diet is balanced and that they are very healthy because they plan their meals = false. I know a lot of vegetarians and most of them have busy lives and would resort to quick options that didn't have a balanced diet (eg. veggies and dip - where's the protein?).
My best friend was a vegetarian for 15 years. I met her in law school and she was tired 24/7. The school load was difficult and she couldn't find the time to make proper meals and always resorted to quick options - most of them were still considered "healthy", but just not balanced. I convinced her to try meat again and she will never go back.

I completely agree with the fact that the meat industry has awful ways of treating their animals; however, there are ways to get around that. Eg. purchase free-range eggs (chickens that aren't in cages); purchse meat from local farms (where you can see how they are raised) etc. It'll depend on where you live, but there are ways of feeling better about your meat purchases.

jofjltncb6

You know, I don't think she really went about it in the right way, but the girl talking about how vegetarian diets are healthier is in fact correct. I'm a public health student at an Ivy League university and was taught this information. I sound like a total a$$hat for saying that but I feel like I need some credibility.

I also found this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121650/ simply by googling. If you think a professor of public health at an Ivy is wrong, want to disagree with the NIH?

Meat consumption is linked to increased risk of cancer, heart disease, and metabolic syndrome- basically all chronic diseases.

Also there is no ethical argument to support meat consumption. Just because our bodies can do it does not make it ethical. Just because it happens in nature does not make it ethical. *TW* Rape occurs in nature among other animals, but I sincerely doubt you'll find a sane person who thinks rape is ethical.

That all being said, I'm an omnivore. I like burgers. I need more protein. I know it's not ethical and increases my risk for chronic disease but I do it anyway. I'm too lazy to do it and I like my meat foods too much.

There's nothing wrong with being an omnivore, but even if I don't want to go veg or vegan, I accept that I would be a more ethical and perhaps healthier person if I did.

From the study you linked

"In interpreting the findings from studies of meat intake and cancer, it should be noted that individuals who consume a diet high in red and processed meat typically also consume large amounts of foods such as butter, potatoes, refined grains, and high-fat dairy, all components of a westernized diet [60]. Thus red and processed meat intake might not be solely responsible for higher cancer risk. Additionally, meat intake is usually correlated with higher energy intakes [61,62] and obesity [63], so residual confounding may be present. Research aimed at understanding how foods and nutrients interact to promote or prevent carcinogenesis may provide a better understanding of potential etiological pathways and may explain some of the heterogeneity of published results."

None of the blue zone populations, which are the healthiest and longest living populations in the world, follow a strictly vegetarian or vegan diet.

TL;DR

Eating meat causes cancer. That's what ivy league educators are saying so you know it's true.

ValGogo

People, people.

Join me in making cruelty free meat. Duck season starts soon. Just need a shotgun.

ValGogo

Please read to inform yourself: http://greatist.com/health/complete-vegetarian-proteins

Regarding the teeth argument: http://theveganapproach.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/human-anatomy-teeth.png

Did you read my post suggesting that you stop focusing on your agenda?

That first article i misleading - those food items are not complete proteins - the way it is written implies they are.

Hey Sarauk, I know understand what you were posting about on home page. Lord have Mercy!

SnuggleSmacks

If you have ethical objections to the treatment of factory animals, there are things you can do that stop short of becoming vegan.

First, get involved and do something about it. Write your elected officials and demand legislation regarding animal cruelty in our food chain. Stop buying factory farmed meats and dairy...they're often full of antibiotics and hormones anyway.

Second, buy local, non-factory meats and dairy.

I know that in large cities, this could be more of an issue. I'm fortunate that I live in a fairly rural area. We have farms which let the public come and visit, and they sell meat, dairy and produce at the farm and in the local co-op and farmer's markets. You can see the animals and how they're treated, and how clean their environment is. These products also taste better. Grass fed beef tastes like a whole different animal, and has far more nutritional value. Fresh unrefrigerated eggs are amazingly creamy.

sparacka

I could, quite literally, watch this all day.

_Emma_Problema_

*TW* Rape occurs in nature among other animals, but I sincerely doubt you'll find a sane person who thinks rape is ethical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

Seriously? You're touting Ivy league? pfffft. Back to the studies for you.

Total meat consumption was not significantly associated with colorectal cancer risk.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.10126/full

That's from the IJC, There are more, this was just the first I found. What you're missing is that your statement is wholly predicated on OVER consumption (which brings in other confounding variables) where you are assuming that research shows ANY consumption is an indicator of increased risk. That's simply not supported by the articles I've read.

Go forth and pubmed.

Can't watch youtube at work. But I'm assuming you didn't really have anything interesting to say and were just mocking me.

As I said, I'm not touting. I did say that it makes me sound like a jacka$$ to talk about it. But I was using my professor as the source, not me. I haven't done any research on meat consumption and cancer.

I just did.

And note "meat consumption" not "eating meat at all"

Also a quote from the study I linked. "In recent meta-analyses of colorectal cancer that included studies published up to 2005 summary associations indicated that red meat intakes were associated with 28%–35% increased risks while processed meats were associated with elevated risks of 20%–49%."

Enjoy.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.ezproxy.cul.columbia.edu/pubmed/24842864

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.ezproxy.cul.columbia.edu/pubmed/24847855

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.ezproxy.cul.columbia.edu/pubmed/23563998

And while obesity may be a confounding factor when looking at general population studies, it's been found to be associated regardless of BMI.

SewSweets

Wow - are you all forum noobs? The OP never even came back to reply. "She" was just trolling and you all fell for it. Good grief.

_Emma_Problema_

TL;DR

Eating meat causes cancer. That's what ivy league educators are saying so you know it's true.

Increased risk.

But thanks for trying. I appreciate your attempt to summarize for me.

"I don't believe you because I don't want to" - Guy on the internet

You know it's true when random guys on the internet say things.

fangedneko

dbmata

Can't watch youtube at work. But I'm assuming you didn't really have anything interesting to say and were just mocking me.

Watch it at home then, it's quite relevant to your comment.

But I was using my professor as the source, not me. I haven't done any research on meat consumption and cancer.

Then cite them, not attendance at a bastion of inflated tuition. Having worked with people from Dartmouth, Cornell, Harvard, and a couple others. Only thing impressive has been the network they have.

And note "meat consumption" not "eating meat at all"

What you keep missing is something basic, and this is wholly inline with attendance at Ivy leagues. Consumption does not show causation. OVER consumption does. It's a tiny word, I know. 4 letters. However, it's an extremely important modifier.

No need to thank me, it's a public service I provide.

ValGogo

Wow - are you all forum noobs? The OP never even came back to reply. "She" was just trolling and you all fell for it. Good grief.

I've seen that troll before. The crazy face....I remember it.

sparacka

You know, I don't think she really went about it in the right way, but the girl talking about how vegetarian diets are healthier is in fact correct. I'm a public health student at an Ivy League university and was taught this information. I sound like a total a$$hat for saying that but I feel like I need some credibility.

I also found this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121650/ simply by googling. If you think a professor of public health at an Ivy is wrong, want to disagree with the NIH?

Meat consumption is linked to increased risk of cancer, heart disease, and metabolic syndrome- basically all chronic diseases.

Also there is no ethical argument to support meat consumption. Just because our bodies can do it does not make it ethical. Just because it happens in nature does not make it ethical. *TW* Rape occurs in nature among other animals, but I sincerely doubt you'll find a sane person who thinks rape is ethical.

That all being said, I'm an omnivore. I like burgers. I need more protein. I know it's not ethical and increases my risk for chronic disease but I do it anyway. I'm too lazy to do it and I like my meat foods too much.

There's nothing wrong with being an omnivore, but even if I don't want to go veg or vegan, I accept that I would be a more ethical and perhaps healthier person if I did.

From the study you linked

"In interpreting the findings from studies of meat intake and cancer, it should be noted that individuals who consume a diet high in red and processed meat typically also consume large amounts of foods such as butter, potatoes, refined grains, and high-fat dairy, all components of a westernized diet [60]. Thus red and processed meat intake might not be solely responsible for higher cancer risk. Additionally, meat intake is usually correlated with higher energy intakes [61,62] and obesity [63], so residual confounding may be present. Research aimed at understanding how foods and nutrients interact to promote or prevent carcinogenesis may provide a better understanding of potential etiological pathways and may explain some of the heterogeneity of published results."

None of the blue zone populations, which are the healthiest and longest living populations in the world, follow a strictly vegetarian or vegan diet.

Thank you for bringing some sanity to this loony bin.

Yakelmeyer

Consider a meat free, dairy free life as a philosophy or a lifestyle - you don't need it to lose weight and you don't necessarily lose weight on that type of diet. There are many fantastic health benefits if you choose to take that path and practice a balanced diet. Check out http://www.vegankit.com/ since it has some wonderful resources, information, and perspective.

_Emma_Problema_

Can't watch youtube at work. But I'm assuming you didn't really have anything interesting to say and were just mocking me.

Watch it at home then, it's quite relevant to your comment.

But I was using my professor as the source, not me. I haven't done any research on meat consumption and cancer.

Then cite them, not attendance at a bastion of inflated tuition. Having worked with people from Dartmouth, Cornell, Harvard, and a couple others. Only thing impressive has been the network they have.

And note "meat consumption" not "eating meat at all"

What you keep missing is something basic, and this is wholly inline with attendance at Ivy leagues. Consumption does not show causation. OVER consumption does. It's a tiny word, I know. 4 letters. However, it's an extremely important modifier.

No need to thank me, it's a public service I provide.

Yeah.... see, I'm bored at my internship and procrastinating on a project. I don't think I'll be watching it at home but thanks anyway.

I agree that Ivy does not equal intelligence. I know some really stupid people in my program. But teaching at an Ivy is different. Especially when it's one of the top schools in receiving funding from the NIH. The professor I'm lazily quoting has his specialty in oncogenetics and cancer research and has published for the National Academy of Science. Now, you can say what you will about academia not necessarily being based on intelligence either, but I think it hits a little closer to the mark.

Thanks for being so condescending. That's incredibly sweet of you. Thank you for that public service.

Here, let me teach you a new word too! It's called dose-response. It's often used to chart the effects of an exposure based on differing amounts. Now, meat consumption and colorectal cancer have been shown to have what's called a "linear dose-response", this means that any amount increases risk and the more you consume, the greater your risk.

This paper has a graph of it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3108955/

I know that pictures can be easier to understand than words.

RunningMyPugandPapi

I did the Skinny ***** diet a few years back, except I didn't exercise (like, at all) and I didn't give up alcohol or diet coke (which the book requires). I lost about 35 pounds in about 3 months - but I had also left a very toxic boyfriend around the same time, and the veganism helped me to stop binge eating (which I had been doing as an abuse coping mechanism). And I had packed on about 25 of those pounds very recently before going vegan (because of the binge eating).

So I think that it was the combination of all of those factors which led to the weight loss, not just the veganism. If I had just eaten generally healthy, I probably would have had similar results (one benefit is that veganism practically forces you to prepare your own meals, which was very helpful in keeping me out of the drive thrus (except Taco Bell, which can be made vegan-friendly, haha oops)). And while you probably have enough energy to do some mild aerobic exercising or yoga while vegan, I couldn't run distances (which I enjoy) or lift anything heavy without significantly more protein in my diet, and getting the amount of protein needed from only plants is just too much work. Your mileage may vary on that.

A huge benefit was that I realized that I was actually lactose intolerant, and not just suffering from that catch-all disease "IBS" - I had been experiencing pain and intestinal issues which had gotten pretty horrible and it went away completely, immediately.